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What happened:: AnonBet.net is a SCAM casino that is not paying out and they are asking for customers to deposit first before they can withdraw coins.

AnonBet Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3631905

ANN topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496891.0

Some people posted about problems they faced after playing on new casino website AnonBet, so I decided to test myself if they are a scam or not.
I won $66.70 on their website playing slots, but I was unable to withdraw anything, there was many stupid captcha math mistakes, fake insufficient funds, and than they asked me to deposit coins first.
This is typical scam scheme and I am warning everyone to stay away from this website.

Screenshot from my account:

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Did you deposit anything? I do not see a deposit address. Asking for depositing fund before withdrawing is definitely a red flag.

If you have deposited funds and won with those funds then they should allow you to withdraw the won money but if you have used the free spins to win that amount then they might ask for deposit and 1x wager so you may be able to withdraw the money.

It happened with me once when I played at a casino as a test trial and they weren't allowing me to withdraw because they asked me to do 1x wager in order to withdraw the funds and when 1x wager was completed they sent my own deposit + the won funds to my wallet without any issue.

I'm not sure if same is the case of Anonbet or something else. Can you please explain in detail what happened exactly? The casino is quite new on this forum and it's quite risky to trust such casinos but if they want to be clean on this forum then they should send you the won amount.

Are these kinds of casinos still existing? I can remember back then when, at one casino, I fell victim to their trap. I think the name was something like 777 in my locals, where I used their free bonus to win up to $130 back then in my local currency.
 
The rules at first were for me to wager the bonus of 10 X, which I patiently did but was asked to deposit before I could withdraw from the casino. I immediately deposited funds into my account. All the old balance was wiped out, and I was requested to start afresh.

What are their terms regarding free spins withdrawal of the winnings?

A no KYC casino offering free spins whose winnings can just be withdrawn minus any deposit conditions? Let's be honest, if they are genuine, they are going to get abused big time and they won't make anything.
I know a number of casinos that will ask you to first make a deposit or meet a certain wager requirement before withdrawing your free bet or free spin winnings.

I'm not trying to defend them or saying whether they are a scam or not but I have to agree with the replies above.
Requiring at least a single deposit before withdrawing your winnings from the free spins bonus makes perfect sense especially for a no kyc casino.

Besides, they mentioned this requirement in their terms of service under "withdrawal" section, see:

I have no opinion at this time if Anonbet is legit or not. Requiring one deposit isn’t unusual and is in the ToS as referenced by the post above.

I agree that this is suspicious for a new casino, especially an unknown and unlicensed one. But it is not so strange that they require first deposits to prevent abuse of free spins.

Has anyone tried depositing funds there yet? Transaction fees are not that high at the moment.

In reading the ANN thread I don’t see anyone making a deposit but the last poster in the thread claims to have received a payout. I don’t know if it’s true.

Edit, the next poster said his withdrawal was rejected.

The user say he got his withdrawal from AnonBet have negative trust so I don't count his feedback regarding to withdrawals on that casino since there are still some users cannot withdraw on their casino.

Also it seems that the owner of AnonBet is running a fast scam since imagine that they newly introduce their project here but a lot of issue came. Then they ask for deposits before a user request a withdrawal can do something with their requested funds which is scam to me since this is used by classic scammers. Better for gamblers to avoid this casino and never tried to test what they could offer since they will just encounter the same issues with OP.

I agree that Anonbet should be avoided until they have some type of history. The site looks cheap and they list no location. At the same time it’s too early to support the flag. If we abuse the trust system, then trust doesn't mean anything.  No one has been scammed yet since no deposits have been lost. Anonbet looks like they’ve been business less than 24 hours. No casino scams until they get deposits to steal. They normally make a few small payouts to get deposits, then they run.

This one is the most confusing thing about these free spins because not everyone reads stuff carefully or the fine print and some people don't know how that wagering requirement works but then it's only fair that they do this especially if you've won something big, I wouldn't want to be a sucker if I'm the casino, just letting them go with free money and without any kind of return from me, maybe making it clear for the newbies to this kind of clause would make things much easier and wouldn't lead to this kind of scamming accusation that even if proven not to be true at all, it will end up with the reputation still tarnished to some level.

I think it's early too because if you want to promote a non-KYC site, offer free spins and on top of that you don't require any deposit for people to withdraw what you're going to do is go bankrupt soon.

It looks unprofessional, from someone who is just starting a project and if we jump down your throat right away, even with a non-kyc project, we can't complain that there are no sites left that don't ask for kyc.

Forum member Rat and everyone else who is defending this scam website should do us all a favor and deposit coins to Anonbet if they trust them.
For everyone else, I tested almost all crypto casinos that registered in bitcointalk and I know how to recognize when something is a scam.
They have fake captcha math problem, fake warning messages and everything about this website is fake.
My early warning is to protect other members from losing coins, but dont trust me before doing your own research.

you called Anonbet a scam for not paying you when you knew the rules were that you must deposit first and withdrawals can take 24 hours. You stalk and troll posters.

No one is backing Anonbet, we are just saying that they haven’t scammed anyone yet.

I just looked at your flags. You took one back and got a lot of opposition on others.

Rat tell me are you so dumb and stupid or you are just trying to list Anonbet scam with A rating on your rat list if they pay you to get listed high  ;D ?

It's impossible to do anything on this scam website, but I would love for you do to make your rat testing for all of us please.
Big mouth, only words and zero rat testing.

Enjoy endless anon fake captcha math solving everyone  ;)


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No need to thank me.

I’m not going to review Anonbet for a while. They will be NR for now. But try to stay on topic. Why did you say that Anon didn’t pay? It’s irresponsible. Posters in the ANN thread are disagreeing with you.

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Ignored.
Now I have a nice proof to give negative feedback to Rat and to everyone else who defended AnonBet scam.


I did make a deposit and it is impossible to withdraw anything from thisSCAM website.

Unlike Rat and other members who didnt do any testing and research on their won, I did real testing with my own time and coins.
Even when stupid scam captcha is solved correctly it is always showing Wrong Captcha or Insufficient Funds warning.

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And please let me show everyone how Anonbet website looked 8 days ago:

https://i.ibb.co/7YBQvbS/img86a9662ecc200c6f86341b71b47f5109.jpg
https://web.archive.org/web/20240511135034/https://anonbet.net/

You got mad, went 10 years back to 2014 and just now decided to post negative trust about a lie. You are also threatening to do that to others?
I posted this in the thread 10 years ago
Some people here know me in real life so I’m not worried about your opinion or any trust.



No one is backing Anonbet. It's probably a 1 man operation. Don't deposit there. Flags are created when there are damages. Where are the damages? You withdrew a flag in the past because you made a false allegation and got no support.

Hello everybody,

First of all, we would like to explicitly thank Rating Place, because we would have never known about this topic if it was not for them. Please, make sure to also follow the original thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496891.0 :)

Labeling us as scammers at this point is nothing but ridiculous. We have not stolen any deposits. We are actually giving money away to attract customers. Even though it was not the smoothest first-time experience for some users, our team is still doing their best to keep everybody satisfied!
 
Our terms and conditions (https://anonbet.net/terms-and-conditions) have always stated that at least one deposit is required to make a withdrawal. Our engineering team (backend) had, for a short time, introduced a bug, which would allow users to place invalid withdrawal requests. Fixing this and reimbursing all users affected caused us to go under maintenance for a little over two hours. Such occurrences are unusual, but they can still happen to anybody running a platform. Even the top KYC-requiring casinos have had their fair share of downtime. We take full responsibility for that and everybody who opened a support ticket to report the issue or escalate their withdrawal, has had their funds withdrawn successfully (without meeting the criteria) in time, as a compliment from us. Everybody else's funds have been returned to their profiles, free to play with, or withdraw whenever a deposit is placed.

The user from notblox1's screenshots has already deposited funds and then received their withdrawal in timely manner. The deposit-to-withdraw requirement is the smallest thing we could do to prevent abuse of our good will. As other users have mentioned, we are running a TOR/VPN-friendly no-KYC casino, where we don't even ask for your email, and the registration process is pretty quick and simple. We are still attempting to run free spins/bets campaigns. Abusing this, of course, would cause anybody in the world to go bankrupt. As of 60 minutes ago, there were no pending withdrawal requests (taking the accounting team members for their word).

We, of course, get a lot of troll support tickets but some legitimately-looking users have reported issues with cashing-in/cashing-out from the slot machine or placing a withdrawal request. Our current recommendation is to use any Firefox-based browser (Tor included) to get the best user experience. Our support team would always force cash-in/cash-out or place your withdrawal whenever a ticket is opened, though.

As mentioned in the original thread, we initially started as a peer-to-peer betting platform at p2pbet.online (domain name) - think of it as localmonero for placing bets. Users were allowed to take the role of the bookmaker by specifying an odd and locking a certain amount in escrow to eventually pay out people who bet on their offer or collect their bets. The https://anonbet.net rebranding occurred as we started to work with a few of the regular bookmakers and gained each other's trust. The "sponsors" funds are of course held in escrow so they could not scam you in any way.

Please follow the original thread where we will soon make a statement and openly address what has happened in the last 36 hours on our end, as well as answer the lingering questions from multiple members of our community.

We make an appeal to our customers who did indeed deposit to publicly share their experience as we are getting bad-mouthed unreasonably!

It would be nice if notblox1 could confirm (or deny) this fact. Regardless of what he still thinks about the business. It is a matter of fact.

Have you received the withdrawal, notblox1?

I am also waiting for his response on whether he managed to withdraw or not. I personally think tagging and flagging them in a haste manner is not necessary.

This is not the first casino I have seen ask for a deposit as a requirement to make a withdrawal of winnings from a free spin or bet. I am not vouching for them, but sometimes we shouldn't just fuck up brand-new services just like that. We should give them time to prove themselves.

Hello, notblox1!

You have prematurely created a topic to label us as a scam while not reading or complying with our short Terms & Conditions. You were very active at first, both here and in the ANN thread, pointing a finger and lying about us. Did you go on a vacation?

We don't need the thread taken down, we want it open. We are privacy-first but nobody will trust us to protect their funds and privacy unless we protect our name first. We have downloaded all the images from your post and we advice anybody interested in the truth to do so, too. We confirm their username, deposit transaction and support tickets are as shown in the screenshots (with the exception that both tickets were quickly answered).

We invite you to come forward in 24 hours time and transparently answer everybody you misled, with the same tenacity that you used to lie initially. In 24 hours, if you have not done your best to clear everybody's doubts about your experience, we will use your own screenshots as reference to clear our name. We will show both your deposit and withdrawal on the blockchain, as well as all of your support communication. We don't ask you to trust us immediately. We ask for the truth. Let it be known or else we would.

Yes I did receive requested withdrawal in the end, but only after I wrote to Anonbet support several times and demanded manual withdrawal.
It was impossible to make normal withdrawal from their website because of their stupid captcha and errors on their website.

Nothing was done in haste.
Unlike most of the members who are writing and dont know what they are talking about, I tested their website for days.
Even without withdrawal issue I would warn other members about issue with their website.

There is such a thing called life outise bitcointalk forum  ::)
I did read terms on your website, and even without withdrawal issue I consider your casino to be high risk.
First I asked you several questions in your ANN topic and raised concerns but you ignored everything I wrote.
Never in my life I used casino with such system that makes it impossible to withdraw coins with fake messages like insufficient funds and endless wrong captchas.

Dont worry, I also saved all the screenshots myself and I posted some of them already, but I am preparing bigger report that needs time ;)
Tell us please, why are you using fake warning messages for insufficient funds and wrong captchas?

We are looking forward to your report and addressing anything stated there! A small number of users have also requested withdrawal through support but did not mention any insufficient funds issues. Would you mind sharing what browser you were using? Firefox-based browsers should offer smooth user experience.

As for our captchas, they will expire after a certain time. Currently, the login/registration captchas are valid for 3 minutes and if you have not completed it before expiration, you will have to solve the next captcha. We would consider displaying the captchas countdown to not confuse users.

By the way, it is impossible for an unregulated no-KYC platform, be it casino or not, to not be high-risk, especially in the beginning. At least we will not block your funds (claiming it is for your own good as we have determined you have gambling problems) or require a lengthy validation process, collecting all your personal data, as all of the regulated "low-risk" options out there. Our platform has launched in February as p2pbet.online (already mentioned) and was recently rebranded to a .net domain with a better name. All registered users with their funds have been migrated successfully before we wrote about us here.

I used google chrome browser, that is most popular browser in the world, and I said before that is was almost impossible to solve math captchas, hard to login, impossible to withdraw.
Maybe I will find time to record short video and show everyone what is really happening.

You already did a reset and removed all coins from your customers who used free spins, that is worse than blocking funds  ;D
But I personally received back my coins and flag removal will be considered.
It is up to you to correct mistakes and prove you are not a scam.

Please, try to do so with a Firefox-based browser. We are fully aware of slots displaying issues on some non-Firefox browsers. We will make this information more visible to users. Our suspicion is that browsers that display decimal amounts with "," instead of a "." could be causing funds moving issues as our system expects a dot. We are in the process of fixing such potential issue. Still you should have got a more accurate error message if that was indeed the case. Maybe other users who withdrew via support simply didn't share any information about an issue they were facing.


We only removed free spin profits from customers who had not made a deposit until a certain point in time. It was a ticking bomb for us otherwise. As we explained here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496891.msg64109424#msg64109424:


Still anybody who had already placed a deposit has got their withdrawals successfully. The only exceptions are "different" users who requested to withdraw to the same address, or users who deposited directly from a recent withdrawal address of a different user - they have only got their deposits sent to them, without the free spin profits. We would like to disagree that blocking anybody's personal funds is better than taking back what was given away and only from those who had not met the deposit criteria. Still it is not that much of an "exploitation" as it was our fault to not take precautions and had to cut the give-away short, so we take full responsibility and have paid out everybody who met the criteria. Next time we run a promotion we will do a much better job of clearly stating the requirements and preventing possible abuse. Until then we will be working on improving user experience and answering your questions.


Thank you, this is all we needed to hear!

I just tried to login with Firefox browser and again I received Wrong Captcha warning and I could not login until I tried several times.
Finally I was able to login and I spend all my remaining balance with slots.
Wrong captchas errors was the first thing that made me suspect this is a scam.

Maybe, but nobody forced you to give everyone free spins without thinking, and you claimed that everyone will be able to withdraw.
It is to be expected that cheaters will always try to abuse any system.


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I read some post thoroughly and some other rather cursory, so apology in advance if I missed a thing or two, I am here because I am about to address another thread [and have to read this one to get a full understanding of the matter], but I catch that one of the issue is captcha [this case is resolved, though]?

If I may offer two cents, abnonbet.net, perhaps it's a good idea to use another captcha provider? I think it'll at least tackle one known issue [captcha difficulties] from your players. Who knows if it's not an isolated issue with notblox1, if there are other players experiencing similar issue, it'll certainly make people reconsider playing in your platform and, like what happened to notblox1, rather concerned with the legitimacy of your platform.

regarding their captcha, it happened to me several times during my registration on their gambling site a few days ago, the math question on their captcha is not hard and can be easily answered so I am certain I didn't put the wrong answer, other than that incident during my registration on their gambling site a few days ago, it never happened to me again.

Hello! We also find it hard to follow everything, so we fully relate. As we have mentioned previously, each captcha has certain expiration. We have increased captcha's expiration times as follows:

• Login/Registration - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)
• Change password - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)
• Place a withdrawal request - 30 minutes (previously 5 minutes)
• Open a support ticket - 40 minutes (previously 20 minutes)

Even if you get the captcha wrong when opening a support ticket, your current progress will be saved. Please, don't hesitate to escalate any issue to support.

this post of mine might be redundant to the thread but I guess this explains why I experienced the "wrong captcha" several times when registering on the gambling site, I was doing other things when I was doing it and registering was not a priority so I kept going to other tabs and spend a certain amount of time on the other tabs before going back to the registering page and putting the answer to the captcha. anyway, maybe it'll be good if you make the timer on the captcha visible so people can see when the captcha will expire.

I dont think Captcha problem was connected with time.
Most people can solve those generated math equations in less than a minute, that is much less than previous 3 minute minimum.
Browser cookies could be another suspect that is causing this problem.

What I suggested was actually to consider using another captcha provider, not setting it to works for longer period. I think it's safe to say that any user can finish their captcha in ten seconds or less, since generally people will open a page, hit a captcha wall, and solve it immediately instead of taking a half hour coffee break, so extending the expiration time will not solve the issue.

From what I read here, the captcha system seems too aggressive on detecting bots, giving false positive. It can severely reduce your traffic, in a bad way, as [real] people will be rather reluctant to play in your platform due to those false detection. I personally will leave a website if I got a captcha error more than two or three times.

I highly believe they created the captcha they are currently using by themselves and they are not using a third-party provider.

Personally, I didn't experience any problem when solving their captcha.
Judging by how their captcha works, I doubt it can really stop bots or even determine whether the one solving it is a human or a bot. In fact, bots have higher chances of solving it correctly than humans.

Hello everybody,

Anybody who had experienced "Wrong captcha" while 100% sure they got it right, has had it because of expiration. We have manually investigated samples of the logs to make sure no false-wrongs were given prior to the captcha expiration. Users could easily solve the captcha in seconds but they also have to enter/choose a username and a password, or copy them from their password manager, and get distracted on other tabs/windows.

With the expiration increase nobody should experience an issue.

Are you using your own captcha module or you are using a third party? Captcha does not always work correctly it does not matter which providers you have. But when you are using your own it requires more testing.

Hello, bitcoinGgrl.club. Our captcha is homegrown as everything else is. We avoid third-party services to continue providing a stable no-KYC platform to everybody. Third-party services would introduce the risk of potential downtime that's out of our control. Third-party services would introduce trackers to our users. Third-party services would require KYC from members of our team, which we avoid sharing at all costs, in order to remain unregulated and not forced to require KYC. All things we don't want. Our captcha system has been tested thoroughly. Feel free to test it yourself, too.

Did you test everything with Chrome browser?
I am sure most of the people are using this browser instead of Firefox, and this could be another reason for getting wrong captcha many times.
In my case it is not true that wrong captcha was mistake from my side, and I was never slow in entering my answers for math problems.

In that case I think some of the members are just reacting too quickly even with the neutral feedback. Your team needs more time to fix, test and eventually to make a productive system.