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I have seen some threads where people claim that Bitcoin was created by the FEDs or the US government.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5505613.msg64407186#msg64407186) Recently, an entrepreneur and investigative journalist, Dave Troy,  filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the FBI, which is aimed at uncovering information about the identity of Satoshi.

The FBI responded that "Satoshi (https://u.today/fbi-breaks-silence-about-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto) could be one or more third-party individuals, and they can neither confirm nor deny their existence". This response simply means that the FBI didn't confirm or deny (https://dailycoin.com/satoshi-identity-mystery-endures-as-fbi-dodges-foi-request/)  the existence of any records related to Satoshi Nakamoto. Unsatisfied with the response Troy is planning to push forward for the release of any information about Satoshi. So he is planning to appeal this scanty response. The agency's inability to give any valuable information about the creator of Bitcoin shows that the identity of Satoshi will continue to be a mystery. I don't know why people are putting so much time and energy into unveiling the identity of Satoshi.

For fame maybe, they want to be the one who finally unravels Satoshi's identity, but we very well know how it will end, in nothingness. I don't really care what one investigative journalist or the other does, they are free to see if they will find something, which they won't, but what i do not like is when true bitcoiners engage themselves openly in also trying to unravel Satoshi's identity, when i see no need for that, they already left us with BTC, better to put that energy in its development.

One truth that either gonna hurt or make us happy is that we'll never know who the actual satoshi is. The FBI said the right thing, it's either a group or an individual that we will never know.

He's a journalist and that's part of his investigation to unveil if his efforts are going to be worthwhile. But as we can have that guess, he'll never find the real answer and real satoshi.

The first one that we'll know if satoshi is still alive is us, he'd for sure be back on the forum and have his greetings here for which I doubt will happen.

I think they're doing that to know who's the genius that created Bitcoin when there was nothing like it before. At the same time they might want to get public attention because whoever searches for Satoshi gets attention of the public.

We all know that Satoshi used to be active part of this forum and he/she/they have totally left posting in 2010 and that's all we know. There's no need to know more about him/her/them because the product of Satoshi aka Bitcoin is still with us and has made many of us financially stable. Thanks to Satoshi for creating Bitcoin!

People have been filing FOIA to FBI since several years ago and maybe some of them appealed as well.

It's safe to assume none of them fared well so I doubt it's gonna be any different this time. I guess even the FBI knows it's a waste of resources as they appear to have only responded now after all these years lol.

It’s best if they never find out Satoshis true identity. Definitely best for Satoshi but even more so the maker behind the brilliance surely would be very intriguing to learn the identity or identities and see what they are up to now but we are not meant to find this out I don’t think. I think it will always remain a mystery.

Your title is bait, they didn't break the silence, they didn't reveal relevant information, and the Satoshi identity is still a mystery for all.

If we discover the reality behind who created bitcoin i don't think that would change much, the engine is already running, and that kind of information is irrelevant on this point. So, trying to find the truth is just a waste of time.

Maybe the reason you mentioned at the beginning is one of the reasons, I mean there are some ignorant people who believe that Bitcoin was created by the federal government or banks so you see some people interested in revealing the truth and revealing the truth about Satoshi to refute this lie.

Despite the absurdity of this lie I have seen many people who believe in the conspiracy theory actually believe that Bitcoin was created by the US government or the hidden government.

It is false title, and to tell us that bullshit, that the FBI has not said anything about Satoshi's real identity, the best thing he could have done is not to create the thread, or now that he has done it to lock it. If he doesn't this thread may turn into a nice spam mega thread.

Identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is a myth for all.

Years ago, after Satoshi Nakamoto left the forum and Bitcoin community, Gavin Andresen visit the CIA office to make a speech there, with payment. If he knows identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, CIA already were informed about it many years ago.

Gavin will visit the CIA (https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=6652.0)
Hal Finney was not Satoshi Nakamoto (https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/)
I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0)

Individuals usually do it out of curiosity, but certain people have other motivations. For example take the infamous Craig Scammer Wright. He harassers public figures in bitcoin world to make a name for himself and scam other people.
If Satoshi's identity were known, there is a good chance that he'd be going from court room to court room today as scammers like CSW kept suing him!

The government would be the most interested to know who is the real satoshi. I am sure that they will find ways to make Satoshi somehow responsible and answer to them. Meanwhile some people are just curious. They most likely look up to Satoshi and would want to know their identity. I have seen many dream about meeting Satoshi just to ask him questions.

While others I am sure intend to rob Satoshi one way or the other. I think we as a community should just move on. Not knowing Satoshi does not really make much of a difference anyway.

Expecting the FBI to know who satoshi was is kind of unreasonable. The FBI is involved in solving crimes. Not trying to figure out some anonymous person who chatted on a forum...

I think I would be interested to know him. Many would be interested to know him especially if they can confiscate his millions of BTC. Just think about a government learns that he is a Russian and that millions of BTC goes to Putin. I think there will be lots of people would sell their BTC. But the same thing happens if the US government confiscates the BTC if they find out Satoshi is actually from NY.

What would happen to the ETFs? If the government plans to make BTC a reserve currency, they have to get millions of BTC or maybe they already have it?

The FBI might be lying about not knowing Satoshi's true identity. This guy is an investigative journalist, his job is to reveal mysteries and find the truth. He shouldn't rely on FBI giving him info for free. He should launch his own investigation and publish the results.
To be honest, I don't care about Satoshi's real identity. Revealing his identity wouldn't change anything in the crypto world at this point.
What if Satoshi isn't a US citizen? The FBI doesn't have jurisdiction outside the USA. Maybe this guy should ask CIA, Interpol or Europol, but Satoshi isn't a spy or a criminal. ;D

What do people think they can get out of the FBI about this?

It's incredible how normal people think that the FBI has dossiers on everybody, should be able to unmask the identities of pretty much every person, but in reality they can only work with the data they have available publicly.

Any attempts to guess or infer the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto are merely guesswork based on the above information and therefore not accurate.

No one really knows except him and people closely involved.

I really don't care who he is (Developer and cryptographer for sure), I just wish he would appear anonymously again on forum just to express what he thinks about current situation.
Would be fun  ;)

In 2016, Alexander Muse submitted a FOIA request to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Central Intelligence Agency about the identity of Satoshi. Maybe he assumed that these federal agencies would have information about Satoshi. Unfortunately, the responses of these agencies created more confusion than clarification. The quest to unravel the identity of Satoshi is indeed a waste of time and resources.

Some say he worked for the CIA and his contract just ended, if so - asking CIA or FBI is pointless, they will not reveal their secrets to anyone.

No offense, but don't you think that this topic is a waste of time and something completely unnecessary? People who persistently want information about people who have done everything to protect their anonymity without doing anything wrong should understand that they are not doing anything good by their actions.

I actually came across this same news 2days back outside the forum, which I read, but later lost interest as it didn't even contain enough information that should have made it a news headline. But it's great you've shared it here to let people air their view.

The FBI dude (Dave Troy) is just saying what is needed to be said. We aren't even sure of the authenticity of his information, because we all are also clueless about the true identity of Satoshi. If tomorrow, he happens to point at some random dude, calling him Satoshi, some will believe, while others won't. Satoshi's identity will continue to remain a mystery.



If he(Satoshi) also thinks of this fun, I guess he would have stayed initially. The government is not to be played with. What you watch on TV is different from what happens in the inside.


I don't see any problem in that. Since it's their job, and not mine, then they can do their findings. Morever, they have the time and finance to do that. But we all know what the end results has always been.

One of the reasons he disappeared could be to make the project more resilient, he was a central figure and this was the Achilles heel of a decentralized project.

I don't watch TV so jokes on YOU!  :D

...still, would be fun to hear from him  ;)

Tell me what the color nothingness looks like without telling me what the color of nothing looks like.  ;D ;D

Best of luck to them, even those pretending to be satoshi years ago are now coming out to reveal that they aren't satoshi, gone are the days where someone will want to steal the identity, today people don't want it, hahahaha.

I've been saying this for a long time Nakamoto planned all these perfectly, he knew how big the trouble would be if he revealed himself, and as for decentralisation to work perfectly he have to hide his identity, isn't that a brilliant idea? He will be shaking right now if he revealed himself, the CIA, FBI, secret service and others will want him.

But why ? he didn't break any laws.

The only people I can think of who would want him are non-government criminals to torture him for Bitcoins.
In the early days he could get in trouble for creating something that is making easier to trade illegal goods.

Back in those days I wouldn't be surprised if he got same sentence as Ross Ulbricht.

What does this Dave Troy gave have to do with identity of Satoshi nakomoto or his where about? in my opinion it is quite moronic and also waste of time.. He gave us Bitcoin and Vanished to live his life peacefully. why they just can't accept this and leave satoshi alone.

Basically the same thing we already knew.

He could as well be assassinated and the last "farewell" post by him was not him but the assassins  ;D

Until you’re thinking at the same wavelength of those who takes pleasure or would gain some satisfaction in these findings, you just might never know. It’s something that could go into history perhaps, having to put a face to the name that has brought about several controversies and eluded even the most intelligent people on the planet with the resources we have.

Leave Satoshi alone!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19giBSON6EM)

 :D

This is the only verifiable picture of Satoshi we have so far:

https://i.postimg.cc/v8Nh8vKt/u-https-i-pinimg-com-originals-37-9d-e6-379de6057521cc0a4aeed4cb4594d7e0.jpg

To be honest, I don't think that FBI should disclose identity of Satoshi even if they know it. That's basic respect for someone's privacy. Satoshi doesn't want to be known, and we must respect that.
I don't believe in Bitcoin being an FBI project, as that's an unsubstantiated claim and doesn't make sense to me. Whoever Satoshi is, I'm grateful for creation of Bitcoin, and for kickstarting this community. I won't look for that person's identity, and if it were known to me, I wouldn't disclose it because I respect privacy.

I completely agree. This is all about self promotion, and in the case of a Journalist like Dave Troy, I would say he wants to promote his journalism by making it look like he has a big story on the hook.

Forum has its rule against Doxing and this mean, finding and sharing identity of Satoshi Nakamoto in the forum is against forum rules.
Should speculation about satoshi's identity be subject to doxxing rules? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488566.0)


I don't think that is a good image to share in the forum. It's kind of violent!

I don't believe the DEI hires at the FBI have the ability to locate stink on 💩

Let's just say confidence in their abilities is at an all time low and falling like a rock.

The statement of the FBI is empty and has no value. Maybe they just said so to appear that they are complying with the law but in reality, they are not ready to release such information even though there is a high chance they know Satoshi is. Assuming the authorities do not know, there are countless number of ways they will explore to get that information including interrogating the known people that communicated with Satoshi during the creation and testing phase. They could also explore the registration of the domain to know who registered it, means of payment and so on.

Does that mean the FBI will keep their mouth shut and won't release all the information about Satoshi even if they know everything about it?
If the FBI had any information about Satoshi, they would have long ago told him who it was. The problem is, they probably didn't have much information about Satoshi until now and that is the reason why Satoshi has not been revealed so far.

Satoshi (individual or group) is basically not a terrorist whose existence needs to be hunted down. He is the creator of bitcoin who is quite good at protecting his privacy, but one could speculate that bitcoin is a project developed by some agency although there is no proof about it.

This investigative journalist is asking for information that isn't available anywhere. It isn't available that even the FBI themselves can't confirm who Satoshi is/are.

Why people are putting so much time on this "UNSOLVED MYSTERY"? Maybe they want increase their popularity and knowing that Satoshi has been anonymous for a very long time, they want to know more about his/her/they identity. He's asking for information that no one even knows but Satoshi only. This is absurd if you will ask me because you're asking information about somebody that nobody doesn't even know - not even the FBI. Maybe he can try browsing on the deep web or the dark web. He might find the answers there. :D

Nevertheless, I wish him good luck, and of course, there will be a time where he will stop asking because nobody knows what Satoshi's identity is.

Alot of people have been claiming to be Satoshi, some will tell you that they have the identity of Nakamoto with them, but everything will eventually turned a nightmare and fade away over time, the US FBI to some certain extent were seen as those that groom up Satoshi to whom he became because they said that he was ones part of them, the same way we are hearing a lot of controversies as well concerning this same subject matter on the real identity of Satoshi plus his background, but the question remained unanswered because no one can know or give a response to the identity of an anonymous man.

It may be a violent person but the image alone is not violent at all. So stay calm, everything is OK  ;)

Maybe that's the point, WE are Satoshi. Satoshi became decentralized!

I'm Satoshi! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0)

Satoshi Nakamoto was a genius, he gave us freedom from the traditional financial system since its inception. Since that time, he has disappeared, and there is not a single clue as to whether he is alive or not. I don't know why they are trying to reveal him to the world; maybe they want to conduct research on him, or perhaps there are some other plans for him. But first, they aim to find any clue that can lead them to him, and that's why they are spreading such news. One thing I can clearly say is that he was a mastermind who defeated the traditional system, and if he doesn't want to be revealed, then I think no one will find him. Maybe he knows the aftermath of his revelation, and that's why he decided to live anonymously. And there may be a possibility that he is online from another account and is observing things.

It is that innate desire for humans to uncover something that looks like a mystery. It is just like deep sea exploration, space exploration and all. And the fact is that as long as the identity of Satoshi remains hidden, there would be a person or group of persons out there who would make it their life's mission to uncover this mystery, with or without the help of any government agency. And they will not give up unless there is a reason beyond any doubt for them to. As for me, I don't care who he is. He's created something phenomena and I am appreciative of that and will use it to the best of what it was meant to do.

I feel like there's no good way to handle this, so their best case scenario is to stall.

If they know who that is and reveal it, that person might become a target. They'd also be responsible for a large panic on the market because what if that's someone's neighbor? What if he lived in a country that your country is in conflict with? What if you knew him? It would be a spark that starts a fire.

If they don't know or are unable to track him, this would make people see them as incompetent. It would decrease the respect for the institution. Why tell people you're unable to do something, especially after the recent fiasco of the Secret Service?

If you brain wash children with images like this day by day, many years, most of them will become people like this, violently and that's nothing good at all!

It will be more ok if you edit your post and delete the image attached.

People who knew Satoshi Nakamoto in person possibly is very little than total fingers in one or two hands. I don't know whether there are people who actually knew Satoshi Nakamoto's identity but if they knew it and kept their mouth closed for more than 15 years, there will be nearly no reason for them to open their mouths and reveal identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

Ohhh I love how you used THINK ABOUT CHILDREN, the excuse government use to ban everything  :D

Listen sunny boy, your little cute children from a good neighborhood don't become ruthless gangsters that kill other people and deal drugs from watching pictures.
It will be more OK if you stop being such a snowflake and maybe stop judging people by their color and where they live, this guy can be as well a good citizen, I have guns as well and I'm not a gangster.
So chill out, your children (if you have any) will grow up to be as snowflaky as you, you can't cheat genetics.

Cheers!  8) You racist  :D

https://i.postimg.cc/B6cZ8LYB/u-https-mymodernmet-com-wp-wp-content-uploads-2024-01-cat-street-gangs-ia-3.jpg

Kind of angers me.  Imagine you have done every thing possible to stay hidden after showing the World a project that could one day truly save lives.  Creating an Ecosystem for the Unbanked and for the already Banked to protect themselves from a later very possible failure of Banks.  Then the people you tried helping out end up pretty much sabotaging you by doing the best they can to expose your Identity.

The ONLY case I would like the Identity of Satoshi to be known is if this was a set up planned by the F.B.I. or other Agencies themselves.  But even that would not only hurt their Reputation but the Reputation of Bitcoin itself.  Very badly in fact.  I am skeptical and paranoid enough about Tor and the way it was funded by Agencies.  If I knew Bitcoin was funded or created by them, I would lose hope for a better future honestly.

Just a funny fact: SHA256 Was designed by NSA, so you could say a part of Bitcoin is made by NSA   :D

The rest is probably KGB  ;D

I believe Nick Szabo invented Bitcoin, regardless of who Satoshi actually was. Szabo's 'Bit Gold' concept, which he detailed before the release of the Bitcoin whitepaper, shares many similarities with Bitcoin, such as the idea of decentralized digital currency and the use of cryptographic methods to secure transactions. Szabo mentions Bit Gold and 'bit gold miners' before Satoshi ever appeared. These parallels have led many to speculate that Szabo might have been directly involved in the creation of Bitcoin.

The question arises: why was the date on Nick's blog edited to make it appear as though it was written after the Bitcoin whitepaper was published on October 31, 2008, and after the bitcoin.org domain was registered on August 18, 2008? If the timing doesn't matter, then what's there to hide? It could be a coincidence, a mistake, or perhaps something more deliberate.

On the other hand, the real date is left intact here: https://nakamotoinstitute.org/bit-gold/

I also believe Nick Szabo was the leader, but Hal Finney was also involved. His neighbor was called Satoshi Nakamoto, it's such a coincidence!