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Israel in the circle of political absurdity

          

       So, after 77 years, when, in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181 of November 29, 1947, it was decided to create two states of Israel and Palestine in the British mandated territory of Palestine, Palestine finally received the status of a full member of the UN on May 10, 2024. To be honest, this resolution surprised me. The fact is that thanks to resolution No. 181, Israel automatically received membership in the UN, and of course this should have happened to Palestine as well. What was the point of re-involving the UN to re-admit Palestine to the UN? Absurd, nothing less!

       However, one absurdity gives rise to another, no less incredible absurdity. Israel, being a fierce opponent of Palestine's membership in the UN, draws the attention of the international community to the fact that UN resolutions are only advisory in nature and are not obligatory for their implementation. This explanation from Israel again caused bewilderment, because Israel received a mandate for a state and membership in the UN thanks to the resolution. This attitude towards UN resolutions completely nullifies the significance of this international organization.

        I must say the following circumstance is even more absurd. This refers to those 9 countries that are opponents of Palestine’s membership in the UN, motivating their negative attitude towards Palestine and the formation of the state of Palestine by the fact that first this issue should be resolved between Israel, which has the status of a state, and Palestine with an unequal status of autonomy. But, as you know, they have been solving this issue for 75 years to no avail through war, which, like any war, is accompanied by mass deaths of the civilian population. From the first day of the formation of the state, martial law was introduced in Israel, which has not been lifted to this day. True, during the time of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin there was an opportunity to agree on a peaceful solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, but everything ended with his murder, and, to be honest, this outrageous murder by an Israeli terrorist was perceived positively by the majority of Israeli citizens. (1) And Today, the Biden administration is sending the decision on the creation of the state of Palestine to Israel, which, unlike the Palestinians, I repeat, has the status of a state. You may say it's nonsense, but this is what is happening. Did they take into account the opinion of the Palestinians when they decided in 1947 to allocate part of the territory of Palestine to the state of Israel, which occupied the entire territory of former Palestine!

       America's mischief-making together with Israel created the absurdity of the situation regarding the creation of the state of Palestine, which had already been resolved back in 1947. (2) According to American President Biden, it is possible to end the confrontation between Jews and Palestinians by creating the state of Palestine, however, on the other hand, America is blocking this possibility by vetoing it in the Security Council. Once again, absurdity and a demonstration of the policy of double standards. (3) Such an immoral position of Biden does not paint America, which stands for justice and democracy.
       Israel's future is at peace with the Arabs, and there is no other option.(4)

1. On the question of who killed Rabin. Israel. Our country. 04.12.96.
2. The UN's fatal mistake. 05.12.2023. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/106403.html
3. An open letter to Mr. President Joseph Biden. 04/23/2024. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/109710.html
4. Peace and democracy are the future of Israel. Israel. Our country. 09.18.96.
      
         05/11/2024

Actually, the level of absurdity which and double standards goes pretty much beyond what we all have seen in these latest days of drama within the ONU and the offensive on Rahfa being carried out by Israel, disregarding the opinion and warnings of the United States as an ally.
Joe Biden, as the democrat president he is of course will try to push for the narrative of peace being possible in the middle east through the way of the creation of two separate states, one of the Jewish people and one of those who have Palestinian citizenship, however the problem goes beyond the creation of two states or the division of land.
it has been very clear that neither Palestine nor Israel seem to be willing to live in a peaceful convivence with their neighbors: Palestinian militias and armed groups (which are pretty much antisemitic) have already declared a prolonged war until the  State of Israel completely ceases to exist, on the other hand Israel (while posing as a democratic a peace loving entity) has been trying to slowly but steadily to take over as much land as possible from Palestine. It would seem both entities do not actually seek for peace, but the total destruction of their neighbor.
I am pretty sure Netanyahu must be crossing his fingers for Donald Trump to win the election this year, the Israeli government always seeks unconditional support from the white house and the fact Biden has shown a minimum of concern over the use of the American arsenal against the innocent is Gaza is unconceivable to him.

  Further events depend on who will become the future president of America, but for now the war will continue.

Unfortunately, the war against Hamas and the suffering of the Palestinian people will continue, regardless of the next president of the United States happen to be. See, the defense of Israel is one of the few bi-partisan topics which can be counted on when we talk about American politics. Both Republican and Democrats are unconditional supporters of the existence and defense of the State of Israel, the democrat just happen to be somewhat worried about the security and integrity of the innocent in the Palestinian side.
If Joe Biden gets elected he will eventually continue to send weapons and money to the IDF, perhaps less than they initially, but the flow of support won't stop. On the other hand, if Donald Trump becomes the next president of the USA, as a typical republican he is, he will completely disregard the life and well being of the Palestinian people and will continue to send as much money and weapons as possible to the IDF.
So the presidency of the USA and whoever is on the seat won't make much difference.
It would take a third party candidate to take over the presidency for something to actually to start happening in this war, and we all know that won't happen as the duopoly of politics continue in America...

Israel carried out a raid on the capital of Qatar, killing Palestinians responsible for negotiations to end the hostilities in Gaza and free the hostages. Now Israel will have no one to negotiate with, and the issue of freeing the hostages is once again postponed along with the issue of ending the war. Thus, Netanyahu is following his plan not to stop the war, and he does not care about the fate of the hostages. At the same time, in the international Talking Room, that is, the UN, the issue of recognizing the state of Palestine will be discussed once again, with the same negative final result, thanks to the veto of the country that is the bulwark of world democracy and justice.

so many mistakes so many clarifications needed
Isreal legally never raided qatar. israel never even entered territory of qatar to start a war. nor hit qatar
legally and intentionally israel hit hamas diplomatic sovereign territory. qatar have no jurisdiction over the land which the compound sits on. it held a hamas embassy thus not qatar land. qatars hands are tied as to what it can or cannot do on that land.
(learn about embassy sovereign territory, learn about diplomatic immunity and jurisdictional control of such sites)

they were not innocent palestinians they were all part of the hamas envoy. a group of jihadi arabs governing gaza but not to help palestinians, but instead to use palestinians to further a jihadi agenda sponsored by the tehran regime. the hamas negotiators had already declined any offers or suggestions made from israeli/us/qatar negotiators before the strikes hit

negotiations failed before the strike. and im sure hamas will find someone else to talk with the international groups once things get more worrying for hamas. infact once hamas are removed, an ACTUAL peaceful palestinian civilian political party will come to the negotiation table to be recognised as the temporary replacement government until elections are held.

once hamas are gone peacedeals can be met with a replacement political party wishing to govern gaza(aka philistinia aka proposed palestine) from a non military peaceful political group. where the rebuilding and peace can begin

as for the hostages. the less 'proof of life' and less willing hamas are to release the hostages, the less power hamas has left to barter with

allowing hamas to continue governing and continue practicing their military actions is not a path to peace nor recognition of gaza as palestine. removing and replacing hamas is the path to peace

"legally"
This is the word used by monsters to justify their absence of soul.

You are a fucking bastard killing children, organizing starvations, stealings lands for decades.

"Oh but legally..."
"legally..."
"legally Jesus Christ was guilty, it was ok to torture him to death"

You are a fucking bastard.

We do not need any "legally" to understand that.

Now you can cry for moderators.

aww poor lil guy above has no clue..

israel struck the intended building/compound they aimed at. they were not monsters random firing random qatari land. they were not monsters trying to take out random civilians

now compare that to hamas tactics when they fire/strike ..

compare israels attempts to send aid in to distribute for free.
 vs
 hamas tactics to ambush such aid, feed their troops first and then sell left overs at inflated markets

You are right, I have no clue, I have facts.


Yes this is it.
You support a genocide because you are smarter than me.
And you do not fall into the powerful palestinian lobby trap.


And it is ok for you because you are a piece of shit.
They are not ALL starving, some are just affraid, some are not kids, they are starving adults, some are just wounded but not starving, so it ok...
Some palestinian women have not been raped by israeli soldiers.
We should definitely continue to support Israel for this particular reason.


Yes let s go in the detail, this is very interesting to know exactly why are you a bastard.
Because you are happy to see palestinian children dying of disease or because of starvation, this is a great subject.
It is like an israeli soldier raping your mother in front of you and you asking, this is not exactly a rape because he did not put anything in her hole, he just hit her and burnt her nipples.

Just a second. So much crazy things here.

1 - Why would they need to send some aid in Gaza ? Because they are bombing, because they do not allow aid from anyone else ? Send back Palestine to palestinians and you won't have to "send aid" to anybody.
2 - Israeli soldiers shoot people who want to get food or water.
3 - Israei soldiers have admited t have destroyed tons of aid : https://www.aa.com.tr/fr/politique/gaza-les-soldats-isra%C3%A9liens-admettent-avoir-d%C3%A9truit-des-milliers-de-tonnes-daide-humanitaire/3642541
4 - Even israeli people are destroying aid and they are bragging on social media.
5 - Hamas ? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

So much deny of reality, just to continue to be "the people of Light".



"Humans animals", this was the term used by your brother Yoav Galant.
Yoav Galant is more honest than you.
Because you are a racist piee of shit but you do not admit. He is a racist piece of shit and he is ok with that.

You talk about maths.
Israël helped creating Hamas on the 80s.
Your brothers started to kill, toture and rape palestinians since the 40s.
Don't we have a problem ?

Israël does absolutley everything to have pretext to continue to kill and steal palestinians lands. They will continue to do so.
Everybody sees this, everybody knows this
And they do this by stealing money from the western countries, especially from USA.

What nonsense are you talking about! Firstly, why do you think that the building that was destroyed by an airstrike is the Hamas embassy? Secondly, no country would agree that foreign embassies can be blown up by anyone. Thirdly, the Israelis violated the airspace of another country, which in itself is a gross act, especially since the violation was by the military.

I can assume that either you have the mind of a child, or you are an Israeli citizen who supports the policy of genocide against the Palestinian people.

aww poor guy again taking hamas's atrocities and trying to apply them to israel
hamas want genocide.
hamas execute palestinians for trying to take hamas stored food(stolen by hamas initialy from aid trucks destined for the palestinians)
hamas cut of hands, legs and decapitate. they also rape and kill babies.
look how many hamas killed raped and slaughtered in just one day oct 7th 2023.. then look deeper into how they treat palestinians and hostages since

he cant even do math or use fact. he just runs on the fuel of emotion.. emotion triggered by misleading clickbait media.
poor guy when he wakes up to fact, data and statistic, he too will realise that he will need to cry about moderators of social media cutting away the facts to only leave the lies, deceit and propaganda.

when he realises that the hamas health ministry's own data about the amount of deaths do not reveal thousands of kids dying of starvation but instead at this moment under 130 since 2023(~130 out of hundreds of thousands).. where even the under 130 child deaths related to nutrition deficits are not majority due to lack of aid for months, but instead other co-comorbidities that required special attention, EG kids that just cant eat normal food even if piled up on the table because they have other medical issues of concern(birth defects and such like cystic fibrosis)
lets use a comparison of stats
UK births are 1.2m over 2 years... uk infant mortality rate is 4 per 1k birth meaning 4800
UK has 70m pop.. gaza has 2.. so lets divide all UK numbers by 35 to get like for like over view 4800 /35=137
so not much different compared to the uk health/food supply system
and as said the numbers of children in gaza was numbers supplied by hamas's own health minister

as for general population "starvation".. again israel are main country sending supplies in. you dont see jordon, lebanon or iran sending huge amounts to support their fellow arabs
but the population of gaza still remains over 2m.. if it were genocide via starvation. knowing soneone can die in months without food, they would all be dead by now. but their population remains above 2m..

when he realises its actually israel sending in the aid inside the gaza border, destined to be distributed for free to palestinians.. but hamas ambushing it on route, to feed the good stuff to troops/affiliates as salary/brines. and then sells the rest at inflated markets.. but then he finds out also that hamas are using lawfare themselves to not class it as theft under UN's reports.. even though the aid 'transfered to recognised government' in many cases reaches the destination food aid distribution sites due to ambushes(oops i mean transfers). he will rightfully call out their "lawfare" abuses

when he realises the ~70k war related death over last couple years are not only of 'women and children of innocent palestinians'.. but a mass co-mingling of hamas troops their families, hamas leaders their families, affiliates their families, co-conspirators their families and others coerced, bribed, held hostage to stay around hamas strongholds to be used as martyrs, pawns and human shields in majority of that number.. he might realise the crappy tactics of hamas to cause unneeded death 'of women and children'..

then when he runs said numbers and realise the proportionality of intended vs collateral, is actually seen in the numbers that israel done all it can to minimise collateral casualties compared to other urban warfare wars. he might wake up. and yep again the war related deaths of 70k currently are again hamas's health ministry stats.. even hamas admit the numbers they produce are co-mingled with troops and operational personnel and their families, so the number of true, uninvolved innocents is a low number mixed in with those wrapped up as intended targets
when you work out how many troops and affiliates of military significance kill you will see the left over amount of 'others'(innocents) being a low proportional number

israel send warnings when hamas take over a new residential area for their military operations, israel warn the innocent population to disperse and evacuate, israel create safe zones and declare the area now occupied by hamas as a target zone. after giving time for innocents to evacuate.. but do hamas tell population to evacuate when hamas decide they like to use residential/urban areas as their military operation centres

No they did not do that. Even if your "Israël" created Hamas for that purpose. Hamas was supposed to help Israël to provide easy casus belli.
They had to invent this story of 40 babies decapitated that was a hoax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

You did absolutely everything you could to destroy palestinians souls but you failed.
You destroyed your souls, you are done, I cannot do anything for you.

hamas themselves admit to executing palestininans 'looting' from hamas aid storage
hamas themselves admit to 'taking control' of aid trucks

as for the children
do better research.. the wiki you linked as your source.. tries to use a haaretz media(propaganda) as source, which used snippets from "le monde" media story to suggest there were no dead babies.. but le monde admit to this though:

and then later

so even le monde initially began the denial propaganda by not taking testimonials or ignoring them..pretending such things like soldiers and rescuers witness accounts were unreliable by saying the rescuers could have had glassy eyes or not expert to have not seen what they seen due to exhaustion or confusion. to then come to opinions based on LACK of information to deny the atrocities.. which hareetz used the initial lack of info as bases to deny atrocities occurred.

but then even le monde got confirmation from actual medical examiners that there were dead kids dismembered('without heads')..
then more pro-hamas propaganda pushed the 'unable to identify if dismemberments were due to assailants hands or explosives' to pretend yet again there were no dismembered kids(facepalm)

later turns out through investigations that some homes of victims were not hit by explosives..  so that disproves the notion that the kids dismembered were just results of explosives. (scene of a complete undamaged cot, in undamaged room, but cot covered in blood)
other investigations of a pregnant woman with her abdomen opened were propagandised as an explosion victim, though media later visited the house(fully assembled) which contradicts the explosion narrative. the pro-hamas propaganda then tried to deny the woman even lived there by saying it was a neighbourhood only for elderly, though later facts found it was a large multi-generation home

[i only mention a couple examples of cases involving kids.. but the list goes on.. should you even care to find facts, you can try to seek the others. but im guessing your not interested in facts and just want to be pro-hamas]

So wouldn't it be better if Israel, instead of autonomy, granted the Palestinians statehood, withdrew its army from the territory that the UN provided for the Palestinians, just as the UN provided for the Jews, created an interstate border, and did not use cheap Arab labor, since they would be citizens of another state, and not forced laborers from an autonomous territory. Why does Israel control the territory that the UN designated for another state, which is called Palestine? For what reason? What is happening is called occupation and nothing else, and the conditions in which the people of Palestine live is called apartheid. And after this you want the Palestinians not to attack Israel!? Peace can only be achieved by ending the occupation and nothing else. However, Israel wants to expel the Palestinians from Palestine, offering them to leave Gaza, as Trump, who has lost his mind and decency, has suggested. The unwillingness to leave Palestinian territory and thereby bring peace to the situation created by Israel is the reason for the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who wanted to give the Palestinians their legitimate right to their own state.
 

the offer is already there. gaza has ancient provenance claim from the far back name of philistinia to which palestinians origins can be linked to.
israel already made suggestions for gaza to be a palestinian state.. even offers of compensations and funding the rebuild, create the municipal services and utilities for the palestinians to then use/manage/govern.. the condition however is not to be run by a jihadi terrorism group(hamas).
israel do not want to govern gaza, never have, never want to
israel has already said once hamas step back, invoke elections(all manner of methods) to then have a peaceful civilian palestinian political party. then they can have recognised statehood



you seem to be confused. the area of ancient 'kingdom of isreal' and 'kingdom of judea' (AKA 'from the ricer to the sea') has been a well settled matter of jews and isreali's uniting to combine those territories into being israel. the idea of "zionism" (pursuit of a homeland settlement for jews) has already been settled successfully along time ago. its already in place, the pursuit was over along time ago long before the modern word "palestine" was even a thing.

if you think the area of "from the river to the sea" (kingdoms of isreal/judea) are "palestine" ask yourself who is the president/prime minister of "palestine" of such area you believe the name equates to.. oh there is none. ok then its not recognised as palestine

yes there are times of history of different arab wars where the persian empire and ottoman empire tried to eradicate jews, hewbrews and israelites. but the isreali/jew homeland has known provenance and hereditary and long standing as the homeland of isrealis/jews, even money coins of history has symbology, languages that show their existence in the region even when arab empires occupied it

however 'palestinians' are not some big population of people with their own identity, symbology, flags and culture, thus history did not see them as significant enough to have any mass territory claim based on size or provenance..

the british did try to mandate a area but this was not internationally recognised state, it was more a of temporary peacedeal to appease the group and end some squabbles. it didnt last long, only ~25 years. which compared to the thousands of years of isreali/jew recognition. puts things into prospective

palestinians also need to develop some cultural things. also political things. like specific laws for a potential state to rule under. other things like independent flag and symbols to be recognised. even their own currency. which along with a peaceful civilian political party voted into power to replace the remnants of hamas.. then gaza can become palestine.

its not simply to remove isreali troops from fighting hamas and 'ta-da' statehood(with hamas still in power)

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the whole absurdity plea of "from the river to the sea" is not a plan of viable statehood on palestinians part. its actually part of the tehran/hamas plot to eradicate isrealis and make the entire middle east pure arabian/persian empire driven. there is no provenance claim of "from the river to the sea" for palestinians.
and outside of the jihadi regime of tehhran/hamas actual palestinians would love to have gaza rebuilt with a peaceful palestinian citizen government.. but hamas wont relinquish control to let those peace processes and rebuilds begin

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lets talk about symbology
jews had star of david for many centuries.. but palestinian have nothing. so lets just hypothesise some for palestinians
philistinia has multiple background of assyrian, babalonian but there are already many arab states using those backgrouds, so lets think deep, unique, independant to give real significant recognitions of historic identity
for instance hereditary of philistinia (egyptian)
 could use a egyptian lotus symbol (rebirth)
 could use a egyptian scarab symbol (death, rebirth, power)


for instance hereditary of philistinia (greek)
 could use a phoenix symbol (rebirth)
 could use a snake eating tail (death, rebirth, power)

  Firstly, before the emergence, as you claim, of the ancient Jewish kingdom, there were Egypt, the Philistine state, Assyria, Babylon. Jews are a nomadic people, but they are distinguished from true nomadic peoples by the fact that they did not roam with herds, but were closer in their way of life to the gypsies. The very name Jew in translation from Hebrew is crossed (vagabond), or in the form of a verb in Hebrew "avara" (to cross). Origin from the ancient Indian "avara" (vagabond). The same word was called the nomadic Turkic people - the Avars.
Jews wandered in search of a better life. They liked Egypt, which was rich at that time, where they lived in a special status, not being citizens of the state, that is, they were not in the status of slaves of the Pharaoh, like all Egyptians. After the Pharaoh decided to liquidate the free status of the Jews, that is, to make them equal to the population of the country, the Jews left the country after 340 years of residence in Egypt. I will quote from my article:

Regarding the historical right of the Jews to Palestine, I would like to remind you that the Jews as a formed people left Egypt when there were no Arabs there at all. In other words, the true homeland of the Jewish people is Egypt. In this regard, historically, the Jewish people have more rights to Egypt than the Arabs who appeared there thousands of years later. (6) The irresistible love for free activity and the unwillingness to be in the status of slaves of the Pharaoh, in which the entire population of Egypt was, were the reason for the mass exodus from the country, where after more than 340 years of residence they became a people from the incoming tribe. According to legend, after 40 years of wandering in the Sinai desert, the Jews came to Canaan, where the Philistines lived, and subsequently took possession of the land of the Philistines, Palestine, and formed the Kingdom of Israel, the foundation of which dates back to the 11th century BC. around 1030 BC. After the death of King Solomon (930-920 BC), the Kingdom of Israel disintegrated into the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah. ​​The Jewish kingdoms did not last long. The northern one was conquered by Assyria 200 years later (721 BC). The Kingdom of Judah was later destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II in 586 BC and is notable for the destruction of the First Temple in Jerusalem and the Babylonian captivity, which began the dispersal of Jews across the countries of the East and West. Since then, Israel as a state disappears, and its territory is successively part of the Persian Empire, the Empire of Alexander the Great, the Seleucid Empire, with the fall of which for a short period of 110 - 63 BC the Hasmonean Empire arose in Judea. Then, this region is owned by the Great Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Sassanid Empire, the Arab Caliphate, the Seljuk Empire, and, finally, the Ottoman Empire. It is important to note the fact that the Persians and Turks were very favorable to the Jews, it was during the times of the Persian Empire that the Jews were allowed to return to Israel and conduct religious rites, and the Second Temple was built at the same time. Jewish traveling merchants, the Radhanites, controlled the Great Silk Road and trade not only in the Middle East, but also in Khazaria and Crimea. During the expulsion of Jews from Spain, when the Inquisition burned non-believers at the stake all over Europe, the Ottoman Empire accepted Jewish refugees. And up until the Islamic Revolution, Israel and Iran had excellent interstate relations.

So, Israel as a state, after the Jews captured the land of the Philistines, existed in the history of human civilization for only 300 years. Since then, primarily due to the national mentality, preserving the Faith and traditions, the Jews settled in different countries, engaged in trade and usury, preserving in the people's memory information about Palestine as the Motherland, although in fact the homeland of the Jewish people, as I said, is Egypt, to which the Jews have more historical rights than the Arabs, whose existence in those distant times in those parts no one had even heard of. (Israel in the past, present and future. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/112471.html )

So, in comparison with the mentioned empires, the period of existence of the Jewish state is negligibly short. And the territory of Gaza, by the way, has never historically been part of the Jewish state.

funny story.. but one(of many) failure on your part that breaks your story apart
you are trying to say the philistines were the people of palestine from the river to the sea (canaan) but they only had control of gaza and jordans capital

the judeans(jews) didnt come to canaan as philistines from egypt.. it was the greek/eqyptians that came and settled in lands of gaza(philistia) and called themselves philistines and later palestinians

The name Philistia evolved into the Greek "Palaistinē," eventually becoming Palestine

philistia was just pretty much gaza(southern coast of canaan) when the egypt/greek conquest history created philistia. and yes egyptians(under greek rule) dominated what we call gaza now when it was philistia... but judea and kingdom of isreal existed even back then as separate people/kingdoms/religion/culture

palestine was never, "from the land to the sea".. that recent nonsense notion is the propaganda of the tehran regime which hamas is proxy of

what you are confused about is that the egyptian/greek nomads became philistines.. and later travelled from philistia(gaza) through the kingdoms of the isrealites and judeans, lost battles to the isrealites so continued travelling east and then settled in a city(amman) within the ammon(jordan) region which back then they renamed the city philadelphia(which amman is the capital city of whats now jordan) .. which later got conquered by the arabs during the assyrian, babalonian persian empire times.

but the control of the (now jordan capital) became the bases of the westbanks desire to have an area of israel(recent history) because of their beleif that the westbank leads back to flimsy claims leading back to ammon(jordan) land claims of what is now the west bank. even though the amman city named philadelphia sat on the eastern side of the river jordan.. so even the philistines were not dominant in the westbank area, but want to claim it as they once had claim of jordans capital and thus think they controlled jordan as a whole, and thus the anciant jordan controlled area west of the river (now called west bank)

so palestinians/philistines did not own all of the canaan region of what was kingdom of isreal and judea. ..
but i am glad that you do in your story atleast admit judea(jews) and isrealites existed before the arab conquests, even if you dont want to admit that jews/isreali's survived and lived in the regions of judea/isreal even during and after the conquests and are still around today. im also glad you admit isrealis and jews existed before palestine was even a word

as for the philistines well they remained in name and memory only, as their nationality, language, culture, religion converted over millenia's to become arabian and recent history calling themselves palestinians

for emphasis jews isrealiites remained in areas of canaan region which is now isreal.. palestinians had smaller claim of gaza(philistia claim) and flimsier claims of westbank(due to old jodan claims west of the river)

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anyway back to the topic of recent history
"palestine" was only recognised as a a mandated territory by the british between the 1920's-1940's.. so "palestine" was not some old long lasting claim.. but a temporary brritsh branding which timed out

try to name a palestinian president/prime minister that governed the canaan region which the rest of the world calls isreal..
you wont find a palestinian prime minister/president one that governed the region before 1920 or after late 1940's

What has Israel don again? With all these troubles on Earth and the political sponsored Hamas, ISIS to kill and shared the blood of innocent children and families. What has the world said about that?
When you started a war with people that have plans to show you good deeds, supplying you with electricity and good water. All you can reciprocate was to kill them and adopted their families?

When you started a fight, you should be prepared to endure the circumstances that come with it. This is Karma counts!

The point is not that Jews continued to live after the Jewish state, which existed for a very short time by historical standards, but that the Jewish state disappeared. Yes, Jews continued to live in the Middle East among other peoples, but did not have a state, however, there were many peoples living in subsequent empires that also did not have their own state, the most numerous of them, for example, the Kurds. And if we turn to the historical past, then the Persians and Italians have much more rights to the territory of Palestine than the Jews.

jews had a state millenia's ago, they had judea.. which they merged with the isrealites to expand the kingdom if isreal into what is now internationally recognised as isreal. it was not a conquer, it was a agreement/evolution, done thousands of years ago. yes other empires came and went inbetween but jews/isrealis were well settled in the area and still are today

anyway, back to modernish history of the 19th century
the british empire had control of egypt(eef) and wanted to take over the ottoman(turk) empire. so british government devised a plan to play both the jews and the arabs.. there were promises given to the jews via the belfour declaration(zionism) and separately early drafts of the british mandate making promises to the arabs(palestine)
all so that the british can get both jews and arabs to fight the ottomans

after the ottoman(turk) empire disintegrated , brits recognised the canaan region as "palestine" but not by the rest of the world. and by 1948 the international recognition of isreal took over

"palestine" as a word/culture has no centuries long history
but jews and isrealis did have millenia's long history

but i can now see why you are "surprised", "shocked", "bewildered" by the UN decisions since their inception in late 1940's,

  And who denies that the Jewish state existed, but it existed for a much shorter historical period than other states in the same territory, and the Jews were not the first of the peoples to live in Palestine. You ignore historical facts, but no matter how much you would like to, the fact remains a fact.

you keep saying "palestiine" pretending that palestine had long history of from the ricer to the sea..
it has not been palestine for 70+ years.. and was not palestine before 1920

it was only in name only seen as palestine by british mandate, not international recognition as state
the rest of the world knew the long history of judea and isreal.

palestine had the shortest brand recognition of the middle east. and thats why there is so much conflict now. they feel unseen and undeclared

jews lived throughout history of multiple millenia, even to this day. even through all the other conquests and rebranding of empires and territory
palestine was just a brand game/empty gesture/temporary gift played by the british to end the ottomans

the names of filistia->philistia->palestine.. is mainly and merely of the gaza territory if you wish to talk of long history.. NOT of the "from river to sea" canaan wide region

you are trying too hard to grab onto the ~25year british mandate recognition.. to exaggerate it to pretend the brand/name/word existed for centruries.. it didnt
you are trying too hard to grab onto the ~25year british mandate recognition.. to exaggerate it to pretend the brand/name/word as a state in modern times of the last 70 years

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im british.. but atleast i can admit to the games and empty promises and tricks to play different sides my countries historic government/empire played to defeat the ottomans..
can you admit that palestine was not some centuries long empire from the river to the sea, and instead just a britsh brand of empty promise that only lasted a quarter of a century.. and thats why there are conflicts today as arabs are angry that the promises didnt bear fruit or last long

even during 1922-1948 there was no "palestinian government".. it was governed by britain under the league of nations
name me one prime minister/president of your hapless claim of "palestine"('from river to sea') that was palestinian

understand that your hapless claims of "palestine"(from river to the sea) was NEVER an actual independent state with its own government
it was a empty brand gesture of temporary naming ceremony by the brits

You write that Jews lived in Palestine for thousands of years. But Jews lived in other countries for thousands of years. Living and having a state are different things. The Gypsies are also an ancient people, but they did not have their own state. Jews in Palestine had their own state for only 300 years, which is significantly less than the Arabs from 638 to 1258 as part of the Arab Caliphate, which ousted Byzantium from the Middle East.

"jews in palestine"?? jews were not in palestine.. the word palestine is not some 300, 638 to 1258 year old name of any place
the evolution of the word palestine is not even in older devolved words defining the area you think it is
jews never lived in palestine for 300 years. they lived in the canaan region/middle east region known alot longer as isreal/juea for more then 300 years

so in your mind. by using your own mind against you.. arabs already have multiple states in the middle east, and live in multiple countries. .. ok job done arabs in gaza and westbank already have multiple places to call their own.. ok. problem solved... you said it you condone that palestinians have another place to go where arabs already are.. right?

if your view is certain groups of jews have other places to go, then so do certain arabs
.. but what you are then digging a hole for you to fall in is certain jews and arabs that have been in a certain place want to be recognised for that certain place because they have historic claim to it

judean isreali jews living in the canaan area have a huge provenance claim to the 'from the land to the sea' claim.. but certain arabs calling themselves palestinians for alot less time only have provenance claims over gaza and a flimsy claim based on settling in jordans capital to then want to claim westbank when they expanded out from philadelphia(amman) to the west side of the river jordan
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if you wish to try to call the canaan area('from river to sea') known for kingdom of isreal and judea, as 'palestine'.. please please please tell me:
how many palestinian presidents/prime ministers it has/had in recent history or had in older historic history of leading and governing the region('from river to sea') as a palestinian government
how many years have they had a currency of palestinian symbology
what palestinian cultural tradition can you say exists that separates them from other arabs to have them actually be defined as needing a separate state
what palestinian symbology can you say exists that separates them from other arabs to have them actually be defined as needing a separate state
what land claims of 'from river to sea' actually exist historically for more then 300 years for specifically the 'palestinian' settlers of canaan

if you want to make a stand for the relevance of any recognition of "palestine" being more then the gaza/westbank provenance, via religious text, culture, economics, politics, symbols, language, old historic land claim differences compared to other arabs, come on, define it. make your stand.. help your brethren out by giving the significant details that define them
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im not against palestinians in any way. my issues are with the jihadi terror group called hamas whom want genocide with their slogan of "death to isreal, death to america" which funnily enough is hamas recognising isreal as a state

but when it comes to the peaceful palestinians. they really need to self organise. create a proper civilian political party to rival hamas, form a committee/cabinet to start creating unique significant identity for themselves that also separate themselves from being 'just arabs' which should just settle in other countries(your mindset for jews)

put it this way. in the UK we have scotland, wales, england. they all have their separate features, languages, symbols, flags, cultures, etc..
zooming in closer. each county(shire, constituency, province) identify themselves as different to other counties, for things like tourist recognition and cultural heritage historical recognition. something that sets them apart from other counties, with their own micro cultures for instance essex is different than cornwall, greater manchester is different then both of those

arabs identifying themselves as palestinians really need to culture develop their identity to get real recognition.. im all for it.. but they also need to understand their land claims of a state are not that of "from river to sea"

heck. they can even use the french system for statehood recognition and land claim
imagine gaza as the main homeland of palestine much like france is the mainland of the french.. and then have westbank co-mingling of isreali-palestinians much like  canada being the co-mingling of french-canadians

If, as you claim, the Jews did not live in the territory of Palestine, then why do they lay claim to the lands of Palestine.
 

first of all, they do not lay claim. they already claimed it. the pursuit of zion was over long ago. its done.

also you keep using the word "palestine" incorrectly to define the land mass
the area/region/territory which jews lived in in the middle east in the canaan region in the modern isreal and ancient lands of isreal/judah have a long history..
.. "palestine" does not have recognition, the word itself is short lived. palestinians never governed "from the river to the sea"(middle east in the canaan region in the modern isreal and ancient lands of isreal/judah)

there is no territory called palestine. just a wish and hope and a misuse of the word. when you can understand this. then you can understand the tensions of the middle eastern fights. the territorial squabbles. .. if it was already a large arabian state from the river to the sea. they would already have a prime minister or president governing the region from the river to the sea.. but they dont. so its not 'palestine' nor ever was, because they never had a palestinian president/prime minister

what you have to realise is the british empire, which became league of nations, which then become the united nations made promises BOTH to isreali-jews and arabs..
the isreali-jews succeeded and got their wish. the arabs still wait and hope and got angry.

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just admit it..
by the way you use certain words you are not actually interested in having palestinians recognised as a separate faction/clan/tribe of arabs with their own identity/culture that are different to other arabs, so that palestinians can be recognised and have their own state..
.. what you are actually interested in is the tehran/hamas regime of taking over all of the middle east to be arabian/persian empire revival, eradicating the jews from the region, removing all notion/concept that the middle east had any history for the jews

They steal lands, rape, torture and kill civilians for decades.
They also blackmail western politicians (Epstein).
They also steal western countries money.


Israël sponsored Hamas to have a valid pretext to continue to extend with US money.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/


Who lied about Sadam Hussein weapons that did not exist ? Who killed 1 million iraki people, who helped ISIS ?
ISIS never attacks Israël, ISIS attacked the Hezbollah.


Palestinians did not start anything, Israël kills them and steal their lands for decades.
Now you have snipers near water supplies to be sure to heashot children with no risk.
Are you masturbating right now reading that ?


Yes, but you are totally nut with your story of "chosen people", "people of light" fighting "people of darkness". We don't give a shit.

You are starving children so they have to go out of their hideout to get food so you can kill them. You are masturbating looking at palestinian children starving, and we can see this through your words. Don't you think we can't read that. We are human beings.

bla, bla, bla, before Christ, Zion, bla, bla, bla. Don't give a shit.

You are a fucking piece of shit starving children. Everybody sees it, everybody knows it.



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 God created many nations, but for some reason the Jews have appointed themselves chosen and demand on this basis that they be loved, otherwise they are accused of anti-Semitism. By the way, the Jews themselves do not love anyone. All nations are guilty before them. There is not a single nation in the world that the Jews treated with love, at the same time they want love for themselves.

i have never ever even thought anyone is "chosen people"
you can even look at my post history.. the only time anything close to that was said by me is in last few hours responding to your use of the phrase

you are the one obssessed about recognising "chosen people"

you are the one confused. you are the one obssessed with certain buzzwords and slogans whereby it appears you are now having weird conversations in your head thinking you are speaking to other people about words no one else has used in this topic.

i know you want to pretend other people are just NPC's to your game, where you are the only chosen person at the centre of the universe. but im afraid to tell you that you are just one in 8 billion other people... you are not the chosen one either.. no one is

now here is another confusing statement for you to fiddle with in your mind
we are all unique, just like everyone else

no one is chosen, you have to make life work for you, dont cry if people dont recognise you. accept that you dont win every game, every competition, accept your not the star of the show. dont cry when someone else wins the game.. dont deny that others win, instead just learn from all experiences

my view on religion both ancient and modern is this:
all preachers and messengers of a supposed religion are just people that want to lead others and have others follow them. they want to create rules and laws but not be to blame if said rules or law harm or hinder others so they pretend they heard such rule/doctrine or commandment from some mystery thing no one else can see or talk to or touch. in essence old religions are just the old versions of what we now call governments
whereby these days "government" is not a single entity. so there is no single one person you can slap, tickle or punch should you want a rule changed. and instead we have to beleive this "government" entity is doing things in all our interest. they create rule by committee to avoid individual blame/blackmail. whereby said government leaders, emirs, ministers, senators, sultans are making the rules but then pretend to just be representatives/messengers of government

we even see it in bitcoin core. where bitcoin core is the touchless entity no one can blackmail, which governs most of bitcoins rules, where the core devs are the ones coding the rules but then individually pretend they are just contributors.. yet in reality core devs are the bitcoin government and those loyal to core devs that dont want any other implementation being the main source code reference client then form a religious like foundation around it, treating core as the chosen one, where all other implementations need to get REKT off the network

That the Jews consider themselves the chosen people is well illustrated by the UN vote on the issue of recognizing the state of Palestine. The overwhelming majority of countries voted for the state of Palestine, and only the Jews and their sponsor the USA, where there is a strong Jewish lobby, are against the people of Palestine. You like to appeal to the 8 billion people of the planet, so you oppose these 8 billion, thereby emphasizing your chosenness.

So why do you support people that claims to be the "chosen people", the "people of light" fighting the "people of darkness" calling their enemies "human animals" or "rats" if you are an atheist and if you do not think anyone is "chosen people".

Will you answer to this at last ?

its not about supporting israel.
and i have not spoke about anyone who claims to be "chosen ones".. the word or inclination of the word in this topic or any similar topic on this forum, stemmed from YOUR usage of the word

its about clarifying facts to idiots that are following the pro-hamas anti-isreal propaganda crap
its about fact checking and enlightening idiots that they have fell into a hole of lies, deceit. misinformation by blindly believing the crap they find on social media and then regurgitate it on this forum without thinking or researching

just because i correct pro-hamas idiots and call them out as idiots does not make me default pro-israel either..
its just when talking to pro-hamas idiots about their idiocy, they then think i must be israeli or pro-israel by correcting them,  
fact is they just want to remain ignorant and find any lame excuse to be ignorant by trying to pretend i am only against their idiocy because i must be their opposition.

and again i dont use the terms "chosen people" infact doing a forum search of the term from anyone in relation to biblical chatter/middle east/war. it is very much the pro-hamas regime/propaganda spewing people like you that chant the usual other words like zionist and genocide and such.. are the only ones that first bring the words "chosen one" into a topic. and then me and a couple others then use the word only in response to your usage..

so its you and the ilk like you that are obsessed with "chosen people" wordage

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as i said before i am not against palestinians.. palestinians do however really need to get their act together, formulate their own peaceful citizen political parties to rival hams, and form some laws, cultural references, symbology and economic plan and have some unique identity that separates them from the other existing arab states so they can actually be recognised as an independent population that needs its own state which is not already covered by other arab states.

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when you give yourself a chance to learn and not just regurgitate what you found on social media thats then echo'd in mainstream media. and actully ready to do proper research to understand whats actually going on. you will learn its not a isreal-palestine war. its a IDF-hamas war. whereby palestinians are caught up in the middle..
when you then look at the details of military actions and strategy, and see how hamas vs IDF use different tactics/strategy. whereby israel do send aid do give warnings. but hamas steal aid and dont let people get away from target zones. you soon learn that hamas are not helping the palestinians but causing them to be part of the collateral damage.
when you learn that without hamas and instead a peaceful citizen(non-military) government inplace governing gaza, things will look very different for palestinians.
hamas use and abuse palestinians as human shields and pawns for their war agenda.

Israël leaders, Israeli people and a lot of jewish people claims to be the chosen ones, the "people of light" fighting the "people of darkness", "human animals", "rats".
And as an atheist, you think you don't have to speak about this.
No you do not want to underline Netanyahu speaking about "Isaiah's prophecy" as an atheist.

It is very strange because these are official facts you cannot deny. They said this openly. And if you really are an atheist, you are not supposed to believe that.


Just answer to this and we will go on another subject.
You can say :
_ Yes it is totally crazy they think they are the "chosen ones", "people of light" fighting "people of darkness", they kill children while talking about "Isaiah's prophecy", thiis looks insane to me, as the atheist brit I am.
Or you can say no :
_ I am fine with that, because I lied to you, I am not atheist, I am actually zionist, you helped me to realize this.

And if you do not want to answer to that, who you are will appear very clearly to everybody.

to clarify once again

no one are/is the "chosen people"
no one was the "chosen people"
no one will be the "chosen people"

YOU however are the one obsessed with bringing up the term..

as for who wants to kill children intentionally and starve population for their own greed and regime.. look towards hamas

zionist is the pursuit of establishing a jewish homeland in what is known as israel, historically known as the kingdom of israel and kingdom of judea
the pursuit is over, the jewish homeland has already been established. there are long long historical references and centuries of jewish settled in the region

zionism is not something unachieved and looking forward. zionism is complete, achieved, settled long ago..  a thing of the past that got settled successfully..
palestine is not a state has had no president/prime minister to claim that palestinians have a homeland over isreal.

palestine only can make their claims over (now known as)gaza and flimsily over the west bank, but more precisely they could claim jordan as a second palestine if they want to make 2 claims

You do not clarify anything. You avoid the subject. This is crazy !


Netanyahu said we are "the people of light" they (palestinians) are "the people of darkness"

What is your position about this as a british atheist ?

Yoav Galant talked about palestinian as "human animals"

What is your position about this as a british atheist ?

Netanyahu talked about "Isaiah prophecy"

What is your position about this as a british atheist ?

Very easy questions. Just answer. Easy.

my view is
no one are/is was nor will be the "people of light" no one are/is was nor will be the "people of darkness" no are/is was nor will be the "human animals"
and as for the "human animal" term you mention.. even people that cosplay/furry community/non-binary/ gender-identify/pronoun utilise to pretend they are human animals are not human animals, they are still human

as for the isaiah prophecy
unless someones death was a mis-diagnoses where it was actually just unconsciousness/locked in syndrome/coma/low heartrate ETC. a (mis-diagnoses that usually gets noticed and corrected not long after).
unless someone shortly after death recovers due to CPR/defibrilators or medical intervention... there is no real 'coming back from the dead' after a certain short period of time.
as for 'reincarnation' or 'second coming' or a 'return' thousands of years later.. no just no

in science, energy does not stop, it just converts/transfers.. but this does not mean it will retain someones consciousness to be rebirthed as another human to have all the memories/ethics of prior form. the cells of the dead would retain the energy as 'potential energy' in the cells/atoms, which then becomes worm food when someone decays in the ground... the worm wont know anything about its foods thoughts/feelings. it just poops out the waste which become dirt which then feeds plants..
the energy transfer is not some reincarnation retaining consciousness/memory.. so no 'rebirth' in the notion/manner thats been insinuated/implied in biblical terms

adding to that
most biblical text and scriptures are not wrote first-hand by self titled messengers/messiahs.. instead they are wrote many years later by people claiming to lay witness to events they write of. but this then makes such initial messages of some entity no one else seen or heard, just be that of unreliable hearsay/myth/artistic narration.
whereby modern biblical collations of such narrations found in books today, are just an income earner for the publishers(religious group and affiliates)/retailers and everyone else inbetween

You have just answer to the question "do you think there is/was/wiil be a people of light ?"
Your answer is "no". It is clear. I understand.

But my question is : what is your position about Netanyahu saying he is a part of the "people of light" fighting the "people of darkness" ?

What is your position about Galant calling palestinians "human animals" ?

What is your position about Ayelet Shaked calling palestinian "rats" ?

If Hamas would have called israeli or jews "rats", of course they did not, even if they have been created on that purpose, I am sure I would not have to ask you these questions so many times.

hamas and the tehran regime have a slogan of "death to israel, death to america"
they dont want peace/co-existence with isreal. they want israel exterminated
israel have on many attempts provided warnings of area's becoming military hotspots.
isreal has on many occasions offered ceasefire options, treaties, accords, peace deals

same cant be said for hamas

as to netanyahus reference to light and dark. this came from a speech regarding HAMAS and the war.. where idf are the light and hamas are the dark.. not some biblical promise of some godlike entity about jews vs arabs
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cKD9qR8YHYE

as to galants human animals. this to relates to the military tactics of their warring opposition(hamas) where the hamas are referred to as human animals in relation to their tactics and incapability of understanding the rules of war
from deeper research "Chayot Adam" is not a real vulgar term to insinuate actual animals, but of a saying where people act in non human ways (inhumane, barbaric, ruthless, cruel)

as to Ayelet reference to rats. i cannot find one mentioning any quote of rat by ayelet. but many mentions debunking such.. however there was some reference to Ayelet calling hamas little snakes

its also worth noting both sides have called and referred to each other as animals in one way or another.. its kinda the standard slang in most wars over many centuries to throw slang around the opposition of many countries of many wars

references of israeli's being called pigs, dogs, vampires, etc

seeing people throw slang about is not really something newsworthy. however if you think about it, most would rather see slang thrown about not threats or people used as pawns