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Title: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: id5000 on July 30, 2024, 03:35:17 PM
This is an alert that I have seen in rare threads and one of them is 10 years old.

"Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they believe that the creator of this topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution."

My question: What means "While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims"


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: Little Mouse on July 30, 2024, 03:38:05 PM
The warning is automated based on the activity from DT members. Bitcointalk admin or moderators don't verify that which can also be expressed as "Forum doesn't moderate any scam."

Move the topic to meta.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: Hazink on July 30, 2024, 03:42:02 PM
Moderators duty is not to check scams; according to the forum rules, scams are not being moderated. Other users with proven facts that are made available make their judgement and give their opinion based on scam matter.

If the allegations are not just a mere claim but can be proven to be true, the DT members, who have the upper power to give a visible tag, give such users a negative tag, which makes a warning visible in any of the threads created by such users or organisations.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: PX-Z on July 30, 2024, 03:45:16 PM
That warning shows in the thread if the majority of the community agree and votes through the "flag"][1] (http://[1) for someone as "scammer", "contract violator", etc. Thus the forum is out of that, as the community decides if the accusation and flag is true based on different  proof and evidence provided.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153344.0


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: _act_ on July 30, 2024, 03:51:31 PM
It means the forum admin do not moderate or get involved any discussion that has to do with scam. Red flag are determined by the community and not the admin or moderator. And it is based on clear evidence that the user scammed or planing to scam.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: Wiwo on August 09, 2024, 06:39:22 PM
Is not the responsibility of the administrator to verify scam accusations, the law enforcement agencies are there for you to report any scam case, here is a discussion forum and for sure the highest the forum can do is to warn you to be careful in dealing who ever, one or two forum member have accused of scam.

By the way, why make this thread on gambling discussion board when you question is forum reputation related.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: Potato Chips on August 09, 2024, 06:45:53 PM
Thank you all.

So, why keeping an expression like "While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims," ?

I suppose it's for the sake of laying it all out? it's the truth. Probably to in line it with the forum's neutral stance as well because as explained above, bitcointalk for the most part does not moderate scams. Our reputation system is a collective effort hence relies on the community.

The whole warning notice speaks/imply these.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: OgNasty on August 09, 2024, 06:52:57 PM
The Administration doesn’t have time to go through everyone’s trust ratings. That’s why the trust network was created. Unfortunately, there are people here with petty grudges that use the trust network to punish people who don’t share their views. The real question is why does the Administrator allow confirmed and documented extortionists as well as those who support them into default trust to undermine the trust network.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: shield132 on August 09, 2024, 07:08:01 PM
Thank you all.

So, why keeping an expression like "While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims," ?
Bitcointalk has a Trust system on this forum. We have marketplace here and people do many trades. It's impossible to trust someone online blindly but at the same time trading is a very important part of our life. In order to solve that problem, Theymos came up with the idea of implementing a trust system on this forum. Over time, Trust system evolved as the number of scammers increased. There is a list of people who have been trusted for years and are considered to be trustworthy because they earned this reputation through thousands of trades that they have done here. There are companies that register on this forum and create an ann thread. In order to fight against scam and ponzi companies, the default trust people can open flags if there are solid proofs that this or that company shouldn't be trusted blindly. That's why you see a red flag warning on their threads. Bitcointalk doesn't take the responsibility to directly tag these accounts or companies as scammers but with the help of default trust system and people who are in DT, Bitcointalk warns you to be more cautious.


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: freedomgo on August 09, 2024, 10:22:45 PM
The moderators are primarily focused on enforcing the forum rules, with a key priority being to minimize or prevent spam. Addressing scams, however, is not their main concern unless it’s a major scam that warrants banning the user. Typically, it’s the DT members who act as the forum's "police," often giving a bad reputation to the accounts involved. This serves as a warning to others not to transact with those accounts if they want to avoid being scammed. It's important to understand that we are simply a forum or community, and we don’t enforce the law. The admin is responsible for enforcing the forum rules, which are all documented if you wish to read them.

>> ====  Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)


Title: Re: While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims
Post by: Odusko on August 09, 2024, 10:51:51 PM
The bitcointalk forum trust system is developed to culb such scam and other related offenses around the forum, so for you to have hard such a badge on threads started by negatively tagged members, is enough efforts from the administrators of the forum to keep the forum free from such scams, I think that is the highest the forum can go in handling scam related cases, you don't expect forum admin to start acting the role of police by going about arresting scammers of outrightly banning each accounts that are declared scams.
One bold statement you should know about this forum is that.
Bitcointalk doesn't regulate scams  at least that is not the core popuse of creating the forum which is discussions popuses being the primary aim of the forum, so giving you a warning is enough.