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I came across a thread titled How long would bitcoin last  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496463.msg64077161#msg64077161) in bitcoin discussion board where the Op expressed himself fearfully relating to if bitcoin decides to disappear off the surface of its existence but I think the moderator deleted it because I can't find it anymore.
I don't know if in anyway those anti bitcoinairs such as those disreputable Meme and Alt Coins or the grieved greedy government are trying to discourage the public or investors from investing on the bitcoin due to envines.

My contribution to this is that
You're subjected to express your fears about where your funds are being invested on. Infact, the otherwise thinking would always make you stay conciously so that you don't fall victim of scamming projects like some of those Memcoins. You must also understand that the government doesn't care that much about your financial breakthrough so they'd always tend to discourage you from discovering enrichment opportunities such as bitcoin has come for your rescue.

I can tell you that bitcoin has come to stay in as much the reputability and reliability of bitcoin is bestowed within a decentralized ecosystem in a blockchain profitably benefiting every individuals in the circles of both Investors and miners. Besides the media is also actively working on speculating the awareness of bitcoin which is tendencies of attracting more investor and so as much the blockchain is growing stronger and uncompromiseable.
Bitcoin networs has a long way drived innovations lead to discovering of perspectives by which we can grow our economy with all indications of productivities and empowerments it has offered to the society.
So I hope that while you've been in this forum, you could observe how bitcoin has otherwise been contributing to our daily basis in both economy, politics and Societies aspects. At this juncture, the stability of bitcoin would keep being a reliability.

What a wrong title you have, talking about government in the title and now discussing bitcoin investment and movement bla bla bla, I believe you have seen how the thread received no replies because no one want to waste time on threads such as this, be aware that bitcoin is just an alternative to the fiat banking system and not a replacement or an anti government assets, bitcoin is not an outlaw actor, but a complement to the existing system.

Don't judge what you don't know because it will give rise to something wrong and there is a reason why the moderators are trying to delete the post and they have tried to look at the content of the post. Let's say the government or haters of bitcoin make efforts like you said, then try to see the development of bitcoin. Did it stop because they tried to limit it? If not, stop talking like that and focus on the investment goals you want to do.

Talking too much will not give you the opportunity to advance and instead people will see this as an attempt to gain attention in the community. I just want to give the best advice to anyone and do something more useful so that people can appreciate our thoughts. Because I believe we have our own goals in achieving a better life and our focus should be greater there.

To be fair, a lot of people invest trillions into stocks all over the world, and you do trust them because they are a company that does well, but how would you know if they are not going to bankrupt or not. Look at history, look at all the companies that were in the top 10 of every nation, how many of them changed?

I guarantee you that most of them changed in many nations, and if you look globally a lot of that changed too. Google, amazon, facebook, etc etc type of tech companies being at the very top is new, it was financial companies before that, next up who knows maybe it would be pharma companies, or maybe it would be something else. In the end, if people do trusted and invested all their money to stocks of these companies and the trust is understandable, then why not trust bitcoin? It feels more trustworthy.

Let me tell you this. Bitcoin wasn't created for all of these crap on which if you do stick into that WP main idea then you would be able to understand. It has nothing to do with economic concerns or even that saving up someone on poverty or would be able to have that good investment with it considering all of those things are just that bonuses on the moment that you would really be engaging into it. Just as expected that government would really be always loving on getting some involvement on things that they cant really be able to control. As long you are really that dealing on things which is against centralization or control then expect that they will really be having that kind of involvement and if you are someone whose really that dealing up with crypto then you do know that there's nothing they can do as long you dont touch up those centralized services.

As for speaking in the selection about Bitcoin and with those some shitcoins or meme coins in terms of potential returns then it isnt really that shocking that there would really be those individuals who would really be tending to risks out their money to earn something that could be multiple folds of their investment on which it could be possible with those shitty coins of course. Even though we are aware that when it comes to
security and at least assurance then Bitcoin would be the best choice but of course not everyone would really be having on the same mindset or approach towards things.

The government doesn't envy you because you own Bitcoin. In fact, you will be a great contributor to the economy if ever your progress as an investor will be a success. They just don't like the features that it has got and they are still in that taboo about it being used by criminals. It's been so long since that reason has been the one taught to the regulators and the government itself. One thing that you have said about is the real deal on this current state of the market and it's about being careful about scams, they're not limited to memecoins but almost every project that comes out nowadays and also the platforms that offers investments. That's what the people should be careful with.

Exactly, that is just the point. Maybe the OP just have to keep that thought off that the government is being envious about his holding on Bitcoin as an instrumental source of income.
Investors interests of earning in Bitcoin is not the problem of the government but about the model that they can not hold upon any entity responsible as the case maybe that the technology paves ways for criminals and some agencies to launder money through the system.

And it seems worried that a functioning government can not get ride to those criminal folks since the crypto currencies are decentralized and non-custodial.
So I think the government prioritizes their concern of this crypto world to the interests of the Crypto enthusiasts.

The Meme coins as well could be a point by which scammers can execute their targets which the OP can partially be right about it but definitely not of envies.

Bitcoin has come to stay, no matter what anybody or governments thinks about it, it can remain banned in some countries and some people can call it a scam, but it doesn't take anything away from the reality that it's a decentralized digital cash and a store of value for investment. I wouldn't bother myself if any people or government is envious about Bitcoin, so far it's not a criminal asset, and it's recognized as a digital cash that individuals, companies and a countries has adopted as a legal tender, it's only a matter of time before the adoption will reach every parts of the world. As for scam projects in cryptocurrency, we need to separate Bitcoin from altcoins.

Let's just put it that way that there is the worry that the government will be worried about its people dealing with scams and that's why they're trying to give notice and warning to its citizen. But in no way that they will be jealous or envious to your BTC holdings and posessions. Maybe someone from your relative is gonna have more chance of envying you than them. The decentralization that Bitcoin has is what in no way they don't have control at all so, that's what they're against to.

I don't see any connection of this topic with the government in general even though it's true that most governments want their people to be dependent on them. That is the only way they can stay in power longer because the more people become aware and independent, the harder it will be for the government to control them or rule over them because they will become powerful if they become financially independent.

When it comes to Bitcoin, governments aren't against it because it can provide financial independence to people but they are against the decentralization it provides because they want to stay in control of the finances of their people and if they use Bitcoin, they would no longer be able to watch or control the finances of their people.

I think there are governments like that and can't you see that not all governments have legalized Bitcoin? For them, you are contributing to the collapse of your own local currency and maybe economy? Because, it's also related to it. They can give a lot of alibis to justify the ban like Bitcoin being used by the criminals (just like you said there). Another one would be is Bitcoin or mining it consumes too much energy.

There are projects who are not scams and their devs don't have the intention to limit their potential but it's just that it can only become weak for some reasons. We also need to watch out for this, so that we won't lose our precious money.

     You know, in truth, that everyone in this field knows that bitcoin is proven and tested in terms of long-term holding of these assets. If you are one of those who have the capability to buy Bitcoin at least once more, even in accumulation within a year, that is good if you can do it.

     But for me, if it's a matter of raising or getting rich in life, then you as investors or the community know you are not rich. I think it's better to just look at other opportunities that are top altcoins that we can earn more than just focus on Bitcoin. This is if you want to earn a lot or become rich in the future. Now, whatever the government does, we, as abiding citizens, will follow, and no one else will.

Bitcoin has been faithfully surviving in the market for a long time and it will influence in more future directions so there is nothing to fear. You can feel free to invest in Bitcoin because Bitcoin will survive. Bitcoin has reached the highest peak in the current world, so it is very likely to gain more influence in the days to come. But Bitcoin I think would be more trustworthy because the person who created the topic could be a fraud,

Honestly, I personally don't care what the government or anyone else thinks about Bitcoin, and if I'm smart enough to keep my investment under their radar then they can say whatever they want. I've always found it fascinating that people interested in BTC care so much about what their government or neighbors think about it - as if they need some kind of approval to do something that actually doesn't need any approval...

What I can agree with the OP is that most governments try to discourage people from investing in cryptocurrencies, but they mostly do it under the excuse that they just want to protect them from scammers - which is somewhat true. However, in the end, all governments still defend the system that enables them to rule the country and the people, which means that they defend centralization at all costs.

Yeah, mostly they're just alibis that they want to say because they utterly don't like Bitcoin. I remember the time about I think it was 2021/2022 when Elon said that Bitcoin consumes a lot of energy and it should use green energy. And that statement was just a reason for him to push the prices down and also, in China when they have been banning it repetitively due to ICO and as well as mining.

If you are the investor who typically invests on those projects. You really have to take care of your money and how you look at them or else you're going to lose that much money from them. It's best to avoid the majority of these projects especially the newer ones.

Yes, i dont really give a shit on how government would really be taking up their steps on how to stop or prohibit Bitcoin or would really be trying out on how to control it or making some
laws or integrations or prohibitions about crypto dealing. As long you do able to hide your assets or coins then it wont really be something an issue that you would really be that
able to avoid on whatever possible or potential problems that you cold be able to encounter. Just like on what most people been saying on here is that it would really be that normal that
government doesnt really like for them to get left behind. This is why its no brainer that they will really be that involving on things and trying to get rid of the things that they dont really like.

Exactly but the more that it grows then there's bound to be more haters and restrictions passed on that are against bitcoin and against the people that are using it, it will become even more difficult in the future or maybe we will see that there's going to be a new breed of politicians that will do the opposite and support bitcoin adoption and make it more convenient to use it more than anything out there but we can only hope and we just have to prepare for both scenario, nothing wrong with a little preparation don't you think? For now, I'm preparing for the worst case, I'm not yet halfway to what my goal is but I'm definitely in a consistent pattern that probably by the end of the year 2026, I'm already done with that preparation.

The government has always been an antagonist of the bitcoin ecosystem ever since so I don't think that we need to be reminded of that fact because that's already a common knowledge, not to mention that most country's governments are always trying to control bitcoin but failed to do so. Basically it's inevitable that bitcoin will have this kind of haters no matter what and @pinggoki is right, it will always be that way and whatever you do against it, it's useless because it will not be worth it to deal with and you're probably just going to waste time and energy fighting against them.

Bitcoin is becoming more and more popular and many governments are gradually becoming more bitcoin friendly. Things are slowly getting better but it's confusing that there are still people like OP trying to spread negativity between the government and bitcoin. It seems like he and those spreading this negativity do not want a world where bitcoin is legal and recognized. Stories about governments trying to stop bitcoin are slowly disappearing and we should do something to make it happen faster instead of trying to create bigger misunderstandings.

Satoshi created bitcoin as an alternative, he never said that bitcoin is a replacement for banks, the current fiat currency system, but there are many people who are deliberately distorting the truth and spreading it .

Not all government that hate BTC op, I believe you can see or hear some government that understood BTC and made it legal tender in their countries, can you say such government hate BTC? no. 

El Salvador, first country that made BTC legal tender and their people are making progress because they use to invest in BTC when there is a bear run and hodl till the price of the market change for their wish before they can sell to accumulate profits.

But those governments that refused to study to know more about BTC, are the government that hate BTC and it will be difficult for their people to use BTC to make progress in their countries.

you are too anonymous to be envied actually. suppose there is anyone really going to be envied by someone because they dislike BTC. In that case, they might be targeting people who are more popular than us users here in the forum, like Michael Saylor. or some other OGs that turned youtube influencers.

i think they already have 1 such as Roger Ver. although that guy has serious addiction to forking BTC, he definitely has success in doing it.

I don't really care about anything my neighbors say or opinions conflict with my stance on bitcoin including the government. Of course the government asks us (investors or traders) to be careful in choosing investments, but so far my country's government has never banned it. They expect to profit from taxing crypto transactions on licensed exchanges in my country, so the legality is clear.

In fact, we are responsible for ourselves. Anyone besides you probably doesn't want you to be better off than them financially, but if they discourage you from investing in assets that don't require approval or permission, ignore them.

El Salvador is an exceptional case with clear vision in their mind and a better future for their people but other leaders are not visionary as majority of them wants to milk all the money out of their people in the name of tax and also wants their people to stay struggling and you can take Nigerian and Indian government as an example of how they want to supress their people and wants to control everything. Not all government are crypto friendly there are only few.

Those who are not friendly with crypto are not yet aware that crypto will be a way out of various kinds of crises and inflation that continue to occur.
As in Nigeria which needs more good economic development and free from extreme inflation that occurs.

But if they shut themselves down and just want to oppose bitcoin, they will lag behind other developing countries.

El Salvador is an example of a country that makes more profits with Bitcoin and could build their own bitcoin mines.

This is the corrupt countries can’t see, they only see Bitcoin as a threat without them making any research about it. May countries are already making profit with Bitcoin taxes and I can’t see any big reason not to accept Bitcoin especially if you want to let your people handle their own finances. I believe banks are working so hard to prevent this from happening, as if they can’t afford to compete with Bitcoin because its decentralized.

We can just imagine how long the Centralized financial system has existed but yet the regulatory authorities couldn't instigate on enhancing the system with a more convenience advancement and just of recent the development of the decentralized system was introduced it becomes a ton of threat to the government.
That's likely to say that there had been a lot been hidden under the Centralized policy.
Now they feel panics on the note that individuals can now govern their funds on a decentralized technology which is just more convince for everyone adopting the technological system.

The government of Bukele made Bitcoin a legal tender so it make sense for them to build their own bitcoin mining farm, although not sure how big their surplus of electricity is or it should be regulated by the government and they should be the one to put the mining farm. Nevertheless it's a big effort for them, not just for their bitcoin holdings, but it might really bring out money from the government itself. Regarding some countries or government that envy us, it could be that their government is authoritative and doesn't want to have their population enjoy financial freedom, simply as that.

We don't have to feels afraid with anti bitcoiners that always say bad about Bitcoin. They don't like Bitcoin and will be like that, no matters if Bitcoin becomes more popular than now. But they will regrets themselves not to join in Bitcoin like other people.

You don't have to listen to anyone who says bad about Bitcoin. We have our own way to decides what means for our lives and people can't do about it. If we use Bitcoin for our investment, there is nothing wrong if other people doesn't like Bitcoin because we can't hide our Bitcoin from them so they will not know if we are one of the Bitcoin investor.

We don't needs other people to starts Bitcoin investment while our government can apply their regulations to trying to control Bitcoin. But our government can not fully control our Bitcoin. That is why we must responsible with our Bitcoin and handle it with care so no people will knows about our Bitcoin.

Yes, that's the reality now, a country with too many corruption cases will rule out support for bitcoin even they ban it for no good reason.
They argue that bitcoin does not fit into their economic system.

But luckily in my country of Indonesia, I can still innovate in bitcoin and other cryptos because it does implement commodity regulations and is completely unsupportive of full adoption as a means of payment.

I think that's enough, because each country has its own research and goals and about the imposition of taxes on crypto,
it's a must-do where the country will benefit a lot.

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El Salvador is actually making huge profits from bitcoin because they buy Bitcoin early very consistently even though many underestimates it,
and they build mining that makes more bitcoins.
Bukele became a fairly successful president with the adoption of bitcoin, and they continue to build to this day.

as long as your government allows bitcoin trading, i don't think there is anything to be exaggerated about. but if your government is not pro bitcoin, for example bangladesh, it might be a problem when you are caught trading bitcoin and earning a lot of income from it, because as far as i know there is a law that regulates this and when you are caught trading bitcoin then you can be charged with a crime.

and for bitcoin ownership, i feel that it is better for us to be closed about it and not be too arrogant when we have a lot of assets. because we don't know what will happen to us when other people find out that we have bitcoin, so staying humble and closed is the best way to avoid problems.

As much as possible i would really be not making myself exposed that im dealing up with crypto overall whether into my own neighbors or on the government itself.  You would really be able to potentially be able to avoid some headache if you do really just that make yourself that silent on whatever you do in crypto space. We are that totally wary that government would really be always hating crypto. Even if we do see thaht our government here in our country would really be something that still in neutral or not totally banning crypto still but you cant really be able to assure yourself that you wont really be able to experience some issue later on.

It would be always best that you should really be working in silent. Trying out to achieve something on which we know that being successful on crypto isnt really something that easy.
On the moment that you have gained that much then it would really be better that you should really be shutting up our mouth. Taxation is something that we dont really like honestly.

I feel like as long as there are exchanges which are legal, then we should definitely consider that as normal. Back in the day, about ten years ago or so, we had to use a company that was based in Malta to make our exchanges, and then money was forwarded from Malta to our bank account in our nation, that was the situation.

Today, there are over a dozen exchanges in my nation, and I am sure many more smaller ones as well. So all in all, exchanges being legal and even making commercials on your tv means that crypto is fine in your world, if it was in anyway risky then someone would have stopped those beforehand, but looking at how things are right now, I can say that it is not going to be an issue for most nations aside from just a few.

Government is fighting against everyone involved in bitcoin and they can arrest and persecute the users of the digital currency but the coin itself can't be persecuted because it is invisible. Right now Binance officer is in Nigerian jail because of cryptocurrency related stuff but they can't stop bitcoin because it is untouchable. If government can have the access to bitcoin omen, they would have stopped it since but they can't that only that can tell you that bitcoin is permanent in the digital currency and nobody can remove it again.

And aal what the government is doing right now is to fight against CeX and mixers. And the worst part the government will face is as they are fighting and stopping the p2p of CeX. And if they succeed and all the CeX finally stopped then the worst will come to play which the government can't fight with and that is the true nature of bitcoin P2p. I send you the funds and you transfer the coins to me simple.

Not only now actually but even before, that is already the case that happens. I think things have became better now because the support for BTC have became wider. Corrupt people love money and they might actually accept BTC because they know that it gives them a profit but they may do it secretly because they are selfish. If a government is corrupt, we don't wish to pay for taxes because we know that they will only pocket it.

There are still people who like doing it no matter what because it makes them to maximize their earnings. El Salvador do also face a bad time, so they deserve their good times. Other countries are looking at it and think if they will also adopt BTC or not.

There’s nothing new with the government. They will always hate u if you continue to invest in decentralized assets, as anything that they can’t be controlled are definitely against the government. But we all know bitcoin has never aim to attack the government, everything are just pure speculations.

However, if bitcoin is the only key to create a more secured future, be it financially or mentally, then I don’t care about the what the government has to say. People need to be greedy at some point, and not just totally submissive to the head that is controlling. If it means investing in bitcoin is a form of greed, then I will be glad to follow my greediness.

One of the main things on why Bitcoin did gain that much traction is that it could give out that kind of freedom and this what makes it special. There's no way that government would really be able to monitor you out on the things that you are really that dealing with specially in talks about money or cryptocurrency as a whole and thats the beauty of it. On the moment that you would be finding yourself dealing up with crypto
then you have freed yourself into those kind of centralization and control of government by using up those centralized platforms and services. This is why its not really that shocking that they will really be
trying out to get involved on anything which is related to it, Making up some warnings and would really be tending up on centralizing on everything but of course its not something that you could really be able to
stop but also there's no way that government could also stop people on making such involvement.

Better not to make yourself that having that kind of exposure if you are dealing up with crypto, not really just that tending to hide yourself from the government but also trying to hide up yourself
in other peoples awareness. We do know on whats the risks on this one.

The government are just worried about the fact that bitcoin totally removed any form of government interference in it's operation. Had it been that there was a way bitcoin made it possible for government to be involved when carrying out transactions, you won't see them talking down on bitcoin. Government can't be envious that we own bitcoin I don't think that's possible, if they want they can buy bitcoin for themselves more than what some individuals can buy. What the government tried to do was to just make every move possible so that people will loose interest in bitcoin, but it didn't work for them. They started their moves very late when people have already seen the wonders and power of bitcoin. Bitcoin is never a criminal asset, and it can never be because whatever fiat can do that's what bitcoin can do. The government are just aggrieved because their powers are limited when it comes to bitcoin unlike fiat system.

I feel like while that is definitely something that they would be worried about, I would say that it is not really as scary as many people think it could be. I get that it feels like a scary thing, but it is definitely not, and we should consider that as normal for sure.

I believe that the best thing to do right now would be just focusing on what we can do, if we can do fine then there are no problems at all. We should consider how to grow further, and that means we are going to just make it greater. I hope that people could see that governments are not trying to stop us at the moment, and that cold be a thing in the future, so we should get ready for a thing like this, and if we can do that then we are going to be doing fine for sure.