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Seen a video released recently about how the video game industry had been trying to reinvent itself by offering a reward in the form of cryptocurrency for those who choose to play their games.

Now this is not new and I remember how people were saying they were playing a very well known title of these play-to-earn video games in exchange for cryptocurrency called Axie Infinity.
Where some were playing for extended amounts of time and claimed they had made enough to afford a modest house where they reside.

This was more so for those players of these crypto-games who hail from the Philippines.

But times have changed since then and from what I remember the coin from those earlier games had dropped significantly. And these games such as the one fore mentioned had fallen off and not as popular as it was before due to the drop in in price.

But now there are a new batch of games that those developers want to pay players to play once again.

So here is the video report on this phenomenon making the rounds once more in the land of the Philippines where playing a game can make you enough in riches so to make a living?
You can decide for yourself if this statement has any truth to it or if those companies are just taking advantage of the situation to the impoverished who do not have stable work.

Playing crypto games for a living: Filipinos seek to escape poverty
"Can you make a living from playing video games? Millions of Filipinos who earn cryptocurrency playing online games seem to think so. Players earn tokens they then trade in a virtual market for pesos or dollars. They can earn up to twice the minimum wage – an irresistible prospect for young Filipinos hoping to escape poverty. But cryptocurrencies are also extremely volatile. Their value in the Philippines is estimated at $7 billion, but they can collapse at a moment’s notice. Our team on the ground reports."
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source from France24 a public broadcast service:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0-n8WHlwI

We are from the same country, and yes, so many people are like this in our country. We have a very high unemployment rate, the minimum wage is not enough to feed a family of four, and the inflation is very high, so we will take whatever the internet offers.

As one guy in the video summarized, even if the game is bad, we will still take it because there is money to be made; that guy, instead of tilling their farm, opted to sell an online farm to online buyers.

So instead of looking for jobs or studying, many young people choose this kind of job even to the point of working 12 hours daily; they can earn three times what the average worker is working at the same hours.
The country made headlines in the Axie Games so this is not surprising at all.

As long as it works for them then we cannot question what they are doing. For sure they know it for themselves more than we're aware of it. Crypto games or P2E games have been a craze eversince Axie and others like Pegaxy, created many profit earning opportunities for its players and up until now, there are still games which generates profit to its players. However, I cannot agree to the idea that it is similar with gambling. First of all, it is an investment; engaging an amount with expectancy of profit by means of managing or utilizing the asset. Second is being able yo contribute to profit chances by means of hard work and consistency. Last is with consequences wherein in these games, it is in your hands. You may take an exit the moment you want it to unlike with gambling wherein once you placed it, the only thing you could do is to hope for bright outcome.

The only idea which binds investment to gambling is risk however, in almost anything involving money, such thing is present.

That is one of the reasons why games like axie infinity Has become such a boom the Filipino people is because it is a game and then it is possible that you would earn. It has been a really big boom when it was at its peak and a lot of people have been resigning from their jobs just to do it. I’m not sure if they regret it though because it wasn’t that long when it died down.

I think This serves as an impact With the Play to earn and games to the Filipino people. I am not sure though how it affects people in the long run because we all know that Financial stability wouldn’t come from that. Unless the person is really smart in investing.

At the time I was playing Axie Infinity, I had 2 accounts, one that I played on myself, and another that I shared with a Filipino player, and it was the first time I had direct contact with someone from the country
He said at the time that the money, even though he shared the winnings with me, was very good
These games and cryptos are incredible ways for people to earn an income in dollars or BTC and perhaps start a career on the web3 or starting to deal with cryptos

However, I have to say that I disagree that all this is a form of gambling. As it's a fairly new way of making money, many people may consider it gambling or, due to a lack of information, people think we're betting money, but it's not true
There is volatility and the ups and downs of projects like Axie Infinity, Pixel etc, but it's not gambling

I can relate with what your country is going through and I’m sorry to say but my country is also going through same shit and there is nothing the government is doing about it but rather it seems the government are even the ones inflicting these pains which is bad.
There was a time I was talking to my friend about what the hope of the common man would have been if not for internet and its opportunities it presents and everyday I’m always grateful for the internet and it’s opportunities.
“If the game is bad, we don’t care as long as it brings money” this statement is actually coming from a point of anger and I wish the government looks into how to improve the lives of its youths and citizens

From what you said OP I don't see it as a bad idea or something bad to take advantage of to earn funds in order to take care of one's family since there is high rate of poverty in the country. If these video games can give one a huge amount of money which he can use to build a house, I must say that it is manners from heaven and folks should not let this opportunity pass them by.

It is good that if they get paid in cryptocurrency they should convert it instantly to avoid the price drop when they are still with the coin. I could remember few months back where I go in my environment, I see people stay focus with their phones playing a game that it is easy for you to understand the concept and start cashing out. The furniture guy close to my house was the one that gave me a little hint about the game.

My Defi Pet, Plants versus Undead, Mir4, and now Night Crows which is also made by WeMade the same developer of Mir4.

All this had been the games which I know have a lot of Filipinos who played the game. I am one of them and I made some good money with them.
An example is in Plants versus Undead, since I was an early player I got to take advantage of the high value of the coin they made and I even got the chance to sell 1 PVU:$20. I invested $30 and I exited with $800. It's not over, I forced my wife to play the game too, and made almost the same as I did.
In Mir4 it's different, I can sell my gold (inside currency) to cash by negotiating person to person. Gcash was always the mode of payment and most buyers are also Filipino. I didn't calculate how much I made but I can estimate up to $600 maybe.
Then I sold my character using the "turn to NFT" feature for $120. The value went down ever since bots came.

So yes, it can be a way to make money but as a daily living, I don't think so unless you have a computer shop that can make multiple accounts. But I will still worry about the electric bill afterward.

It's not as bad as in Indonesia, though, since people here don't play P2E games but outright mainstream slots and online casino games. Yeah, unemployment and low salaries are the main causes of this problem. Since you guys have PAGCOR and gambling is legal, gambling isn't really a hot topic in the media, but I think the gambling market is also big there.

Anyway, I saw that lots of people in the video are actually streamers, so I have no problem with that, and it might be a good idea to be a streamer rather than working in the field. They only take what's available to them and shouldn't be looked down upon.

We've been doing this ten years ago since the heyday of Dota, and Cryptocurrency does not yet exist. Gamers upgrade accounts so they can sell them through personal dealing, so it's no wonder that people here will look for games that they can play to upgrade their accounts and sell them using Cryptocurrency.

The invention of the Android phone it makes it easy for Filipinos to engage in this kind of game because the majority of Filipinos have phones and are looking for ways to make money on the internet: we should have to look on the success of Axie here in this part of the world.

There's this saying that, when you are faced with a situation, you need to ask yourself what you really stand for. There are still a lot of crypto-smart enthusiasts in  Philippines, and they already know the risks of cryptocurrency and how they can mitigate them with any little opportunity they get. If this casino video game really pays off well to play, then players can just exchange the token for their currency after earning some of the token. For those who want to hold the token for a long time so that they can make extra income if the token pumps, they can convert it to Bitcoin if there is any doubt that the earned token will fall. 

After Axie, we have this new one. Thanks for sharing, @rdbase. I'm in the same country, but I didn't know about this game. When I checked the video you shared, it was only published three days ago, so this one is still fresh. You know, when you are one of the early players, you'll likely enjoy greater benefits.

I have a lot of friends who are still unemployed now. Maybe they can use this as a way to survive in tough times. Some people may say that playing longer hours on the internet is not healthy, but this is better than working longer hours for a small salary. It's just a matter of choice, in my opinion. For those who love to play games, they will not feel the burden of playing games because they'll have fun.

These video game producers might be using this medium as a strategy to advertise the product. These rewards will make the game popular and attract more players. It is not a bad idea if these tokens are worth some amount. But it will be a total waste of time, energy, and resources if after accumulating these coins, it will end up in your wallet because it has no value.


Anybody who resigns from his job, because he wants to engage in computer games and earn some altcoins might regret it. These coins don't stand the test of time so they become worthless within a short period. People might claim that they made a lot of money at the beginning but as the game gets popular there are possibilities that it will become less profitable. Things like this are better seen as a side hustle or as a hobby because they don't have a future. I wouldn't resign from my job because I want to gather some shitcoins.

it has some truth in it, I mean, yeah, companies are taking advantage of it, it is a great way to advertise and attract people to play their game. also regarding if people can make enough riches to make a living, I am not if you can make a living off of it but you can surely earn money through it, I mean if you have invested enough money into the game that even when the token has lost some value or if the way earning the token becomes harder you still get enough of it or has found another way to earn money through the game. th

Of course people can escape poverty through gambling, since the casino companies have been giving them cryptocurrency as a reward for their win or for maybe using their platform to gamble, they can actually win significant amounts that can change their fortune for life. You can still have stable job and gamble, so I don't see how the Casino companies are taking advantage of their situation to impoverish them, or except if they where coax to gamble against their will.

As a human being, it's good to keep hope and hardwork alive and that is what most of the Filipino people that are into this gambling are doing, if they can win twice of their minimum wage on cryptocurrency casino bet, it then means they will be living above the countries minimum wage, which will automatically take them to a middle class line in their society, and that for me is above the poverty line.

This is nothing different from what has been happening in the crypto space for many years now. The video says they can earn up to €300 monthly, the value of that amount for 12 hours or more of work depends on where one lives. In fully developed countries, it is not much at all and many will say not worth the effort, in lower income countries, that is a lot of money, way higher than the minimum wage citizens benefit.

The gambling aspect of it is also not new. There has always been games you can put an amount on, compete against other players and get the pool if you win. The house gets a fixed percent from each round.

- Jay -

they are in their 20s. as long as they enjoy and make money more than the regular 9-5 job, they will take it. 12 hours is nothing when yo are with your friends.  ;D

People in their 20s are already eligible for corporate jobs. If they live in a country that has a great economy, they will not spend 12 hours a day to make that amount. In the reality of those playing the games it is very beneficial to them and allows them to have fun and also earn.

Spending 12 hours a day on an activity increases the likely hood of the players getting addicted too.

- Jay -

Aside crypto paid games, alot of people plays video games and earn alot of money from it. I know of some individuals who have been making a living from playing games and surviving through their hard times. It's actually a good innovation from the fillipines to help out the economy. It really makes a lot of sense since these games will be paid in crypto. Though we can't tell for now if the pays will be huge enough to cover so much expensive but at least there is a pay a lot of people will take the job. My concern now is i can't really say it's gambling, because you don't put money to play these games but earn from playing them.

I played this up until the marketplace was destroyed with thousands of bots after the 2.0 update that they gave away lots of free plants lol


You dont actually need to. Most of the people that farm these play2earn game, play with bare minimum effort daily. Probably just do few simple daily task and switch off to another accounts.

In fact, I know a whole family of 5 that handle around 200 accounts daily. They farm up in game currency on that pixels ( play2earn game ) then sell it off to another player. They make decent amount which according to them is quite huge compared to their living cost so I guess that they could be living somewhere in Asia with lower living cost


People work atleast 6-8 hours daily to get minimum wage while they probably work for around the same hours with twice of their minimum wage on these play2earn games so yeah I kinda get it there

I think this is a good initiative from the developers to keep up with the play to earn games so that their country men can be able to earn from the games they play. To the best of my knowledge, that country has no much resources that can sustain their nationals so they can go to any means that seems legit to see how they can generate a means of income for themselves.

 Now that it is the era of gamefi  ie P2E and there are lots of telegram tap games that earn players rewards of their token to trade for fiat, I believe they could take advantage of it and earn from it so they could be able to trade the token rewards for money when the time and opportunity avails itself.

The games industry considera this as a marketing campaign, spend money on players sometimes has a better impact than spend that same money on adds, and I see this as a good practice.

And that doesn't happen only in the philipines, that's something that we see all around the wold nowadays. In latam we have some influencers like Fernando Flow who uses his network to promote New games.

The Philippines is ruled by a dictatorial government that has stayed in power by fully taking advantage of the Philippine people's poverty. Philippines have become a hub for outsourcing and for cheap labour. Labour rights are non existent over there. It's a large corporation's dream.

But for the people that live under these conditions it's a modern hell. No infrastructure, rising costs, crumbling cities and to too it all off, a dictator that has lavish holidays in his many homes abroad with the people's money. The minimum wage in the Philippines is so low that for them it is worth it to stay online all day and grind some shitty play to earn games. It's not just crypto games, they also play games like WoW and Old School RuneScape. It's a very sad reality. Hopefully people in the Philippines will soon rise up against this good for nothing status quo that has been imposed on them.

Personally know a friend who's one of these guys, or at least part of a group. They beta-test a lot of web3 games and earn like a LOT of money off of it. They don't play for the tokens or whatnot, just test the games play it for 8 hrs a day, even more and the team behind the game pays them. Probably why they earn a lot in the first place since they're not really doing crypto, just standard, generic job of playing games.

For the games like Axie they showed on the vid, I highly doubt they earn that much. Even if it was higher than the minimum wage I don't think it'd be higher by that much in the first place. Wouldn't really say it's better than a job where you can hone your skill. But well, honing their skill is probably the last thing they want to consider when earning money tbf.

I've watched this video and that explanation of the developer whom I know by his name is really explaining a gamble. While most of us have been very optimistic with the NFT games like Axie Infinity, it's true that it is very risky and many of us have been delved into it trying to survive during the pandemic. But after the brutality of the bearish season, everyone have started to take an exit and took the losses just like me. The risk is there for NFT games not just for the games but also for the market and token that we'll receive playing them.

I maybe don't agree to the article spreading that Filipinos Playing crypto game to escape poverty since I just had a feeling that they used that title to click bait their readers. Since at first place filipino young or old love to play pc and mobile games. Maybe they are just grabbing the opportunity to earn money while playing when they discover that there are ways to monetize their time playing those games they like then earn from it.

But for sure that's few percentage people living in that country since not all know the existence of crypto games also people are so busy working their ass on other thing. Axie infinity really open up a lot of of opportunity for people to seek for other more source to gain and there's nothing wrong with this since its just show that young people now are so smart to grab those opportunities able and they are not just wasting their time for nonsense games out there.

I don't understand how it became gambling. Playing blockchain-based games isn't gambling. They're not even betting. They're risking nothing at all. So, how are these gamers gambling? They're earning because of the rewards provided by the games. Their income is more or less stable. It isn't like they earn sometimes and lose sometimes. They treat these games as their source of income.

I remember Axie Infinity players a few years ago earning more than a thousand dollars a month by merely playing for a couple of hours each day. That's good enough income. They have a lot of time left for the day that's why many of them are keeping more than one account. Others are playing different play-to-earn games. I also remember Wax blockchain as one of the popular options for these gamers.

Whenever these developers wanted to make a Play-2-Earn game, their target is always our country - the Philippines. I mean why not? Axie Infinity, Pegaxy, Plants Vs. Undead are the ones that became popular P2E games when it was on hype, and for sure, many people made huge money playing on it.

Playing while earning. This what makes it attractive and for a developing country like the Philippines, it's really attractive especially if you realize that you can earn way more than working 8 hours earning only minimum wage and the best part is, you are only spending at least half of the usual 8 hours working time to earn twice as much. These developers are using our country to attract more investors. As for these crypto games that can be considered as gambling, I don't see any gambling feature from them aside from the fact that you might lose your money if the developers decided to rug pull from their investors.

This Wax blockchain reminded me of the game "Alien Worlds" where you are just clicking and clicking that makes me bored from the first hour of doing it. :D Same with Cryptoblades.

This is so very true. They are wanting to have a different approach now. Maybe the rise and fall of Axie Infinity showed future developers of these P2E games the error of their ways.
I remember when the coin was valued very high but when the collapse of FTX happened it suffered until it wasn't worth nearly anything to anyone.

Funny that you mentioned Undead because for the very first time I seen and actually noticed it while visiting a Coin Price Market website as an advertisement and clicked on it. All because I had  posted about this earlier today and wanted to see if it was one of these Pay to Earn games. And was in the least surprised when I did, that it was.

Now there was this thread I had noticed with the same concept over at the altcoin topic that might be the same:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5499333.0

When I first watched this on YouTube, I didn't give it much thought. However, since it has been brought here to the forum for discussions, I will share my thoughts.

- Who makes the most money. I kept wondering as I watched it. Is it the cyber cafe owner where the kids gather to play, the players, or the developers?

- I also disagree with the developer who said this is not gambling. It is gambling because there is a wager for an expected financial outcome.

- The probability of getting addicted to these games is very high most especially by those who are underaged. Therefore, I think the government should step in and do some regulation.

- It seems the casinos have to gear up for real competition. While it may not kick them out of business, they are probably going to see a drop in their revenue as people shift their attention to this new way of "making - easy - money".

P2E games aren't promising, Mobile Legends is really popular in The Philippines. The games isn't P2E, but if you gets fame and your performance is very good, you will make a lot money and you don't have to switch the games since the popularity high unlikely would ends.

The developers makes the most money, even though they're giving free tokens to the players, but they get a lot investment, sponsors, top up from the players, data from the players etc.

Cyber cafe owners should make more money than the players, but if the players are really funny and there are a lot followers donate them money, the players could be rich than the cyber cafe owners.

This is just a normal strategy that's used to promote a new project that has just joined the market to gain popularity. It's just almost the same with crypto airdrop games where participants get a fraction of the allocated coin that's to be released when they participate in the project by playing the games. Because participant want to get more coin and that the only way to do so is through consistent playing of the games, it cause them to remain active players and help the game to continue gaining relevance in the long run. 

I wouldn't call it gambling since it's more of a play to earn game rather than a pay to earn or lose game. It's only going to become addictive and unnecessarily engaging to some extent since it will consume more time of the individual players and maybe deprive them the time they would have used in putting into a more productive activity. At the end of the day, the cafe owners makes money from the game while most players struggle and easily become addicted in the game.

There's a lot of games that are very popular in the Philippines and it seems that our country is in top if every crypto based.

Even before the rise of P2E Axie Infinity in the market, the Philippines is one of the country that really make this game very popular and there are people around in my neighbourhood that time that really makes good money during it's hype so I'm not surprised by this.

As for who is making the most money, everyone, developers, cafe owners or even those players, so it's really a win win that's why it's popular in the country.

Wow! That must be exhausting for them. Also, I saw cryptocurrency online games who are restricting the usage of the same IP address or however they trace it. I think they did that with some of the games that I played. Mir4 can let one IP create 2 accounts because it's allowed since their program has Game Start 1 and Game Start 2 which is like telling you to create one more. Are they working on every account using data only? If it's one line internet subscribed then I don't think it can be done unless they use VPN. Still, I don't think I can do such a thing, just 2 accounts already made me puke. :D

This is why I am amazed by those who can do this because I know they do exist. I guess it will also depend on every game. Because in Mir4, you cannot just do the dailies and make money, you need to farm minerals to exchange it for their currency so it should be running unless they can create a program that will run it without eating too much memory in the computer or smartphone. Just like what they did with Ragnarok before.

I think it's not only in the Philippines but a lot of people from different third-world countries get involved in such things when they realize that there are opportunities to make money from such things. Besides, the newer generation is more into online things and working from home than going out and finding jobs that require physical attendance.

Even in my country, thousands of people are always looking for ways to earn money online because the internet and smartphones have spread all around, and people are now realizing that they can make money online and everyone wants a share of that.

However, I don't see how this is gambling, it could be compared with trading I guess because if you are paying some fees to play a game, you tend to risk some money to try and get profit from it, but if you do research and choose good projects, you will get ROI for sure.

While I'm not a gamer or a fan, my husband is. However, if I were motivated by the financial benefits of games, I would gladly join the society of players. It is the wasted time spent on the computer playing games that irritates me somewhat, and I have always believed that wasting time is not the right step. Especially if these games can help people in need improve their financial situation, this is, in my opinion, an excellent idea. In our fast world, everything is valued in money, and if both parties benefit, then such games are much better than just passing time.

Which country is that if you wouldn't mind me asking since we are trying to gain a perspective that it is not only in the Philippines that this phenomenon is occurring currently as the video would suggest to us.
I wouldn't doubt that this happens in many other places around the world as many other countries currencies have fallen in recent months such as richer countries for example the Yuen in Japan.
So I would not doubt there are these types of Cyber Cafes popping up around there as well and gathering a mass following from there aswell in recent months.

Now the part you and others had mentioned on the thread so far when it comes to it becoming like gambling.
If you had watched closely when they interviewed one of the developers from the game with the smiley face on the screen, you will hear him say "..this is a type of gambling since the player pays for the possibly of winning more if their choice wins". Now they explain how this new concept they were introducing to the game was a type of bingo where the player would risk their earnings to gain more but there would be a probability that they might lose.
This is the essence of gambling.
So don't be fooled with the name of it all and this is just a game, because it is not.
It is big business and we all know that they need to make money somehow so to stay in business.

The fact is that there is a lot of useless work in the world, and after that, making money in computer crypto games looks very good. But even this is not the main thing, the whole point here is that in poor countries, earning even a couple of dollars in the game is already an excellent result, because the players see how hard it was for their parents to make money while doing difficult work in the field growing crops.

The digital crypto world is developing at a rapid pace, sometimes I even think that if everyone starts playing and earning money in games, then who will be doctors or mechanics...

Any means to make money that is not illegal is welcomed by me and I'm happy that the youths in the Philippines are taking advantage of these crypto play to earn games. There is high rate of unemployment in many countries and thankfully the internet and cryptocurrency have provided employment for many in the unemployment market. The youths now finds it very convenient to relax in front of their computers or smart phones to engage in making money online. Whether it's gambling, crypto or social media, they prefer it than working on a farm like the guy in the OP video or being employed to do hard jobs.

There was actually a number of popular play-to-earn games built on the Wax blockchain. Alien Worlds was one. I've also tried it and you're right; it was boring. Strictly speaking, it wasn't even a game. You aren't playing. You're just clicking on buttons. Characters aren't even moving.

Although I didn't survive playing play-to-earn games, I can say that there's so much money in it. I've got family and friends who were into it. They're making good money. Especially if you intend to spend 8 hours on it, you'd be earning so well.

We may have seen a games that offers the prize in the form of money for their members so when the company wants to gives crypto as the rewards, they can do that and invites more people to join. That will attracts more attention from the people to playing the games and gets crypto as the rewards. Maybe that will helps crypto to gets more popular in that country so the number of crypto user will increase.

People will see a new chance to earn money by playing video games. If they can earn some coins and can sell it to the market, they will gets money and can be used to fills their daily needs. It will gives a new passion to them to try to earn money and that will also helps to solve the poverty problem in that country. If some people can earn money and their friends see that is real, they will join and play the video games too.

I'm not from Philippines, but I can correlate my experience with P2E games in crypto universe, because I live in a country where the local currency is devalued, and every earnings coming from the internet are totally worth, especially during the boom of these online games.

I played Axie Infinity for a year or so. I made a humble investment by purchasing a cheap Axie's team, without any intentions to have a competitive team, rather I was only looking for a guaranteed daily extra income through the story mode levels, which rewarded me 100 SLPs every day back then, just by playing the game for few minutes. On the golden days of Axie Infinity each SLP worthed 13 or 14 cents, although it has already reached 30 to 36 cents of dollar for a while.

Multiply it for 100 and see how much profit I was making in a daily basis. I was definitely making above an extra monthly minimum wage just by playing the game. However, the point is that these games aren't sustainable. It worked solely for a brief period of time. I could never consider it a solid career or rely on this game for an income. It's too ephemeral and uncertain.

I don't regret anything and it was really good while it lasted, but through the experience I acquired back then, now I realize I should focus my time and effort on more solid and sustainable activites, such as studying and developing a professional career. Playing games for a living at the present time isn't a reality yet, at least not for most players who don't manage to earn through another means such as referrals and social media's content.

Now from what I have checked recently is B2E or browse to earn so what your both saying about companies who want to reward their users could work in other ways too.
After reading this post on X it seems to have a large amount of people already using it at 7 million active users, so giving incentives to their customers seem to not only work in P2E for providing an avenue of income but can also be leveraged into using it for web browsing too:
https://x.com/trycarbonio/status/1810653992705237007

If we talk about the cryptocurrency Axie Infinity, which is mentioned in the start post, then its price actually fell from $150 to about $5, that is, 30 times. This coin reached its peak in 2021 at the local tops of the crypto market. It was then that the game was most popular. But in general, it’s strange that now this game has lost so much popularity and games like it haven’t become viral to the same extent. I read that the development team for this game did not achieve success right away, this was not the first version, but it was the only one that became successful. It is difficult to make a game go viral and gain popularity in an entire country or in several countries. There must be the qualifications of the developers and luck.

Nice share. I will try this one and see where it will go. Maybe I will also ask my wife to install it since she has been trying to make money online too with applications that pay in cryptocurrencies. A sideline aside from her day job.

I just remembered, that she also discussed with me an application where a user will only need to be online for an hour per day and her face revealed in the camera. You don't have to do anything at all and then they will pay based on your points.
She had already cashed out $20 and I asked how long it took before she got it, 1 month. I got sad when I heard that. But the curious part is how these businesses make money by just showing your face in the live stream camera. Up until now, I don't know the answer to it. I am also afraid that they may use that for bad intentions.

You are right because that can be more popular as people search for many things. If people can gets rewards from the companies or project that have B2E system, people will be like to try because they can earn something that can helps them to earn money if they sell it.

Many ways we will see coming in the future since the companies wants to makes a profit besides of attract people's attention to use their products. We will see tight competition from each companies that wants to gives something to people because each companies also wants to make a profit too. People who can used it to gets benefits from that will have a new additional sources of income that will helps their finances.

I think you are talking about those streamers? Yeah, it's not a secret anymore but I think it's not easy, not only at first because you will need to garner enough audiences. Many have attempted and many have also failed. This is why they say that it is also based on luck and not just skills. If the game can be run in mobile easily and then it can also be played for free, then it's not what you can say expensive in terms of expenses. We can still waste time here though, if it turns out that the pay is only less.

They are helping their selves first but when they now have a money, indeed that it can also help the economy because there will now be enough demand for the services, goods, etc...

Yes, if the video game is actually paying out real crypto that is worth significant earnings if converted to peso, then it is a good advantage that will even be profitable to the citizens, but I feel that in those kinds of activities, you will definitely have to meet some requirements, such as spending so much time by playing continuously, before you can even earn enough coin that can be worth a good amount. The company also has a way of making profit through the activities of their patrons, and they cannot pay more than what they are getting in return. The company will definitely have the lion's share of the profit. Just like casinos always have a high odds of making a profit from gamblers,. 

Just look at the concept which itself is a failure cause it's just free money and anyone who wants to have it can just play the game and have it which means no demand which makes it completely worthless. In the beginning, it might give profits but these all are just short term and it's not new either so the chances of making one-time profit itself is in big question.

And also I just want to mention Gambling involves games but not every game is gambling.

And it's even harder to retrieve that hype and success that they've got once. Right now, the situation of the game is no longer as viral as before.

Although there are still a lot of players playing the game they're no longer the ones who have been there playing for the money.

Most of the players remaining are the ones that are playing the game to have fun and competition. Money was the motivation before because it seems very easy, you play even just the adventure, you'd get instant and hefty amount of money.

Filipinos Playing crypto games for a living - Developer even says it is gambling well based on your story this developer just implement the good old days of play to earn so for me this is not gambling and you just play to earn money.

Well if all categories as gambling then playing online game is gambling now, why most of the online game has in game currency that some of it you need to buy using real fiat and thoose in game currency used for an gacha sistem for rare reward you can consider this gambling right haha, heck basically life is a gambling hehe

That will helps citizen to have an income besides of their job. More people will trying to have the same thing like them and that means the chance to make money will be wide openly. But yes, there will be some requirements before they can withdraw their money and that could be a limitation for them to achieve.

The company will making a big profit from people because they design that games and knows how to make money from their games. Before people join to play the games, they must research and make sure that the games really pay and not makes them regrets if they can't make money. Maybe the company will not lets people make money easily because the requirements will not easy to completed.

    -     It cannot be denied that there are many gamers in the Philippines, and there are also many in this community of the gaming industry who are obsessed with playing games, and until now, especially in mobile games, there are still many people who play them, and there are still people who make money in mobile games, and even in other crypto games like Pixel games that they think are easy, they will actually be played by Filipinos.

Especially now with tap mining apps, it seems like the axie community has given them hope in these games because they don't release money because they expect to earn a large amount, but the truth is that it's not, and it's just a waste of time.

All these video game companies are looking for the secret formula for producing a highly successful concept such as Fortnite had when it was first released.
They were the most popular mobile game of all time where other corporate intellectual property were coming to them wanting to have their product line advertised within their game from the huge number of players they had within their game.

even studying and finishing cannot guarantee you a high paying job so people tend to just work but then it’s very difficult to get a job in this country if you have no experience prior or you don’t have a degree
it was honestly all over the country and even reached mainstream television e-games are widely played and a lot of people even compete so yes not surprising at all

I think marketing is important for same like fortnite games you able to introduce to people.

But if there's a earning possibilities that it can produce to people then I guess that opportunity will speak up for the project and lots of people will talk about that matter then engage with those games that can give them potential earnings.

Able to earn while playing is catchy thing for a lot of people especially for those people who'd like to play games that's why Axie infinity became so famous even if their graphics is so crap before since people is just playing it because they could able to earn money.

Axie infinity gain this before and I think they are the top NFT game in history.

We're in the same country and this kind of thing that people now become dependent with the crypto starts during the Axie era or the play to earn tons of jobless people now hoping they can earn again like that era band now after they get enlightened they can earn more with the crypto they take a risk and join into the different platform and risk their time and effort to earn in the crypto space, base on my observation Filipinos are one of the active projects like currently the Play to airdrop, could be a good news because they are aware with crypto and potential earning but they are now being dependent with this still there are a lot of victims of fake projects.

It’s true for some people especially those early players who play the game before the majority enter. Filipino community has a mindset of following the herd that’s way a ponzi like game like this is very easy to popularized since those early players who got actually paid is promoting it hard to their friends, family and social as if they own the game company.

People who got hype will invest huge amount that will payback game developers and use it as an exit liquidity.

To summarize it, yes it’s true that this kind of game can change someone’s life here but the number of devastated life who invest late is much more compared to those who benefit om game like this.

This means that the developers are the ones up there. They are like the CEOs and the Cyber Cafer operators are like the supervisors and then the players are the employees. The CEOs make the big bucks does little of the job, while the Cyber Cafer operators do their best to bring in players by having the games and whatever is needed in their facility and the players who play away all day do most of the work putting in anticipation of a reward. Only a few players actually become big by just thinking about it. And I think it is likely that they could collaborate with some developers to develop this type of games and then split whatever rewards come in.

A similar phenomenon happened here in Venezuela as well, but back in the day it did not have anything to do with cryptocurrency, at all. People here started farming gold on Runescape classic, since the big inflationary crisis we have had in 2016. When Bitcoin and cryptocurrency games become well known and kind of a big market back two years ago, it was usual to see young people investing into Axie Infinity and playing the game using rented axies and equipment, I don't think the market here was as big as it was in the Philippines, but it took the play to earn concept to the main stream media.

Whether it is gambling or not, I believe it depends whom one asks. Some would claim play-to-earn is not sustainable in the long term.

Noticed today on a crypto-influencer channel I was watching they mentioned about new Play To Earn games and they mentioned about this thread I highlighted above and it is infact the very same concept:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/12/oia83.jpeg
https://www.coindesk.com/consensus-magazine/2024/07/08/what-hamster-kombat-did-how-telegram-built-a-web3-gaming-juggernaut

They have millions of new players in the last couple of weeks from when they first launched which is really something to keep on your radar when it comes to these things.

The other ones they had mentioned were Bunny Blitz:
https://www.cryptonite.ae/global/bondex-launches-bunny-blitz-telegram-game
https://www.cryptopolitan.com/bondex-reveals-new-telegram-game

Then to a lesser degree one on shib from the failed not coin:
https://cryptonews.com/news/is-notcoin-doomed-not-price-falls-5-amid-viral-surge-of-new-shiba-inu-alternative.htm
This was from a clicker app which was taken over by botfarms.

Most of these new P2E games are deployed on the platform telegram.

Play-to-earn games was also popular in my country few years back but seems to have been losing grounds for reason I think is not far from reduced rewards just like you rightly stated.

However, I do not see P2E games as gambling because they do not mostly involve making a deposite,  hence the risk that defines gambling is not there. Gamble should be involved when deposit is required and the expectations is to earn rewards greater than the deposit.

Games that offer you bonuses that are convertible to real cash aren't available for free, even if we use Axie Infinity as an example, playing it wasn't for free, you would need to buy certain things, I don't know what they are because I never played the game but my cousin used to play and he used to buy axies or whatever the characters are named and then use them to play the game to earn tokens that would then be sold for money or other cryptocurrencies.

If a company says that they are creating a game which everyone can play and earn money from it, they are either bluffing or the money earned would be worth nothing more than dust because if such things existed, everyone would be sitting at their homes playing games and earn a bunch of money from them.

Not only in the country you live in but also in the country I live in there is similar thing where play-to-earn games are really of interest to many people regardless of age limits, I sure that now almost all countries have the same thing happening popularity of play-to-earn games.
I also agree with you that for context like this and the involvement of play-to-earn games, it is not included in the category of gambling games, this is just kind of game that is often said to be an airdrop, maybe wrong but I think that is fairly accurate definition.

Basically, gambling is an activity that involves depositing and betting, anything that is not related to risking money or valuables is not gambling, but perhaps everyone response will be different regarding this kind of thing.
But I also see that there are several games that require users to make deposits with the aim of increasing certain things, I don't know whether this can be called form of gambling activity, but in my opinion, if there is no indication of betting activity, it is not appropriate to call it gambling.

Axie infinity need investment since you need to buy good axies then have good team composition so that you will have more higher chance to win against your opponent. Although right now its hard to earn and many people rely only for their bounty rewards which is totally small which other people doesn't like to play this game anymore.

No company will create a game where people could earn for free. Since they also need to sell something so that they could sustain their ecosystem but also they can earn profit from those people who buy their digital assets.

But right now there are p2e games which running on beta phase where they reward their players or shall we say give a airdrop rewards for their early participation on the game. They just need to finish those quest or task then they earn points to became eligible for aidrops. This is common thing people joined at the moment and this beta testers like task became trend nowadays.

I also played with Axie Infiniti, but I'm not a Phillipine, but I know that it was so popular there that not a single cryptoist demonstrated such results. I liked this game, but then when the earnings began to fall there due to the fact that the token course fell, I stopped playing it. Still, potential earnings are important for so many, because many are not ready to waste their time on this. But on the other hand, interest is no less important, and I really hope that the CritePoheming still release some amazing game that will capture gamers from around the world. Thanks to such games, Phillipins understand well why cryptocurrency is needed and how to use it, it was an excellent experience for many.

I would not call it gambling, because these are the possibilities in which even without luck could earn real money.

Yeah, I could still remember when Axie Infinity once became the mainstream where a lot of my friends and known players got hooked on it and even convinced me. It can't be denied that a lot of people make a lot of money, a huge amount, especially early adopters and gamers. Even I thought it would stay longer but just like the others, it's gone.  

Gamers wait for another P2E game and they are ready to spend more money and gamble thinking that they could earn more. Unfortunately, nothing followed like what the Axie game did, it is just one of a kind. Of course, we can't be hopeless at all but yes, we can also expect such hype again. Filipinos will still gamble and are willing to risks if there is an opportunity like that again.

Yes, there are usually some requirements that must be met for such activities, but I guess that they will not have too much over tasking requirements before their customers (the citizens that participate) can withdraw.

Good thing you had mentioned this.
Many of these players had a launching pad into the online video game community from somewhere.
And many of those started from Runescape.
Heck, even the owner of Stake has mentioned he began his online identity from that gaming platform and learned his financial economy basics from this game. He farmed gold and actually met many of his business partners from joining it early on and even had streamed a session on their weekend races.
But with all of these genre type games it did lose it's value so he only does it for fun on occasion instead of on a daily basis so to level up resulting in more experience and riches.

As mentioned before, it is gambling because anytime a player needs to put any sort of investment into one of these platforms then it is just that-taking a risk.
And what is gambling but Risk taking.
And you are obviously investing one's time into the game.
Are you not? ;)

This is a clever point on the risk of playing games to be incorporated in gambling. I do understand the point since I consider my time as precious especially if I’m investing it to something that I knew that it will generate profit.

Those fellow Filipino players is indeed gambling for investing time for this game hoping to gain profit later on. There’s a lot of success and horror story for this kind of game but people keeps entering knowing the risk involved since Filipino love gambling even with their time.

Ones country needs to be pretty much in a deeply bad situation if it is more profitable to farm a game like RuneScape than actually getting a job or doing usual commerce like the rest of the people of the country, to be honest. Such things would never happen in the first place if the countrys economy was not so much in a bad shape. In that sense, many of the people who manage to make a living off their activities in those games would argue they are not actually partaking in gambling at all, as the money is guaranteed, as if they were partaking in any other regular job.
I would only take it as gambling if they happened to be investing their time in a very speculative and volatile market within the game itself, or even if the game is about speculation.

This is how you know we're so cooked here in the Philippines. We can't even rely on proper employment anymore to save us from being poor. We literally had to get help from Lord Jihoz himself to see some semblance of relief. And honestly, the few months when Play-to-Earn was the biggest thing in the Philippines was one of the best months I had financially, and other aspects as well. Everyone's earning more than the minimum wage, people are actually enjoying their lives. It was a massive bummer that it all had to end, but it gave the people some semblance of a glimpse of what crypto could do for them.

So yeah, people here in the Philippines are definitely looking at crypto as a means to earn money, maybe even escape poverty. But that's not on them, the fact of the matter is that we just had so much poor performance leaders in here that would rather see their pockets fattened up from ill-gotten wealth and tax evasions than to actually help the public.

The requirements will be different from one application to another so people must ensure to search what is the requirements. If they thinks that the reguirements is not too difficult for them to apply, they can continue playing the games until they meet the minimum payments.

But some people will thinks that the requirements is too high especially if video games providers have a high requirements too achieved. Usually, that games providers will gives another ways to people to achieve but that will be a long time process to achieve. We must be careful with that applications because some application require us to pay for the first time before we can withdraw the money. That will be too risky to use the application.

Do you know what? if someone decide to earn money through games when they're not a pro player or joining in the top competition, it means the world is fucked up. How can the government didn't have enough jobs for their citizen, if the jobs is enough, people wouldn't jump to playing games for living.

Axie Infinity gives you free Axie if you joined the early access, so you don't have to spend your money.

The company do give free to play and a chance to earn money, but it won't last long because when there are so many people join to play, the reward would be smaller and smaller.

This projects become one of the next trade play to earn, before Filipinos sees the potential of the Axie infinity and now this news are now widely spread that they can earn a lot of money the same with the axie so people now spam their referral links even in the market place in facebook, tons of invites and different videos that they will earn a lot of money by just doing the tap and daily rewards of this game in the telegram, does not if the release the market yet but still people hope they will earn a lot with this free game.

That's true. I cannot even remember how much time and effort I put into the game Mir4 just so my character could get stronger and I could join the top clans that give more perks daily. Thanks to that, I get items that are not available for players that are not on the top and also you can mine the Darksteels without anyone doing a PK because the clan owns the mining field. Those are the ones that can be sold for real money and I actually made it happen for like a year or more.

Truly, it's a time-consuming thing and I agree with OP that it's also a gamble. I may not have spent a dime for that game but every day you cannot be offline or else you will be kicked out and it will be difficult to have the same perks with another clan.

That's what people here don't realize about these "earnings".
You need to have a constant inflow of new players to buy that stuff from you with real money, the moment the inflow dries out and the amount of players frows there is little money compared to the players, and your earnings go down the drain!

Nobody will be paying you just to play, it's all a simple MLM scheme, yet some still think this will be the future of gaming, it's really funny!
We talk all day about demand and offer and suddenly we forget about these when it comes to this!



Oh, the Green Dragon Genocide that destroyed the gold market and turned many of RS players into PK!

I've never gotten into the P2E games, but i'm glad that my friends got involved with cryptocurrency through the help of these games and most of them earned a decent chunk before the hype died down.

As someone who's played countless online multiplayer games, this is so accurate. Once you find the other side of the gaming market you'll always find people selling in-game cosmetics and well-made accounts to earn a living, until now I assume it's still a thing. Even in arcades, I remember someone tried to make a deal with me by selling some maxed-out accounts from a racing game.

Well. I was not even aware it was called the "Green Dragon genocide" and it has turned away members of the game.  :P . To be honest, I thought the economy of a game which is as massive as RuneScape would have not been affected by gold farming from Venezuelans, but I assume I could be wrong, we are talking of thousands of people affecting a single game.

It is good also to have the perspective of the gold famer and realize those weren't people who wished to harm the game or harm others within the game, they just happened to find a reliable source of income in the least expected place of the internet. Actually, I have a family member who earned some bucks off farming World of Warcraft.

In short, there's no such thing about free money on this world and this is something that people should really be realizing in the first place on which its not really that totally a play to earn thing without having investment or money that had been put up even if we do speak about "Axie Infinity" on which buying up or breeding those axies would really be coming with a cost. Therefore,  there's really that flow
in between buyers and sellers and on the moment that the minting of SLP becomes uncontrollable because tons of people who are already farming it, and having not proper or solid utility of those tokens
then this is the main reason on why it goes down to the floor and tons of people had lost up money specially to those who had heavily invested. On the time or moment that you would be diving in things
then you should really be wary and careful about on the possibilities that it could go down.Proper economy and utility would really be the key to sustenance.

Play to earn without investment is imposible, it would really be needing up those funds to circulate around and if there would really be no new investors that would really be engaging
in, then you could really be able to expect that it would go down and this is something that could really happen. Making a living? Its possible but doesnt mean that it would
be so damn easy, on the moment that you are on such condition then good for you.

Gaming is a gamble ;D

Remember when I mentioned about one of the play to earn games which was gaining popularity?
Hamster Kombat which I didn't know anything about but posted a link to their ANN thread a while ago.
Well there was something posted a week or so ago by another thread I noticed by a crypto exchange visa card company:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/16/4wYOZ.jpeg
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145162.msg64310024#msg64310024

They were forming only spots in which you could easily get gold with a high account, so in case they got banned they would not lose much, so they were easy to identify by congregating in some spots, and yeah many players started hating them, speaking Spanish was a deal breaker!


I don't think any of them wished to harm the game, but they did anyhow, it was a simple thing of demand and offer, and it annoyed players who played for short periods as suddenly the balance was broken.


Well, 99% of the ones jumping on this don't understand this aspect, they don't understand that even crypto needs new money to grow, all those airdrops out of nothing that made some money, free stuff given away have somehow managed to insert the notion that you can make real money out of thin air without anyone actually putting down that money.

Unfortunately, it will come a day of revelation for everyone, sooner or later.

It would seem to me that you were playing the game in question during those times people from Venezuela was farming for a living. How badly was the market within the game affected by the over-generation of gold ? And the exclusion of people who wished to get to those green dragons but could not because Venezuelans?

I assume when you talk about those affected, you mean the price of the items which costed gold started to exponentially increase within the game and so, new players had a harder time getting their equipment.
I would like you to explain and give further context, as I have never played the game myself, but I find these stories interesting.

To the question: can you earn money playing video games? Yes, and at all income levels; micro, high, Hroller, it is not new and in fact, there are little-known niches in the crypto world, like Roblox, etc. where just by being a map creator, you can earn thousands of dollars.

The thing with the crypto world is that developers "fuck up" the ecosystem, when they sell, then they reinvent themselves, another game. Just do the right thing, these ecosystems do not depend on professional players, they depend on the millions of players who believe in making money in a few clicks.

Very true famososMuertos man!
But those who are in countries where playing a game as much as one can in a day is profitable to themselves and puts food on their families table, I don't think they really care about anything else but getting those rewards so they can cash in.
To me it is their fiat system that is F'd up if some company's tokenized rewards are worth more than working 8 hours per day at a regular 9-5 job to most of these places where it is more advantageous to them to be playing a mere video game instead.

Not only about games but there have been a lot of ways for people to earn more money than they could earn from an average 9 to 5 job and this isn't because of fiat systems being outdated or anything but it's because the online world is generating better opportunities for people with enough knowledge and skills so that they can earn a living and have a better life without having to worry about getting a job or something.

Many people struggle to get good jobs, either because they aren't very good with public dealings or they don't find good opportunities, such people can use their knowledge and learn some skills and then use those skills to earn good money from the comfort of their home, it's hassle-free and it makes people earn a living from their homes.

The next generations will be more into these things, physical jobs will be reduced heavily in the future, and things will be done virtually.

But not only the next generations such as gen X or Z are using these games to make money.
But grown ups beyond their 40's are doing these sort of P2E games so to feed their families.
Which is kind of weird when you first hear about it.
This is not stable income for someone to rely on for their livelihood.
Wouldn't you who are reading and writing on this thread wholeheartedly agree with me on this or not?

I'd like to put an emphasis on the part where these developers reinvent themselves which in my opinion, doesn't really happen because most of them recycle the same concept and the only difference is that some are good at marketing that they're different or that they're a brand new thing when in reality and when you look much closer to what they're doing, it's not any different so there's basically no innovation or novel thing that happened whatsoever in the regard, that's why the crypto gaming hype quickly lost it's traction and hype, because a lot of developers didn't want to go for the long-term, they want the quick hype and quick cash grab.

Are you boldly telling us how credulous the people in Philippines are? I can't help but ask you this; why's that the case? Yeahh, cause we've got really tough set of people over here that will never fall for anythingi.
If everything begins to follow the pay-to-play scheme, aren't we gonna have free, but competitive games we could just hop on and play, just for fun?? It's obvious that everyone has to take an advantage of the technological transformation over time as a source to create wealth - regardless of if this was about the game providers, or the gamers themselves. It shows me a different approach; The game has lost its relevance and is also a promising route to fall for online betting companies.

Telegram bots have become a trend, not just here in the Philippines but also in other countries. They are completely free and can be played using a phone. This is favorable for those who don't have a PC and the capital to start in crypto. However, it's not yet at the level where it can sustain or provide a living. It will take months before their airdrop, and it's not even guaranteed that the project is legitimate and will make an airdrop. Not to mention the price and amount of tokens you will receive. But it's a good starting point.

Yeah, at least I agree with you saying that is not stable income for someone to rely on their livelihood. They can use it to playing the games to make money but not rely on it as they will difficult to collect the money. The games, all games have a purposes to gives fun to people in their spare time so they can enjoy the games with their friends or relatives. Yes, adult people also likes playing P2E games as I meet some friends who play games. But they don't play to make money but only for fun.

If they wants to make money, they can use other ways which can gives them a chance to make money. While they have jobs, they can playing the games in their spare and if they are lucky, they can make additional money for their children. But don't thinks that for their main job.

People now transfer to Telegram after this game trends and people before using a telegram for just casual communication and now the same with the X former twitter this is one of their tool now, I don't deny people keep hoping that this trending new NFT will become a life changer we know the axie becomes trend and people keep casually spend their money and now they hope this will happen again so possible they will change their life or do the casual spending again. As per checking this game already crowded and if they will release their token in the market sure it will immediately crash.

If Axie was very popular before and now has dumped a lot, although its volume is still good since it's trading on a big exchange, how much more for this one that is not yet popular in the overall market? I think they know that if they do that, they won't benefit, so maybe they are waiting for the market to be bullish to gain more buyers and make more money during those bullish moments in crypto.

It's been years since we've witnessed an altcoin bull run. Hopefully, it will come soon, but I'm also hoping that people will not fall for the trends that will just leave them with losses after the hype of the bull run subsides.

I agree, it's not a stable income. Sure they will make money out of those games but it's not a thing that could benefit you when you retire. You will receive nothing or worse, the game will end and you will have to start all over again by finding a new game that could make money and it's not going to make as good as the past one because you are starting from scratch.
I would not want to end up in that position where all my profits are slowly running out because I have to invest something in the new game so that I could rush the income that will come which is mostly the case in the gaming industry. You want to be on the top, you purchase what's needed to be purchased so you can feel the income faster and higher.

There is no problem with incentivising players with prizes or monetary rewards.

The issue is when the player becomes unhappy with such small rewards and wants something bigger.

This is how a gambling addiction can start.

Well that is what I have been saying about these play to earn games.
They don't look to be addictive at first but they draw you in with higher rewards until it feels like you are gambling.
And the addiction sets in because they seem to paying you more and more when you play.
But those can be reduced afterwards so you are kind of stuck with having to keep playing. So you don't feel as if you are losing out of your time used to get that far into the game in the first place.

Whatever is trending, and as long as there's money involved in it, add also the fact that it's FREE then our countrymen will always be there doing anything just to earn a few bucks.

I don't blame those people who are joining these Telegram bots since I also tried to join Hamster Kombat just to see how it is, but I hope that our countrymen will not get disappointed on how much free money they will get when the airdrop starts. The fact that it's completely free meaning it will be oversaturated. The amount of people that joined isn't directly proportional to the amount of airdrop tokens hence, they will only get a small amount that they will say "it isn't worth it". That's for sure. Airdrops isn't a sustainable way to provide a living. Also to think that it's free meaning anybody can join and create multiple accounts if they can do it.

Is it a good starting point? Yes it is, but I hope that our countrymen will lower their expectations when it comes to projects like this. Joining into these telegram bots that turns out to be an airdrop project isn't worth it for me since many will try to register, and knowing that it's free, it will not be worth it.

It's two folds though, how the game is design, could it be really be attractive to us, and then second, what are the incentives? And so at first I will say that it was really the incentive though, as how much it can give to a player itself. However, when the game starts to bore real gamers, despite the incentives, I don't think that they are going to stay on that game for so long.

The thing is that they might not really look at this games with regards to monetary rewards. Maybe they want to test it out first and see how they can be played and then they will talk about the incentive later. And Axie used to be like that as it is the prime mover in this P2E sector. But gamers grew tired of it and could have move to other P2E as there are a lot of Blockchain games since the advent in 2018.

That is the problem. Their "expectations" especially those newbie in crypto. It's like, they are putting all their hope in those TG games already. I've seen how anxious other players are when HK was down. Like what the heck are they panicking about? I was like that when I saw them. They can't even handle such simple situation. Down system is such a normal thing.

There's another one, the Blum. Many panicked when there is "hack" thing showed in their screen. Lol. I don't know if they are just weak-hearted. It's a free opportunity, nothing to lose, nothing to worry. Just a common sense and they will know if it's a real hack or not.

I've seen some desperate people who dabble in low-income jobs with terrible environments because they don't have much choice with it, so yeah it's not that surprising if some people think easy games with money are worth their time. At the end of the day if they don't get anything from this they'll eventually stop playing, or worse get addicted and fall into some trouble later on. Educating them probably won't work without giving them some tools to survive on their own, so that's that.

If they aren't risking money like in real gambling, then it's not an issue if they get addicted, as that would only mean they're making a lot of money. The risk would probably be their health, as they might not have a balanced life due to their addiction to making money through games. However, this trend is not going to last forever, so it's understandable why they're taking the opportunity to earn while they can.

Life is not easy in the Philippines, a country where corruption is rampant. This leads to a struggling economy and increased poverty, but people trying to find a way to earn money honestly should be commended for their efforts.

They are over expecting on unsure things and that's the problem what I see on that case. They always show that they are willing victim of those potential scams and also a free helper for spreading the information about their shady project.

That's why people should kill the idea about getting quick riches on those NFT games especially those airdrops since everything is unsure. Maybe they should find more better opportunity since from that there provably a big chance that there life might became more better.

The real problem is ignorance of people that's why its important for people to get knowledge first before they participate on something risky so that they will not came into a point that they get easily fooled by certain issues.

Yes, but you need to also understand. Gambling is not all about money either.
You can gamble with your health aswell.

So just as you have pointed out, there is an issue there for those who are spending vast amounts of time on these platforms wanting to earn as much rewards as possible so to cash in those rewards for the local currency.
These P2E games can be dressed as harmless games but in reality can be addictive and harmful to people who don't see themselves as having an addiction to them.
And can be just as harmful to an individual who is spending every waking hour gambling at a casino.

In other news, Telegram has now nearly a billion users thanks to these online gaming releases such as Hamster Kombat:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/23/4V122.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/07/23/4Vj4z.jpeg
https://beincrypto.com/telegram-hits-950-million-users-amid-crypto-gaming-euphoria

As there is an airdrop posed for this game, so many are expecting it to make them millionaires.
If this sort of mindset doesn't sound to you like gambling then I don't know what will. :D

^
Yeah, here we go again, just like the Axie Infinity hype. It is gambling because you tend to buy something on their game although they will say it is a play-to-earn game. I did that before buying an entry fee or investing something so you can either start the game or because you won't progress if you don't buy it.
It's obvious that it will always be a pyramid scheme, the early bird catches the biggest worms and it had been happening for every game that I tried and played.
For my fellow Filipinos, just be careful with what you will invest with. Do deep research please.
https://news.bitcoin.com/leader-of-russian-state-dumas-financial-market-committee-labels-hamster-kombat-a-scam-and-calls-for-its-termination/
Leader of Russian State Duma’s Financial Market Committee Labels ‘Hamster Kombat’ a ‘Scam’ and Calls for Its Termination

Can you really trust in what the Russia governing state has to say? It might be politically motivated because isn't the founder of Telegram from there? There are always something in the background causing these bans and terminations of a service.

Remember the very first video I posted on this thread?
There was a developer from PH and he was creating a P2E game.
So are you telling me none of these are legitimate and they will eventually scam their users in the end of playing and spending so much time and effort into these games?

Not that 100% trust on the words they say since we also need to have critical thinking to determine if there warning is political motivated and if they are aiming something in benefits for theirselves. But in the case of Hamster combat I guess they have point upon giving such warning to people since its like they are promising something that cannot convert into good and people might just get disappointed with them.

Yeah they gather lots of people since to many people market them as easy way to earn money that's why lots of people think about its easy to earn money by just simply participating on those tap games on telegram. The idea and execution is so simple and many people hope to get a lot of money this is the reason why Hamster combat community became huge.

You can trust in whatever that you want to. It is a freedom of having a working mind in deciphering things for yourself and not relying on others to do it for you.
But having a Russian CEO and having a financial state of that country getting your application banned outright seems very nefarious to me.

Here is what I posted at the beginning of this thread about it:

And at the beginning I had noticed there was a sort of announcement created for this game when it was first released atleast here on the forum by their thread:

^
Regarding that game, I hope this won't boost the hype about that game or whatever it is because I am still in doubt about it.
OKX Adds Hamster Kombat’s HMSTR Token to New Pre-Market Futures
https://dailycoin.com/okx-adds-hamster-kombats-hmstr-token-to-new-pre-market-futures/


It is a pyramid scheme, I don't doubt it. Where else will they get the funds to pay for players who are using the game? Truly, this project has attracted a lot of users and it's scary to think that we have not yet learned our lesson from different projects in the past that have the same feature.
It's just the same as the crypto games that I played before. There will be features that can only be accessed by those who invested money to generate more profits but at the end of the day, those who invested last will have some trouble making their ROI especially when this game suddenly rug-pulled the project.

It is sad to hear that you have such a difficult situation in your country. It is really difficult when high unemployment and low wages prevent people from providing for their families. I hope that the Philippines can come out of the crisis and improve the economic situation so that people can find stable and decent jobs.

Heard that it is listed on some well known exchanges.
Might already be on Binance on their Binance chain or even Coinbase with their base chain.
So if there is any doubt, it doesn't really matter since it has corporate investors invovled.
Thus does not really matter at this point of the game, if you know what I mean.

As for it being a ponzi scheme, when the players are getting paid I really don't think they care if it is or not.
They will roll with it just as long they are getting paid until that it stops then they know the game is over at that point.
Literally.

The solution is working abroad, Filipinos have decent English skill, hard worker and humble, so developed countries do need them for blue collar jobs. Even though they only earn minimum wages in developed countries, but the salary is enough to survive there and they can still send some amount for their family.

Literally it happens in most projects, when the price is too high, the owner choose to sell their coins and abandon the project because it's not easy for project to survive after first ATH.

However, millions will think they are still early enough so they will try to get ahead of those in the rear by spending a bit, then by working their asses off worse than at a normal job, and the world will only know about those that were truly the first and made hundreds of thousands while the millions left will pennies will not make the news.


Oh, nice


I find it a bit ironic, after Russia was airing clips on how Europeans will eat their hamster pets because of famine and cold, now suddenly we're sabotaging their economies and the brains of their citizens with virtual hamsters.

What would be interesting would be to see the geographic spread of this, I have a feeling it's deepening correlated with the average wage.

I hope that someday Filipinos will be able to find good work opportunities at home and won't have to go abroad to make a living. It would be great if the economic situation improves enough so that people can stay with their families and still earn a decent income.

Yes, I think it is. That's the plan in their roadmap, to be listed in different exchanges in July of 2024 so they might've listed also in not so popular exchanges but it's still going to help boost their hype and I don't think that would do good for the crypto community.

Another country is claiming this game has become a problem for them.
How Telegram Game Hamster Kombat Got 300 Million Users—and the Ire of Iran’s Military
https://www.wired.com/story/telegram-game-hamster-kombat-massive/

So we could say many Iranians are also playing this game. It looks like it is widespread in most of the countries in Asia because many Filipinos are also hooked on this. Well, it's okay if they will have nothing to lose but when you invest something, be sure to pull out when there's a chance for profit.
Still, I would not recommend it to anyone. It may not take your money as a free player but the time will be a distraction to our daily household/work tasks just like what Iran authorities are saying.

After reading that article I got curious, I tried checking what was happening as a free player only. I don't know why it's a distraction since there are only tasks that can be done once. Maybe I am missing something or it's different when you are invested.

If they cant be able to find online, then why they cant really just that find out locally or physically? It is really just that there are people who are really that too lazy on doing stuffs.
When it comes to opportunity then there are really tons of opportunity on which you could really be able to take or something that you could really be able to deal with.
As for making up some living via gambling then it would really be just that 101% gamble and its not something that would really be worth that you should be taking into consideration.

Gambling should really be just that for fun and on the time or moment that you do see yourself that engaging into it then enjoyment and entertainment is something that could be felt.
There are really just that people's desperation on what makes other people who do have what it takes despite of that huge potential loss or negative then it
will really causing up such huge problem.

Ton coin telegram's token gets listed on Binance:
https://www.theblock.co/post/310222/binance-toncoin-ton-spot-trading

Even though CZ is in jail until September, so he will be released next month.
https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/bnb-rallies-as-cz-begins-jail-term-202406032024

Sentenced in April but paid the fine so reduced to 4 months:
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/06/03/former-binance-ceo-cz-begins-4-month-prison-sentence-in-california
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/30/binance-founder-changpeng-zhao-cz-sentenced-to-four-months-in-prison-.html

While checking youtube early today noticed these playable games within the site:
https://www.youtube.com/playables

They say no downloads.

So are big tech companies starting to see how successful these in-games are and looking to capitalize on it from the wake of telegram P2E games?
Seems like they are testing the waters then might start their own ecosystem of tokenization in the future if the numbers are right to them,

So, I am still testing that Hamster Kombat game and I think I know now why Iran's government is calling it a distraction. The game requires time to acquire the points because it replenishes so quickly that you almost have to open it every hour or less just to get those points. Then, there are the other daily rewards and how to earn more that will take some time to receive them.
Now I realize this is not just an idle game, it's like you are playing a text-based game in exchange for rewards and you are upgrading your skills to acquire more of the tokens. I have not opened it for like 2 days and I saw that it didn't give me the points that I should have considering it should be more.
Still, I am not hooked on this game, I don't find it appealing, Iran is probably right that this is just a distraction and could be a waste of time in the future.

Also, I have not seen yet where is the part that players could buy the coins to rush their token accumulation.


Checked. It says the page is not available. Have you seen what's inside of it?

Yes here are the games available to play but only within the youtube site:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/09/54NQ8.jpeg
So it might be region restricted.

As for Iran's restriction on Hamster Kombat towards their citizens, they are a country looking to designate war recently so they are restricting any outside influence that can be detrimental to their region's security and this a warranted action by their military.

How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

Did hamster kombat did end up on having a value? I thought this one had been dump into the garbage considering on the delays but cant really be denied that this one did really make out such huge hype.
Now the current hype is on $DOGS now which is also that getting basing up on the age of your Telegram account. Now that we are really just that seeing that everything is really according to hype.
Although it wont really be that giving out that kind of assurance that you will really be that making money but well as bounty or free things then it wont really be that so bad.

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Going back about crypto games for a living then it wont really be something that will really be making out that guarantee that you could really make money anytime. There's no assurance
that any project that you would really be tending to deal with will really be ending up successful. This is why if you do rely your living with this then most of the time you would be fucked up.
There's no way taht y ou could really be able to sustain for long term because if we do tend to look around on which tons of projects are really that ending up on shit
or having no value of their tokens.

I am not checking the value of their token but I do check the application when I have some time.
Yesterday, they posted a message about how airdrops will be given and it's about the keys that one player receives. The more keys the higher the size of an airdrop each participant will receive.
So, I tried their games where you will receive the keys, and damn it's exhausting. Ads after ads and if you are a gamer of Android applications you will probably hate it. Also, the advertisements popping out are not simple 5-second ads, they take 30 - 45 seconds before they end so you will get sleepy before you can even get one key from playing their games.
Perhaps this is where they will get some of the money for their profits but I doubt it will be the one that will be given to the participants. It's true, it might just become another Axie in the future.

One of the main reasons on why i dont really touch up these kind of games on the time that you would really be needing to deal up with advertisements. Its true that it would be just fine if its a 5 second ads
but taking 45-60 then it would really be not worth of your time and it would be better that you should really be doing something which is worth and something that would really be productive.
I have already learnt a lesson with this kind of set up when dealing up with ads related type of games. Remember "Bubble rangers" on which they are really having that kind of option on removing
the ads for $10 on which i have purchased that one and on the time that they do have that TGE then you are really just that getting peanuts. I was really that positive towards that project considering
on the game and on the tokenomics or simply in overall then you could say that it does have the potential but ending up on being a shit. This is why im not never considering on taking up such kind of
airdrops or having those kind of promises. Just like on what everyone is really that saying on here that there's no assurance that you could make money constantly with airdrops.

Crypto games seem to be with us forever, because after AKSI showed how much it can be in demand by players with great interest all over the world. Although I do not play these games, because I am too old and cannot compete with the younger generation, for them it is a great opportunity to earn money in their free time. Of course, these games cannot compete with CS2 or DOTA2, but you can earn money here. Moreover, I think that crypto games will gradually evolve and improve graphic design, tokenomics and eventually they will become very popular. I think that those who start their journey in these games will be able to earn quite a lot.

Do you mean Axie? Yes, that's true. I really think that crypto games can be great injected with cryptocurrencies. Other companies are already doing it like WeMade and I think they are successfully giving back to the players by using their NFT feature. Still, I don't like the idea of a pyramid scheme like what Axie did and other crypto games that will obviously milk the players first before they can give back unlike others who are relying on advertisements too so that they can continue their business.

I think what they need to improve is how to give back without spending too much. Then, getting a great value of their own token by using a strong marketing team for investors to come in and hold the tokens to create more value. It's a gamble but every cryptocurrency started with that including Bitcoin which first investors did gamble their money and now they are reaping their rewards.

Now if they can create a game that people will get engulfed in such as this new trailer that amazon put out of a movie they will be releasing at the end of this year about the video game genre, then they will have something worth spending hours of your day on:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/24/7WKL8.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/24/7Wbq3.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/24/7W8tZ.jpeg
SECRET LEVEL Reveal Trailer (2024) Prime Video | 4K UHD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tEgL8mRQkw

Due to it just being visually stunning!

Imagine if they made a world in VR just like this.
People would be spending all their living hours on it and getting paid to do it in a type of in-game currency.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/24/7Wiaf.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/24/7WB7D.jpeg
The possibilities are unless at that point!

I am also a believer that games can be well collaborated with cryptocurrencies. But we've seen it with these NFT games that have became popular but in the end, the hands of the game really is on the hands of the developers and on how they're going to cope with the demand of the market and as well as the demand of the players. I think that those that treats it as a pyramid scheme is because for one to win, there has to be a loser. That's the probable logic that they've got in their minds.

Well, losing and winning is also in gambling so it's not just all about that logic but also has a gamble scheme if we're going to base that about whoever becomes first is the winner and the next ones has to sustain the winners profit.

They should have done that long before when they're on the peak. But then, it's all about the priorities of the devs and for the main project of Sky Mavis which is the Ronin token and their platform, I am not impressed with how their games are having because they're all circulating still on Axie which IMO is good but they need to do something else to catch people's attention again and if they're able to find success there, they should be careful if that time comes.

I agree with all your pointers out there.

Sure, Axie was one of the successful cryptocurrency-based games, especially in terms of how they market it. But you are right, they cannot just repeat what they did because the people now are looking for something new, something that is not Axie.
I played Plants versus Undead, it's like Axie which relies on the strength of your plants to give you more profits, I played My Defi Pet and it's almost the same as Axie where it also relies on your pet's strength. Most of it was gambling your money to see if you could create something strong to enhance your profits.
I think the only different one was the MMORPG-based crypto games because you could somehow grind your way and still profit in the process. I didn't spend anything in MIR4 and yet I made a lot of money in-game by selling gold and then I sold my whole account using the NFT feature.

It can be done. It just needed a good developer with the right purpose and not a rug pull.

Do not know if anyone on here was aware that Telegram's CEO was arrested over the weekend.
Telegram CEO Pavel Durov’s detention extended following arrest in France
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france

Not sure if this will affect their business in the slightest or it will just operate fine since the exact same thing happened to CZ with Binance and he will be released in the coming weeks from his four month term for similar charges except for the drug trafficking part of it.

This is not a game, but simply a way to mine tokens. This method was invented in the Notcoin project, and then this method became popular due to its simplicity. The Hamster Kombat project became widespread mainly because it was widely distributed by crypto influencers. But recently, as the media writes. There was a quarrel between the founders and influencers in the project. Influencers were unhappy that the "mining" lasted too long and the founders of the project were just sitting on advertising traffic and did not give anything for development. This leads to a decrease in the popularity of the project. This also leads to the fact that influencers stop covering this project, give it negative assessments and cover alternative projects. Unfortunately, the project is dying due to the greed, stupidity and incompetence of the founders.

Now that you've mentioned MMORPG-based crypto game and MIR4 despite that I haven't played that, I have witnessed people made money there by just investing their time and no money included. If these companies will create a new gaming project, they really need to do something different and not just copy paste a former project and do it with some money involved in the process of playing the game. It might work but it is not sustainable.

I've seen some projects that have tried to revive old games which might work too but if it's about sustainability and with money involved, developers need to do something on it. Because they have to make money but also their players too and they need to balance everything so that it will be a win-win for them and also to the players that will dedicate their time and money on it. But again, IMHO, it's gonna take time while we see another crypto game that will storm the market and community with the same impact on what Axie did.

Wow! I didn't know that happened. I mean I am not updated with them because I was not taking the game seriously and I just want to test what is happening inside the said application.
After reading your post, I checked some news about it and I found this which was recently posted.

‘Hamster Kombat’, Other TON Games Protest Arrest of Telegram CEO Pavel Durov
https://decrypt.co/246339/hamster-kombat-ton-games-protest-arrest-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov


There's already a problem with the founders of Hamster Kombat and now this.
I think the investors would not be pleased at what is happening and I am seeing a lot of players pulling out of this application and perhaps just looking for a new thing where they could spend their time.

Ads could really help.
MIR4 has ads inside the game too but they are giving it back to the players by means of points where it could be used to draw gacha items in the game. Even if it's a small amount, that is still money that could help survive the game.

At this point I am pretty sure most of the forum is aware of the arrest of Pavel. Actually, it is a hot topic in the alternative currencies section of the forum, because how the news has made the price of TONcoin to dump almost a fifteen percent in less than twenty-four hours...
As a side note and having more to do with the topic of this thread you opened, since TONcoin reached the Top 10 of cryptocurrencies by market capitalization, there certainly many gambling and Play-to-Earn projects being developed in their main chain, as itnis shifter and lighter than developing within the Ethereum main chain.
Time will tell, as it stands for now, there have been many people who has lost money because of this news, I expect Pavel to stay in custody for at least some months, due to the nature of the charges being brought against him.  :(

That's how it should go, while the pockets of the players could be the main source of these games revenue and what they're going to give back to their community. They could be open in advertisement and any sponsorships just to keep going with the game without hitting the pockets of the player but at the same time, they're giving back. Well, there are really different thoughts and plans for each game's development and if the main goal is to give fun to the players, I don't think that many of these developers have that goal.

The main plan of the most of them is to make money and not to miss the train when the game they have developed became on hype. We've seen various games that have became popular but then lost its popularity a little by little and that's one of the realities into these games that the devs will never be able to control. Like players are growing up and getting older and the interest changes but if they retain a good and sustainable economy, I don't think players that benefit the game will quit.

I guess that these devs have realized that creating a hype and making the game's temporary success is easy than maintaining it and regaining its glory.

Thought to start playing they don't require to pay anything , just as they progress through the game and level up then they would. But not at first.
Heard some news today they were going to stop the game since the trouble the platform that they are using has been in the since last week with the arrest of their current CEO and investigations happening as we speak.
Essentially a rug-pull by the game developers of Hamster Kombat because they can not afford to keep the company going with the in-game currency dumping along with the platform's own TON coin.

You have touched upon a very interesting philosophical question. Indeed, why shouldn't play-to-earn game developers maintain interest in their games over the long term? Of course, it is difficult. But nevertheless, there is nothing impossible about it. Players' interests do change, but this does not mean that developers cannot follow these interests and adjust game mechanics to their interests. However, those commentators who claim that the main goal of game developers is to wait for the hype, secure profits and abandon the game are right. We see this scenario almost always.

Simple, money!
You understand that in order to play to earn somebody must bring in the money for your reward, you have millions of players you need to bring in millions. You have for example 10 million players, each needs to make like $100 a month to be happy, this translates into 1 billion each month that needs to be injected in the game, 12 billion each year, this can be possible only if you add new 120 million players and each spends for started on average $100. Now you have 130 million players that each want $100 a month so....get ready... 170 billion is needed each year or 20 times!!!!! the revenue of Blizzard or Electronic Arts.

The problem with all those games is that they have been built on an MLM scheme basis, they produce unlimited tokens that need unlimited resources, and it's simply impossible for them to survive in the long run.
Imagine what would be the price of any item in the world if everyone started making it, every single person in the world would plant potatoes for example, the outcome would be that potatoes would be worthless since everyone has more than they need and nobody buys it, such is the problem with play to earn models.


If Hamster Kombat turns into a rugpull it will be the end of mini-games and their tokens, there will be millions of frustrated users who have spent hours working for this stuff and if they don't get anything decent they will never touch these kinds of games again!

I am a big fan of crypto games but all in all I am here for the money, I don't care what will happen after, and right now I see that Sony is creating a layer 2 for web3 games too called Sonieum, also a big web3 game is already listed on Sony store, I believe gaming will do well in coming months.

Gaming is also gambling too because you won't always win, even in web2 games you can't always beat the boss until you find it weak point, come to think about Call of duty multiplayer, there will always be others that are tougher than you, so you won't always win.

Right now there isn't a perfect game built with good tokenomics, most of them are like ponzi kinda, but like I've said, I don't care about that but the money that I am ready to make in the bull market, as for gamers in Philippines, my advice is they should get into the games early, the longer the game is the harder it gets to make money out of them.

Seen many ads and friends talking about it.

Is hamster kombat actually legit or a scam ? are people able to convert those to real money ?

I use telegram alot but never really looked into all these things  :o

Nobody really knows since this is an ongoing investigation on the CEO of the company platform where he is being charged with some serious allegations including illegal gambling, drug trafficking and distribution of sexually explicit images of minors. And there is no getting away with that if found to be guilty of doing any sort of those activities.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/28/9G1GC.jpeg
https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1828151621651447908

They are set to make their decision on his fate later on today:
https://financialpost.com/pmn/french-prosecutors-set-to-charge-or-release-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-as-his-custody-order-expires
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/28/9GLfb.jpeg
https://x.com/CP24/status/1828747450422882781

A little of a background check on how this person got into his business it is today which  it's wealth of information is more valuable to governments officials across the globe than one might think:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/28/9GoHH.jpeg
https://time.com/7015129/pavel-durov-arrest-france-telegram

Think of what happened to Andrew Tate of his most recent arrest in Romania with being charged with human trafficking to know the extend governments will go to apprehend individuals who are vocal about freedoms they are entitled too and see them as a problem.
https://www.politico.eu/article/telegram-pavel-durov-arrest-emmanuel-macron-france-social-media

Macron was seen checking his telegram right after he landed in France and arrested right infront of him.
French President Macron Continues To Use Telegram After CEO Durov's Arrest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQAieE7z_yg

Well, there's some news about it although it's not new anymore because they've mentioned it before about the TGE and it has been delayed. I've seen the community of it not really impressed at all and are expecting for some more delays from the announced one recently.

They are right, most of these play to earn games are launched at the right time. Like this time, we're on the bull run and many of them are starting to push their projects because interest of the people are there once again. But if they're going to launch that on a bear market, they won't get that much attention for sure.

Durov who was in custody since late last week had been released and transferred to French court for possible indictment.
"Whatever Durov’s portrayal a government arresting the founder and CEO of a popular social media platform over its content is considered extraordinary and historic.
After France's officials detained Durov, Telegram released a statement saying that “its absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform,” adding that the platform complies with European Union laws."
source: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/28/nx-s1-5091295/telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-french-custody-investigation

That could be also said about Ulbricht and the Silk Road who ended up with a double life sentence for over the last decade.

It's only unknown crypto projects that are doing it though which pop-up outta nowhere and equally fast to disappear and they don't make a dent in overall gaming industry, mainstream studios are still sticking with usual in-game items as rewards.


They are doing it on their own free will, and no one is forcing them to play, so how is that taking advantage? If they do not find it worth it, they can stop playing, as simple as that.

Regardless whether such games are total scams or not, telegram being in trouble is super bad news as many legit sites use it extensively for their business

$HMSTR will be launched in just about a month and alot of it depends on telegram still being 'legal' is most countries, Even India hinted they might be looking at the shady stuff happening in some corners of telegram  :o :o

I don't know how Durov could get away from his cases.

Telegram founder faces probe into alleged ‘acts of violence’ against his child in Switzerland
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/telegram-pavel-durov-swiss-child-allegations-intl-latam/index.html
It's piling up.
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Now the big question: How this will affect the crypto games in the Telegram application? One of them is Hamster Kombat which is being played by millions of people. I bet there are a lot of investors and players who are now doubting where the project's future is. Did the make the wrong gamble or will it still continue its promise?
 
I mean, this is a big problem considering it's the Telegram founder who is being accused of many cases and that is where their application is set.

Telegram isn't in trouble just because Durov has been arrested. But maybe he is unless he will step down as the CEO to protect the company.

Finally, the TGE for Hamster Kombat has come. I don't have it but I am happy for my friends that have been tapping for so long that this has now been supported in the exchanges that they can trade the token that will be generated. Some exchanges have already gave the date of listing it and it is in less than a month now. Hope for it folks that there won't be any reason for them anymore to delay it.

TGE what is that exactly? Exchange listing if it is then which one will it be available for trading once it is released to all those users?
On the very first day expect a massive dump of the coin on to that exchange then.

Also was wondering about another thread I had just noticed about:
PH Senator pushes a Ban to POGOs and All Sort of Online Gambling...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5501566.0

Will this affect the P2E ecosystem because I believe the Philippines will find a way to say this is gambling and to have it banned under this law they look to put in place.
We can all agree that any government, no matter which corner of the world you are in, will try and find a way to tax or outright ban if it's citizens are making an income that is not in their control.

Yes, it's the exchange listing as well. TGE means token genetion event. I am also guessing that a massive dump is about to come there. But it won't be surprising if some delay might possible happen again as it did before.

P2E is different from gambling so I don't think that there's any relation to that. But who knows soon if some connection will be done by the rulers, officials or senators for something to push like that.

This is so true, no can skip that taxation from whatever we're all earning from.

^^
P2E is a form of gambling because are you guaranteed anything after you play? Certainly not.
Players are investing their time into the game, so if those who are playing do not view their time as valuable than it wouldn't be considered gambling.
As someone had mentioned before these games on telegram require you to make in-game purchases so to level up and continue playing, so they have hooked them in right when starting to play the game thinking they can just play for free and earn. But it is at a slower rate and will take them years to achieve in weeks from what they would if they just paid for those in-game purchases.

Something called the TGCasino telegram casino made some news this past week of the CEOs arrest in France:
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source: https://sbcnews.co.uk/featurednews/2024/08/27/durov-telegram-illicit-game

The arrest of Durov is a delicate matter, as for us who we are outside the spotlight it's hard to measure how conniving he was with the criminals operating inside Telegram. Was he really conniving with drug dealers, terrorists and children abusers, or was he just ensuring the privacy right of each Telegram's user?

At same time, are French authorities defending the society from the corruption practiced by the criminals, or are they just using this situation as an excuse to completely get rid of privacy for the common citizen?

After all, Telegram is only good or evil depending the person who is making usage of this tool. The offensive against Telegram is a pitty for those who just want to have their privacy respected, but on the other hand, it's good that criminals are having their schemes stopped somehow, even if temporarily.

@rdbase, now it's all coming out.

Unregistered gambling platforms inside Telegram. I have heard of this but didn't try it because there are so many options out there so why the heck should I gamble in a platform that is used for messaging? I just don't get it.
Anyway, there's so many things that Telegram seems to be having a hard time cleaning up and that includes scammers and rug pull projects using their platforms to victim people.

Now, they added more such as gambling and investment applications such as Hamster Kombat. I bet Durov will have a hard time escaping this one despite all the support that he is getting from different popular people.

And there's even an article telling the story of Durov and the start of Telegram here.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/09/05/pavel-durov-s-arrest-marks-the-emergence-of-sovereign-digital-spaces_6724871_23.html#


I guess that's the reason why it's filled with black agendas. Censorship. Governments won't like that. :D

Due to it's own in-app currency called TON coin.
They want it's users to make use of it so to have it become more valuable towards the cryptocurrency market.
But due to recent events with Durov it has backfired and lost a significant amount while it was on a surge upwards towards the $6.80usd mark. Last I looked it was hovering around $4.68usd when you view the coin's chart there was a dramtic dump in the price once news broke of his arrest.

But I agree with your very last statement, the CEO had no recollection of what is going on with his app and it has become an entity on it's own devoid of any sort of control at this point.
And this is including those unregistered gambling platforms.

I found this nice article for us to read. It talks about Pavel Durov and how it might affect the digital freedom.

Digital Freedom on Trial: Telegram’s CEO in Custody
https://tradeflock.com/arrest-allegations-accountability/
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Is It an Attack on Digital Freedom?

Consistency. I think what the writer wants to point out is it should be fair to Durov since a lot of social media applications are also not too good at content moderation. Not just X and Facebook, there's a lot more out there.
So why Telegram?
The home of: Gambling? Scam attempts? Cryptocurrency project rugpulls? Well, we can also see a lot of those on Facebook and it actually was the first home of such things.

It's scary and if these charges do get him in jail for a long time, the other application owners who do the same should now be careful with their contents. Or, will it just be Durov? Now that will be questionable.

It is gambling on a different way. When I heard about MMORPG being injected with cryptocurrencies and NFT's I saw an opportunity to make money too and so I tried them. I am a fan of MMORPG ever since I was a kid. i.e. Ragnarok, Flyff, and more.
In that era, you spend money by buying scratch cards so that you could log-in the game, without it you cannot even play.
Now, it's way different, you can play for free and they made it better, you can make money out of it and if you want to make money faster, you buy their premiums and VIP. So, yes, it is gambling in a different way, the same with the likes of gacha games which for me is a waste of money because all you are receiving is entertainment but nothing in return. 

Everybody has their own choice and preference, if they've been entertained instead of expecting something in return and yet there's no frustrations then it's not a big deal. We just need to have patience on this certain idea since the involvement here is play for free and once subscribing to vip will be the best decision to make then that's an independent idea for everybody who really wanted those games they like in crypto considering gambling is the main concern.

It's just that the main goal of game developers is the reason why they launched it in the first place. There are goals for this, for example, buying VIP items so that developers can make a profit. I stopped playing cryptocurrency games a long time ago because they are primitive and I can't stand them, even if they offer me a minimum income. In the end, it all comes down to competing with each other and if the players who play without over-crying are too strong, then we simply have no chance against them. These are mainly schoolchildren who skip school and have plenty of time for this. It is impossible for me, an adult, to compete with them in the game and I understand this.

I agree with you! We need to be patient with this new innovations, you can never tell what good will come out of it. it's just like airdrops, people literally play games do task, accumulate points or coins and on listing it's being converted to whatever monetary value the project owners have built it with. So this game might not be different, people already play games online some people, spend hours gaming just for the fun of it so converting that m time they spend into money looks like a win win situation.

Although, I'm not certain how long they have to play the game, how much they get from it but a Philippine in this trend said they even earn from this games more than their minimum salary so I guess it's a good option for them and we should just give the project time to to grow better. In summary if people can play games for hours for fun they might as well do it and get paid and with time just like airdrops or crypto decide what to do with the money.

Somehow gaming is well known activities for Filipinos and I find it more ideal on what they currently do with these P2A games out there since instead of wasting their time playing those games which didn't give them benefits or return, they could able to monetized their time by playing those enjoyable P2A games which currently available right now.

We don't know their financial status, but I think they are not relying their income to those games since for sure that they know everything is unstable or unsure with those projects. Provably majority of them is just doing their thing in that category when they have free time. Some may stay since maybe they like the game they are playing and might they engage with pay to earn which provably implemented to get their chance more higher to win and earn good figures if the project succeed.