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Escrow service for chess players to play against each other for price money deriving from the 2 players.
Player 1 and Player 2 will arrange a match and stipulate the rules as well as each players contribution. The winner takes all less 7.5% Commision.

Edit: To all the people talking about me being a newbie and shouldn't be trusted:
No disrespect to the forum but there is a life out there and your status on this forum is not a measurement of anyones Integrity. Also if I wanted to scam people then this would not even be top 10 of my best ideas. I love chess. The Commision isnt there to make me rich. I. Doing this because I feel This will develop the game and add another element of fun to it.
Also if I scam 1 game then surely word will get out and it will be the end of my business. It will be stupid.

Telegram: https://t.me/chess4crypto (https://t.me/chess4crypto)

I will probably lose all my stake in the game because I suck at playing chess. I have tried to learn that game on various occasions but whenever I felt like I was making progress, someone just came up and embarrassingly won me, so I stopped learning.

I had this idea for months, but I couldn't bring it to life—not in a website, at least, since I am a half-assed coder.

Let me give you a tip: it will be a hell of boredom unless you make some ground rules here and there.

1-Players can agree on the time of playing, but they can't choose more than 1 moment timer for each move.
2-No Control + Z.
3-The game can't last more than 1 hour unless both players agree on that. Some chess pros will torture the enemy by getting 5 queens, even though they can blunder it, and when it's a money-losing situation, declaring defeat won't be fun at all, so put a timer.
4-Take your fees only from the winner and make it 10%, if ended in draw take 5% from each, if you take it directly from the start they won't play.

I hope this can help you, I love chess and might play once you lunched a website

You are a newbie and you want to hold people's money as escrow. What prevents you from scaming them?

While your idea is interesting, I suggest people make use of trusted users here as escrow. For instance, Hhampuz, Yahoo62278, and others

Never trust a newbie on the internet to hold funds IMO. On top of that, he wants a 7.5% fee lol which is more than double what trusted escrows on this forum charge. There are plenty of other known and trusted users here to help those of you who may be interested in this sort of thing.

And how do you plan to prevent cheating? Nowadays, with advanced tools so easily available, it is almost impossible to even detect cheating, let alone prevent it.

Good question.

We will be using chess.com who is very good with detecting bots.
Furthermore I will not allow games longer than 10mins a side. It is very hard to cheat when you have a tight time limit.
Another thing I will monitor is their accuracy percentage. Bots have a 97% to 100% accuracy and unless you are a grandmaster, your accuracy percentage SHOULD NOT and CAN Not be 97% +. Im not saying that I will automatically disqualify such a player based on that evidence alone, but I would have a very close eye on that game and might even ask for help from experts to analyze the game.

At the end I cannot guarentee a 100% honest playfield, just like any other sport, activity, institution, government etc. But I can put measurements in place to minimize it to the point of no significance.


Hope I answered your question.

LOL!  ;D ;D ;D Oh boy! You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. For example: How would you detect if any player cheats in only two or three moves? How much time and resources would it take to analyze such games at scale?
Sooner or later, your PvP platform will become EvE (Engine vs Engine)  ;D ;D, just like every other platform providing such games. This is exactly why no major casino is providing PvP chess. Even chess platforms with the best resources and skills to prevent cheating are not providing PvP chess for money. Even their tournaments do not have attractive prize money, and only high-rating chess players participate (GMs and IMs cannot cheat repeatedly against each other because they are playing under their own names and their reputation is at stake).
You can argue the same for poker, but it is still not fully solved (and luck plays a major role), although online poker is on the decline for precisely this reason.

Service you offer is very specific and i'm not sure there are many people who own crypto and play chess. Anyway, you probably want to add some detail (such as supported cryptocurrency and how you handle network TX fee) to make your service looks more convincing.


Are you aware of Stockfish (probably most popular chess engine)? If someone install that on their device, they could switch window/app (between chess.com and stockfish) and able to see good moves from the engine in less than a minute.

Actually it will always be EvE chess.com and others although they like to brag about how good they are at detecting they are far from perfect, not to mention the ease of programming in a way to make your bot less then perfect. Remember, your bot does not have to be perfect, just better then the bot it's playing against.

Big game companies spend BILLIONS and still can't get all the bots off their online games. Chess.com has 100 million a year in revenue and thinks they can do better.

-Dave

Considering that you're probably not going to deal with a large player base, you might want to add incentives for losers to come back and play again ^{[e.g. it can be some kind of reward based on the number of games, but it might require having a dedicated platform to track stuff easily]}.

Both sides have valid points... An alternative route would be a multisig setup, but it complicates the whole process.

This idea is dead on arrival.

#1) Why are you needed?
#2) Why do you get a commission?

There are already many chess games like this out there that run automatically 24/7.  It's easier for them to add crypto that you to surpass their platforms,

Look I offer a service which some might be interested in. We've had 7 Games already and 4 people participated.

I'm not building a massive brand. And I'm not doing this to make a fortune or even to make a living. It's a sideline project for me.

I am not needed, you are right. But if 2 guys wanna play for money then at least I am a reputable option to consider.

Post links to games (which you claim to have conducted successfully) and payments.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I agree.  If you make a claim, you need to back it up, or we will not trust anything you say. 

You are charging as high as 7.5 commission, that is a lot in my honest opinion, especially since you are just trying to start this up, why will one want to pay a commission that high to use your service?
Why do you think you are a reputable option?
A perfect way to start is by proving this.

Chess.com only detects bots some time after the game ends though - int's not instantaneous. Besides, bots like Stockfish can easily play a 10-minute game. Not very hard when you're feeding the information into stockfish by mirroring the other player's moves on another board.

The asymmetrical nature of chess inevitably favors the high ELO players to get all the rewards though, it's not a luck-based game.

Trust is not shown in PD.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2661776

I left him negative trust four years ago, and he has just come back.

OP:  If you can prove what we ask, I'll forgive your mistake from four years ago, and remove the bad words on your trust.  :)

There are also proven escrow platforms with significantly lower fees, such as Zenland, https://zen.land/ and inviting an agent who will control the regularity, is certainly a much better solution than using an unknown person via telegram

Hey there,

Just wanted to drop in and say that the idea of an escrow service for chess players is pretty cool! It could definitely add some excitement to the game. However, I think it's essential to have clear terms and conditions and a secure way to handle the funds.

Op already made the terms clear, they are charging a 7.5% commission, and they consider themselve to be 'reputable' enough to handle the funds. Of course i disagree, there is no reason why anyone should trust op yet with this, we have also been waiting for op to prove the claims they made that they have already had a few customers, but they have not done that yet.

I think he could not he log in two days ago
Last Active:   August 06, 2024, 03:32:13 PM
There are two of you asking for links to his claims, but he failed to provide them, and I don't think he has proof because he will post them right away when he makes the claims, so we cannot trust anything he says now.  :D

A 7.5% commission has been mentioned, but the specifics of fund handling are still unclear. For instance, they could clarify whether they will use a 2-of-3 multisig setup or a regular address for receiving payments. Using a regular address for receiving payments, for example, could potentially put users at risk, as a scammer could simply run off with the money.

Even if op uses a 2-of-3 multisig wallet that they control all keys, then it changes nothing, except op is going to control one key and his customers will control another key. However, i don't think a multisig wallet is in op's plans, if it was then they would have told us, op just wants us to believe that they are reputable enough to handle this.

You can't just claim you are reputable because you say so and because you promise you can be trusted with holding other people's money. You are not needed to hold the money in the first place, let alone keep 7.5% of it as commission. Compared to you who is brand-new and no one knows you, Bitcointalk has many trusted escrow agents who have been members of the forum for years. Their commission for escrow deals is around 1%. No offense, but if I needed an escrow, it's very clear to me who I should contact. 

I am making a different comment to the escrow ones recently posted.

What were to happen if one of the players were cheating by using a different device to enter all the moves in to (such as a grandmaster type software) and then use the computer moves to enter in to the duel? Effectively it would mean a grandmaster playing against a lesser opponent. That is of course unless both players are using the same tactics in trying to beat each other.

If money is involved, you just assume each player is cheating - simply because they can.  The only way to "catch" them is to run the exact simulator they are running and get a large enough dataset to prove.   But then what?   lol

In my opinion, that is the best way to look at it because if they are playing from different locations (in other words not sitting directly opposite each other) then cheating has to be a serious option. Add money (or any prize) to the equation then the word cheat/cheating is compounded. As it would be impossible to catch cheats in the act, they both would proclaim innocence as well as playing honestly.

In the end I suppose the winner would be the opponent using the better grandmaster software  ;D


https://blog.amphy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/chess-bathroom-cheater-1024x615.jpeg

What an odd picture.   Why would you let someone else into a private washroom with you?

OP could have done it if he had done it the right way. Since he opened this thread in project development, he should first ask for suggestions on how to implement an effective escrow service in Telegram because his services have loopholes. He then bragged that he already had players using his services, but when asked about proof, he vanished.
So, we can conclude that he cannot prove that he already has users; this is a lesson learned that if you are posting about the effectiveness of your service, then you should ready your proofs

It's actually funny to see that you would undermine the ranking and trust system of this forum to what will benefit you personally. Do you understand that every system or site has there ways of rating people and if you're not up that standard then there is every likelihood to get you shifted from the scale since you aren't that identiable to the overall system. And of course why would someone entrust you with their funds or their hand earned money while there are other reputable users they would used as an escrow without having to pass through random user who recently make account here to start asking for escrow for playing chess.

OP needs to show evidence or proof to all that they claim. We need to advise ourselves on how to handle issues that have to do with finance and money. Any project you intend to go into today, that requires you injecting your funds however tiny, will also require some level of in depth proof from the side of the project owners and a good degree of trust from the users.

I'm not doubting the reputation of OP's chess project and I'm also not saying their commissions are bad enough, since what they charge as a commission is what I see obtainable in so many businesses out there, but both the project owners and the users needs to build a strong level of trust and understanding before injecting any funds.

The OP has not been back online in 6 weeks. They tried what looked to be a scam and got called out on it and disappeared.
If at this point they come back they are going to have to show proof every step of the way on how they do things.
At a guess, not going to happen.

-Dave

The OP seems to have left the forum again. He took a three year break from the forum between 2021 and 2024 before creating this thread and it seems as though after making three posts and ascertaining he will not receive any traction, investment or customers/clients on his Telegram, he has decided to take another break from the forum.

I do not know what his real motive is for posting here but the negative tag he received from Vod shows that he has tried to ask for money in the past. I would not trust the OP regardless of what he claims.