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Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa, who is the leader of Johanne Masowe eChishanu Apostolic Sect has been banned from betting in local casinos because of excess wins. His current win was about US$30,000 and these casino operators fear that they might go bankrupt if he continues gambling with them.

But the acclaimed prophet claim that he receives winning games from God through vision. He further stated that with his numerous wins, he has been able to pay school fees and start businesses for members of his religious organization. While other religious leaders perceive his actions as sinful, he thinks his wins are an avenue to be a blessing to the needy.

Do you think a religious leader should be involved in gambling? Do also accept his reason for engaging in gambling?  Are these casinos right to ban him from gambling?

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Bulawayo prophet gambles, wins US$30,000 banned from casino (https://bulawayo24.com/index-id-news-sc-national-byo-242378.html#:~:text=Mutumwa%2C%20leader%20of%20the%20Johanne,believed%20to%20be%20spiritually%20guided.)

God’s Chosen Gambler?: Bulawayo Prophet Banned From Casinos for Winning Too Much (https://iharare.com/bulawayo-prophet-banned-from-casinos-for-winning-too-much/)

Here in our country, it's prohibited for any church leader to engage in gambling, our country is a Christian-dominated religion and our holy book mentions that you cannot serve to masters, you will love the one and hate the others, and excessive gambling ruin the lives of many so how can a religious leader prohibit something that he indulges on it.
His congregation will hate him and the higher hierarchy will take out his duties and responsibility as a Church leader as he is a bad example to the congregation.

Most religions do really prohibits gambling but there are ones which are really that allowed as long you wont really be losing up your control because this is usually the issue for most people on the moment that they will play gambling is that they do lose control. As for the issue if Religious leaders could be able to gamble then it would really be that just a matter of choice, if he gambles then its safe to say that its allowed into their religion but the bad thing that i dont like on where these leaders are preaching out about the involvement of God in terms of their gambling predictions which causes for them to win, on which this is something that not really connects about divine intervention but rather pure luck.

As for casinos which really tending to ban him out then its not already that a surprise that they will really be trying out to get rid into those gamblers who do always win on which it would be something understandable.
They would really be getting rid because it would really be that a huge minus into their overall revenue.

His title already complicates his current situation. We know how religions are against gambling and to be a religious leader, you have to show an example of which the so called apostle isn't displaying. I believe he is a false prophet and I don't know what powers he is using but the Christian Bible speaks against gambling and if he claims to be using it to help others, he is just making that up as a cover for his irresponsibility as a Christian leader.

Though I don't see why the betting casino banned him as regardless of being a religious leader, he gambled and made his wins I don't think he cheated in anyway. But I guess he is just someone with a blar mouth going to the extent to say that his God gave him winning vision. I don't blame him though but I know sincerely that he ain't worshiping the God of Christian faith.

If the winning is getting too much, the casino will restrict him or ban him probably because casinos do not like losing to customers
 They want customers to lose instead.

But if I should post what is in my mind, I do not expect a religious leader to be gambling. But he is using it to help people and it is good to help the people in need.

I think most in most religious groups gambling is prohibited though there are some that are not but I don't have a problem with that as it's none of my business to judge them. But when in terms of winning successively I mean winning streak might hurt casino operators maybe that is why he got banned but if we are talking about special powers or any magical belief that makes him win I don't think so as he might just be so lucky from winning multiple times it could be that it was just a coincidence that he happen to be a religious leader and he got lucky. Seems like the same on what had happen to Mikki right?

Vision from God? Just that will make you feel better think something is wrong.
Will God really use gambling to give His blessings? I don't think so. "Dont use God's name in vain."  That is written. Why didn't he just claim that he got lucky? That is more acceptable.
I think he will lose a lot of supporters with what he has done. He may be trying to be good because he will use it for good but he can still do that by not staining the name of God.
I am not sure what came to that guy on why he used gambling as means to make money but I bet he has a past about gambling and he might have good experience with it.

My understanding of this is that, the casino is a small one and are afraid to run out of bankroll. Secondly, God told him nothing. He's probably hallucinating. God is indifferent to gambling. That's why He gave us freewill. As a religious leader, he isn't leading by example. His congratulations shouldn't even know about his gambling activity. They'll follow his lead and soon he'll sit with a couple to resolve the constant fights as a result of one spouse struggle with gambling addiction. He probably needs to also be placed on suspension by his superiors to give him time to think about his actions and the consequences on his congregation.

However, if it violates the belief, it will make the religion worse, especially those who do this are religious leaders, of course, more people will follow them, thinking that gambling is allowed in their religion if it provides benefits, that stigma will appear in their followers, even though their religion prohibits it and considers gambling as a sin, I think this will not be relevant at any time if you look at the angle.

Maybe the leader can benefit continuously in his gambling activities but what about those of his followers who follow him, a big loss to his followers may be big, and I don't believe what he wins is a hint from his god, maybe he just has more luck so that he always gets a profit.

This cannot be justified even if what he won is to provide assistance to his organization because rules are rules in my opinion, it is an absolute thing for the running of a religion, sin is still sin and cannot be erased because of doing good, what about those who always lose? will they only get sin alone because they cannot provide benefits?

Great way of telling the people about him being the sent prophet. He helped pay school fees for the children of his church members. He used his winning for a noble cause, how is this a bad thing? HE protested the ban according to the article lol

I think if he bankrupts that local betting shop, it's a sign that he destroys the distraction that ruins lives.
So which one would you rather have, a pastor who asks money from the members or a pastor who wins from a casino?

I am one person that would want to see religious leaders give out predictions as a result of prophecy they got, if the archbishop has been winning due to Divine revelation, and he has justifiedly said the money has been used to open business and pay school fees of members of his church, for me I don't see any reason why he should be banned. At least I know in football that there has been various cases where prophets give predictions as to how a certain football match will go, and at the end of the day, unfortunately it hardly goes the way they've predicted. For me they should allow the man of God to continue his gambling, since he hasn't committed any infraction.

I'm sorry and no offence to religious people here in the forum but his "vision" from god is complete BS a lot of nasty "religious" people or leaders have used that excuse to justify what they are doing(though I am not saying what the religious leader is doing is bad). anyway, if the claims he made about paying school fees, starting businesses for his members, etc.. then good for him.

I could care less if they gamble or not, but it'll be hypocritical of them if they are preaching gambling is a sin and then they themselves are gambling. as for the casino being right to ban him, I don't know, business-wise the casino is smart to ban him since gamblers who continuously win big amounts are bad for casinos.

What you posted are correct except the one that I quote. Even if gambling do not violate the belief or religion, religious leaders should not be seen gambling. Gambling is not a sin in Christianity but Christian religious leaders always preach against it. They are preaching for the people to be conscious of gambling and not waste money on it in search for money.

In an African setting, there are many things religious leaders are ought not to do, due to the respect/prestige given to such position as leader of a certain religious congregation, of which gambling, clubbing and alcohol drinking are one of them. But judging this case from my own personal point of view, I will say that base on the reason the prophet gave above, for me, I see nothing wrong with it, inasmuch as he is using the money he won from gambling to touch the lives of others by paying school fees and starting businesses for members of his religious organization. As he has literally done well, and deserves to be appreciated, rather than ridiculed for touching lives from the proceeds of his gambling skills.

I didn't try to open the link you shared in this thread, based on what you posted that's enough. In fact, a bishop is also a human being. Even though he has a great title, in his blood flows qualities that are no different from those of us ordinary people. However, this story is unique, a person who has a respected position in a religious institution is involved in gambling. I can only smile, without meaning to judge him. sin or not, he is the one who knows according to his version of belief and faith. although he claims, and seems to be depicting himself, that he was given a gift through his visions which he used to collect funds from gambling.

So, I really don't have the capacity to judge it, or say that it is an act that violates the rules and can be said to be despicable. I don't dare to judge anyone, because I also gamble. If I condemn someone because of their position, work, diocese, it is the same as me judging myself. The crucial question is, does the casino have rules to ban certain people like this thread for example. If not, the casino should be fair with the winnings. It has become the casino's responsibility to pay its customers' winnings without needing to look at their professional background or title. especially, if there are no regulations written in the license they have. As for the essence of your question, once again I don't have the realm to talk about it. what he does is entirely his responsibility, as are the various responses that come to him. It seems, based on your post, he is quite ready to reap negative responses for his activity in the casino.

You said it yourself that this man is the leader of a sect, so I don't think that significant religious leaders will care about his claims. I'd like to remind you that Manson, who lead his own sect, also claimed to have visions and be chosen by god, so I wouldn't waste time on these people if I were you.

The way I see it, all religions are made to fool people, scam them and keep them in the dark, but small sects are worse than that. They amplify all the bad aspects of mainstream religions.

Yes, the problem is that this is like licking his own saliva when talking about gambling is not good then he himself does it what is the appropriate word that can be mentioned for it? this is not only fixated on Christianity in my opinion to all leaders of any religion if doing this will give a bad image to the religion he adheres to especially those who do it are a religious leader is certainly not a good thing and can be considered as if it is allowed because it can provide benefits from gambling, if so why don't they build their own casino to be calmer in getting money from the judges.

Even if it is a religious leader I will condemn him because what they say themselves they do not obey, because basically the teachings need to be followed and the person who teaches it should certainly be more obedient to the rules and be responsible for what has come out of his mouth, this actually disturbs his credibility as a prophet, and I think if it's like that he no longer deserves to be a prophet because he violates the rules, do you agree with that?

My response to this would be based on if gambling is accepted in their religion doctrine or not - if their religion doesn’t support or allow them to participate in gambling then the religion leader should abstain from it and not involve in anything that has to do with gambling but if they support it then I see nothing wrong in him gambling.

The fact that his spiritual life could help him win more is nothing something that should be use to classify if he’s fit to gamble or not, it cannot be proven scientifically that what he claimed to be using is true so there no reason to ban him. It can also be likened to him being lucky but clothed as spirituality.

Small religions will do everything they can to organize themselves and develop their beliefs and it does cost money to do so so they may resort to anything to get the money including gambling.

Maybe he met his god and had a chat and his god told him to gamble, why not give the money directly to the sect leader instead of betting on gambling if he got a hint from his god, this makes no sense, and who can verify that he had a chat with his god, maybe it was just a hallucination and he was just lucky.

You're pretty annoying if religion was born just to deceive, poor conclusion.

They have no right to ban him from playing because he is always winning what do they expect from customers? to keep losing while they expanding their business I think the position of the man is the only thing I see as a hindrance here since most of his followers will start complaining about his gambling activities despite using it to support the members of his religion else I would have supported the man to continue to outwin them or better still share his winning tactics to some of his members so they continue from where he stops so they keep of winning to take care of other religious members.

I don't think I understand the type of religion that the man is associated with but if he's religion is not against gambling, he has the right to argue with the casino company or even make a case with them just to know why they don't want to see him gamble again.

Ah lol, what I only saw in this story was about someone who used religion to get money from donations and by chance that person was able to wins when gambling using the money from his fraud.
That is just for publicity and to justify his gambling habit, because when he becomes more famous, he definitely will receive more than what he has spent.

I still wonder what does religion get to do with gambling. After reading through the post i do not see any point of banning the person mentioned. He has his own difficulties in life so if he chooses to gamble that is his own decision. There is no law on gambling and its does not having anything to do with stealing or fraud. Am now sure that the local casino must have stopped him from gambling with them because he had won a lot of money not because he was a religious leader. This is because they had knew from the start that he was a religious leader before he starts gambling, and maybe they also think he makes use of his religious power

My concern is that a lot of people look up to him. The youths who have the energy to look for better sources of income will follow his lead and hope for winning games from God too so they can earn from gambling like their leader.

I am one person that sees gambling as a normal game anyone can play. The only problem is that most gamblers often abuse the game just so they can earn more than they should. It is the players that makes gambling look bad. The religious leader might be a good gambler, but can we say same for his followers who would want to imitate him?  This is why it is important for any leader to be careful of the things he does or says because followers are always there observing, they will one day try to imitate and land themselves in trouble if they don't do it well. Gambling openingly with such huge wins will put the feelings of greed in the minds of the members,  they will definitely abuse gambling if given the chance.

If his religion doesn't prohibit gambling, then why can't he (Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa) gamble?

My opinion plays no role in this case. I’m not his (Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa) God to prohibit gambling. :)

If the statements are true, then his (Archbishop Emmanuel Mutumwa) actions are justified by good intentions.

Of course not, because this (the possibility of the casino going bankrupt) is not a justification for a ban on gamblers.

This gambler plays within the rules and doesn't break anything. His only sin (from the casino's point of view) is that he wins.

Casinos in every advertisement offer gambling as a place to get rich. One gambler got rich and now he is forbidden to play just because he won? It sounds very absurd and hypocritical.

Could totally depend on the religion and its current followers in the area. I would say some maybe against it and some may not though, I assume more folks will be against it.

I've long left my religion so I don't really get the vision from god statements but I respect other people's beliefs. If they're a responsible gambler esp with a good cause and is careful how they use their platform when it comes to influencing their followers then, I don't see anything wrong personally. On the other hand, it's ultimately a big responsibility so wouldn't be surprised if folks played it safe by barring leaders from gambling completely.

Further, I also see nothing wrong from a casino banning him because they're running out of funds to pay him lol. It's actually a good move IMO.

Skenario ini merupakan salah satu keunikan dan kompleksitas. Sebagai orang yang pemimpin agma, ia memikul tugas moral dan etika yang tinggi; banyak yang berpendapat bahwa perjudian tidak boleh menjadi praktik di kalangan pemimpin agama karena dapat memberikan contoh buruk yang bertentangan dengan nilai-nilai moral yang mereka anut.

Alasan Uskup Agung, bahwa kemenangannya bersifat ilahi dan dimaksudkan untuk filantropi, masuk akal dari sudut pandangnya. Namun, masih ada pertanyaan etis mengenai manfaat penggunaan keuntungan perjudian untuk tujuan tersebut. Di satu sisi, dia berpikir itu adalah sebuah berkah; di sisi lain, kami memiliki keraguan mengenai kedudukan etisnya.

Merupakan hak prerogatif kasino untuk melarang seseorang berpartisipasi dalam perjudian jika mereka menganggapnya sebagai ancaman terhadap bisnis mereka. Keputusan untuk melarang para pemimpin agama melakukan perjudian dapat dilihat sebagai hal yang dapat dibenarkan dari sudut pandang bisnis dalam menjaga kepentingan keuangan mereka.

Kesimpulannya, isu seputar partisipasi pemuka agama dalam perjudian masih menjadi perdebatan dan bergantung pada bagaimana hal itu dilihat dari sudut pandang moral dan dampaknya terhadap nilai-nilai dan prinsip-prinsip komunitas yang dianut oleh individu.

This has to be a joke right?

How could a large establishment like a casino go bankrupt with an amount at the level of USD 30k? I know this is not the US but still. There's a base level of operating a business as large anywhere.
I believe this would probably be a publicity stunt by the priest to gain followers. Apparently prosperity preachers are a big thing with new wave christianity. These preachers have completely done away with teaching original Jesus' preachings of being humble and about how riches are a mortal sin, to going overboard saying if you pray you'll become wealthy and the poor deserve to be poor because they're not good men or some shit like that.

There's a funny comic about this called supply side jesus. Read it, you'll remember me.

I really hope this type of Christianity stops branching out to Africa because it's really quite destructive. Now even promoting gambling. God knows what they're gonna be up to next.

Well in some countries, religious beliefs is taken to some extent and I believe that was the base that the casino owners too used to feel that the religious leader is actually a step ahead because they feel, he is using superstitious way to get ahead and win. There are so many people who really takes these religious and superstitious believe to some extent and I have even seen crazier actions taken by people base on their beliefs system.

Majority of the religions that I know are against with gambling. The reason why I’m not used to see a religious leader going into gambling and even winning consistently. However, if his religion do not go against with gambling casinos, then there’s no valid reason that he will be stopped from gambling. He has his own right to gamble as long as he is gambling responsibly, most especially that his gambling profits are set for a good cause.

 Now talking about casino banning this person, I believe any casino has all the right to restrict or ban a certain gambler, as long as he’s considered a risk to the future of the gambling casino business.

As a leader, you are expected to lead by example.
 
It's prohibited in most regions because of the consequences that come with gambling.
When they talk about addiction, it's something one might not even know he or she is getting addicted to until they're already into it.
 
Some people do not even believe they're addicted to it, even when others tell them, so this is what an apostle of God shouldn't do because it ruins life's.
 
He might be able to control his gambling life, but what happens to that soul who is looking up to him and learning from him? They might not do the same and could destroy his own life. This is what makes it really bad for a leader to be involved. 

Religion never makes much sense but this kind of ridiculousness is a prime example. Instead of expelling this person from the church, because they broke some rather basic rules, they decided to reprimand and not really punish him at all. The punishment in this case was "don't do it again" instead of expecting a highly placed religious leader to know already that it was completely unacceptable. It shows the common hypocrisy that seems ever present in religion and sets a very bad example to followers. If there are no repercussions, like demotion even, for bad acts - then they should not preach otherwise.

In the world of today, the compass of morality has become relative, it's not really bad if you take a logical approach in to looking at these things because the same casinos rip people off their money in the name of playing games and having fun, so of it happens that some One has gotten the skill enough to be able to get it from the casinos to give to the needey out there which isn't a bad act, it's fair he does it, condemning him to be a sinner is not even making any sense to me or would you rather prefer the ones who take from those needs member of their religion that needs help.

He understood that he isn't capable of getting the money to help everyone from the church so he decides to get it els where with his skills of which it's not stealing and then turned out to help the society from the proceed of his skill

Even if a religious leader or someone in his position wants to get involved in gambling they should do so secretly knowing that if the gamble openly and endorse it, they could influence a lot of people both of the legitimate age to gamble and the illegitimate age too.
His reasons for gambling are just an excuse, and the casino is wrong to ban him for winning too much because if he was losing they will not ban him for losing too much.

If the religious leader believes what he is doing is righteous, then I don't have anything to say about it or even argue that it is not, and secondly, he is using the winnings to help the needy, so it serves as a blessing to those who are being touched and reached by him and his entire church. At least he doesn't go about scamming the members of his church; instead, he makes some honest winnings from the casino that have taken more than enough from society.

I think this isn't right for judgemental people who saw a so called righteous person got involved himself with gambling. The impression was totally bad as this religious leaders used up the money came from tithes of the people who believed they're saved by sharing 10% of their hard earned money as per scripture. Gambling money from donations made so many people pissed off and annoyed, and most probably this has been reported by other leaders due to complaints from anonymous individuals. As a human being, this guy has also a sinful manner like us so every reason is always accountable and acceptable except the law of the church and state.

I just believe gambling is just a game and as far as one is playing responsible and not being addicted I don't think playing gambling is a sin. If we look into our different religion and if we should go for sin to see what are the real sin gambling is not mentioned as one. But if people with such profile are into gambling it will be better for them to learn how to keep it secret because the society we are from it won't look good to see clerics that we look unto to take gambling as an hobby. A priest is seen to be a role model which  people needs to look and rely on.

Casino will always want gamblers to continue their games even if the gambler is losing money but when one starts winning constantly casino's will think of restrictng the user accounts. I think casinos need to maintain same energy either win or lose.

Are casinos unwilling to pay customers big winnings? The reasoning behind it doesn't make sense because religious openers with excessive winnings have casinos banning them.

I know the preacher of any religion should not gamble but when it comes to money anything will do because it is a necessity that cannot be avoided, there are other reasons for example his followers are afraid to play gambling and they are getting addicted because the preacher has started gambling.

But the excuse of casino operators with excess winnings to me is absurd.

It’s not impossible my dear Because God is a miraculous God and can bless people in different ways and in different positions and probably that is how his own gift came and if he is been banned from casinos that really means that he has extraordinary gifts when it comes to gambling. I know of a guy who will watch a match in the dream and when he wakes up he will tell you the scores and the people that score the goals though not frequently and after the match everything will be as he predicted it. so people have different gift from God so the scenario that the op cited can happen to anyone if God chose to bless you like that .

I still don't believe that it actually exists claiming themselves a prophet and then winning huge amounts in gambling.
I hope I was wrong but this story drives to something like an ad that makes people who hear this news follow him and believe in his capabilities. Like he uses the casino and pretends he wins huge but the truth is not.

I rather believe that a gambler loses millions rather than winning millions because of their religious belief unless cheating is made. I know God give us some favor but for sure, it was not this way - gambling.

If their religion clearly states the prohibition of any involvement of gambling then I think that they should an example to their followers and not that they're the one that's doing it, it would be a blasphemous act if you ask me that this archbishop is doing this, if their religion has a God that clearly states in their religious scriptures that deals in a black and white morality, this archbishop is already a sinner no matter how pure the intentions are, this is just like that joke by Dave Chappelle about a superhero that rapes someone before they can transform into a superhero to save a lot of people, it's still wrong no matter what the results will show you and that the ends doesn't justify the means. It's probably for the best that this archbishop got barred from that casino because either he's a really lucky man, or that he really has a divine providence that's helping him out or the most likely thing here is that this man is probably cheating in some way that's new to the casinos in their country.

What I know is that, they are prohibited in any gambling engagement because of their belief that gambling is a bad and forbidden work of the Lord, especially if it is from the Catholic religion, such activity is strictly prohibited and they may even be deprived of the right to be a member of the church if it is proven , especially now that many priests disobey the things stated in their book. for me, even though he used the money he earned in the right way, he did it wrong because it is forbidden, especially because one of his reasons is that he won because of the visions that the god showed him, so be fair to other gamblers, maybe it's right to ban him from casino houses because mylaybe it's really true that he has visions about winnings and it's possible that the outcome will be treated as cheating.

I am surprised by this story. More so when it says:


I'm inclined to think that the religious man was cheating in some way, and if not, it only remains that he has been extraordinarily lucky. But that would be statistically very unlikely.

Then there's something else that doesn't make much sense:


The one who wins in casino games several times is not because he has some kind of power or something.

The important point I am holding here is not that the Archbishop was involved in gambling, but that the casino immediately banned him from gambling on their premises after making a big win. His presence is considered a threat to their business, the conclusion is that the casino does not want them to lose because someone who has supernatural powers can make it easier for them to win every round played.

Generally, every religious leader is not allowed to be involved in gambling, this has been explained in the holy books of each religion. Regarding the reasons for gambling depending on each individual's perception, I cannot say whether his actions were right or wrong, the Archbishop had his own reasons why he dared to do this and he felt he could account for his actions to his God.

You know what? Thiscase is scary because you don't know if you will judge the religious leader or what, because he says that he gambles in order to help someone, or he shares his winnings because, according to him, the blessings came from God. But for me, even if the intention is good and in order to help, still the religious leader is gambling, and according to the Bible and most religions, gambling is a sin, so I think it is not a good thing to make God an excuse to gamble. It's easy to say that he is gambling in order to help someone, because based on his earnings from gambling, it's too much. I doubt that it will only go to helping other people. But again, its hard to judge the leader because if you do, you may be considered evil because you are judging the action of that leader. But I want to make my opinion that if he really wants to help someone, then do it not by using gambling, because gambling is evil, no matter how good your intention, you will do it using the money from gambling.

Still, we need to discuss about religion and gambling again?

I don't care with the title of any person whether he's a president, religious leader, successful investor, successful businessman, gambling addict counselor, or even government officer, most people loves money, that's why they want to gamble.

There's no such thing like it's legal to do bad thing to achieve good thing, if the religion say it's a sin, then it's a sin regardless what the reason is.

A very interesting person, he has very unconventional views. In general, it is quite rare to find a religious leader who gambles. To be honest, I don’t even remember a single such case. But the most important thing is how does he manage to win? Of course, in gambling, winning can only be accidental. Is it possible to assume that this religious figure won by accident? I think yes. Do we have any reason to believe that his win was not accidental? In my opinion, we have very little information. It’s not even clear what games he played in the casino. Probably roulette? In addition, we do not know the statistics of his games. How many times did he play? Did he have any losses? Or was he just winning?

This is what I used to call timidity,so uptill now,some religions still believe that gambling is a sin,how can what will turn you into a millionaire be a sin?in this kind of world where there is no good government who are ready to provide good job for its citizens.Some religions are really primitive and archaic to see sin in gambling.
If I am that Religious leaders,I won't mind,I will change religion for them,how can some one be imprisoned and conditioned just because of gambling,although I see all those things as individual constraints,because if the leader was bold enough,he wouldn't let his religion have a say in his way of making ends meet.

If you observe closely you would notice that a lot of religions are against gambling activities and for a religious leader to go against the religious beliefs and rules means he's probably not fit enough to be the religious leader he claims to be. The fact is if you should view gambling from a lot of religious beliefs you would classify it as a wrong act. for the fact that mentioning a particular region may seem awkward, make it even ok to say that a majority of the most popular religions in the world are actually against gambling activities most of them because of its result on people who are unable to manage it and eventually turn out to be addicts.

I'm not a religious leader but I have received betting game from dream which I played and won, although I played small amount because I was skeptical about it. So, I will not doubt the possibility of spiritual people receiving gambling tips from from vision or whatever spiritual means. The only area I was wondering is the consistency and reliability of such pattern because I still remember receiving other games in the dream that failed. However,  those that will work, there are usually signs that they will work and it requires mastery to understand and use the signs well.

Banning the spiritual man from gambling is a sheer waste of time because he can just use the wife or any of the relative or church member to place the game for him. He can equally sign up in international companies and become the latest millionaire in that country.

For me, if what he acclaim is true of his utilization of his wins, he has my full support and come to think about it, his status as a man of God doesn't make him less a human, he's entitled to have fun in whatever way he wishes as far as he's  neither going extreme nor hurting anyone in the process, finally its people's perception about gambling that is their problem, it doesn't make anyone less holy.

Finally, its about the purpose, he's using the money to do charitable works and that's more humanly. Checking his claims of using it to help his members, if I'm God, I'll give him more visions of games because he's being a good shepherd. Those against him are the  shepherds that extort from their members, but he went the extra mile to help them. That's love and more like living out what he peaches.

I think the casinos are not respecting their terms and conditions because I've never seen multiple wins as a beach of any agreement in gambling, in fact I'll be very delighted to link up with this man, I have an important prayer point and I wish to request his intercession 8).

Absolutely right, it's not easy to be a religious leader because you won't be able to do most things. However a religious leader can not gamble because he has to keep his reputation and also make those who is looking up to him to know that he's fit for the leadership. A good religion leader thinks on how to grow his people or personality, so if the young ones that's looking up to him for a good leadership gamble the religion leader is not to gamble with them, even if the leader needs entertainment there is another way to be entertained instead of him to gamble. Some religious are not totally against gamble but they don't want to gamble because they believe that they can't be lucky to win the amount of money they are looking for. And they also believes that gamble is a scam.

Duh, obviously, they don't want the idea that you're making money out of them and they're not getting a cent out of you. There's a reason why they call it, the house always wins, because they know that they have the right to keep you out when they know that you're bleeding them with money. This has been the theme with casino ever since, you know like those clever bullies that get away with what they do and those that stand up to them are the one's that face the consequence, that's how I see this one. Regarding the archbishop, I feel like it's a scandal because it sullies the name of their church, seeing a man of faith, trying their luck on slot machines, poker table, baccarat, and many other games is just too appalling and too shocking for everyone that will be a part of that congregation.

If the religion clearly prohibits gambling for any reason, it is still a sin. What became worse was when he became a religious leader who was popular in his environment.
Even though the intention is good, the way to get it is not justified. If the community knows all that, how can he still be trusted to lead religious organizations in the community?
Regardless of its goodness in advancing the organization, I am sure that not everyone in the organization will agree with the methods used by the religious leadership.

If your religious believes and the laws of your country doesn't prohibit gambling, then by all means you can go ahead and do so. If Christianity doesn't specifically prohibit gambling, then I don't see any reason why a religious leader can not preach and gamble responsibly, what really matters is the gamblers lifestyle, not the gambling itself.

The religious leader's reasons for gambling is very noble as far as I'm concerned, if he's dedicating his winnings to alleviate poverty, then he should be encouraged. I think that he's better than those religious leaders that will take from the poor and enrich themselves.

I think that it's not right for casinos to ban him because of his wins everytime because if he was losing that same amount they wouldn't consider banning him. But it's obvious that casinos don't like to loose, and if a gambler keeps winning they won't like him to be their customer anymore. If there's no evidence that he manipulates he's winnings, then the ban is not fair.

Lol, this post made my morning because I just can't stop laughing that the casino banned the Archbishop, and he said that he got his wins from revelations. It is funny that casinos are scared of losing but they love to see gamblers losing to them. This alone has shown that casinos are trap to collect our money when we don't gamble for fun.

I don't see anything wrong in what the religious leader did, because if he does not gamble all the time that he will become an addict, but gambles once a while for fun, it is not bad. Religious leaders drink alcohol and we don't say that it is bad.

Interesting case. I'll try to answer your question the way I see it..
I believe that a religious leader should not engage in gambling because he is not setting a good example. God revealed it to him and he wins, and another person who comes to his church may think that God revealed it to him too and go lose all his money. That is, the whole point is what example we set for others. If this is a leader doing anything, he must understand that many people can fall under his influence and will do the same, be it something good or bad.
As for the casino, I believe that it is their own business whether it should be banned or not. If they do not break the law, then they have the right to do what they see fit

No.

No.

Yes.

The casino's reason about stopping him is normal when they have one customer that keeps on cashing out money from him. But his reason about that it's given to him by his god is unbelievable.

While I know that there are faithful folks but him being an example as a bishop or leader of his religion, he should set himself as an example to his followers.

It's really wrong for them to think they will make certain amount of money from gambling, that's also the reason why they think gambling is scam, just because they can't earn from gambling, they judge gambling is scam. They didn't understand what house edge is and how the games work, they live in delusional since they will make money just like the influencers in social medias that are lucky.

As a good and God fearing religious leader shouldn't be involved in gambling because he/she knows that God forbid it, God just don't forbid all this just to favour him but to protect us from it danger, gambling is harmful to us, it can destroy our life and God love us that why he forbid all this things that will make our life useless.

God is the provider of everything we need and he promised to provide for anyone who seek from him, I think he just hide under the umbrella of religious leader to be a gambler, if someone forbid you from something he will never bring out positive things from there, so God will not reveal anything good for you that will go against is command.

I don't think casino have right to ban him because right from start they didn't set any rules like that, they are here to do business, if they can stop addicted gambler for gambling everyday because it is destroying his life then I will say they can ban him.

I personally do not care who gambles or not, because in this specific case we are talking about a sect. It would be different if the Pope started gambling, in which I would be personally against, because I follow him.
I am rather of the mentality all of us should be able to have the freedom to do what we want, while we do not inflict harm upon anyone else, in this case, that man is not inflicting harm.
Though, we could argue he is somehow harming and tainting the reputation of the Christian religion by claiming to be a prophet of some sort, but that is getting into religious debate, rather than gambling and the right all people above the legal law has to partake in this activity.

If you wanted my religious opinion,.I would say someone who claims to be a religious leader and wins consistently in gambling is likely to be being helped by "demons".

Just my two sats 🪙

As you can see, his “religion” is subordinate to money, and, as the OP correctly put it, he is the leader of a sect. But probably each of us understands what a sect is. This is where people, hiding behind faith in God, interpret the rules as they please and not as they are written in the holy books. Therefore, one should not be surprised that this “archbishop” is a player and serves mammon, not God. However, he walks on the edge if he believes he is doing pious deeds under the guise of faith.

From the article, the ban is not connected to his faith meaning gambling does not even contravene his belief,  rather that ban is purely business related, a case of the gambling companies protecting their business from bankruptcy.  I will say that the religious leader did not do well because as religious leading, even though gambling did not break any law both in his religion and country of residence, he ought to know that him gambling openly might be an endorsement of gambling and his followers might get involved without actually being well acquainted with the process of avoiding addiction and under-age gamblers. If he want to gamble, he would have done that secretly or through his aids. I know many religious leaders that do that in my neighbourhood and you will never know they are into gambling unless you are told. I think this ban will make him consider that option.

Is there any information on what game he is betting because he might be connected to someone that can provide information about fixed match since he has an influence to connect with people like that.

If his bet is just normal. Casino that reacting immediately with just 30K profit is probably small since they have the chance to recover it again since there’s always a possibility of human error.


It’s ironic to see religious leader doing gambling but still it depends on what’s their teaching towards gambling. I don’t find any problem if their religion is not against gambling.

They have the right to ban any user based on their discretion to protect their business.

I was always under the impression that religious leaders weren't paid for their services? So does this mean he was using the churchs money to gamble? Or am I misunderstanding and he gets some sort of compensation?

Regardless of the above, religious leaders prob need to stay out of gambling establishments if they expect their flock not to get the wrong idea about them. Casino's have the right to ban whomever they want whether we think it's right or not.

It's quite curious that this leader bets in only one casino if he has these Divine visions/advantage.
Why doesn't he go and bet in other places too?
It could also be that he has internal insides or actually has some tricks...
If he really had supernatural powers he would be betting in all casinos of the world ::)

Nope, he must be a model to his people especially if gambling is against their teaching, because if it is, it's just the same as stealing, and it's still a sin.

It's for the good purpose, and if that's the only way he can find to help people, then we can't stop him, and who are we to judge someone who is trying to help. Though it doesn't look good when a religious leader is gambling, but I would rather look at the purpose than judge him.


Of course, who would want to accept a gambler that keeps winning, it's better to ban him than suffer the loss of business due to bankruptcy.

This leader should go to a bigger casino, a casino that doesn't know him so he can make bigger money, but I doubt he really see vision from God, I believe he was just lucky.

I think gambling is a personal choice and despite the fact that it may be considered sinful in the eyes of many, am sure if he hadn't made others know he was a religious leader, he wouldn't have been treated the way he was treated.
Perhaps the acclaimed religious leader should go to another region or province where he isn't known, to gamble and check to see if truly he receives the vision of games to play and how to play.

The casino only did what they thought was right to save the reputation of their business more than the fear that he would reck them with his winnings.

The ban is not relating to his faith as a Prophet but simply the for the good of the casino to enable them ride there business. I have a bit of doubt that such casino would operate because many will sense it as incompetence and scam call, which I believe there are other reasons we do not know about, everyone gambles for a reason and entitled to there opinion as I would not context this to be Religious or God inspired win.

I believe the Acclaimed Prophet, preaches the need for gambling to this followers, so they win like him too and believe gambling is not a sin, because I know Christianity detest Gambling habits.

However, religious leaders are those who are role models, there is no way they can guide congregation members who follow them with the good teachings they say while their behavior is very bad and cannot be tolerated. On the one hand, gambling business owners certainly have a strong right to forbid people from playing at their premises, especially when those playing are religious leaders, which will certainly hurt many church followers.

Where's the moral of this religious leader he is an archbishop that's a few step to become a Pope if I am not mistaken this is Christian Church if this is true he can be reported and his position will be taken away from him the Roman Catholic hierachy forbid their leaders from directly engaging in vice the local casinos can report it to the higher Church authorities to punish this archbishop he is such a bad example to the oraganization.

He just want to justify his gambling, God will not lead his followers to vices or rely to gambling whether he uses the winning to help others he is promoting gambling and for people to rely on gambling, if this continue his followers will indulge to gambling that will result to losing money, reputation and relationships.

I think religious leaders are humans like any other, so they have the same needs every of us have, including to have entertainment moments to relief from stress of the daily life. So as long as they gamble responsively, I don't think it's an issue at all. However, the fact he is claiming to be consistently winning because God is granting it to him through visions it's worrying in my opinion, because it sounds like charlatanism.

It can be propaganda to give this man some notoriety in your country, so many people will go to him asking for predictions so they can also win from their bets. As consequence, he and his church get more popular, gain more devotees, and make more money, not through bets exactly, but through the people who are going to donate to the church and join his group. It's a profitable business which uses gambling as the perfect propaganda to attract other people who are also looking for financial prosperity...

That is the deal of modern churches nowadays.

First, let me say that the casino does have a right to ban him from playing on their casino, most especially if they perceive that his participation in gambling on their casino will lead them into bankruptcy, so, to protect themselves and their business, banning the prophet is very understandable.
But there is good news, and the good news is that, if one casino banned him, there are several other casinosdl for him to continue playing on, even the online casinos are there for him if he wishes to continue gambling.

Secondly, good motive or intentions is not a justification for wrong doing.
Though the prophet might sure have a good motives or intentions as to why he engages in gambling, but on the other hand, this does not justify the fact that what he is doing is wrong.
As a religious leader, he should teach people to work hard for their money, and not to gamble for it, alot of his members and believers are gonna go into gambling believing it to be a good source of income, and many of them are definitely going to lose monies they aren't prepared to lose.

Why bring religion to gambling at first place ? Let's just see it as a person who is winning money from gambling.
I don't agree to ban the user directly from gambling but we can restrict a gambler who is always winning money.
After a certain win if the gambler keeps winning then casino owners can impose a restriction on him because that's how they can keep the business running.

I believe because religion typically teaches that gambling is taboo or unethical to do due to greediness while the subject is a preacher of this teaching which show hypocrisy.


Is there any difference between banning to restricting? Both of this action has same effect to gambler since they can’t use the casino anymore to gamble. I believe limiting is the right term if you are pertaining to decreasing the amount of bet which players can put on his bets.

I hope he wasn't gambling with the funds of his church and his community, because we have already seen this kind of story from some priests. Usually to get big winnings you need to bet big stakes too. So I wonder if he didn't embezzle money from his church but this time he managed to be lucky enough to get some big winnings instead of losses. At casino games some people make profits even if they're not the majority of people.

Any casino that can ban their customers just because they are winning frequently, I will say the casino shouldn’t be trusted. If the customer is losing frequently, will they ban the account? If they can’t ban accounts because they are losing too much, then they shouldn’t ban account because they are winning. If casinos are banning accounts if their customers lose so much money and keep on gambling, then I will say gambling addiction won’t really be rampant. Casinos just want their customers to lose, because that’s the only way they can benefit. If customers are winning, then casinos are losing.

I know most religions are against gambling, but I don’t really see anything wrong with gambling, and the religion leader was even using the money won from gambling for things reasonable. Seriously,  I will encourage the religious leader to keep on gambling, and he should keep on supporting people.

Well, as a religious leader, there are some reasons he will give that can justify the fact that his gambling attitude is good. If truly he is winning and using the money to do good, then that's a good attitude of his, and it could also be true that indeed God is really showing him the games to bet on. 

I will not judge his gambling attitude because he is not compulsive, according to the story, and he is also using the money he wins to do good to his members. My only fear in this kind of situation is that what if his members decide to follow in his footsteps? There are some members who will want to be like their leader, and in the process, they can become addicted gamblers. That's my fear.

Lastly, I know it's nothing new for casinos to ban any customer that they see as a barrier to their business. Casino is the business of another person, and the casino owner is always praying to make a profit all day, and their profit comes from the losses of gamblers. They always wish for gamblers to continue losing, and if a gambler is always winning, the casino owner will find every reason to block the account.

What casino would ban a gambler for winning only $30,000? What's their win limits then? Does it commensurate with what they earn from the loses? How well do they make sales on a regular?
I don't believe this bro. Cut it! So they wanna include God in their monkey business now? If he was someone able to accumulated several wins from just wagering, then he's lucky. Simple!  Don't you ever involve Spiritual things in your side jokes.
Whatever decisions the casinos took was to their advantage, I believe.

Every religion have their own belief and rules when it comes to gambling, if that religious leader is spending his own money and its allowed on their religion then why not but the question is, is he using his own money to gamble? Casinos have the right to stop you especially if its affecting the business already and as long as they didn't freeze your winnings, I don't see any issue from this and this is not the first time the casinos stop a gambler from winning more.

Well, he has the rights to gamble as an individual and whether it has conflict with his belief, that'e him and we don't meed to do anything about it. Not all believers in the first place are firm followers of the teachings and that we all have our own sins. But going back to his grounds, he insists that what he is doing could be an outlet to help those who are in need. Question is, does this man really help others? Glad that he's winning but he should know what to follow for himself. If he considers gambling as a normal activity for entertainment then that would be fine but associating  our God in accordance with his stories won't because it could he an encouragement to other gamblers.
Indeed this should be considered. One must use his own money to avoid conflict of interest . It is easy to gamble and all as long as the money is not creating any issue between him and his church.

In my opinion, whatever the reason, religious leaders should not gamble, they are leaders and as leaders they should set a good example for their congregation to follow the path they follow, if leaders gamble, it is the same as them setting a bad example, regardless of whether the reason is to pay for schools or for good. other things because the gambling he won was the result of other people's losses, which means he received victory from the results of other people's suffering and that is a bad result for a leader who should give better results of their hard work and not gamble.

He is not suitable to be a religious leader if he gambles and makes money from gambling and he should not do that. Maybe if he were in my country he would not only be banned from coming to casinos but would have been boycotted as a religious leader because in my country strongly opposes gambling. Especially if the person playing it is a religious leader, of course the government doesn't like it because it is a bad act and will set a bad example for others.

Hahaha there have been quite lot of discussions about religion and gambling but this has given many varied responses because everyone point of view is different.

Basically, I completely agree with that if don't know anything or anyone, including the degree they have, they will definitely need money and will always do whatever they think is right to make money.
This is the instinct of every human being and it cannot be denied that everyone needs money to meet their living needs and be able to get decent life as they want.
Gambling continues to be one of the places where most people think they can make money more quickly and easily, even though this kind of thinking is not appropriate to maintain.

What is very unethical here is that he is religious leader and every religion certainly considers gambling not to be good activity, some religions even strictly prohibit gambling activities carried out by their followers.
But this is life in world where worldly pleasures are one of the things that everyone without exception always wants, it is difficult to understand context like this in more detail.

You are right. If it wasn't the prophet and just a normal person then it would have totally depended on the person whether to follow the religion and stop gambling or not but in this case since he's a prophet, it's ethically wrong for a person who teaches others not to gamble and gambles himself.


You are right again. The term should be limiting the user from betting so as to reduce his betting amount so that he doesn't make enormous returns.
I am saying this because I have seen this being implemented on a casino site.

I think it's just a coincidence or he really has more skills, there's no need to think too much about it that there is an ability from God for him, after all it's impossible for God to give him an advantage so that it can be used for gambling, I don't think so, right? Is God supposed to have everything? Why do religious leaders have to make money through gambling for the right thing, whatever we do is for the right thing but using money that comes from gambling doesn't seem ethical either, I think I'd rather not have any opinion about it. this matter.

But I will talk about my views on religious leaders in my country where they never visit gambling sites. They are devout religious leaders and they even really stay away from gambling, but it's strange to hear this story, whatever the reality is that everything that is done correctly is not necessarily completely correct, looking for Money from gambling is strictly prohibited in my religion and perhaps in other religions. The point is, if there is an advantage given by God, it should be used for something other useful, not for gambling.  ;D

I cannot believe what I just read,the bishop of some religious sect winning big through God visions.I never thought I would live long enough to read such a strange thing for me.While for banning him I don't think the religious leader should care much as he can open a crypto casino account under some of his followers so they know it is not him,he can tell his vision to this follower and tell him what to bet.Honestly I am a bit envious about such religious person getting the right visions from God,I wish I had someone who could tell me such visions,I would be making a whole lot of money by following this type of vision.Normally in life I am not superstitious yet this story makes me become one for a bit and as I said I am envious about such guys being able to accumulate excessive wins through sport betting.

He will obviously be having a congregation of gamblers  ;D
I live in a country where people look up to their religious leaders for guidance on how to live their lives. Anyone who happens to be a member of his congregation will definitely take up gambling as a lifestyle. It is not right for any religious leader to take up any lifestyle like gambling, drinking, smoking and clubbing, infact a religious leader should not be seen in certain places because his congregation will be watching and would want to emulate his lifestyle.
Not everyone should be a religious leader, obviously he is skilled in gambling, he should stick to that and avoid misleading his congregation into forming wrong habits.

A little bit off topic, but you are not supposed to feel envious about that alledged power which has been bestowed to the bishop of a sect. Assuming he is indeed getting privileged information or knowledge from some source which cannot be explained by science, that source definitely not God, but rather something or someone sinister. It does not matter whether one is Jewish, Muslim or Christian, the message is always the same, one cannot love money and God at the same time and greed has always been portraited as a source of evil among men. So would not be a contradiction for God to start giving the means to someone of a sect so they can accumulate much wealth?
So, do not be fooled by the aparent benefits that bishop is enjoying, he probably gave something in exchange of that information or ability to get information. I am not saying he is being helped by demons, but neither of us would dare to deny evil is real and it is out there.  :(

How did you see about the situation where the religious leader is using the wins from gambling to feed the poor, that means that he is doing something good inspite that he is not suppose to gamble because he might mislead his congregation in which they will think gambling is a means to make profit or earn a living.

Nobody knows if this religious leader is a true man of God, and is doing what he was directed to do by God. We are only talking from our own little understanding on religious practices. Sometimes what we condemn is not evil in the site of God, but our intentions and and good actions is what he considers.

A prophet for gamblers to the nation? come on, we're all grown ups. Even if we're all gamblers here, we all want what's the best for everyone. And with this guy, he's going to drag people into gambling while preaching in his congregration. And just because he's making statements that said that most of his bets are being 'god'-told for him, many are going to believe him with that. To be honest, he shouldn't gamble and preach at the same time. Many of these souls are going to be lost and misled by him.

If it's about the casinos ban, I think that he deserved to get banned not just for winning but because of his profession. And the casino is doing him a favor to stop and it's for their sakes that because of his vast winnings and the casino might just go bankrupt against him, they're also helping him to just stop and focus on his chosen profession and that is to cater souls and to preach the word in his hometown. A religious leader should be a perfect example despite that we've got flaws, but they should portray and show what's best for their members. But with what he does, he's going to be loved by his members because of the money that he's going to share with them but not with the word that he professed to spread.

Maybe because gambling is prohibited in their religion, place, or country, that is why. But even if not, it will still look inappropriate to see a religious leader do such an act as gambling, as we know that gambling is linked with many negative things.

In my opinion, it must be the opposite, like we can ban such individuals ( religious leaders ) and then allow a regular individual to win as much money as they can, as I see that this is also a problem in the gambling field (mainly in sports betting). If we lose a lot of times, they don't even complain, so they should try to be more fair sometimes because most of the times, they have a greater advantage than the players.

Are we like living in a fucked-up post-scientific revolution phase of the dark ages? Cause no way in hell the catholic church would allow someone like him to be at one of the highest seat of power in the Christian Power Hierarchy and still be able to gamble like crazy, regardless if he's winning or losing. People are getting ousted for the littlest things in the Roman Catholic seats of powers, a few weeks ago a UK priest was kicked out of his convent and stripped of his title as a priest cause he misappropriated his church's funds for powerups in candy crush. And here we have an Archbishop that is eagerly playing their shit and is even getting banned in casinos because he wins so much. Weird times man.

Every religion has their own beliefs and so we don't know bout their beliefs towards gambling. After all, only humans are creating such religious sects and making their own rules. So if that leader is involving himself in gambling, then, it is up to his followers if they will believe his teachings or whatnot. And I don't think it has something to do with his "God" why he is winning. For sure, he has strategies on why he got those winnings. Most of them will just use the name of their God so they can continue doing what they want to do in life.

That is obvious, the Catholic Church would never stand for something like this, if you pay closer attention to the OP information, you will realize this is the case of the leader of a religious sect which probably has little or no recognition by the  Vatican.
Only because a sect prays to God and virgin Mary does not automatically means they have the blessing of the Vatican or the Catholic Church as institution.

Anyways, I would be more worried on whatever it could be going on behind the walls of that sect. It is well documented sects are quite negative and harmful for those who join them, and it is likely that bishop uses those gambling earnings to keep his followers/victims attached to the sect and to himself. Have you ever heard or read about the tragedy of the People's Temple Church? It is an extreme example, but it is a good one on how bad things can go in a sect, specially in money is being used as a tool to manipulate people within.

Yes religious leader should be prohibited to gamble since this is a sin and he might be a bad influence to his followers for this activities he participate.

Also gambling might lead to corruption so to avoid getting into big trouble maybe that Archbishop should show some decency to his followers and drop gambling since it will never bring good to them especially if people doesn't have any knowledge on educating their selves about gambling.

I don't really believe about superstitious belief reasoning on gambling and maybe the pastor is just lucky at that time then the casino operator is just over reacting on the situation since maybe they don't have huge funds and want to eliminate those people who always win on their casino.

It certainly looks a little unusual, these are the first words that come to my mind after this news. This is what I think about it, if he plays and feels all the winnings should be given to those in need, such as sick children and other vulnerable people, then I fully support him and have nothing against it.

I'm interested in some of the questions I ask, for example, what would he do if he didn't start winning, but lost. Would he lose money from parishioners who gave him donations in his temple or personal money?

As for the casino, it is quite logical that it is trying to prohibit him from playing, but everyone has long known that it is almost impossible to win on a regular basis, then why is the casino afraid of him, do they really believe in his unusual ability to foresee the future. If so, then of course they will forbid him to play, but he will just go to the next one and that’s all.

Religious leader should not involved in gambling, no matters what is the reason. If he still do that, how he reminds other people in his arounds to stay away from gambling? People will not listen to him because he involved in gambling and they will still playing gambling to wins like him.

He can use the other ways to pay school fees and start bussinesses for members of his organization. He can asks for donation from his follower religion to helps others so he doesn't have to playing gambling. Some people can not accepts the money from gambling, especially if they believes that gambling is not a right way to have money.

If he claim that he receives winning games from God through vision, does he will still playing gambling? How and what will happens if he lose all of his money? He must thinks much to say like that, especially he is a religious leader for his organization.

Wouldn't this depend on their Church's teachings and what their section of that religion says about gambling. Article doesn't even say if he was gambling with his own money, or with the money of the church. And that makes a huge difference when we talk about morality of it.

But result was definitely good, if Emmanuel Mutumwa didn't happen to lie and use most of it for himself, and either this casino isn't secular and actually believe that god was involved, or they find out that he cheated, and that just got left out because of pr reasons of the church. This has fiction written all over it anyway if they just interviewed that religious leader and not the casino.

What ever the case is, apparently this casino shouldn't be anyone's first choice if they fear bankruptcy after $30k win.

I don't care whether his religion allows him to gamble or not, I just don't understand how he wins, I would like more details.
If he exploits some kind of vulnerability, then there is no need to ban him, you just need to fix this vulnerability and wait until the mathematics does its job and he loses all his winnings.
If he wins honestly, then this is only temporary luck and there is no need to ban him either.

Are we really on the last days as the Bible says? In the last days, you will see people doing all manner of things claiming that they got their powers or direction from God's name.

Many people have done unjust things claiming that it is revealed to them by God(a big lie). If God truly reveals them things, like gambling winnings, it is not supposed to be to them alone, if that's the case because we are supposed to be hearing different stories from different prophets claiming how God revealed a winning jackpot to them simultaneously. However, nothing of such does occur apart from his.

Nevertheless, It is clear to believe that the self-proclaimed prophet is not genuine. His powers are not from God, maybe somewhere else cos genuine christians will hardly engage in a firm like gambling that offers quick money without working for it.

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Gambling in christendom is not encouraged or supported by the body of Christ because of the destruction it causes in the life of a christian

i bet the angels would be confused to note whether it is a sin or not lol. but even so, a religious leader is not allowed to gamble because they not only bring themselves when doing various activities, but also the institution they lead. because how is it possible when he preaches to his congregation not to gamble, but he himself gambles, because as far as i know gambling is prohibited in christianity and he as a religious leader should understand this. even when he said that he gave his winnings to those in need, his actions are still not justified because the money is haram money.

Logically, gambling can harm yourself and others so that it can cause many people to experience losses, misery because they lose everything, and apart from that it can destroy a household because negligence can even distance us from God.
So in my opinion, religious figures who gamble indirectly set a bad example that will harm their followers. And I don't care what the reason is and what is certain is that there will most likely be some of his followers who will imitate him, and this is contradictory because most religions prohibit gambling, let alone their leaders.

I don't understand the rules in that country regarding gambling, so maybe it will come back to the regulations in that country and also the regulations on religion or whatever.

But in my country, gambling is prohibited. So, whether it is an ordinary citizen or even more so a religious leader, it is clearly prohibited. because if they still do gambling, then their followers can also join in gambling, because they see examples like that.

In this case, the aim was indeed noble. But the method is wrong. Shouldn't a religious leader already know that for goodness and glory, the methods and processes must also be good and noble, right? If it continues like this, then won't it actually create a risk of doubt among its adherents and could it even be that its adherents follow its lead to gamble?

So, in my personal opinion, it is not necessary, whatever the reason, as a leader or religious leader, he should be able to provide the best and noblest example according to his teachings. Don't give examples that conflict with the teachings, whatever the purpose.

and as far as I know, religions usually prohibit gambling, such as Islam and Christianity, or other religions, it seems there are also such prohibitions. But whether it's true or not, we don't see the situation directly.

Like what stated here:
Source: Gambling in Islam (https://www.learnreligions.com/what-does-the-quran-say-about-gambling-2004114)
Source: Gambling in Christian (https://christianindex.org/stories/commentary-10-reasons-why-christians-should-not-gamble,16521)

Casino winnings by a religious leader are attributed to divine intervention. The casinos are panicking and excluding the man. It begs several fascinating issues and is a classic conflict between faith and fortune

Should someone in leadership of religion gamble? Who then are we to criticize someone's spiritual connection? Who's to argue it's not real if the Archbishop honestly feels he is getting direction? Regarding the casinos, their response makes sense given their commercial viewpoint. But banning someone for overwinning? Would you say that seems a little...unsportsmanlike? Every person choose what they believe and how they want to lead their life

Exactly the point bud, I completely agree with you, it's almost like what I said in my previous comment, that doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is not justifiable, that is, when some one is doing what is clearly and absolutely wrong, but have a very good and genuine reasons for doing it, that reason won't serve as an excuse to be exempted from being punished when the time comes.

For most churches I've been and worshipped in, religious leaders have always preached against Christians gambling because it's against the Bible principles when it comes to making money and building wealth, but today, to find a religious leader himself gambling is sickening, and that raises the question of it that individual is truly called into the ministry to be a religious leaders, or that is just a profession he choose for himself? - the latter is possibly the more accurate answer.

It’s nonsense to connect faith to casino especially what you mention about divine intervention. No one in their right mind will consider it on gambling because they are conflict to the beliefs of religion. Maybe the casino owner just doesn’t want to suffer more losses due to the winning percentage of this player is alarming regardless of his religious status.


Agreed, no one should be deprived to gamble regardless of your status in life. It’s not unsportsmanlike but rather too scared probably he is living in a country which has a lot of superstition and beliefs about luck.  :D

This problem is not rational to link the casino with faith even he said there was divine intervention in his gambling activities and believe me his winnings were just luck on that day, I also think the same thing that the casino owner forbade him to gamble because he experienced high winnings and he had caused loss from that casino.

However, if it is claimed that he can win the casino with divine help, but why doesn't he try at other casinos and online casinos, maybe he has the opportunity to become a billionaire if he can prove this claim.

Funny that my local church always ran gambling of one kind or another but it was purely done as a charity run game with all prizes donated then tickets acting as donations.

In this case I have to wonder where the Archbishops money would be coming from.  Surely if you stand to possibly lose your money gambling it cannot be the churchs money, it is not your money to lose or risk.   Saying I know I will win is a bad example to the congregation, if they do they same they will lose their family their homes maybe.

If the money was his own personal capital to risk and gamble then I cant object especially if he donated all of the winnings.   The casino complaining about going bankrupt sounds like they are close to doing so anyway, if they believe its fraud maybe they are afraid to say so before being able to prove it.

Honestly this is a funny post and I still keep wondering what the casino would have to ban him because he is winning high at the casino. This should not be a good reason why the casino would have to ban him from using their platform to bet and make money for himself. Gambling can be fun when we are making consistent money from different bets we are playing.

 I think their are other people too that had been ban from using different casinos because it has been noticed that they are always making profits which is taking their money. Why would a casino be angry when a gambler is making money from their platform? At least their should be gamblers that would be making and others that would be losing so their would be funds to pay others.

But, if the reason is about big wins, then I think billionaires can do it too but why don't they ban billionaires from playing and instead ban religious leaders like the one in question. After all, if gambling is basically not prohibited in that country, then of course everyone or everyone from any background can gamble. After all, it would be completely unreasonable for a bookie to ban a gambler just about the gambler getting a big win. After all, if their reason is to ban gamblers from winning large amounts, then they also don't need to ban someone from certain backgrounds as intended in this thread. So yes, the point is that it is very strange when bookies ban gamblers for getting big wins, unless they have certain restrictions which of course the rules can be better for them too.

As far as I know in most religions gambling is forbidden and any person who practices it is considered a sinner, now I don't know a lot about all religions but I think that if that country allows gambling then any person can gamble freely.

If someone didn't do anything against the casino rules then I don't see a reason why he should be banned. However this person is claiming to be a prophet and has people following him and joining his religion it shows that he has a big influence there. But we shouldn't forget that casinos are businesses and they look for their own profits, if they see a risk to lose they directly go and take actions which is completely normal but I prefer that there will be a decent logic reason behind banning anyone from their casino.

We are all sinners and there's no exemption to that since we are just that human beings. Even into those leaders who do preaches out the word of God but silently dealing up with those things which are prohibited on which it isnt really just that limited to gambling alone but other aspects or things in life then they are still considered sinners. The thing on here is that whenever these people seen out on doing something which is really that totally opposite on what they do preach then this is where it do really gets that kind of attention on which this isnt really that shocking anymore. There are really just that those people around who do make
issues that becomes big but well it would really be just that a normal reaction specially on church leaders.

As for Gambling casinos POV, then banning those people who do often win would really be sure that be done by them yet they would really be hating up those who do win up. They would really be just that making it as an alibi about into its position or recognition but eventually this is really just that trying to cover up their true intent which trying to get rid on someone who could milked out their platform.  ;D

I saw him trending on Twitter and I just laughed so hard. It's simple, if he said God is given him revelation to gamble and win money it's not something to feel good about, since he has been ban and not allow to gamble in the casino, let him try other casino and do the same magic and win and proves that the revelation is coming from God and there is no any sort of foul play by him or cheating the casino to deceive the public about his fake prophetic lifestyle.

Most of this men of God, I don't blame them though. It's the congregation that chose to remain brainwashed and blind and doesn't see anything outside the lies been spoon fed them by this scammers, no wonder they say when a man is too religious, he becomes too lazy to see somethings that are right in front of them. If they see black, if their so called prophet says it's white, they will agree with him and choose white as he did. End of generation signs.

Yes, with a lifestyle like that it will have a bad impact on his followers to do the same thing, such as giving an example that religious leaders also gamble so that gambling seems legal for anyone who wants to gamble even though in other environments it is strictly prohibited so it depends on the leader. If the leader is good then his followers will do good things. If the leader does deviant things then his followers will do the same thing. Every leader must already know this. Every attitude he will adopt must be maintained in such a way as not to be judged badly by society. .

If he really wants to gamble, he shouldn't do it openly. Gambling is everyone's right, but as a religious leader, it's better not to gamble, but if his desire is very high, it's better to do it secretly and not be known by his followers. That's better than being open. which gives him a bad name and he will be judged as a bad religious leader even though whether a person is bad or not is not judged by whether they gamble or not but by the nature of their personality.

Though there is no actual place in the bible that talks about religious leaders involving in gambling but the bible made references of how the love of money is the root of all evil 1st Timothy 6vs9-10 and also we cant serves two masters at thesame time either we chose money or chose God (Matt. 6:24). The reasons why religious people should avoid gambling is due to addiction because constancy will Leed to addiction which is not good for a religious leaders you can take a look here (https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/does-bible-mention-anything-about-gambling) to see what the bible says about the love of money

Whatever reasons he did such thing is between him and his believe. If you ask me wether it's right for the gambling site to ban him, I will say it is within the Power of the gambling site to take any decisions when they see an unusual wining because the reason for any casino is to make money and not to get into bankruptcy.

He should not gamble, not only because it is a sin that many religious adherents believe in, but we also cannot deny that gambling often makes players more involved so that it can interfere with other activities, especially if they are religious leaders where there are many congregations that they have to take care of.
The reason he gave was just an excuse and tried to cover up his love of gambling. If he wanted to be able to share then there were other things he could do that weren't gambling.
And of course casinos have the right to ban anyone they deem worthy of being banned from playing at their casino but banning will only make players look for other casinos, not make them stop playing forever.

In my opinion, the casinos are wrong in banning the religious leader from gambling, because he is a person who has the same rights and duties in society as other people. The casinos know very well that this story that the religious leader wins because God helps him, is a big lie, if the religious leader really had special powers that allow him to be successful in gambling, then the religious leader would be playing the lottery because it pays more money, imagine if the religious leader had the power to see the future, then he could see which numbers would win the lottery and he would buy the ticket containing the winning number of the lottery and with that he would win many millions, because in the lottery he won a lot money. and since this religious leader says he plays to help his believers, then he would have a lot of money to help his believers. By this I mean that it is obvious that the religious leader is skilled at gambling, he does not have any superpowers and it is not God who is helping him. That's why I think casinos shouldn't ban him from playing

People are still intelligent to understand what's wrong and what's right. While it's true that many are blinded by their leaders, I hope that those that are being blinded will go to the right path and light.

We can just hope for them that they'd see a pastor, a priest or leader of their faith that are doing the right thing and will avoid activities like gambling.

No question to the casino for allowing such personalities and have it banned as everyone is free of their choice whether in gambling and in faith.

But as we hope for the goodness sake, there should be some wake up call to the members of his church.

Though there is a possibility that he might be getting signals for his bets from somewhere, I wouldn't that's the reality, and the fact that he keeps winning is probably related to the fact that he doesn't keep the money for himself but uses it for the needy and the creator cannot help but like such things done from human beings and those who does that are supported for sure.

I wouldn't say that he is doing something wrong but based on the fact that he is a religious leader, I think he shouldn't be gambling in the open because religions mostly prohibit this and even if he using the money for a good cause, he is basically not allowed to do it.

About casinos, I wouldn't blame them because they have the right to do that when they see a gambler getting excessive wins because they can't close shop just because a single gambler has won everything they had, so they have to take some action for such things.

The casino owners are wrong in banning him, the casino should be open to everyone. The casino wasn't open so that people will keep losing. Moreover there is no sure way they can completely stop the man from placing his bet. If they don't allow him to enter he can give the game to someone else to go and play for him and bring the slip for him. If the casino are scared they should close the casino and move to somewhere else.

As regarding religious leaders gambling, it won't be nice to see my pastor in same casino hall gambling with me. If he must gamble he should play it online or give it to someone to go play it for him. Due to the perspective of how people view religious leaders. If the religious leader said he is using the wins to take care of the less privileges I support him let him go ahead and continue playing. But my own is just that he shouldn't be going to the physical casino so that his followers will not perceive him differently.

There is nothing wrong with anyone gambling as long as gambling is legal and allowed within the country they are residing, but when it comes to religions and religious leaders, it becomes a different matter because a person leading others in religion, giving and teaching them lessons about doing good things and staying away from things that can be harmful to them, and maybe preaching that things such as gambling, alcohol, and sex aren't considered good if such a person is found doing any of those acts, it's not justifiable by any means.

It might be true when he says that he spends all that money on orphans or to help the needy which is the reason why he is winning, but even that reason doesn't justify the fact that he is supposed to be leading the people of his religion, and he is not supposed to set an example like this for those who follow him.

He must thinks twice before he continue playing gambling because his position as a religious leadership. He can makes his followers doing the same as what he did and when those people can not holds themselves in gambling, many people will becomes addicted to gambling and even he will becomes addicted to gambling.
Casino site can not ban him as he is just a user and will lets him still playing gambling so that needs his awareness to consider what the meaning of gambling for him. He must realizes that gambling will not gives money for him easily and he can lose his money anytime.
But he should not gamble to make money and needs to find out the other ways to have money for his plan. Many people may do something to helps him, especially if he have a good plan that wants to helps other people.