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Every time, I see META WIN, casino banner, it is always user bashing a platform, calling it a scam.

Now I am starting to think, there is an underlying motive here.

For affiliates of META WIN to not only, excessively post for sat in virtue of increasing META WIN hype, but two to bash up and coming platforms disabling them from growing in hopes of keeping META WIN ahead.

These users I can see everywhere shit talking up and coming platforms, labeling them as a scam, without proper proof.

If something is a moderate scam, you will know within the first few days or weeks.

If something is an extensive scam, yes it will take months to uncover.

But do not label it as a scam, until proper evidence says so!

You are ruining the reputation of up-and coming platforms that can possibly help you now or in the future!

If it is a scam, it is up to you users, to report back in the thread, and notify everyone, the claims are false, with exception, don't be stupid!

The investment, users make to test new platforms, and see if their claims are legitimate, will be worth it in the end. I am not saying, stop accusing entities of being scams,

but let us switch up our approach in deciphering these scams, as gambling is evolving and new methods are being implemented, most users cannot understand the value until they play it themselves.

Essentially, the casino repu are funneling all the money to the top, where there are no benefits.

All the benefits, are within the new and upcoming gambling programs, since these entities are hungry to succeed.

Keep an open mind users.

Lol @Unlimited Money Generator  ;D

What does that even mean?

Meta Win is a casino with a clear business plan, yours on the other hand is an "unlimited" money generator of sorts, Why are you even dragging MetaWin into this?

You sound more like a troll to be honest.

Well, Jerome, if you would like to learn you can do some research, Unlimited Money Generator is an extensive program that I cannot quantify in merely 5 seconds.

But MetaWin casino, has a full team. I am only one person, with one goal, as of now to make the gambling community, more profitable, reliable, and safer.

Troll or not, my statement, is accurate.

And even with their business plan, what does this mean. A business plan could correlate entirely to being a profitable business, not necessarily does it mean it has achieved anything for the industry it operates in. It actually means the opposite, because this organization is generating revenue, by taking advantage of users. Any casino is.

META WIN is being dragged because their choice of casino repu is poor.

Their only posters, are claiming everything is a scam, spamming every thread.

You cannot spam every thread and call it a scam, to boost your own casino or receive a payment. At least not without proof.

But the problem necessarily, isn't the scam accusations, its the accusations without proof, just immediate flags, without research, in virtue of honoring the campaign's signature requirements.

At the rate, META WIN casino repu are going, they are flagging legitimate sources as frauds. They are labeling to many entities as scams without proper research. There are many false positives at this point. Likewise it is not just META WIN casino repu, doing this, META WIN repu users are just the ones I notice doing it unhealthy.

There is an underlying bias here.

Which is why META WIN casino is struggling in the first place.

If not the fact that you have a copper membership badge, you would have been taken as a troll and base on what you're doing, it may already been seen by others that you are just another troll.

I just tried visiting your website and all I saw will never make me take it seriously, its more like a scam because it was not built properly and the name is more like a red flag

I never asked you to visit the site my friend, have you looked into what I am offering?

Or are you just making 5 second, statements?

Like I said be more open minded.

I have built 2 sites so users, like you can operate without kyc.

This has occupied much of my time.

If it was not built properly, then maybe you are on a phone, I have not built a mobile version yet.

More like a fucking con man with a huge ego.


Having purchased a copper membership does not prevent you from being red tagged, as has already happened, or from being banned, for example.

It's becoming unbearable. The daily nonsense that this character carries urgently requires some kind of intervention. The “ignore” button will be a good help, but for the OP himself, before it’s too late, contact the medical staff. Your presence on the forum is like a thorn in the side. Learn to lose; what you so ardently defend and advertise will not bring you profit. This is a scam that needs to be warned about without any investigation. It lights up as a red flag in your nickname.

Get off the forum.

Op, after you attacked users on forums, now you attack casinos?
You started a drama which I actually saw as your attempt to increase your popularity.
Now you get attention, but maybe you won't get a reputation.
Do you know how business people on forums can survive for a very long time? they earn the trust of users.

if you feel you are not cheating with your business. Let's just say that what you offer in your business is not suitable for the market. then you can look for another market. of course with some learning this time.

Yes I know this but I don't really think someone can be tagged as a troll while since I can't remember seeing a rule about thus though it's obvious if one do anything against the forum rule that's deserving of being red tagged then they will definitely get no matter the rank or reputation

Why do I have a very strong feeling that it's related to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496545.msg64107731#msg64107731) and I am somehow inside the circe that OP talked about here?

Okay, let's amuse this idea for a second before depriving it entirely out of oxygen, can you please give us an example where MW signature participants shit talking and oppressing up-and-coming platforms by [blindly] labeling them as a scam?

You don't know what your talking about, in my opinion.

What I offer, is the standard for the market.

What all gamblers want, when they are gambling.

If you don't think so either, you aren't a gambler, or you haven't done your research !



It should be a thorn on your side thats the point.

The message needs to be sent, and it needs to be clear.

No more casinos.

There are better alternatives now.

Best you get involved, in the new stuff happening now before you get left behind.

Wasting your time, with METAWIN Casino, users with trust ratings as extensive as you, deserve to be rewarded with something great.

Not shit METAWIN casino rep, what have they accomplished for gambling? NOTHING. Same casino slots, that's been being used for last 10 years.

Yet I see all these, METAWIN casino rep in my face, for some reason.



Hey Poker Player, glad to see I have leveled up from a 'retard', to a 'con man' with a 'huge ego'



Poker Player you will eventually remove your negative rating, once you rationalize the true severity of Unlimited Money Generator.

No problem, just like how in the past you added a faulty trust rating for an exit scam, and changed it to a negative rating once you realized it was a fraud.

You have trouble deciphering what is a scam and what is not a scam, accurately, I will give you time to change your decision.

You know no better.

Most of us do most of the time however patience and good faith does not come along in unlimited quantities therefore it is normal to point out trolls and those that nefarious intentions.

Keeping that aside, there is nothing of substance for you to have created this thread therefore one can only speculate the reason why you did it was to bring attention to yourself.

I cannot be sure when I looked at it but I would never trust anything the OP has to say (or anything he claims to know).

I am fairly sure he will not get off the forum any time soon. He spams when he posts and seems to be posting continuously for the sake of bringing attention to himself.

It seems now that he has received negative feedback he intends to use this nlimitedmoneygenerator account to make a nuisance of himself for a few days or weeks before he gives up on it and moves on.

JollyGood, would be wise for you to get on correct side of gambling, and stop going opposite direction.

Continue to spam as cyrus loves me, and what is being offered better than anything on market.

Point of creating this thread, if you can not clearly see, is to reprogam users, to decipher scams in a different manner so in long run, gambling community evolves.

Someone like you may not understand, just because you do not want to understand. Ignorance, at an all time high.

I am not the only user who has issue with you Jolly Good.

Other users have issues with you..

And if I don't like you, something is wrong.

Continue to make nuisance of myself, as a sacrifice to get gamblers on right side of gambling.

It is only right.

I gave both thread a read, may I suggest you to consider that you're a bit biased, and perhaps fueled by previous case with other user? I am not sure how biased I am myself, given I am "from" the community, but it seems to me that the conversation there are about the members trying to protect each other, warn about possible risk, as well as giving inputs to improve themselves. To be blunt, there are other people wearing other signature commented on the thread with similar tone; skepticism.

That degree of scepticism is not exclusive to metawin participants, other user also approached the project with similar manner, and it's not unexpected.

Not that the forum is trying to be hard and unwelcome to new platforms, we just have been through a lot of scam attempts, many has fallen victim to fake platforms and rug-pull projects, not strictly gambling platform, many other kinds of platform. I'd like to think that we are fair, if a platform is questionable, we'll ask them and pursue clarifications, and if a platform is good, we'll praise them. Not only that, we also give suggestions, way for platform to improve themselves.

If I may... I'll quote some of the posts from anonbet's thread, deliberately removing the details and place them in non-chronological order. No timestamp, no author's name, no clue of who wear whose campaign, only what's written. Don't cheat by peeking into the thread and see who said what's quoted, just to be sure there will be no bias involved from your side, let's see if you can perhaps gain a new perspective and reconsider your opinion:

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'Likewise it is not just META WIN casino repu, doing this, META WIN repu users are just the ones I notice doing it unhealthy.'

I understand holydarkness, yes it is other users with same skepticism. Likewise, I don't think you are part of the problem.

Just don't understand, why META WIN, casinos repu are bashing other platforms, when their platform has not accomplished anything?

Given it took you three minutes and eleven seconds to post your reply, dare I boldly assume you're not reading the post thoroughly? Especially the part where I stripped every identifying information of the author so you can read and try to see from unbiased lenses? Would you mind to at least give it a shot and see if it can sway your opinion? That it's not MetaWIn participants "bashing" other platforms, it's the member of the forum exercising caution.

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Edit: LMAO, corrected. Sorry, Vod.

^^ That misquote makes UMG look semi intelligent.   Funny.

Edit:  Not saying your words are "semi" intelligent dude.   :)

Vod what would you call a user, who has in less than 6 months, revolutionized the gambling industry for the better, with no help at all, at the age of 21.

This is not a form of intelligence to you?

Likewise, let's keep pushing forward in the right direction gambling should go, thank you.

Vod stop going the opposite direction.

https://www.google.com/search?q=delusional+meaning

Ive always seen ads on twitter about meta win and got some OG friends that are using it and when I asked them hows the experience, so far they said it was good and good platform.

I doubt that they got some negative impact yet but when they do it will be investigated once it was not settled. But for the meantime I dont think it would be such good to create such ruckus about a working platform.

An allegation must be back with evidence and fact info from customers and users before we criticize it I think.

OP's complaint is about how [at least from his perspective] participants of MW are somehow oppressing up-and-coming platforms. I believe it's a rather biased opinion, perhaps fueled by quarrel and negative interactions with other users. And from the way OP choose to address other matter rather than trying what I propose, I think it's safe to say that there will be no way people can say that can sway OP's opinion.

it's clear that you haven't been here in the forum long enough, if you spend enough time here, you'll see members here call out suspicious projects/casinos/"tools"(like yours, no offence), it's just a coincidence that the people you see calling your "tool" suspicious are wearing MetaWin signature banner.

he is salty because there are members who are wearing MetaWin signature banners is calling his "tool"(not a casino, that's what he said when he corrected me) a scam or suspicious.

This topic is unrelated to the topic title about Metawin casino.  The OP may have had good intentions in mind, but the way he behaves on the forum comes across as attention-seeking spam and even trolling.  I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe this member feels their perspective is underappreciated.  However, attacking people or businesses likely won't remedy that.  If this user dialed back the intensity, listened sincerely and spoke respectfully, they could contribute meaningfully and even present his business idea in a better light.  But he doesn't seem to have the capacity for that.

There is a possibility if recalibrated his approach when interacting with others, it might change the perception others hold for him. Maybe he has already started changing because the OP last posted on 23rd May even though he has logged in today. If he decided to scale back his constant spamming and now will pay attention to the number of his posts that were being merged by moderators, that is a good place to start.

He seems intelligent enough to have the capacity to behave in a much better manner, let us see what he does over the coming days.

He's probably been given a warning.

'Acromann', this is Unlimited Money Generator's alt.

MetaWin users call everything a scam.

They called Unlimited Money Generator a scam, when it is the opposite, a tool used to help people.

If MetaWin users are flagging, UMG as a scam. They are flagging other legitimate sources as scams as well.

That is the whole point.

Why would I not be irritated, if my goal to cure morbid gambling, is being stopped by idiotic users who cannot sacrifice 3 minutes of their time to research.




It is related decodx.


I am attention seeking, I am trolling. The entire point is to make gambling fun again, and exciting.

My perspective of gambling vs your perspective of gambling is entirely different.

I look at gambling as something exciting, and fun.  Likewise, this is because I have developed, UMG. And can see all the potential. Decodx, your view of gambling is struggle, and almost like poverty. Your aura is so negative when interacting with me.


My opinion is underappreciated, which is why I am spamming the forum. To get your attention.

I have every right to attack the business, if it provides no use anymore.This is how business works my friend. Likewise, this thread was not me just attacking META win, but the casino's repu members.


I am respectful to users who respect me, and who have an open mind.

How can I be respectful with users, like Poker Player. It's impossible.

I saw a post of his, where he is claiming I am 'Bitcoin Entrophy', endless accusation after accusation. To the point where I start to wonder if the user is on drugs or not.

Conspiracy theory after another.

Likewise, I made Poker Player a capture card for the next update.

Although you do not want to get this card.

Very ugly card  ;D
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/28/LYobW.png

A bit curious, your main account doesn't seem to be banned, nuked, or the likes, at least not according to the log and BPIP status, it's working just fine. Why the need of using alt?

What are the chances he has received a temporary ban? I was not the only one reporting his spamming, the moderators ended up merging a lot of his posts and maybe got tired of his antics.

As matters currently stand, I would even ask if he could prove the two accounts are operated by the same person. We only have his word that GluttonyY and unlimitedmoneygenerator are alt-accounts (or even part of a bigger account farming set up).

No, I was not the only one reporting his spamming!!!   >:(


I too would like to know how you know this.  I identified a escrow scammer after his alt posted a reply to my PM in just seconds.  (Paste into the wrong window? lol).  If you just think so, that is OK, but I really would like evidence before I go flagging more idiots.  Like cockroaches, just two of them can make 300,000 garbage posts a year.   :o

This is UMG's only alt


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/30/LLt1N.png

Either way, a temporary ban or perma-ban, it'll be a ban evasion. I still can't see that he's being banned, though.

GluttonyY, mind to post from UMG's account to validate that you're his alt, and perhaps tell us why the need to have second account and posted from it, out-of-nowhere-ly?

Vooooooooooooood !

Can we both take a little credit because I would be happy to share the credit with you?  ;D

I did not read his initial post properly. It seems "GluttonyY" is claiming acroman08 and unlimitedmoneygenerator are alt-accounts. Keeping that in mind, you are right, if what he is stating is true how did that information become available to him? His subsequent reply with the screenshots do not explain how acroman08 and unlimitedmoneygenerator are alt-accounts. How does he know and why is he sure?

As of yet no worthwhile evidence has been provided by GluttonyY that demonstrates unlimitedmoneygenerator has an alt-account and not only that, we still do not know why he has stopped posting. He refers to "acroman08" as "Acromann"

If acroman08 and unlimitedmoneygenerator are alt-accounts the element of ban evasion comes in to effect but look at the member making that claim. Nobody knows who GluttonyY really is. On the surface he is a Copper Member Newbie but why is he making these claims? He has brought attention to his own account by posting here therefore it will be looked in to when time permits.

JollyGood, my god mate.

I never said 'Acroman' was me, or UMG.

I quoted his name, and stated that I was an alt.

You misunderstand.


Likewise Jolly, you have me laughing.



You laughing at reporting UMG, is like you laughing at the police department, going out of business..

If it does your fucked, you'll be dealing with criminals the rest of your life.


I am not banned. Cyrus just gave UMG, a warning to stop spamming forum.

But the spam is needed, In my opinion I think casinos, are no longer needed. And UMG, should be the forefront, because it provides benefits for even gamblers, now gamblers can generate revenue, and win more consistently. Without putting their livelihood at stake.

I think this is something that should be prevalent everywhere.

User opinion that wears casino banner on signature banner doesn’t reflect to casino he is promoting unless it’s directly addressed to the casino itself which in your case NOT.

Your opinion against PP for calling you scammer should be addressed only to him and not to the casino. There’s no grounds on your accusation because it’s clearly just for the sake of personal vendetta to the user that tagged you for a valid reason.

Just go generate unlimited money for yourself if you are confident that you are providing legit service.

That's not how UMG works, likewise you are metawin, rep so you are also bias. If my opinion is negligible so is yours.

I cannot generate unlimited money, without other users also helping.

Likewise there is grounds.

METAwin casino rep targeting casinos, when their casino is..... SHIT

METAwin casino is shit,

Users, unless you have proof an entity is a scam, don't label it a scam. Final.

Whilst I still think, Metawin, is not correctly choosing sufficient Casino Repu.

And offering users, rewards for shit-posts, without accurately filtering these users for quality posts.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/05/30/LhLN5.png

But put my reply as well, no?

just to be clear since there seems to be a confusion, I am not an alt-account. GluttonyY is claiming that he is the alt account of unlimitedmoneygenerator, you can check his post history and you'll see that apart from unlimitedmoneygenerator, GluttonyY also created an ANN thread for UMG. anyway, since unlimitedmoneygenerator is probably temporarily banned for continuously breaking forum rules, what GluttonyY did would be a breach of the rule ban evasion, I guess he is sticking to his "rules are meant to be broken" motto.

Of course, but I only started posting when the ban was ruled over, thursday.

Likewise, Poker Player is abusing his DT.

So why would I not abuse my posting power.

Don't negatively flag entities trying to help you, and then they won't spam you to get your attention.

There has to be a balance.

Yep, that's UMG just fine.


So Cyrus warn you to stop spamming with UMG account, and you create a new account to spam the forum? That sounds like a ban evasion with extra step.

Just an advise, If the moderator requested you to pull a brake, it might be wise to listen to his request instead of finding a way around it.

I think I understand things matters much better now. This was a really confusing episode because of the walls of text but I am glad there is clarity now. I am glad you were laughing, by the end of it I was also laughing too ;D

Moving on though, has it been established if what you stated it true. Did you provide any evidence that you are indeed an alt-account that also operates the unlimitedmoneygenerator account? There is no need to take offence at my question.

Yes that part is very clear now, GluttonyY stated you are not an alt-account of unlimitedmoneygenerator therefore there is no confusion. Unfortunately with all the walls of text that were being posted I arrived at the wrong conclusion.

;D

2 wrongs don't make a right. Who are you to say that Poker Player is abusing his DT status? You have proven time and time again in the short time you have been a member here that you will break any rule the forum has just because of whatever irrational reason pops in your head.

I will break any rule on the forum.

If the rule is in the way of providing a safer, much more profitable future for gamblers..

Quoting for future reference.

It might be wise to inform you that breaking forum rules grants for ban hammer, and once an account being banned, the next post made from another account they have, regardless of when it was created, other than for ban-appeal purpose, will be considered as a ban evasion, and will subsequently also be banned.

Just letting you know.

Well, the moderators, if wise, will provide an exception.

I am only acting out, to mitigate Poker Players and other users negative FUD, surrounding the name 'Unlimited Money Generator'

Essentially UMG, is a tool, so ahead of its time, likewise being a real UMG, users are calling it a scam.

When in reality, there are so many ways to make money, and such a consistent economy, that for a player that knows what they are doing, it grants them the ability to generate revenue, up to extreme amounts.

You cannot call a platform, meant to help many users a scam, and not expect it to revolt against those claims.

Two wrongs do make a right, in virtue of setting the balance so something correct can happen.

This person Poker Player, is leading to the demise of hundreds of users lives, because he is thwarting all of this attention to the casinos.

The casinos, with no algorithm to help users win.

Like I said, before UMG is the standard, and users need to stop pushing it away, and accept it, so gamblers can stop ruining their lives.

UMG gives these users the opportunities to gamble without them putting their livelihood at stake, likewise while granting them the maximum rewards for it.

I'm pretty sure at this point you are just trolling users and seeing how far you can push the moderators. It's ultimately going to lead to you being perma banned, so whatever joy you are getting out of this you better enjoy.

He was supposed to be on a self-imposed exile from this forum. He even posted his goodbye messages yet he seems to keep coming back.

Yahoo, if that is trolling to you, then maybe you are 40 years old.

I am 21 years, old and an innovator.

I have created a much more fun environment for gambling.

This was the problem in the first place, you old guys trying to shit on the new guys who are helping you out in the long-run.

Hopefully, one day, you expand your horizon, and intellectually grow up. Because as of now, I do not see you as a positive reinforcement in the gambling market.

If you were to show me your stake balance/history, I bet you are negative.

I am aiming to help users like you gamble, with the same rewards, but better, so you profit in the longrun.

Here is phase 2, of you rejecting my benefits, because you are stuck - up and rude.

Who is trolling?

How is that trolling?

On what consensus would anything I just said, be classified as trolling.

Do you want gamblers to have a safer, much more reliable platform to gamble on or not?

Answer this question, yes or no.

And you will see why I am still here after all of this insolence.

You need to be thanking me yahoo, because anyone else will leave and not think about you.

I don't need gamblers on the platform. It is an all-in-one gambling, lottery, trading platform.

I will gain users without Bitcoin Talk Forum.

The point is I want to help you guys.

But you will not let me.

Actually about to be 46 hence the 62278 on my name SMH.

I don't want a safer anything if you are offering it. You have shown your inability to want to follow the rules of this platform, your inability to act like anything other than an entitled kid, and your inability to show respect to anyone other than yourself. All that tells me that you are likely not capable of running an actual business.

I will not reply to your posts any longer as I am just wasting my breathe. You are obviously not able to comprehend.

Well your name doesn't have any slashes in it so lol/

It is normal, for you to not be interested, you are 46 years old.

If I would have known that before hand- maybe I would have obliged.

I initially interpreted you as a lazy 24 year old, who wasn't tech savvy.

Now that I know you are some-what of an elder, it is completely normal for you not to be tech savvy enough, to take my letters and resize them to your own discretion.

My apologies as I said before.

But do not sit here and act like you would be idiotic enough to keep gambling, when you have all of UMG's benefits at your fingertips.

If you sat there and gambled on stake all day, you would be a fool, Yahoo. I oblige you to do so, it will not hurt me, it will only hurt you.

Do not be stubborn, I have shown I am taking steps to forgive you users, likewise.

Well, you better not break forum rules then, because if you are banned you cannot help us.

Vod, I would still be helping you in the long-run, because eventually even without the forum. You would find out about UMG, and start playing because it has the best benefits, in the world, for any gambler.

But this way, it is just reaching you faster.

You get to experience the benefits faster, meaning you are not wasting thousands of dollars every month gambling normally, because you are unaware UMG exists..

But I understand what you are saying, I will tone down my posting aggression.

Only if users keep an open mind.

Why?

This forum has seen so many pseudonyms throughout its old life, so many ideas and "geniuses", and far as I know, they don't discriminate against rule-breaker. If you [with "you" refers to anybody] break rules, you'll be banned. You stick to it, you'll be good. So why should you [this time, referring to you personally] have a special treatment?


So, a tantrum? You acted out because someone [well, I don't think "someone" is the best term to use for this case] throws FUD about your project?

It is, once again, like what happened previously, rather paradoxical, is it not? Either your project is so revolutionary and will sweep the whole cryptoworld so great that FUD won't matter, or it is rather a mere house of card that a slight blow of FUD send you panicked and throws tantrum.


It called scepticism, and people will consider it as a healthy one, if they may judge from the way you lashed out. You might want to consider to disprove the scepticism through results and data instead of acting out like a five years old.


Kindly explain more. How?


Again, how? How can one person leads to the demise of hundreds of lives if the project being offered has a concrete foundation that it can't be swayed by mere opinion of someone?

I acted out, because this user keeps abusing his DT, and no one will do anything about.

Likewise, this user Poker Player, keeps accusing me of being a fraud, but won't ask any questions about concepts he doesn't understand.

So I am merely being punished by his stupidity, and that infuriates me.

I will be an exception on the forum, because what I bring to the forum, is love.

Ultimately, I really am providing a much more safer, profitable platform for gamblers and traders.


If you dealt with Poker Player, on a daily basis you would lash out too. I am human just like the rest of you, I am entitled to my emotions, and like I said, I abide by freedom of speech.

If I am angry you will know. If I am trying to scam you, you will know.

Because everything i'm saying to you, is coming off the top of my head.

I like operating this way so users know everything is genuine.

So although you may see it as lashing out, I am just showing everyone I have emotions too.

I'm not going to be professional with a bunch of idiots. That isn't going to happen.

Likewise, I never panicked, any user that asks me a question, I can answer it within 2 minutes.

When you have questions, and you don't ask, then you negatively flag me because you don't understand.

Yes I will get upset.

Because what are you, an idiot?


These users are scaring Bitcoin Talk Forum members away from software that will help them profit, just because they don't understand it.

Likewise, users are already scared it is a fraud, with the name 'Unlimited Money Generator', them spamming it is a scam is just the cherry on top.

Who else thinks there are similarities between this GluttonyY/unlimitedmoneygenerator troll and JackpotRacer? They could of-course be unrelated and unconnected but that does not negate the similarities.

Another conspiracy theory by another idiot.

JollyGood, asked me to prove that I am unlimited money generator, when he could literally go to the topics I have posted and see that I made a thread about umg, months ago.

Don't take this user JollyGood, opinion serious, either he partakes in drugs or he is not that intellectual. Likewise, his judgement cannot be trusted.

Now he is accusing me of being Jackpot racer, an account that has been on the forum for months, with no similarities to me at all.

Just because racer and have I agreed before, about Poker Player's negligence. Enough, of your childish antics, JollyGood.

The fact that they're still in DT suggest that majority of the DTs doesn't share your sentiment. If they deemed that PP abused his DT power, they'll promptly intervening by excluding him, which will lead him to losing his DT power. Certainly you don't expect someone to act on something what they don't hold as true?


I'm sorry, what?


So, you indirectly say that the seed is already there, people already questions the credibility of your system, with or without the "FUD" thrown at you?

You missed my question about how two wrongs make a right.

This whole two wrongs make a right, is old terminology that does not apply to every situation.

There are some cases, when you are going to have to fight, and not fair, for an equal opportunity.

If you breaking the rules, is in virtue, of improving many peoples lives, then the rule needs to be broke.

Its fairly, simple. Life, is about different combinations.


Correct. Unlimited Money Generator, because of all the present scams, is enough to scare many away. This is fine, but with other users, supporting that narrative, it will never suffice.


Likewise, when I refer to 'love' holy darkness, I am really trying to help you and other users.

The way some of the users, act on this forum. In lamen terms, makes me want to pack my bags, and leave.

But I know you users, are ruining something good for yourself, so instead of ostracizing this forum for it. I am putting my pride to the side, and forgiving these, users, as they know no better.

The users, are only trying to protect themselves, which I understand.

He cannot abuse DT; that is a paradox.  PP abuses DT.  PP is no longer on DT.  PP no longer abuses DT.   PP is back on DT.

Default Trust is a politics game.  Unless you are protected, you cannot continue to do disagreeable actions and not face consequences.   Therefore, most people must agree with his feedback.   Try changing your attitude.

It's not about my attitude.

You and I were on good terms, until you negatively rated me, without asking any questions.

I don't understand, how users can expect to evolve, if they don't allow the flowers to blossom.

You all are bees, so spread your pollen.

Don't be wasp's and sting everything you see.

Likewise, I still don't understand, how you can negatively rate, and disagree with, someone about a topic without having any experience in the field whatsoever.

I'm talking about you Vod.

What gave you the say so, to call a professional gambler, a liar, when you have never gambled before?

I am a professional gambler, because I work in the backend, and know how gambling software works, likewise, I know how to improve gambling software as well..

This is not on me, this is on you vod.

You never asked me any questions, to prove you had a reason to negatively flag me.

And when you did ask me questions, it was never that of any showing you were trying to give me a chance, to explain my reasoning, to the guaranteed way to win, in my software.

The questions you asked me, prove that you were inexperienced in the subject, and were challenging, an experienced user about claims you could not prove were wrong.

When you asked me questions, it was never you trying to prove, your point was valid.

When you asked me questions, you were never trying to prove, that your negative trust against me was valid.

Because you did not know the correct questions to ask in the first place, to prove your point that your negative rating was true.

So if you cant prove your negative rating is true because of inexperience, why are you negatively rating someone in the first place, damaging them? You can't prove your claims. (Abuse of DT) You don't have evidence to back your claims. And you have never been a solid figure in this field, so stop damaging the field for users who have been solid figures.

You have no place, to call me out, and ruin opportunities for other gamblers. You are not a gambler. You just need to monitor my activity, and ask questions if you are interested, as a veteran member, who is trusted. Don't go inserting yourself, into complex equations, you don't have the capability to solve. Likewise, while starting a whole nother project, and leaving me to deal with all the chaos you have caused. You don't even have time to prove that what you are saying is correct... Why even put us both in this position in the first place?

So now, you as someone who is not a gambler, making claims, for a gambler, in awe of you not knowing the severity and the magnificence of the project you are viewing, you are making irrational claims, like I am deluded, and delusional, convincing other users this is true, as you are a trusted person in the community. This is moving people away from UMG, back into the casinos. When in reality, I am the leading pioneer of the gambling and trading market and users need to be interacting with UMG, for safer, more lucrative options while gambling.

(Moral of the story, is, you are already inexperienced with gambling, what makes you think you can make assertations, about something complex in gambling, when you have never even gambled before... You shouldn't tell me or others what is possible and impossible, when you are completely unaware of what is possible and impossible.)  This is the equivalent, to you trying to skip to college, and you have not even made it to high school yet. You are not ready! To discuss these things! You are not educated enough!

In short, "I do that because PP do that first"?

Then on this case, I'll beg to challenge your opinion and that what yahoo said is indeed correct. Spamming the forum and breaking its rules with sole purpose to revolt against those who claimed your platform is scam [read: lashing out] is the textbook example of two wrongs fallacy (https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/two-wrongs.html).

Further, your decision to spam the forum just to retaliate does not only show signs of immaturity, which ultimately lead to questions your reputation, it is also pointless, in a sense that "no spamming" rule can still be hold intact while achieving the "virtue".

So, in this specific case, two wrongs does not make a right.


Viewed from an angle of someone who are extremely sure his innovation is revolutionary and already invites a lot of attention [that he doesn't need this forum, because his platform already gather enough visitors from other platforms], it is rather pessimistic statement, is it not? Predeterminedly sure that other will be swayed and led to believe a narrative pushed by someone?

I don't think the two can coexist; the cocky attitude "I am a revolutionarist and here to bring salvation" and the pessimistic view of "the community will be scared and rather dubious to join due to all of the present scams and someone pushing a narrative." Either you're sure that your platform will flourish, that PP's statement doesn't matter, or you're rather unstable on your own two feet yet that you need all the support to help you flourish.

Two wrongs, do make a right, if my platforms, are the industry standard, allowing users to gamble much more reliably and safer, while having the ability to easily profit. And users who don't understand or don't gamble in the first place, are trying to stop that from happening for the gamblers.

Likewise, my platforms, will flourish without Bitcoin Talk Forum correct. But that doesn't mean dismiss the forum, this forum is very important.

It is not my sole goal, to make UMG, popular, but to stop users from gambling.

In virtue, to accomplish all my goals, I must achieve tasks on this forum, like disabling all of the casinos from generating revenue, as there is a much better safer way to gamble.

This forum, is a catalyst, for the gambling community. Which is why my presence here is important, no matter, if UMG, is popular or not.

I am an activist for gamblers right, and a pioneer for allowing gamblers to gamble without putting their livelihood at stake.

My sole goal, here is not just to profit, but provide a platform, where users can profit while gambling, and profit with little to no resources.

Likewise, while disabling the platforms designed to do the opposite, ability to flourish.

I must express the importance of UMG, and in order to express my intentions are pure, I must set fire to the doubters, and explain to everyone why what they are doing is wrong, and it is going against, the positive future for gamblers. I do this by spamming, and setting up trials.

Two wrongs do make a right in this case.

Likewise, I am 21 years, old.

Of course I am immature, the only thing that matters is that all of my claims are true, and that I allow you to get your money in and out of UMG.

The rest will follow later.

But I think expecting, a 21 year old, to be mature all the time is unrealistic.

And you would much rather a 21 year old, who is forthcoming, and honest about their desire and intentions.

What 21 year old, do you know that can initialize, two platforms, as I have in less than 7 months, one being a crypto currency exchange, the other being a platform, globally used in the future, by millions of people looking to generate revenue. Likewise at bare minimum, the best gambling platform in the world...

This is only that of someone capable to be leading, the innovation, in my opinion. Likewise, there are no questions about my legitimacy, we know I am legitimate. If I was not, then users would have told you already. Users play UMG, they win money, some withdraw, some keep playing until luck is not on their side.


Like I said, two wrongs make a right, in virtue of setting the balance so something correct can happen.

In this, case these users comments, must be pester sized, so users do not fall into this fallacy that UMG, is a scam or a scheme.

Likewise, I am sure, UMG will flourish, this is not a doubt to me. I am still coherent on that factor, the main, point here is to stop gamblers, from using casinos.

Furthermore, you see my name is Gluttony.

Even if my platform is flourishing, with just traders.

I want the gamblers too.

Because my platform helps gamblers, to the extreme. I am aware of all these factors, and this is what gets me out of bed in the morning.

Getting farther than I did the last day.

My spam is needed, I am cognitive enough to know that.

a 99.9% RTP system, helping you to win, users calling this a scam.

This cannot go unnoticed.

Dude, I'm calling you out on your unprofessional behavior. Instead of addressing the legitimate concerns people have about your website, you're lashing out at other members who are promoting a different casino platform, META WIN. That's not how you build trust or credibility, bro.

You're accusing these members of having an "underlying motive" to bash your platform and promote META WIN, but that's just a weak attempt to deflect criticism. If you're really confident in your platform, you should be able to address the concerns people have raised about it, rather than attacking others.

And what's with the double standard? You're saying that people should keep an open mind and not label a platform as a scam without proper evidence, but that's exactly what you're doing to META WIN and its affiliates. You're accusing them of being biased and trying to promote their own platform, but you're doing the same thing with your own platform.

And let's be real, I think your website is a scam. I think you're trying to take advantage of people's trust and make a quick buck. I think your "Unlimited Money Generator" is just a fancy way of saying "give me your money and I'll promise you the world". I'm not buying it, bro.

In fact, I've made a thread on Bitcoin Talk about why I think your website is a scam. You can check it out for yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498951.0. I've laid out all the red flags and concerns I have about your platform, and I'm not the only one who's skeptical.

So, instead of attacking other members and trying to deflect criticism, how about you try to address the concerns and prove that your platform is legit? That's what a real professional would do. But until then, I'm gonna keep calling you out on your shady tactics and warning people to stay away from your website.

Good, a user finally capable of making an intellectual move, to stop all of this drama.

Well done.

You're congratulating me on making an intellectual move, but you still haven't addressed the concerns I raised about your website in my thread, which is what really matters.

See your running through the messages, late not even knowing, im applauding you for taking this step.

That's why you don't spam me on multiple threads, about what you wanna say, because then your not able to see my responses, and you push forward in virtue of not knowing, i am applauding you for taking this extra step to do your due diligence.

I mean, I am trying to address the claims, you won't give me a chance, you just spamming me bro. I don't understand where I can find an opening to fill you in, if you won't let me.

You want me to tell you, but anytime I tell you some, its always, 'As you can see hes trying to deflect'

When I am giving you my perspective, or opinion.

That shit is uncalled for bro, and I am not dealing with that shit.

I am responding, showing you hey, you can ask questions.

You coming back with 'Nah, you lying, lol thats a scam, ima continue pushing that you a scam, I dont care' 'You deflecting, you a scammer, nahhhh you a scammer'

Like bro, I am not gonna have a conversation with you like that.

Dont ask me questions, if your not gonna have an open mind.

Fix up.

Hey @GluttonyY, your response is mostly off topic. I gave you a chance to address the concerns about UMG, but instead of answering directly, you falsely claimed it's not a scam. Take your time to respond to my statement, I'm not in a hurry. My action is called for because I don't want anyone to get scammed. And btw, saying "I'm not gonna have a conversation with you like that" is further proof you know what you're doing is wrong. You're the one who needs to fix up, not me.

What the fuck are you talking about? Every time I talk to you, you cannot have a normal fucking conversation. I don't have to fix anything I don't need your business. You can scurry off back to the casino, I don't care. Likewise what about that is off topic, are you reading?

You just stupid bro, and you need to pack your shit up, because I already explained. The problem is not me explaining, the problem is you are not able to comprehend, because you don't have enough knowledge.

Everything I am saying is flying right past your head. You can't understand what I am saying, so instead, of trying to clarify you are just saying a bunch of shit in your head, you believe, but cannot prove.

Nah, it's further proof you need to show respect to the person you are talking too. And you aren't showing any respect, so I don't respect you. And am not gonna have a conversation with you.

Hey @GluttonyY, I'm not surprised you're getting all defensive and trying to insult me. You're not addressing the real issues with UMG, just trying to distract from the facts.

You say I can't have a normal convo, but that's because you're not listening to my concerns about UMG. You're just trying to shut me down.

You don't need my business? Okay, cool. But I'm still gonna warn others about UMG's shady stuff.

You think I'm stupid? That's rich coming from someone who's promoting a potentially fraudulent platform.

You say I don't know enough? I've done my research, and I'm not afraid to speak out. You're the one who's not providing any real evidence.

You think I'm not getting what you're saying? That's because you're not making any sense. You're just trying to confuse people.

And yeah, I said I'm not gonna have a convo with you like that. That means I'm not gonna engage in a conversation where you're just trying to attack me personally and avoid the real issues.

And now you're saying you're not gonna have a convo with me because I'm not showing respect? That's just a lame excuse. You're not willing to have a real conversation about UMG because you know you can't defend its shady practices.

So, no, I'm not gonna back down. I'll keep speaking out against UMG and warning others about its potential scams. You can keep trying to defend it, but it's clear you're not doing it out of a genuine desire to help people.

When I envision, you I imagine, a child trying to hit me with their weak punches.

'I WONT STAND DOWN I WILL LET PEOPLE KNOW' you sound so silly to me.

Please, care to inform me on the real issues of UMG?

Can you please clarify what the real issues, are please. I am curious. Because you said there was no way a lottery could pay back everything put into it without going bankrupt, and this is false.

A lottery can pay back everything, without going bankrupt.

Please inform us, of the shady practices, other than the name, enlighten me. Amuse me please. What are the shady practices. And what are the problems with the platform.

Now you have me intrigued...

Hey @GluttonyY, let's get to the point.

You're still trying to deflect and attack me personally, but I'm not afraid to speak out against a potentially fraudulent platform.

You ask me to inform you about the real issues of UMG. Um, didn't I already do that in my original post? You can check it out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498951.msg64173097#msg64173097

I pointed out several red flags, including their unrealistic promises, lack of transparency, and shady claims. But I guess you didn't bother to read it or you're just trying to pretend like you didn't see it.

You say a lottery can pay back everything without going bankrupt. Okay, cool. But that's not what UMG is claiming. They're saying they can generate unlimited money with a 99.9% RTP rate. That's just not possible.

And yeah, I'd be happy to enlighten you on the shady practices of UMG. But I already did that in my original post. You can go read it again if you need a refresher.

So, no, I won't be backing down. I'll keep speaking out against UMG and warning others about its potential scams. You can keep trying to defend it, but it's clear you're not doing it out of a genuine desire to help people.

I should say, your response is a whole lotta car spin and not a lot of real point. Let's break it down, shall we?

First off, you're trying to redefine what an Unlimited Money Generator is. Newsflash: just because you have a job and get paid doesn't mean it's an Unlimited Money Generator. That's just called having a job, dude. And yeah, it costs you your time, but that's not the same as getting free money out of thin air.

And then you start talking about the RTP (return to player) being 99.9%. Okay, let's assume that's true (which I highly doubt). That doesn't mean the money is just circulating back to the players. It means the system is designed to take a cut of the money, and the rest goes back to the players. That's not an Unlimited Money Generator, that's just a fancy way of saying "we're gonna take a commission".

You keep saying that users can make money by investing and getting paid, but that's not how it works. If it were that easy, everyone would be rich by now. You're not creating a sustainable economy, you're creating a Ponzi scheme where early adopters get paid by later adopters.

And what's with the "align yourself with the rewards of the system" thing? That sounds like some kinda cult speak. You're not offering a legitimate way to make money, you're offering a way to get caught up in a scam.

You claim to have tested these theories for months, but where's the proof? Where's the data? You can't just throw out claims like that and expect people to take your word for it.

And let's be real, if Unlimited Money Generators were real, wouldn't governments be all over it? I mean, wouldn't they be promoting it as a way to boost their country's economy? But no, you don't see any government reports or initiatives on Unlimited Money Generators, even when their economy is booming. That's because it's a myth, a scam, a way to take advantage of people's desperation.

Lastly, you're trying to make it sound like UMG is some kinda utopia where people can make money however they want. Newsflash: that's not how the real world works. There are rules and limitations for a reason, and it's to prevent people like you from taking advantage of others.

So, to sum it up, your response was a whole lotta fluff and not a lot of substance. If you want to be taken seriously, try providing some actual evidence and substance to your claims. Until then, I'll keep calling out UMG for the scam it is.

I don't even know what to say to a person like you.

Part of me want's to reach through the computer screen and slap you.

Everything just goes in one ear out the other.

And then you will start harassing me on all topics, starting soon.

Oh, you wanna slap me? Well, let me tell you, there are plenty of people who'd love to slap you too - for promoting this UMG scam and taking advantage of innocent people. You're not the victim here, dude.

And btw, if everything I say goes in one ear and out the other, that's because you're too busy counting your dirty money to actually listen. You're not even trying to defend your scam with actual facts, you're just getting mad because you're getting called out.

So, go ahead and get mad, but at the end of the day, you're the one who's promoting a scam and making a fool of yourself. And I'm gonna keep calling you out for it.

Keep calling it out, your a new account, and your only posts are directed towards me.

You could be a competitor, trying to default my business..

Who says your word holds any weight?

Likewise, if you don't want users to be quote on quote 'scammed' Then stop bringing me attention, by spamming all of my threads.

If I am a scam, you are only helping me.

Dude, you're still stuck on the fact that I'm a new account and I'm focusing on UMG? Like, who cares? If I'm exposing a potential scam, that's a good thing, right?

And, let's be real, if I were a competitor trying to take down UMG, I'd be going after the big dogs like Meta Win, Stake, BC.Game, or Bitsler. I wouldn't waste my time on literally rural service like UMG.

Only you think my word has no weight, bro. The community can see the evidence I've presented and make their own decisions.

And, newsflash, me calling out UMG doesn't help you scam people. If anything, it warns them about potential risks. You can't blame me for trying to protect people from getting scammed.

Mate I am sure, when people read what you have wrote, they will understand.

Because I cant even have a normal conversation with you, without you trying to paint me as a scammer.

You cant even paint me as a scammer, without saying the scam word.

There is no way you can accurately describe me as a scammer, using vocabulary, other than 'scam'

Like say something like, 'You are a scammer, because your system, consists of users losing money, until they win, it is a ponzi scheme because you are siphoning money from old users, to new users, to get them to keep investing'

Like say something like this if you can, something to prove your claims are valid.

Because just like you say my claims, are fluff, yours are as well..

You just saying 'Your a ponzi scheme' does not prove I am a ponzi scheme

Likewise, I don't even think you know enough about the game to even be able to accurately assess it as a ponzi scheme or not.

Um, you stating it is a ponzi scheme so, actually goes against, your credibility. Because you don't even know what the game consists of, how is it a ponzi?

Your gonna have to articulate your point better, and prove I am a scam, without saying I am a scam.

No one cares what you believe. We care about what you can so thoroughly prove.

Likewise, you will be going on this rampage, all day, trying to prove I am a scammer. I am not trying to scam or fool anyone, buddy.

So right now, you are wasting your time. But I know you will continue on, because you don't have proof you are wasting your time. You still think I am a fraud.

Uh, but there is nothing I can say to you, because you are in fever dream right, now. You are so amazed by my invention it is actually, causing you to be scared of it.

I actually take it as a compliment.

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GluttonyY, I'm literally astonished by the sheer amount of logical fallacies and desperation in your latest response. You're trying to deflect criticism by claiming I'm not providing enough evidence, but that's a classic case of projection.

Firstly, you're literally asking me to provide a detailed explanation of how your system works, but you've failed to do so yourself. You've consistently avoided providing any credible information about UMG's inner workings, and now you're expecting me to do your job for you? Please.

Secondly, you're claiming that I don't know enough about the game to accurately assess it as a ponzi scheme. That's a laughable excuse, considering you've provided no transparency or information about your system. It's like you're saying, "Trust me, I'm not a scammer, but I won't show you how my system works."

Thirdly, you're literally saying that my claims are "fluff" because I'm not providing enough evidence, but you're doing the exact same thing. You're making outlandish claims about UMG without providing any credible evidence to support them. That's not how logic works, buddy.

And let's not forget, you literally supported the flag that labeled UMG as a scam. It seems you're now trying to backtrack and justify it with flawed arguments. I'm not buying it.

UMG is a scam because it promises unrealistic returns, has no transparency, and relies on unsustainable business practices. It's a ponzi scheme because it relies on new users to fund older users, with no clear explanation of how it generates value. You can't just magic money out of thin air, GluttonyY.

Your attempts to deflect criticism and shift the burden of proof are literally pathetic. You're not fooling anyone with your desperate attempts to justify UMG. It's time to face the music and admit that your "invention" is a scam.

Been taking the back seat of this thread for a while, but decided to jump in and corrected one thing,


this is incorect.

Time is not free. Viewed from many different studies.

For example, philosophy. Kinda clear here with all of those proverb about how precious time is. Let's go with the shallowest one: since one can not turn back time, when he allocate time for someone or something, that's a sacrifice. Thus, not free.

Now moving to another study, one that's more bound by principles and heavily related to your topic, business, fund, cash flow, profit, and the likes: economy. From economic study, time is a resource, one that's fall under the category of limited resource. Time is an opportunity cost, one of the basic fundamental of economy. Simplified, when you spend your time, you lost it in, and in exchange, you gain other benefit: payslip.

Incorrect.

Incorrect that time is not free, thus, free? Divulge more. Explain your train of thought, preferably with studies that become the basis of your statement. And make sure it stays relevant to the field of which your platform works on.

Hey holydarkness, GluttonyY can only say "incorrect" because he knows UMG is a scam and can't provide any real evidence to back up his claims.

holydarkness is cool, its just Poker Player, and Jolly Good, those two morons.

It's okay, though, no reason to get, mad. They are going to be the ones playing slots all day when there is a better betting platform, allowing them to experience much more benefits.


blah blah blah blah

Wow, 'blah blah blah blah' is all you've got? That's not a defense, that's a surrender. You can't defend UMG's terrible design, lack of mobile interface, or the fact that it's a scam. Your reply is just an admission of guilt. Keep posting nonsense, it just makes you look more desperate and guilty.

Yea im really, desperate, please send million dollars. bc1qk6ck482q3x9uadj59ax50shdpht333dwwhh8gd

Begging is not allowed in this forum, and yet you're shamelessly asking for millions of dollars. This is just another example of how you and your scammer friends constantly break the rules.

Bro you gotta be 9 years old, bro. Aint no fucking way/

LOL

Insulting my age like that's gonna hurt my feelings or something? Newsflash, bro: I'm not 9 years old, and even if I was, I'd still be smarter than you.

You're just mad because you can't defend your scammy platform, so you're resorting to childish insults. That's pathetic, dude. You're trying to scam people out of their money, and you're getting called out for it. Instead of trying to attack me, why don't you try to explain how your platform actually works? Oh wait, you can't, because it's a scam.

You're just a joke, bro. A sad, pathetic joke. You think you're some kind of big shot, but really, you're just a loser trying to make a quick buck off of unsuspecting people. Well, it's not gonna work, dude. We're onto you, and we're not gonna let you get away with it.

*Groan*

Blah blah blah bllah blahhhhh

Oh my god, do users really get along with people like this?

Oh my god, like shutup you say the same shit every response.

Come back with something with substance, please.

Fuck, scam scam scam, that's like the only fucking word you know.

Damn

Like bro you can 1v1 me for 100$ on UMG so we can really see right now. And so you can shutup already.

You don't have to play the game, give it a rest, the rtp is 99.9% damn