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Yes Im waiting crisis when i can buy finally land and Property everything is so expensive.
But war will make better prices in every bad there is something good war it's not good thing but at least you could buy something cheaper after war.

Oh what a crazy reminder of back in the days during when we experienced complitical conflict in my place, it was a disasterous that due to political interests, citizens fought and killing each other all being manipulated by politics and then there was massive interests of real estate and landed property owners to sell their assets and properties so that they can change residential location all to safe their lives.
It really felt bad to see properties worth of $10,000 is been sold on destress at $4-6 thousand dollars.
This is why bitcoin investment has been a hedge to store values against natural disasters and economy inflations.
If I must tell you OP, remember that it landed property owners and real estates investors can sell their assets and properties in such critical terms, at you own time, you'd also have to sell on distress or you lost it all when there's a revolution of crisis. Just be aware.

In other words you are waiting for another war to hit?

You understand that if war does happen, cost of everything will go up, including property? Because old properties might get destroyed, new property costs may rise and so will the cost of living and building something.

I dont know if you have seen a post-war country in real life, but those who have do not give a merry experience. Poverty, miserable life and destruction are the terms they usually apply.

You might have your arguments, but this is my opinion.

Sorry to say this, how you can be so sure you will survive after the war ended? ???

But, let's imagine if WW3 happen, you own the real estate (land and buildings) ownership, you carry and protect it at all cost, but after WW3 ends, other country taking over your country. I don't think your ownership is still valid because anything will belong to the new country and you can't do anything since they have more power than you.

I see your thought as a selfish one. How are you sure you will survive conflict or war? You cannot predict the outcome of the war. It might lead to the loss of lives which might include you, family members, or friends. Many people in war zones don't care about money or property because life and safety are more important. Wishing that there should be a crisis before you buy a property is not ideal. It means if there is no war in your lifetime, you will not invest.

It will be better to plan to invest with what you have now. And if you ever have the opportunity to buy cheap properties, you can buy them if you have the funds.

LOL If his prayer is answered that's what will happen. invasion of his country is the worse. I sure wouldn't want that to happen in my own country but seems like each country today has an enemy coming once WW3 come.

We are going WW3 as we know it. If he ain't spending his money now, he will lose them all. If he can afford it now, buy the land and build a bunker.

OP you should change your line of thinking, war benefits no one because of the carnage and wanton destruction that comes with it, you yourself don't have any guarantee that you will survive the war so as to enable you buy those cheap things you're proposing. Is better to call for a state of emergency on your countries economy to help improve the healthiness of your country's economy so citizens could be able to have good purchasing power and prices of goods can be steady, because calling for crisis to bring forth an opportunity to help you buy properties on a cheaper rate looks parochial to me and shouldn't be encouraged.

 Hope you know that war don't use to bring good thing to community, and the person you think, he or she will going to sell his or her land or property during the war maybe the person will be the one to survive during the war, I know that this kind thought can come out from lazy people because if you have money to invest in land and property business, you don't need to wait for crisis to happen before you can invest which you can start saving money that will allow you to buy land and property at anytime and wait for a long time before you can sell them to make a good profit, who told you that you can't buy cheap things in this season, when you have the money, but if you don't have money, it will make you see things in a high price which is what is happening to you.

I have some money on the "sidelines" for similar type purchased.  Not necessarily land, but just things that I'd like to buy right now but feel they are overpriced and with interest rates being so high, it's hard for me to justify purchasing them right now. 

I have simply been saving money for stock market crashes.  It's hard to know when to hang on the sidelines and when to buy things.  This can really take a lot of time, and things might continue to get worse for you as time goes on, and you may never get that opportunity you expected to get.  It's a tough gamble at times.

Don't even think of war because I doubt if you will be alive to buy a cheap land or Property. You talk as if war is a better thing. Go and ask people who have experienced war, like the Russian and Ukrainian, you would never dream of war talk more of buying a landed property. If I where you I would take advantage of bitcoin. Bitcoin keeps increasing in price the more investors troop into it. I wounder why people will be thinking of the impossibility while possibility is prostrating in there front. Do you know you may wait for war and war may never happen till you die or you may never survive war when it happens, the easiest way is to buy bitcoin because it is volitille and limited in supply, there is a high tendency that you will make more profit in the nearest future than expecting your so called war.

Let's skip the fact that this is very selfish and dark, I don't think you understand what war is. Even if a war doesn't happen, but an economic crisis you said, do you think you'll be able to afford real estate? We're not in a war and see how expensive things are, but somehow you're convinced it will get better when there's a crisis? Funny.
When there's a war/crisis, inflation is on the rise and buying a property would be the last thing on your mind because you'll only be bothered about survival. People who have money to buy things that are not necessarily during a war time are people who can afford them before that time and since you can't afford it now, you won't be able to afford it then.
This is because inflation during war world be at an ATH and the price of food will be so expensive that you'll only focus on getting food and other necessities with every little money that you make and don't forget that your money won't be worth much due to inflation.
So I'd like you to think again when you're wishing for war, but this time put everything into consideration. 

and how are you sure that you're going to survive the war? Sometimes it's better we don't wish ourselves certain things  and end up failing victim during such time. Alot of things happens after war has taken place and although one of them is that it's possible to buy things at a cheaper rate, the disaster that comes with it isn't something we should think of talking about.

If you experience war in your locality, do you have the slightest idea  the social amenities that would be destroyed? There are wars that could be fought for just one year that will take at least 10 years to come out of the post war effect on people's lives. Thinking about buying things at a cheaper rate at that time is so miopic and the truth is that you aren't sure if the banking system will still work the way it currently his now or wether or not your wealth before the war started would be preserved after the war.

You don't need to wait for the war to buy any asset. Yes, the properties that you can buy maybe cheaper, but at such period, do you think you have the luxury to buy such investments?
That is true, if you have the means, why wait? You can always sell those assets in the future, when you feel you already have a good deal with what you purchased.

But if you have more than enough funds to buy during recession or crisis, you can do so. High-risk opportunities can give you high-rewards later on. However, you need to carefully choose what assets to venture into.

In the time of crisis or a war every individual is affected, companies and businesses are not excluded. The businesses and economic life do not just take a halt, there is a chance of loss of property as well. There is no guarantee in the time of war that whatever you have stored or saved as asset will survive. This is a good reason not to wish for crisis or wars.  If anyone wishes to buy a land or invest in properties or do not have the money to invest and purchase at once, there are plans that some property agents can introduce to you that can help you get a property and pay in installment.

Remember, there is never a bad time to buy land / property.  Only a bad time to sell it.

High interest rates usually result in lower real estate prices, lower rates higher prices - and a high rate can be refinanced when rates drop.

 

Don't wait for war or crisis, if you really want to only think about profits and don't care about lives then go to a country where there is an war, please do it your way. Is this effective? It's ridiculous and stupid when still feel like you're in a war situation, you can still think about investing, etc. In fact really have to go there without having to wait for a crisis or war in your country. In that part of the world there is still war going on so immediately bring a stack of fiat and buy every piece of land there is. Don't expect you to feel comfortable with these words. There's no point in accumulating fiat if can't save your life. Damn today I met someone with strange thoughts.

OP, you dropped a random thought here and IMO it's not worthy of its own thread, especially since I have no clue what country you're in and what war has to do with real estate prices wherever you are.  Tip:  if you're going to start threads, at least put some kind of mental effort into them and elaborate on what you're trying to say, or else all you're going to get are idiots making replies to tangential topics.


That sounds like permabull thinking, which I hear more often in the precious metals markets (and crypto, too).  So respectfully I'd have to disagree, because there's no asset I can think of that's only worth buying and not selling.  If that were strictly true, then half the market for whatever asset we're talking about would consist of fools 100% of the time, i.e., sellers.  Plus I can give an excellent example of a bad time to buy land or a house--when you can't afford the mortgage.


Not being a real estate guy myself, I don't know if that generally holds but it doesn't seem to be at the moment.  Interest rates are higher than they have been in decades and yet real estate prices are soaring.

I was just talking about this the other day that everything has been so expensive nowadays, there's no exception to this rising cost of everything. I spoke it out that soon this bubble of real estate might come to pop and there will be a reset too with it. I don't even know how long until we're going to see that or we won't see that happen anymore and the price stabilizes as these sellers have been selling their properties a lot.

On the affected lands of the war, the land prices there will definitely go down. But the effect of it entirely, due to the oil consumption of these tanks, trucks, and planes that they'd use for it, the demand goes higher and the affection of globally is no one can endure. Unless the self-sufficient countries have their own oil rigs and depos, they will just ignore us crying how the cost of everything has been rising a lot. There is nothing good with war, people want no war and that's much better.

That is just selfish.

A war is not just an opportunity for you to continue living your privileged life. Wars actually destroy homes and polishes off generations of families. Kids are no longer given a chance to continue growing up.

Yes you could find something good in wars but this does not mean we should actively wait much less hope for it.

You're saying like you're gonna be the one getting all the benefits if a war occurs meanwhile in reality its gonna be catastrophic event for the entire country economy your likelihood of buying properties gonna plummet because you're gonna be more concerned about surviving.
you just never expect anything good coming out of war, having no war is better than having war and economic crumble.

also, investing when crisis could gets you things at less expensive price indeed, more likely undervalued if any but you should also remember human population increases where land stays the same, main culprit of housing price skyrocketing because people want to live in a centralized place where all the public facilities available. but, there's limited lands to build on and the inflation does cause the price to surge. so actually the housing price rise for a reason and remember when pandemic occurs, the economy was messed up but the housing price surge instead, it's usually something like stocks that plummets even then it is only limited to sector that requires physical interaction, the IT sector are flourishing.

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War is obviously a bad thing, just like any Black Swan event that causes the price of assets, commodities, stocks, goods to crash. If you are able to take advantage of the prices crashing for the benefit of you & your family then good for you. I would just add that we might not see prices crash much further so don’t rely on something which may not happen. We also look likely that a recession will be avoided.

Waiting for the price to dip is great strategy from investing perspective but do you mean the crisis as war or just the dip?

If you think the former then it's wrong idea and I want to point out what happened in Syria, after the civil war everything was ripped apart and you can buy real estate cheap there but what's the use there is no potential to grow any further so being real estate investor needs future vision not just money making thoughts.

If he was from Syria, he would have bought already but right now he expects war. Don't know where he resides, I'm sure he hasn't been to a real war yet. War is traumatic to people living in ground zero, they wouldn't even think of any business at all other than help and aid. War takes years to be over, just look at Ukraine vs Russia. He'll realize this if he isn't the first to fall dead when war breaks.

This is the same question I wanted to ask if op is going to wait for war to take place before getting properties. I understand that this era things are very hard but still we still need not to give up. Their is no guarantee that even at war buying property will be cheap, war is another crisis that people may even found it very difficult to have access to money just like in this difficult time that their is no war but still people are being affect by high inflation which they can't even afford things for themselves. I'll advice op not to give up and still be consistent doing the things that generates money for him, the future is bright and it is possible to achieve a lot.

You are one of the craziest people because you are waiting for a crisis to buy land and property, usually people have more mature planning for this. My question is why wait for it to happen to buy? Almost most people hope it doesn't happen because it will worsen the economic situation and the ongoing war will affect human life for the worse. The action you expect is a mistake because even if it doesn't happen you can still buy land and property.

What if your financial resources are also lost after the war and can you still buy it. Just look at how countries that experience prolonged war are their lives not okay. If you want to invest in these two models, you don't need to wait for war and you can buy in other ways for the desired assets.

The most important thing in life is the desire to carry out activities calmly and safely. Indeed, war cannot be predicted, even small things can trigger conflict. If you want to look for war-torn land, you may have to buy it outside your country if you are not there. how tiring it is to have to manage the land. The nature of investment is to buy when the price is really cheap and hope that the price will return many times over, the link is almost worthless (too cheap = crisis / not functional for the business) but it is expensive/the price is worth it because of the strategic angle to function as a place operational. I agree that your business desires are big, but if you are looking for land and property on used land like that, there are minuses that you have to think about in the long term, except for occupying it yourself. It's better to buy in a decent area because in a safe country, of course property prices will be better and faster, I'm talking about increases, today's prices in the future could be 10x or even more than expected.

When there is a crisis, perhaps many people will sell their property or land to get cash and sell it cheaply, but who can guarantee that the crisis will only last a short time, because if it lasts a long time then you will also start experiencing cash difficulties and eventually have to sell your land or property at a cheaper price to finance your life because food prices are rising high
Your mindset is like someone who wants to make a profit when times are difficult, but in the future, you will also experience difficulties. Land and property prices are high and you have to work hard to make money to be able to buy it, not hope that there will be a crisis that makes it cheap and you buy it.

I think it's too complicated to carry out, isn't it that purchasing property at this time when the country is in normal conditions is very profitable, and of course we can enjoy the income we get. If the post-war period certainly requires time for rehabilitation, there will be many problems that must be faced. The property business is currently very attractive, especially as more and more people need a place to live, so the availability of land is decreasing, and that's what we use to make a profit.

I would say that it doesn't matter if you are in the warzone itself, or if you are in a totally different place, I would assume that the economy gets damaged no matter where you are. For example you think USA economy did not get hurt by the war between Ukraine and Russia? They have collected trillions in taxes, and yet spent billions of it for Ukraine's defense, that feels like it is not hurting? They could have spent those billions on their own citizens and they did not.

That's just one example, like for example Belarus is right there, or Poland, they are very near, you think they got nothing? Of course they probably got hurt too. Anyone who has any deals with Russia or Ukraine got hurt too, look at Europe and their energy crisis. So you do not have to be in the warzone.

War will not gives a bad and only bring sorrow to people. When war happen, many things could be expensive, especially for our daily needs. Perhaps that can impact to the land and property price because they needs to live so you should have more money to buy. I can not imagine if war is happens because that will be a difficult situation and condition and we will not thinks about other things and just wants to buy something that can helps us survive. When the war happens, we must concentrate to our life and how we can survive in the war. That will be up to you because you have the plan so you must knows when you can buy land and property.

It should be so because buying property or land in normal conditions can also generate profits. Land prices continue to rise all the time because of the need to build so buying land can also generate profits at any time. Likewise, property and business in this sector are also quite promising now because the need for property is increasing all the time. War will cause damage and it takes time to restore the economic sector and especially regarding the reconstruction of buildings and so on that were destroyed after the war.

The impact of war is no joke because all sectors will experience weakness and the normal life that we want will definitely take time to recover. I don't understand how OP wants this, but in my opinion he doesn't really understand the impact of the war that occurred and may have never felt it.

I have to agree with you. War does not makes things cheap but everything turns expensive. Otherwise, if you are expecting for cheap properties and assets, probably those might be in trouble and are damaged. It’s still best to acquire land and properties when they are in their best form and condition, rather than seeing then with great damages, something that would be hard to attract buyers at all.

Your mindset might be quite different from everyone here, as you are still waiting for a war to happen before you work out with your plans. Sorry but I find it quite greedy on your part.

Yes, bro, the hope is to buy assets at a cheap price after the war, instead of making a profit, he is at a loss, he never thinks about the future after the war, will he still be alive or dead after the war, will the war stop quickly or take a long time, thoughts like that, he only thinks about himself without thinking about the fate of other people. In my opinion, he is a very selfish person, he cares about his own benefit but doesn't think about other people's losses. This kind of character cannot be imitated and must be thrown away as far as possible.

Exactly, this short minded take won't do good, not to mention that right now with tighter regulation in regard of mortgage, the housing bubble will have smaller chance of happening again, as a realistic person, I don't expect there to be sudden crisis that could make the price of lands and real estate to decline.
I think OP here just trying to justify war as well which honestly kinda insane. because from my idea, i'd prefer to hold off delaying myself buying property than having a war which impact usually devastating.
we all know even with current ongoing conflicts in various places, and the wars occuring it has impacted so badly to the worldwide economic, why anyone could think adding more war could give them opportunity.

yes he can buy a house but he won't have money for something else as anything becomes more expensive due to supply and demand.

if OP want to buy land and property you work hard, pump that income up then you can buy all those without wishing disaster upon people, I think the opportunity to become rich right now is more accessible than ever, anyone just need to take advantage and leverage.

That will depend on each item, not all items will decrease in price and not all items will increase in price when a crisis occurs, and it also depends on each country. If the OP is from my country then he's probably right, the prices of essential items such as food, gasoline, electricity...all increased by 30%-40%. But land and real estate prices in my country are quite cheap compared to previous years because the business situation of many businesses is at a standstill, many businesses and stores have to close and return their premises because of business losses.

It sounds harsh and a bit greedy when we take advantage of other people's difficulties to enrich ourselves, but in business it's called strategy. Just like investing in bitcoin, when you want to take profits or want to sell at a high price, there will need to be someone to buy at a high price and they even lose money. But that is how the financial market works, they cannot call you greedy or evil just because you win.

There are a few wars going on right now. One of them is unfortunately raging in my own country. I took a look at our real estate market, and, unsurprisingly, the prices went down significantly. However, if you buy property somewhere where the war is going on, you gotta understand that at any point in time, your property can be destroyed, and who knows when and how you'd be able to get resources to rebuild. Also, if the front line is changing, what you buy might feel safe and become very unsafe over a few months and nobody would want to live there. So it's not so simple.

First of all, Hope you and your family are safe!

Even with a war that is not on your country, prices in your country can still be affected. For instance if some of the resources are sourced out from a country in war then you can expect some of the prices in your country to go up due to lack of supply.
Exactly. Wars rarely end after a short time.

Sometimes, it’s just an area with all the political tensions between two nations. Sometimes a country is controlled by another country and the living conditions are just very poor. Why would you buy real estate there? Price is not the only thing to consider.

Like what? You are praying for war to come so you can make all your ambition came true? But did you ever imagine what will you experience if that time comes? or do you still have money to use after the war ends? Since for sure that crimes will be rampant and there would be chances that your money will be stolen or you use all of it to make your family safe from danger. So at the end for sure that you would provably lose all your asset in that crisis.

So maybe try to eliminate those wrong thinking and better do reality checking since for sure before those things you think to happen the price of real estate assets will soar high. And by that time for sure you will regret again that you didn't buy when the price of asset is quietly affordable to you. Remember also that inflation rate goes higher and higher so your savings will get affected with this events.

What a genius you are. Do you think that when there is war you can still develop your land? there will be high inflation, hunger, chaos, and many other bad things resulting from war and it will make you miserable. Do you still hope that you can buy land and develop it safely when all that happens? You can't even be sure that you will survive the war, and how can you be sure about buying land and living prosperously after that?
My advice to you is, just hope for good things in your life and do what you can do today. There's no need to expect something like that to happen because you don't understand how terrible it is.

if a war had occurred, the atmosphere would have been very uncertain and that would have happened, everything can be considered with a very high level of inflation and this is a normal thing to happen after the war is over, maybe we still have money to spend, buy land or property and with that, people's purchasing power will decrease because this was due to people's unpreparedness for the increase in inflation that occurred, they needed food and clothing more at that time.

I'm really confused about how to respond to this. How can someone expect such a big negative thing to happen to gain such a profit?
Believe me, when war and crisis really happen, we will actually suffer quite a lot. War is a complicated thing, it's not so easy that it can come back again. Someone who is involved in a war zone will not think about selling property or anything else but rather how to improve their own mental and self-confidence. It's not as easy as after the war then I would buy property cheaply and easily. Yes, it's not certain that we ourselves or our families will still be able to survive the war. Because this is war, right?

This is a simple answer, but indeed deep. 
It's true, we don't know whether we can still live or not after the war. Or whether our efforts and our finances in crypto will be successful or not after the war. The point is, never hope for war to gain personal results to gain various benefits.

Do you really know the disadvantage of war? Because for those that experience the war always talking about it and do to their explanation the war is not bringing any achievements to the community, stated that the war will make the price of goods become cheaper and better.

I don't think that will be possible because if may observe you just want the war should occurred so that you can achieve your aim, that is what they called impossibility can never be possible because is that happen the kind of situation you are going to face won't fevor mate.

War and crisis is an opportunity to make money especially in weapon business but you are a human being that breath, your objective is dark because you literally want to see people hurt to your own advantage and that's very bad, remember that you have family and friends that will die in the process, there are innocent that will loss and become financially crippled because of your interest just to buy land and property and don't forget that you will be affected as well.

I just know that some countries will have bead with each other and send bombs to each other but some countries will never go into war unless they are offended and force to start a war. Not every one will turn to beast and join the so-called world War 3 that some advantageous people are looking. Don't be surprised that you might not see any crisis and war till the day you will the bucket, it's possible.

Crisis really is the best time to buy properties just like in cryptocurrency when we see bearish market there are always sellers a lot of them and this is the time whales and wise investors come in. But if we are talking about real time crisis then yeah I think we should atleast have capital so we can buy the best we can.

If we could remove war from the question, we could still make this work. I mean lets assume that you live in a nation that doesn't have war, will that nation never have any economical crisis ever? Look at USA for example, they had 2008 bubble burst, which made most of the houses worth peanuts, some were even given for free in exchange of the debt they are owed, banks took over houses in seizures and sold them for incredibly cheap just to recoup the debt.

If you had money, you could have bought so many houses for very cheap. A house worth 100k to 150k could be as little as 60k those days, and if you spent 600k to buy 10 of them, you could have held them long enough to sell them for 1-1.5 million, no wars required at all.

The aftermath benefit of war is not even something you should look into even as a joke. The disadvantages is much more than the advantages and anything that will comprise of taking someone’s life is not something that can be settled for. It is very important to understand that humanity should always be above any other thing no matter how important it is to you to achieve it in life. The objective of war is always clear and most of them are for selfish interest and nothing else. War is bad but some people use it as opportunity to get something which to me is very bad. War affects every sector of the economy and that’s why it is been used as bait to get across to others where the benefit is needed in.

Where are you residing for you to be praying for this kind of thing to happen, war isn't something you should wish on any country as war is destructive. You might be the biggest loser in the war because you can lose those you call family. If investing in your country has become too expensive, you can move to investing abroad (in other foreign countries) as investing has no limitations. You can stay in your country but all your assets are in another country that has a more productive economy. If you can't buy the physical property, you can buy share online and get revenue from dividends or selling then shares after hodling them

If all the things I said isn't possible for to you to achieve them, then you can invest in Bitcoin and make similar profits to land investment, praying for war just to have an avenue to invest in your country isn't a good Idea to have. Land and real estate business are very lucrative business and you don't have to wait for the price to come down before you invest because in some areas that never happens and if you are to buy today, you could still make profits when you want to sell because the values keeps increasing so you don't have to pray for war but get buying immediately.

The problem is there are millions of people out there with the same "plan" and many people with deeper pockets who are also primed to go when a recession hits. It's true that you'll definitely find bargains in a recession, but if you consider on average they are 8 years apart you might be waiting 10 years for your moment to arrive. In the meantime you might have paid off an average priced lot and progressed further in life. Unfortunately if you think property is expensive, you might be disappointed by how little it moves in a recession as people tend to hold on to it than cash out - people who have invested everything into property will cut all other expenses first before losing their home or most precious asset.

Waiting for a market to become rational so it crashes before you buy is not a bad idea, however it seems you want to wait until a war takes place to do this, and I am sorry to say this to you but it does not seem as if you have any idea of how brutal war can be, at the time the only thing that matters is to keep your life, so even if a piece of property was being given away, if that particular area is contested between two armies, there is no point on living there since it will be destroyed soon anyway.

I have already this on my plan to look out for cheap properties so that I can rent them and from it while paying mortgages.

But currently, I have already given up and stopped for the moment because I don't think that they're worth it to take. I don't know where these expensive prices are being pulled from.

Every single property that I am looking for whether they're in the city or countryside, they're all expensive and way out of my ranges and budgets. That's why it's disappointing but if you're able to get one, do it.

Because I think that they'll get more expensive.