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>:( >:(After waking up, ETH fell 20%

It's going to be even more interesting, Japan's exchange plunge + the info about weak US jobs which leaked and led to the fear of a recession will be huge factors for a week, or even more, in my opinion.

If you are the type of trader that is using very low leverage, it is better you go long for now. Even if the market will later start to dump again, there will still be some time that the price will increase. But it would be wise to just go long and leave it for awhile. Also you can DCA which is better. I mean if the market fall more, you can continue to buy more of ether.

I believe in the bounce back in the future (not sure when exactly, of course), in 1-3 months or even half a year. I don't panic even from seeing red all around me, because I know for a fact that what we see at the moment is temporary, and the situation becomes more entangled with facts yet to come. We shall stay vigilant, disciplined, and use this opportunity (or at least take it into account).

Well this is a very big correction for us to have to go in right now. There has been more then $1 Billion liquidated from the market in just last 24 hours.
Tokyo Stock Exchange had the biggest drop ever today. And the most points were lost since 'Black Monday' in 1987. There is alot of American stocks crashing too so it is not just crypto it is the whole world selling.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/3500/

The reports that the Japan Central Bank will increase interest rates to the highest in 16 years contributed to the selloffs. With the increase in unemployment and the declining manufacturing sector, investors are hoping the US FEDs will reduce interest rates in September. Although there is no certainty that this will happen, I suspect that this might be the right move to avoid recession. Another challenge is the uncertainty in the Middle East due to the confrontation between Israel, Iran, and Yemen. A full-scale war will disrupt the oil supply and affect the global economy negatively.

All altcoins are currently experiencing a crash, the main reason being that the price of Bitcoin (BTC) fell by more than 10%. The altcoins that experienced the worst decline were Lido DAO (LDO) & Chainlink (LINK), they even gained more than 20%. This is a normal cycle in crypto, so don't worry, you can go where you like at the moment, or do activities you like to avoid looking at market conditions :D.

I agree. We may see more dips because of what you said is happening in the Middle East, however, this opportunity should be used with caution, I would go only in spot here. I hope that, by September, there would be better news for all of us ;)

This big dump happens to the ethereum. it's because we are losing another big boy who sold their ethereum to the market.

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Source : Bitdegree (https://www.bitdegree.org/crypto/news/millions-in-eth-unstaked-by-jump-crypto-potential-sell-off-looms)
Jump Crypto has unstaked all of their Ethereum, then sent it to the exchange sites. Also, the Bitcoin dump made it even worse by adding more pressure to the big dump caused by Jump Crypto's dump. This time, no sign of retracement is showing for Ethereum nor bitcoin.

I'm feeling we may fall even deeper than this time. The chart looks so damn bearish. It seems like there are another bad days ahead us.

Bitcoin dropped -13%.

It's only about Ethereum but the whole market has dropped a lot. So, it connects, Bitcoin, Ethereum and other top altcoins have been dropped together with the stock market and even individual country markets like in Japan for which fell -12% currently. It's one of the highest that they've got. I feel bad for them because they are just trying to recover but all of a sudden, this whole drop has happened entirely, globally.

The rich are playing around with the market and are we on this month as an actual ghost month? I'm not believing on it but I am starting to believe that it really is a ghost month every August. But hold your horses and don't feel bad about the market, hold and DCA if you can because we might not see these levels anymore when the market recovers above.

What do you expect when Bitcoin price drop, the turbulence is as a result of Bitcoin price further depreciation, although I see this drop as temporal because for few months now, Bitcoin has been experiencing this temporal price depreciation and altcoins has know choice than to follow up their masters lead, it is not a surprise to me that once Bitcoin falls other coin will follow but this shouldn't be a discouragement because I strongly believe that there will surely be a bounce back in a short period of time so panicking at this time shouldn't be entertained, ETH is one of those coins that has value so at this point the right aproach to follow is to keep holding because if you are conversant with the market you would have known that this is not the first time digital the market is experiencung such, if you are not a short-term investor, i think there is know need to panic hence the market potentials are still intact, instead of consistent check of price drop, why not concentrate on acquiring more of the asset if yiu can and Hodl for a long-term.

What collapsed was Bitcoin and all cryptocurrencies continued to collapse due to the impact of Bitcoin. Ethereum performed poorly compared to BTC and USDT and wiped out all the gains of the ETF. The support lines are at 2300 and 2100, if Bitcoin drops further then the problem will be.

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Pretty sure that a lot of people are worrying more than usual because the bull run followed by the 4th halving event caused so much stir and hype that everyone expected bitcoin to be pumping right now. The fact that it is not scares a lot of investors most especially traders who need to watch the market a lot more carefully than most holders do. I am a bit worried, not gonna lie but you always have to persevere and keep holding to maximize your profit in the future.

No doubt, cryptocurrencies are very volatile. Volatility is the reason for a currencies pump or dump in price be it a cryptocurrency or a regular fiat currency.The only difference in fiat is that because of most government regulations and Economic situation of the country, they can be less volatile than cryptocurrencies. The fact is that I really can't tell why the drop in price but it definitely shoke the whole crypto market including altcoins and bitcoin.

According to some sources I read from today over a billion dollars have been liquidated from the crypto market as a result of this dump. Many persons didn't expect the dump anyways let's hope the market recovers sooner.

Long is the way to go if you ask me. Its already down, and there are many shorts that you could crash right now, and that means a lot more return for the buck. If you do long now, even if you are wrong, then its going to be very hard to be wrong by that much, so a low leverage long could be a good one right now, whereas shorts are more dangerous, because upside is wide open, meaning that we could go up as much as 15k dollars, and that means waaaaay too many shorts could be crashed, meaning profit for longs. All in all, the risk/reward ratio shows that longs are a lot better right now, and it would definitely help a lot to invest into that. Doesn't mean we have to, but would definitely help.

I read a good analysis of the Japanese bank & their 0 to negative interest rates lately allowing for lots of loans in yen to purchase USD. Supposedly the bank raised the rates which caused some runs globally.

https://apnews.com/article/japan-economy-rates-boj-yen-e00919b053412fabf7a800ed78a9ad7a

I think the Japan exchange plunge is just a little to the current effect on cryptocurrencies price depreciation, the big banga is that of the USA worsening economy, with speculations of a potential economic downturn anytime soon which has even made the government to cut down interest rates just to handle the situation but experts keeps predicting an impending huge recession as unemployment soar leading to less consumption and an increasing credit cards debts. I think crypto enthusiasts should just be ready for more possible worse scenario in the market this period.

You have to realize that we are going to have some financial days like this, we can't just let that decide anything about our investments. Warren Buffet, one of the richest man in the world, spend billions buying up banks after 2008 crash.

Because he knew that it would recover and he wanted to make more profit, and you know what happened? They recovered and he made a killing off that. This dude is not some rich dude who wants more, he just donates it to charity whenever it gets too high, dude literally donated 99% of his wealth to charity after his death, his kids would still  have hundreds of millions of dollars and already got whatever they want so far as well, so he is not doing it to just get richer, he is doing it because he knows how to.

This is that exact moment, things crashed but started to recover right now, yes that was bad to look at but if you keep on investing right now, then you are going to accumulate more for a great target eventually, you just need some time and also bitcoin and ethereum kind of fundamentally strong coins alone.

Yeah, we also have many events to come that can affect the market (geopolitical, economical like we've seen already, others), so, let's use these possibilities! The time is essential, I would say we will see green in, 3-4 months, if there won't be any other event that would make the market shaking like that report about US job market :)

If you are just that new then better get used to it. Why? This is always been the main thing that could happen into this unpredictable market on which sentiments,news,events like this could really happen in a snap on which it could really neither be making some sharp decline in price or would really be making up some moonshot. This is why it would really be that important that you should really know on what market is really that you are dealing on with, so that on the moment that it would make out some nasty declines, you wont really be making yourself panicking and freaking out as if its the end of the market. lol. Usually people do make out some cut loses on the time or moment that they are really that becoming impulsive. This is why its important that you are really that prepared on whatever the things that you are really that dealing or getting involved with. This is why its important that you should really be get prepared on the things you do tend to engaged.

Having the mindset of "oh look a terrible day for the markets, how wonderful for me!" is the thing that makes people richer. I mean if you could just consider this possibility as something you can profit, then you are going to end up with something much better and we all know that it is going to be a great situation for all of us, because it means that if we buy right now, we can sell right back when it goes back up, and 55k right now looks like it's such an ordinary price.

I agree that we were here just recently, so to say that this will be very hard, isn't that true because it should be quite easy to make money this way. I am sensing that it will take a while but it will happen quite easily as well, shouldn't be anything more than just keep holding.

Expectations were too much high about good increase after the halving but as we are having too many issues related to economy and few conflicts which are hurting badly to world economy are creating some serious troubles just because of this in 2024 we are having not solid things we all are worried about many things and investors confidence is also going on lowest level because they are feeling not good about market and investment flow is also not as expected these all are having impact, and we are suffering.

Now it's time for checking all related things carefully because this is not going to stay as long things can take change, and we can expect good increase even this can take time with mostly are expected we will be back in 3 to 4 months so it's important to keep calm and keep eye on all related material for time being for having good outcome of this situation.

Altcoin prices are being controlled by Bitcoin price movement and that was why we saw the market was all on read after bitcoin had a 10% dip. However, bitcoin have started recovering back and some altcoins are still striving to recover.

Altcoins will only pump if bitcoin pumps but there are some altcoins that might not recover amd will crash because they don't have the potential. Invest wisely so that you don't wake up one morning and see your portfolio value in zero.

Me myself - I don't panic at all, as I use the money I am willing to spend. Also, I don't regret my actions in the slightest. Yes, I had funds before the dip and news, I've seen some red, but it's totally fine, as it's part of the process. Big hands are waiting for people with weak nerves or minds to sell their bags because soon enough their portfolios will look less and less beautiful. I will stick to my plan, wait out the storm, and come out victorious, as we all should.

Altcoins always follow Bitcoin. If Bitcoin declines, they also decline, and vice versa. Similarly, if we look at the recnt dump that came due to the Japanese interest rate, Bitcion declines approximately 20%. And likewise it caused decline by liquidation in which around $1.07 billion was liquidated in 24 hours. Beside that there was a lot of bleeding in Altcoin too. Now the people who used to invest/trade on emotional stances have sold their coins in fear. So, it is important that you do not become an emotional trader or investor, but study the market and act in the market in a good way, with a good thinking and understanding. Especially in Altcoin, you should work very carefully. Make those coins part of your portfolio which you think really has potential in it, even if it dump, then it has potential that can give you profit. it means to say that one should invest in top coins rather than lay coins or shit coins. 
 
So always emphasize on the thing that really gives you recovery as well as profit margins even after dumping. Never add this coin to the portfolio which cannot be recovered even from a small dump.

And this is something that you should really be having such approach on which you wont really be that making use of the money on which you cant afford to lose because on the time that you would really be doing so then on the time that the market will really be having that correction then you would really be ending up on panicking on which it might cause up for you to sell out your position despite of that deep negative on which its not really that good at all. Instead on freaking out on seeing declining prices, it will really be that ideal that you should at least having that USDT stored up into your trading account and buying up those coins which are on sale. We do know that when it comes into this aspect then we do have at least that kind of possibility that you could really be able to make profits on the moment that the market will really be making some u-turn.

People do usually make up those short term projects when it comes into their holdings on which on the time that they are seeing some decline then they would gonna tend to cut lose as if it was nothing.
You wont really be able to make yourself sustain into this market if you would really be having this kind of behavior. This is why it would really be survival of the fittest and if you arent that good
when it comes to emotional aspect then you wont really be able to survive or sustain. This is why being versatile would really be that crucial.

Thanks for the tips! Yes, having a bit of cash in case there is a good opportunity to grab more positions is nice and worth considering, I may agree. Those who are frightened by the volatility of the market won't be able to see the sun through the clouds that are gathering upon us.

Reaching to a point where you find this ordinary is not entertaining but just the reality. Falls happen in every market, it's very common and part of the world we live in and we need to just accept that.

I understand that we may look like we are talking about something that may not be possible and you think that you didn't expected it to go down this much and all that, but the reality is that it always has that possibility, it may always go down and we just need to accept that. If you do that, then you are going to be fine and you will not face any issues, the important part is to accept the fact that it will fall sharply when you least expect it.

How could you be fine with that information? After all "it may fall any moment" is scary, so what makes us veterans more calm? Simple, we just know that while it may fall out of nowhere, we also know that we are going to see it go up sharply eventually as well, the recovery will not be that difficult. That is why we do not care about these downs, because we know ups are on their way and coming. If you realize that and see that, just by even looking at historical chart, then you will realize that 10-20% falls are nothing, very common and easily recovered from.

Cryptocurrencies are known for these, they can fall at anytime and also rises at anytime, the more reasons why they are volatile, this is one of the first things for a newbie to know about bitcoin, because they will have an idea of what to face along the line when they have invested and the market is falling, there wont be cause for alarm because they were aware before hand, because the markets still have the same ability of rising high at anytime.

Patience is key, and a bit of red shouldn't discourage anybody from keeping the same course you've got in mind, especially with BTC, in my opinion.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Going long with low leverage can be a solid strategy, especially if you're in it for the long haul. Dollar-cost averaging (DCA) is a great approach to mitigate risk in a volatile market. Just remember to stay informed and stick to your risk management plan!

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Absolutely! A little bit of red is part of the journey. Staying patient and focused on the long-term potential, especially with BTC, often pays off in the end. 🌱

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You're absolutely right—understanding the volatility of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin is crucial for any new investor. It's important to be aware that the market can experience significant ups and downs, sometimes in a short period. However, with this knowledge, investors can better manage their expectations and stay calm during market fluctuations, knowing that the potential for recovery and growth is always there. Patience and a long-term perspective can go a long way in navigating the crypto space.

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It's true that market falls can be unsettling, but they’re a natural part of the cycle. What keeps seasoned investors calm is the understanding that while dips happen, recoveries often follow. The key is to stay focused on the long-term picture and not let short-term volatility shake your confidence. If you look at historical trends, you'll see that markets tend to bounce back, making those 10-20% drops just part of the journey. Keep a steady mindset, and remember that the ups are on their way too.

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You're absolutely right—altcoins do tend to follow Bitcoin's lead, and the recent market movements highlight the importance of not making decisions based on emotion. Panic selling during a dip can often lead to unnecessary losses. It's crucial to focus on the long-term potential of your investments, especially in altcoins with strong fundamentals. By choosing coins with real value and potential, you're more likely to see recovery and profit, even after market downturns. Always do your research and invest wisely!

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You're spot on that Bitcoin's price heavily influences the altcoin market. While many altcoins will likely follow Bitcoin's lead, it's crucial to be selective in your investments. Some altcoins may never recover if they lack solid fundamentals. Diversification and careful research are key to avoiding potential losses. Always invest wisely and be prepared for market volatility.

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That's a solid approach—staying calm and sticking to your plan is key. The market's ups and downs are all part of the journey, and having the conviction to ride it out can make all the difference. It's all about playing the long game and not letting short-term volatility shake your confidence. Keep holding strong!

Spending up the money on which you can able or afford to lose would really be something that should really be on your main consideration because this market is volatile.
There's no way that you could really assure that you could make profits on the next cycle or movements on where everything would really be basing up on how well you do make yourself
having that kind of approach on things specially in moving prices. It isnt really that too easy when you do make neither buying or selling decision. If we do speak about falling price sharply
then it could really happen anytime and just like the rest been saying that you should have some allocated funds or saved up money for you to buyback on the moment that it would happen.
People who do have that experience towards this market will really be having that kind of main thinking on the moment that they are seeing buying opportunities rather than making
themselves panic and would be able to do such non recommended things to be done.

Good thing price recovered and the overall situation becoming better, fear and greed index is improving too, if it were to hold around $49k then it's gonna be big dump but since BTC closes above $60k then we're far from that threat.


yes it works wonder especially if we know how to go against the current market psychology, when trying to invest it's always our own emotion that holds back, becoming so fearful whenever the market is dumping thinking as if market is doomed, but see right now the price recovered back to $60k++ the people who go against the flow and buy at the bottom are already making so much money if they invested heavily.

That was a good swing, but I still think we may see something that we had recently one more time before going into full "To the Moon" mode. BTC falling to $40-45k because of the news or manipulations from smart money, and then pumping.

Hmm, right we'll be seen one more time. I mean, there are high possibilities that before going to the Bull cycle Bitcoin will flip one more time because for up side movement Bitcoin needs a healthy correction. So looking forward to the movement I am just really sure that Bitcoin will dump one more time before starting up the Bull rally.
 
Now the thing is that nobody knows how much Bitcoin will dump, we can only speculate. But there is one point in my mind, and that is that Bitcoin makes unexpected movement every time, That is, the majority of people think that Bitcoin can go up to 45k, but I believe that Bitcoin will make unexpected movement, it will just fall to 50k, and After that the bull run rally will start. That is, people will think that Bitcoin will go down further, but Bitcoin can change its way of tracking and start a rally from 50k. But this is my opinion, you can disagree. 
 
DYOR !

When the waves come to shove, it's natural for people with low spirits to get their bags out of their deals, missing the flow of smart money and getting the profits in the process. An experienced trader wouldn't be like that and use the situations ahead to his advantage.

It hasn't been that long to be fair, just the 5th of August we were at  level where it was about 50k, even under 50k slightly understandable but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up staying there and that's exactly what happened, by 9th or 10th we are above 60k already, that's a huge return, nearly 20% return, and it is not even an entire week, it took like less than a week, like a business week lol.

And that is why I kept saying people to keep on buying, because I knew that this would happen and of course it was exactly how I imagined it would be, without an issue. I know that we can't be always right, I am not always right and I had many mistakes in the past but when it's about having this type of drops, that makes it a little harder to be wrong and that's why I feel like I am not doing any justice by saying that any time it drops that's going to be a hard situation for it to not come back, it always comes back and that's what it did.

We just need to see this, if you ever doubt then we are going to end up with something much better and just remember this one next time something like this happens so that you would know that it will recover, and have a lot more confidence holding it.

This is true for all kinds of investments, not just BTC. Recently, many major stock markets crashed and rebounded to their original level the next day, the best example is the Japanese stock exchange. Even BTC rebounded toward $60k. These pumps and dumps are part of stock markets and an investor should not worry about their investment because eventually the price will pump and you will get a profit. 

Yeah, it's natural and it's usually newbies that think about their bags being almost stolen from them in situations like that, thus they grab them back with a major minus. Most of them learn about what was done wrong afterward, but some - do not.

it's mainly because some entity is dumping ETH massively that's why it performs worse than BTC but BTC also has its share of dumping as well in the past so it's understandable.

at least right now the ETF NET INFLOW is positive so it's a relief

https://imgvb.com/images/2024/08/16/bc24c8fab31cc8624f5f560d2bc1d2fa.png

but if BTC crashed again it will touch $2100 again though I guess.

Interesting facts, thank you! It's also the fact that the liquidations on ETH have become more frequent recently, thus, big hands focus on it, in my opinion. We shall see the changes somewhere in September or October.

'Not making use of the money' can sound like residual amounts only but when we say 'amounts that one can't afford to lose', these amounts must be high enough. I think panicking doesn't really depend on the amounts involved or whether it is high or low but it depends on the person's guts. There are just people that even they only risk small amounts, their worries are still there and then there are also people that even if they already risk huge amounts, their confidence is still at the top.

I admire this one but still, it would be better to just stay only within our limits because we can not control the market and confidence can't do much once the market already showed its wrath. Correction is only a small decline on the price right after an increase, so I find it funny if someone will panic through it, lol. If it was a bear market or a dip, then that is justifiable.

When it comes to hodling or investing, people usually go for the long-term, so only a few or only those who are new on this business are the ones who prefer short-term projects. I only think that they are losing most of the times. I can only hope that they can wake up soon that being a millionaire on those types of projects are just a mere dream only.

The sharp decline in crypto values ​​in recent months provides a new opportunity for traders to go long term by holding on to altcoins that have good potential. If we had experienced the same thing in the previous year, we would definitely not be surprised by the plummeting price of crypto, it is normal that every time a halving occurs, there will soon be a bullish market in altcoins, for me this is a good moment to buy lots of altcoins and save them for the long term to wait bullishness arrives.

I wait for October to bring more news and signals for it to come. Green tide is coming and I am hoping for it ;D

There is a good chance that long term will be a big increase but there is also a chance that we are going to see the long term be different as well, it's not going to be all that easy to handle and we could see this change a bit more.

I understand that it may not be all that great, we are going to see some changes here and there, but that doesn't mean that we need to look at it any differently. We need to focus on the fact that the short term is the only thing that matters in a futures trade, so while it could be 100k in a month, which would be awesome, it still doesn't mean you will profit if it drops a bit tomorrow, because that's what futures are all about and I can't say what it will do from now until tomorrow.

Pretty sure that everyone is really that waiting up for the month of October on which if we do tend to look up on how it performs into those previous years then we could be able to tell that it is really that something on the green side but we shouldn't really be removing into our minds that possibilities of being different will always be there or simply lower up your expectations because we wont know if there would be some bad news that might affect out that bullish momentum on that particular month on which instead on seeing green then we might be seeing some reds and this is something that we put up into our minds. Expect the unexpected on which i do agree on some points above that no one ever knows on what will happen in the future because even though we seen some patterns but doesnt mean that it will really be happening again into the next one. Somehow you cant be able to stop people on to thinking up this way because you do know that it did happen in the past then it could possibly happen in the future. The important thing on dealing up with crypto is that you should expect on whatever possibilities that could happen along the way on which on the moment that you do find yourself get caught on the volatility then you should really be that versatile on doing appropriate steps
in terms of handling out volatility.

the sentiment really comes at play in this month, people got that superstition that BTC gonna be down so bad they started dumping early into september, honestly it's nothing more than just a superstition.
however if RSI index below 30 in this september, in october I believe will be a good month.

gonna be joining the bandwagon of longing BTC at october as well like anyone else. right now, the market is very uncertain.

my strategy is if RSI < 30 and BTC below $54k its instant buy at the end of september for me.

Sounds gud! Thanks for sharing your view on it, much appreciated. Accumulating BTC is a must during periods like that (and always, really ;D), I support you.

It's essential to do it naturally and constantly, that way, the results will appear in no time. It's interesting to look after the market nevertheless, and I would buy BTC no matter the price in any month, just the fixated amount.

There are a lot of people out there wasting their time being on the fence about bitcoin, when the reality is that this is the perfect moment to accumulate all the bitcoin they can, since it is unlikely that once the price begins to gain momentum we will see the current levels for months or years, and then once that happens those same people will lament themselves about this mistake, when in fact they are the only ones responsible for it, even if they will refuse to ever admit it.

I totally agree.
It's essential to use the opportunity we have here in the moment.
You won't be able to replay your cards for some years again, thus, it's natural to keep accumulating BTC while you can and it doesn't gain momentum, as you said.