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We have Maximum of 5-10 days If we don't lower rates everything Will fall.
The USA fed money market repo operation funding daily the world but it's empty now.
In order to fill it up fed needs cut rates otherwise we fall down Banks wount work and many issues.
However that's why smartest people have stablecoins and cryptocurrency Because crypto is like last rock where you can stand on in middle of the big ocean.

I don’t know if I believe in impending doom if they don’t lower rates in 5-10 days but it’s clear they must start this year. I think I read it’s highly likely they begin cutting in September. Anything before that would be great though.

How do you get the information or data that if the Fed doesn't reduce interest rates the world will collapse? Coming up with a source or a more detailed analysis would help us understand your position. The Fed's target is to reduce interest rates when inflation rates is 2% target or below but the rate is about 2.7%. But the decline in the US job market might force the Fed to reduce the interest rate maybe two times this year. But I am not sure that this reduction won't happen in the July meeting.

Call me in 10 days!


You have nothing, and honestly, only ou get tired of those?
How many accounts, how many topics, how many of everything are you going to post just in the end to look like a fool and a broken record that spouts nonsense? Don't you think it's time to move on? Do something worthwhile with your time even if it seems you have like an infinite supply of free time.


Mushrooms, alcohol, heat, boredom, mental problems, plenty of sources for even the weirdest scenarios.

Who are they and where is the link to the source on this?


Are you part of those that have made this discussion and are ready to put effect on its implementation, because over many years now, we have been hearing a lot of warnings and signals about this and that, yet nothing has happened and the world has not ended.


This is not possible, they know how to maneuver their way through, this is not the first time the interest rate is rising or falling.

The Fed is no joke at all. They play a part in maintaining the financial machine in perfect functioning order. But the belief that without them we are doomed? Pure theatrics. We are a strong species having gone through worse. This is only a change of market; it is not the end. Panic does not get us anywhere

Crypto, THAT'S where it's at right now. It is volatile? Sure, like a goddamn rocket launch, but that's the nature of innovation. It's disruptive, forceful, the future. We are discussing actual ownership, distributed finance, and upsetting the established norm. Though the banks might not enjoy it, guess what? Not everything in evolution is beautiful. Thus, I am investing my money where my mouth is since crypto is the entire fleet ready to sail us into a new economic era, not only a lifeboat in a storm

The US crumbles and goes default and a few countries go with it.
But its not the end of the world.

And it can never be the end of the world; the only implication won't be far from what the world is already facing (economic hardship).
 
There is no doubt that a low interest rate can bring about great opportunity in solving some of the economic crises, but it can never be as harsh as when the OP is predicting that everything will end in the coming days. If not, he or she is just being delusional.

Reducing interest rates is not necessarily a great opportunity to solve some economic crises, it all depends. Just like the current situation, inflation has not shown signs of cooling down significantly and inflation is still not under control, reducing interest rates now will not be good for the economy. It will cause even greater inflation if the Fed suddenly cuts interest rates and that is why they still have no intention of cutting interest rates even though many people complain about keeping interest rates at high levels for a long time.

Interest rates that are too high or too low both have advantages and disadvantages and depending on the economic situation, the Fed will offer the most appropriate interest rate to keep the economy in the best state.

couldn't agree more with this statement, it's hedge against inflation, the big guys like black rock seems to think the same way too, so i guess i will also just try to accumulate.

with the uncertain economic situation right now, seems like accumulation of gold, lands, crypto or whatever it is that could help us fight against inflation becomes multiple fold more interesting than ever before.
so for the people that already ahead of the other by investing their money into something that actually grow, they already saved themselves from having to face difficult economy.

The world won’t end. Some companies will go bankrupt, many people will lose their jobs and life will go on. The FED shouldn’t lower the rates because these zombie corporations didn’t deserve to exist in the first place. If they lower the rates in September, and it looks like they will, then nothing will get fixed. We will have the same inflation problem back in our hands.

The fix, the solution, the medication should give us pain. It is the only way to recover from this state of sickness.

Too many mistakes happened in the past and to rewind the process, many people will have to suffer. There is no easy way out. Don’t worry though the FED can’t afford to fix the real problem. Nobody can.

LOL this is like those shitty mainstream medias that use "reliable sources that wanted to remain unnamed" and then say whatever they want :D

Usually when you want to make weird predictions like this, you should extend the period to something far longer than 10 days so that people don't remember what you said by then ;)

No, it is only funding the US regime's adventures while exporting that inflation to stupid countries that willingly buy it from FED.

The economic hardship, inflation and recession are getting worse but things won't "collapse" anytime soon. Specially since the world is dedollarizing and the more they do it the less they'll be affected by the US economic collapse.

Only stupidest people who have no understanding of the cryptocurrency world think a centralized shitcoin controlled by a shady company called "stablecoin" is a reliable thing.



I'll see you again in 10 days...

You think highly of yourself to give them that clockdown.

I might agree with you on that but for crypto not with stablecoins. But it is obvious that you're in a bitcoin forum and a world's renown crypto forum for which whoever has cryptocurrencies on hold are the smartest one mainly bitcoin. And that is because we prefer to invest into crypto, bitcoin or if we've got other investments, we've got more of it because this is how we're making money here and we're avoiding the direct hit from fiat that's being caused by the feds.

I talked with top experts they told we might not have 10 days Even USA moneymarkets are empty of money all ready

well the adjustment is due July 31. So your 5-10day part is right.

My guess is no cut and we crash.

Yes you are right they don't cut but in 2 months they will

Even if the Fed doesn't cut interest rates this year, it could never cause the world economy to collapse . It might be more difficult if they were determined to keep interest rates high for a long time, but causing a collapse would be unlikely because that wouldn't be in the Fed's interest either.
Have you ever thought that if the Fed let the world economy collapse, how would that benefit them ? They gain nothing by letting the economy collapse.

Don't try to teach them what to do and what should be done to help the economy because they are the creators of this game and we are just their puppets.

they have a vested interest in crashing this. world wide economy is very much like musical chairs. 🪑 there is a lot of wealth and there are chairs and there are people. if you do not play the music every one will stay put in a chair and the wealth won’t flow from sector to sector . the fed is the music 🎶 and raising and lowering rates forces wealth to shift around.

We all know
real estate = a wealth sector
precious metal = a wealth sector
stocks = a wealth sector
bonds = a wealth sector
arts+ collectibles = a wealth sector
cash+ cds = a wealth sector
insurance + annuities = a wealth sector.


high rates mean bonds whale 🐳 high rates are good for insurance and annuities.

In the USA boomers are aging out and becoming demented with dementia.

And boomers hold about six trillion in private Long term care policies and annuities.

The 10 biggest companies running those accounts have five to six trillion in assets which by usa law need to be in bonds.
in late 2021 and early 2022 every one of those ten companies was facing possible bankruptcy due to  extended time of low bond interest rates. the only way to save them was to raise fed rates or kill all the demented boomers collecting from their policies .

Well they did kill lots of people in nursing homes in 2020 2021 and 2022 but the pandemic kill rate was not enough for a bailout thus rates got jacked up 🆙. I know all this as I am caring for my bro in law he has two policies one at Genworth  one at John Hancock.  These companies ratings have risen with the rates.

https://ratings.ambest.com/DisclosurePDF.aspx?AMBNum=6681 john hancock is now A+ and aa- long term

https://ratings.ambest.com/DisclosurePDF.aspx?AMBNum=59780 genworth is now B+ long term

both have picked way up due to high rates

all these companies would like the high rates.  but of course real estate wants low. crypto want low stock market wants low.


if the feds can crash things if will stop inflation for a few years. they can lower rates and the cycle repeats.

if the feds lowers rates and prevents a crash inflation will not stagger and its a fail.

I figure they crash it all one more time. So I look for flat rates July 31 and maybe a cut in sept.

My top experts agree with you i see you got good info

According to the most recent meeting, Chairman Jerome Powell also confirmed there will be at least one interest rate cut this year , and the Fed will have two more meetings this year: in September and December. Therefore, more than 90% predict an interest rate cut will fall in September this year when it has not happened in July . It is not difficult to predict.
But if you look at Q2 GDP which was 2.8% and it was double the 1.4% of Q1 and we need to know that GDP has increased, we cannot ask inflation not to increase . Therefore, whether the Fed will reduce interest rates in September or not is still uncertain . They can continue not to lower interest rates if the indexes do not meet their expectations .

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/28/4euqc.jpeg
source: bloomberg finance

1) Every bitcoiner remembers the collapse of 2008 because Bitcoin was created out of those ashes. And we have been seeing the same signs of another collapse.
2) I've also talked about the economic crisis in the West more than anybody else in this board. A crisis that is only going to get worse considering nothing has changed (Europe is deindustrializing and the world is dedollarizing).

* But it is not possible to predict when that catastrophic collapse is going to happen. And there is no such thing as "top experts" specially when they are unnamed ;)

As for "USA moneymarkets" they've been empty of "money" ever since Bretton Woods days and the US economy has been turning into more of a Ponzi scheme ever since. But that also doesn't mean a predictable date for its demise. There are still stupid regimes (like Japanese one) that are purchasing that debt and destroying their own economy to keep US economy alive.

We live in a worldwide entangled economy. Some restrictions are good, most restrictions are pretty bad.
Globalización was done to give western industries a leverage over the smaller countries' industries, companies like Nestle, among others, had a feast decade on their buying spree.  The big 4 (car industries USA) signed manufacturing rights so those countries could assemble cars, 200 a Year. In exchange for Not so free trade in used cars. Just as a few examples- 

Crisis? We are in recession with an excess in money, money held by fewer organizations. Fewer  organizations means that there is less spread.
Consumers make the engine run. Bitcoin became popular when Bitcoin was spread, nowadays hardly anyone spreads wealth.

Central banks are often populated by so-called experts but they always seem to be behind the curve when it comes to the economy. They act like they have some huge forecasting knowledge, but the reality is they have fractionally more information and guessing ability than any random person with a bit of economic sense. They waited far too long before they raised rates, then had to raise them super high to counteract their previous lax behavior and now they are probably delaying too long rather than slowly bringing down rates over time. The fact they seem to do things all-or-nothing is a bit lousy, they could have easily been notching the rates down for a while now and spread out the downward trajectory.

Hilarious! Do you really think the world would actually collapse just like that op? If you do, you are delusional and you need to do more research about how the global economy works.

The US economy has been recovering pretty nicely recently which is why I don't really believe these crazy conspiracy theories frankly speaking.

What's the basis of this prediction?

Also, it's a problem for US and not for the world. If the USD falls, the world trade will move to another currency system. A temporary hit will be seen but the world will be able to bypass that quite easily.

Learn and know about the new world order. USD doesn't represent the world currency. The world will quickly find an alternative and move on. FED will start the next meeting on 30th July and hopefully will come up with a solution to their problems. just one more day to go!

The world didn't collapse during the 2020 pandemic crisis, what makes you think it will collapse now. The world has never been free of economy crisis from the early days of our forefathers, nothing has changed and nothing will change because we'll always be barley surviving this world until we all die. The fed aren't lowering the rate anytime in the near future, they'll keep increasing it and the economy will keep getting worse and worse. We have to live with that but there are always ways we can station ourselves to be at an advantage and not live like others that are living hand to month daily/monthly.

Don't get things confused though because of the economy/world is about to collapse, nothing will be spared because everything is going down. I always refer to the pandemic disaster as a case study because during the pandemic nothing was spare but as so as the economy began to recover, there were things that lead the charts and that's where investing in Bitcoin comes in handy. The world economy controls this market too as fear leads in volatile markets. As the world's economy is crashing, people will be safeguarding their wealth but crashing out of their investment so nothing is always safe expect physical investment that have safe haven privileges.

Give me link to quote where one single top economist that says this, because it sounds like you don't know much about economics or have reliable sources.

USA has AA+ credit rating and in no way they are in any trouble yet. They have strong infrastructure and extensive natural resources, and it all depends how they are used. Only thing that would collapse them fast would be removing taxes and regulatory oversight. That would lead to broken infra, disfunctional government, and to highly corrupt country, and probably to be divided by civil war.

And even then "world" wouldn't collapse. USA us is not "world".

I don't even know what he's talking about, how will our world collapse in the next 10 days if the Fed doesn't lower interest rates? Who were the experts he spoke with, because what he said showed that he did not have any basic knowledge of how the world economy worked.

This is not the first time the Fed has raised interest rates and it is not the first time the economy has encountered difficulties. I agree that the Fed maintaining high interest rates is causing many difficulties for the economy, but things are not so bad, how can it collapse in the next 10 days?
Not only the US, the economies of many countries are also gradually recovering quite well even though the Fed refused to reduce interest rates. What he said confused me.

I am sick and tired of all these "world will end!! rapture is near!!" type of people. Yes world is going worse, yes I believe in climate change which means that in the future world will be inhabitable and all humans will die and we are too late to "fix" it by normal measures, so we literally need to invent something that can reverse all of this one day, or we are all doomed.

Yes I believe that world war three will happen eventually, maybe in our life time, maybe sometime later, who knows when but I do believe that over a dozen nations will attack each other. What I do not really believe in is the fact that we are talking about economics being such a small part of it. Like fed rates not lowering will END the world? Come on man, there are so many existential problems in the world, I really doubt that this is one of them, we are not going to end up with anything crazy just because fed rates are not lower, we will be fine, nothing will change all that much.

You are right, I think the same... Politicians & bankers are the biggest "drama quins", they are swimming in money but their propaganda is totally different. It's simply because it's easier to rule the world if people are scared, it's easier to control the masses if you constantly keep people in some "mindset" that some big shit will happen, and every time they "solve the crisis" and become self-proclaimed heroes. Happened zillion times, and will continue to happen in the future, too many people fall on that shit.

I have only one piece of advice for people: Turn off the TV and turn on your brain.

The Fed can print again but only if new large enough crisis emerges.
My top expert who i been talking expecting china will attack tawain that could be reason for rate cuts enough.
But this time instutions will borrow the new dollar the USDC the old dollar is allmost done.

You need to see a psychologist, just have a chat. 
If several people explain that the $ could disappear and that would not end the world you still hang on and maintain that the world will end once the fed will print more than usual.

FYI the feds print money every day, to replace all those bills the US and 11 other countries destroy every day by using it. 

They are already printing $1 trillion every 100 days and they are in a crisis mode.

As for China-Taiwan situation, anybody who claims to be "predicting" an invasion date is too naïve to even be talking about such things let alone be called a "top expert". That's an unpredictable situation and the chances are China is not going to invade in the near future.

Additionally if another major war breaks out involving China, it would cause a much higher inflation in US since US economy heavily depends on Chinese economy. To battle inflation, the only thing they know how to do is to increase rates not cut them. That's just basic economy that doesn't get an expert to know.

As for shitcoins like USDC, nobody should touch centralized shitcoins unless they have absolutely no other choice.

Look the usa stock markets now more to come it's a falling knife.

World is about collapse If fed don't lower rates the answer is not going to really collapse but there is might be some hit if the Fed do nothing about the rates. I mean United State become a core of global economic right now but if we see the big picture I think is going to move to another country like China.

Geopolitics in America right now is still uncertain until a new president gets elected and sets some new rule in the house. For now the best for us is just watch and see I know the inflation are crazy but it is still better rather than 2022 rates

I was waiting for some time to pass before replying in the thread, as the op suggested that we have 5–10 days before the world collapsing unless the Fed lowers interest rates. It's been 10 days, the Fed has left the interest rates unchanged. Some expect the rates to be lowered in September, but we'll see. The situation isn't great, but not a collapse either. The world is standing, the global economy is working. Meanwhile, the op suggested it would be good to stock up on cryptos, but Bitcoin is actually nearly 10% down over 7 days, which seems more than what the US stock market has lost, it seems. I'm not saying it's a bad situation for Bitcoin, but I'm just pointing out that the traditional economy isn't collapsing.

Should you be waiting for the collapse I recon that you need a lot of time. :)
A war should happen before.

We haven't even started the economic crash yet it's just the warm up.

People don't get it how the banks and money system works and how the finances works and what's holding all the globe together.
I see a lot here even older members try talk like they know i see they got no ideas of anything.
Or they know but they try act like they don't know

World didn't end like your experts predicted, so you might want to change your source of news to something more reliable then listening to "an expert".

Also you don't seem to understand what USDC is. It's literally 1:1 backed by the dollar. You know, the dollar you refer as "old dollar". So it's even worse then actual dollar as it needs to be converted to be a real thing.

Meanwhile we are waiting for USA to fall, and world with that: (rotate your monitor, in order to see how it falls):

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/08/5hayJ.png

Do i have to say out loud that i am being sarcastic?

As far as I know the Federal Reserve plays an important role in monetary stability through its interest rate policies and price cuts can help stimulate economic activity by easing credit, but they need to be balanced to avoid inflation. In times of economic stress, such as an impending recession, the Fed may be forced to cut money to prevent a recession for this example is money market repo operations are needed to provide short-term liquidity to banks. If these activities are in short supply this may be an indication of a broader financial crisis, and a threat to economic stability. For sure, in such scenarios, on account of the path-breaking attributes of traditional banking systems, conventional currencies and cryptocurrencies are increasingly considered substitutes. These digital assets do offer some haven for keeping finances safe but entail risks and a unique set of legal problems. That fine line is what central banks have to walk between an ability to maintain stability in monetary systems and new monetary policy interest during uncertain times.

Markets are depleted now

It cannot be denied that none of us are economic experts, what we say here is only based on our understanding of the economy. The knowledge we gain comes from many different sources as well as from each person's own experience, so mistakes are inevitable.
But what about you, what knowledge do you have and what do you know about the operation of this world economy? I have checked some of your comments and I don't see you providing us with anything useful from your knowledge and insights.

More practically, does what you say on this subject happen as you said?

You don't even need to be an economist to be able to examine what is currently happening in the economy of every nation the challenge have gotten. Everyone will be able to describe the conditions of their own countries economy. And from the experiences we have been having of late is not really helping and have turned everyone into an analyst because no matter who you are you will be able to read meaning to what is currently go on in the economy of the country and most of this economy crash is all caused by how politicians they are not implementing the right policies and poor monitoring system they don't bother checking what they are spending money on the government can not longer own companies to be in competition with the private sector and because of the low competition, the moment their is. It competition in the market then their is going to be a problem in the economy because the company in production without competition will only inflate the price of its product and things will end up getting out of hands.

The issue of economy is usually very large and it depends on what angle you are looking at it, and different country with different economical conditions. And how you see it will determine how you explain. It and the factors behind the economic downfall so understanding and interpretation matters a lot.  And if you see and you understand the only solution that will be provided will be for your own interest, because you are not the government to bring general solutions.

My wife and I have accounting and economics degrees and have practical experiences with economical work. I won't deny our economical skills.

I could explain why the Fed crashes the economy every 8-15 years. They are almost there with this crash.

Fast explanation is wealth transfer is needed for the system to work.


Shift rates up and down shifts the wealth around.

Study long term care companies like Genworth  and John Hancock.

They hold over 1 trillion in fed bonds these are from fees of customers.

These companies along with 4-6 others have close to 6 trillion in holdings.

They can not survive at 1 or 2 percent rates.

They had poor credit ratings in 2021 they have greatly improved ratings now that rates are over 5%.

Wealth was deliberately shifted to them because USA can not let them fail due to m all the Fed bonds they hold.
but that wealth can't keep going to that industry because it hurts banks and real estate.

They will likely do a cut in Sept and stay fast after that.

They did not get a full crash last Monday.  Once the they do cut then flat the markets will crash again in october.

Just checking, has the world collapsed or not cause it's been already 10 days !?  ;D

Yeah and who says they aren't important? Well, I guess they may be the uneducated and the people who knows nothing about financial matters and the economics. Inflation can't be prevented and this is why there is hardly a balance that we can experienced but most of the times, the rates are only going at the upward direction.

That's interesting to know for those who are starters in these fields. At first, we only thought that it was the local government or the local banks are only the ones or twos that can influence the value of our money but the Federal Reserve does it too, and that is like you said ; by them cutting or increasing the interest rates. No matter what are their actions, each must stimulate the economy.

Let this be a good experience and lesson for you that your so called "top people" are idiots so you need to start rethinking who you follow to get your information from (unless you were trolling us yourself!).

As I've explained many times in this board and told you here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5504234.msg64364907#msg64364907) as well more than 10 days ago, if a catastrophic collapse is to take place, that is not going to be something that can be predicted like this. They'll not tell you either if a handful of people knew.

There is an economic crisis that nobody can deny and worse days are coming as things have gotten worse over the past 3 years constantly. But the catastrophe date and its nature can not be predicted unless you have a time machine. It can be from repetition of 2008 collapse all the way to dissolution of coalitions like EU, US, NATO, etc. similar to what happened to USSR.

And most importantly like always this highlights the paramount importance of dedollarisation. Any country that decouples more will be affected less in the upcoming "catastrophe".