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I knew this in the past but I just recently experienced it personally when my internet connection disconnected while I’m on the middle of  bonus game. Surprisingly the game continue to run until the end while I don’t have working internet. It just suddenly stop working after the bonus game ends.

This removes my excitement on playing slot games now because those slow motion effects  whenever I’m about to hit something big are all predetermined. 

Do click skip too to shortcut the animation because you knew that slot games result are predetermined?

This has happened to me before on Livecasino and I won it. It has also happened to me before on Livecasino and I lost it. Have you forgotten that not only you that is gambling on the game that you selected? There are thousands or more of people that are there with you online that are gambling.

This skip on my mind but totally makes sense. But still it just kill the element of surprised on slot game knowing that the game already has a result before you start to play the bonus game.

I think most of the slot games player neglect this but I’m sure there’s some player think that every spin is live and the result is not determined until it was shown.

The alternative to this is a manual control which makes the game not provably fair.

Outcomes are predetermined but are not known even by the house. There only would be a fixed amount of winnings that can happen to ensure the game remains attractive and the casino earns it's profits.

Whether predetermined or not, most still want to watch the animation for the entertainment value. Streamers especially want to watch the animation as they are trying to create content and have longer streams. The only way I would skip the animation and not watch the game fully play out is if I am tilting and chasing losses.

that's why it sucks when your internet gets disconnected in the middle of a game. I've experienced the same thing before, but on my end, there was a blackout in my area so my computer turned off and when the electricity finally came back and I logged in to the game the bonus round was over.

I wouldn't blame anyone on this issue of internet disruption during your gambling section or power failure because that is nobody's fault as the casino is running 24hrs without any interruption from their own side.

I don't think that is was the internet challenge that made you to lose your bet but your bet was bound to be lost. If the OP, is not cool with what happeebd to him on his slot game, he should look for another game to gamble and entertain himself with. I will still continue playing slot because gambling is based on luck.

If you think the result has determined after the result on the animation you are watching on your screen, then you are wrong. The result is already determined and the animation is giving your the entertainment.

I do not play slot often which makes me not have to experienced this before on slot. But on games like Roulette and others like Blackjack, Baccarat and all other games on casinos, good internet connection is also very important because all the fames are live. So if OP is is not cool with it, he will not have to gamble on online casinos.

I honestly have no reason to doubt this claim because me Myself being a regular slot player in the past, I have on one or two occasions encounter the same scenario which left me with exactly same thoughts, but I just decide to not talk or discus about it on this forum since I never really took it seriously.

I have always doubted this whole casino claims that their slot games are provably fair, even when it's obvious that is a lie, this is one of the major reasons I stopped playing Slot games with hopes of making money off it, I simply just play it for the fun, and witb funds I can genuinely afford to lose, each time I want to play games for money, I go for sports betting.

Of course they are all predetermined.  That's why casinos are profitable, if it was a true gamble for them then eventually they'd have a bad run and have to shut down.  Typically slots are the most profitable dollar for dollar game in the casino.  Doesn't mean I don't play them I think they can be fun with all the little side games. 

I noticed this when I was playing games in one of well known casino in the forum and I discovered that slot games are already programmed so we are not playing to our satisfaction but to the benefit of the casino. When I don't know how casino games works, I was thinking that I can play casino games the way we play video games which I will combat with the computer but when I played it. I discovered that I don't have anything to do with the joystick 🕹️. As you press or click start or play then that is all you have to do and the rest is for the already programmed system to run the game until the end. Or you deposit got finished. And you can't stop it. But the lucky gamblers win when they click the winning time when the programmers provided for the gamers to win the game. And that is why it is a lucky game.

I rarely play slot games, I've never had this problem, but the OP made a good point, remember that games that depend solely and exclusively on luck are for entertainment purposes and not for chasing losses, I'm into sports betting at the moment betting little by little each week, I think the return is at least more likely and it's not focused on immediate entertainment, as you have to wait for the final result of the game.

I thought this was common knowledge, the outcome is determined the moment you spin the slot and not after the animation, the animation is there just to proportionate entertainment, which is why you can skip it if you want to know the results immediately, and all video games work that way too by the way, as trying to calculate everything on the fly will be too resource intensive, so in most video games, the result of your potential actions is calculated beforehand.

Not entirely true, Slots result like normal spin is mostly generated by RNG (unless the game is rigged).  It generates random numbers very fast (in milliseconds)  that the animation lags behind thus it makes us think that the result is predetermined. How RNG works is  well explained in this article: https://next.io/news/casino/role-of-rng-in-slot-games/

But in certain cases like picking up options from bonuses, it was stated that some of it is predetermined while some are not. [1]


@OP indeed states a good point but mentioning that slot results are predetermined is a good subject to discuss. Many would have conflicting ideas but luckily we have some articles found in the internet that explains how slots results are generated.

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[1] https://www.kingcasino.com/blog/are-slot-bonus-picks-predetermined/

House do always win at the end and this one is really that pretty common specially it is really that been coded up or specific algorithms but on which of course it will really
be that in line with the house in speaking about advantage or simply be siding out on where it would really be that putting up that focus on winning or advantage. The only thing that we cant really be
able to provide with is on how we would really be able to prove out that it is really that truly pre-determined? making up some issues and arguementation that they are really that fooling their
gamblers? You would really be having those kind of impressions on the time that you would be noticing something but actually it all matters about acceptance in the end of the day.  :)

The important thing on here is that you do really know on what are the things that you've been dealing with. If you are really that always losing up money with slot gaming
then you might actually right on what you've been thinking. So this would really be the right time that you should really be searching up for other games on which
you would really be that trying out to dealing up with something without having those kind of doubts and other things as well.

When something happens different people would have a different perception and opinions about it. I am no slot enthusiast so I know not much about it to have gotten such experience at any time but using virtual sports betting games I think that's what some of the gamblers assumes it to be when the results flips within the next two seconds to the progammed regulation time. Whereas someone somewhere else got a win from same game. But then, what about other times they've won. Was it an act of  coincidence or what?

This is why some people who stake huge amounts prefer to gamble in a land based casino, I have gone through situations where my network failed and I lost the bet as a result of that... sometimes it's not always about that the service providers but the online casinos, they also have fluctuations sometimes and this can also ruin your bet...this is one of the down sides to online gambling, your huge win might actually be totally ruined by network fluctuations

Why is everyone so surprised about this?

If the outcome of the bet wouldn't have been known a millisecond after you pressed the button, how would the outcome even be calculated?
I'm genuinely curious how you guys think this would even work?

The whole thing is known when the game starts, that's how slots have worked from when there were 3 cherries spinning in old casinos, the moment you pulled the lever the machine picked a combination and it already knew what prize or loss to award you half a minute before those stopped spinning. There is no other way to make those, especially in online gaming.

This has happened to me many times, for some reason in the middle of the bonus round I have to refresh the page and the slot continues where it left off. But this thing is even better seen in some other situations, for example, open BC.Game casino and turn on live stats while playing. When you get a bonus round in the live stats window you immediately see the final winnings, watching the bonus is just a formality... you can speed up your hands or not... it's all the same.


When you click "spin" the result is already known, but the magic is in watching those reels. So we all know this, but many of us still play slots and we wait/hope for a big win. :)

 I think the Op is talking about the predetermined nature of slot games. Which means the games are already configured in the way that even you have bad network the game continuously playing and Op thought, the games would stopped when his network is bad but the opposite was the case. And Op has to know that, that is where the house always wins. Strong network is needed for slot games and crash games.

Internet is key to gambling online and at most, there must always be an alternative Internet option if you know you want to play some games, this is highly inoa d recommended most especially when you want to play games that have house edge and the results predetermined.

There is the need to have your own input in the game so that you can have the excitement that comes in playing such game, I don't like slot that much and slot is not even among my favorite so I haven't experience such a incident of losing Internet connections along the line while playing that game.

It's always very important when playing casino games that you make sure to have stable Internet so you don't get to suffer losses resulting from Internet failure, casino games are programmed such that once you prompt them, they just play on till the end not minding your Internet connection.

If you play a game and your Internet went off, you are still not going to have a the game wait for your Internet to be restored before it continues. For slot, there are results for every rounds and so if your Internet goes off it doesn't affect the results as same will still be the result at the e d of the round.

Inasmuch as slot games are claimed to be predetermined game or not, the fact that remains is that people have been playing and also winning big, of which many can testify to this, because slot is a game whose outcome is primarily base on luck, so if you were not lucky, you just have to accept it. While secondly, judging from your statement in this scenario, what's to be blamed was your poor internet connection which kept breaking while you were gambling on a slot game, of which you ought to have known that while gambling on such game, you needed a fast internet connection to navigate freely. So I'm sorry your bonus had to get exhausted while struggling with your poor internet connection. I have experience same thing while gambling on aviator, and I accepted mine with good faith.

Well, from my understanding, it is clear that it is also based on hash. So whatever your hash is, it is somewhat the key to knowing what the outcome is if you have the key or something. Once you click that button Play, it will be already determined, and I think that’s normal, especially if there are connection problems. It would be helpful if there were no connection problems.

Lol, I have experienced this too. And it always my prayer that the network shouldn't become unstable and disconnected while the spin is on. And I also wish that whenever it happens that the outcome should be in my favor. Like you said sometimes it works that way while at other times, it doesn't. It is what it is. We accept it and move on without getting upset at the game.

The machine continues to spin even if you are disconnected with the server that's what I believe in free spins, because the performance is automatically not like regular spins, maybe if it's over and you get a big win with the same incident will you try to question again?

But look back at your free spins re-spins, do you think there is something strange.

I often experience different things, and I also think the same thing as you think, like it's predetermined, even though my internet network is in good condition and smooth, but sometimes it becomes loading at an important moment in the round.

technically speaking, all gambling games that have some provably fair method (in this case it could be also a slot game) have their runs predetermined and re-producible. but these results could be altered by players or house game. that's why is called as "fair" system...
it's not matter to skip animation... maybe this is "part of the show" something you're also paying to see... so no I will not skip but I am not a slot player.

Ones you hit the bonus the result is already determinated, that's why the bonus hunters can close the slot when they win the bonus and then come later to claim it. But thid doesn't should kill the emotion or the gambing sensation.

Just like you i have mixed feelings about slots games too, i don't feel they are fair at all, but is my personal way to see them.

This is very relatable. While in the middle of playing my virtual sports game, I experienced some network glitch this is not because I have a poor internet connection but because the game was programmed to be that way so that after showing no service the games continued playing and a fake result will pop out that I had lost and which there is no proof of me losing at all. This happens to me often when I have won a lot in sports games. Ever since I knew about their casino tricks I stopped gambling on the platform.

I personally don't mind if the whole bonus game is taken as a single round by the game servers as long as no kind of cheating is involved/revealed because we can all agree that would be a different story lol.

As for the follow up question, I enjoy the spinning and would never skip animations. I especially like the animations on bonus rounds since I get more hyped up as oppose to normal spins. I'd say it's part of the fun.

To some degree slot machines on the internet are definitely predetermined, that at least means that even as you've seen the "machine" spin its gears, there's already a predetermined combination that would fall into once the animation resolves. But it doesn't mean that the casino is gaming you, matter of fact that is pretty much the case for every digital slot machine you have out there, and while there are ways for the casino to tweak its system to favor their preferred odds but for the most part, reputable ones just keep it as is cause they are pre-set to favor the casino's anyway.

One more thing, good that it takes the fun out of playing slot games for you, these are massive money drainers and in my opinion, they even take the fun out of gambling just by being there lol.

This is very technical to explain, if you are web developer, you will understand this.

As a web developer there is sometimes a delay or some cache that stored offline in frontend of a website (what you can see) sometimes these are not recorded especially if frontend lost connection with the backend where everything is recorded.

Especially if you doing auto in slot where sometimes there's a delay like consider the animation you are seing but behind the scene there are already few rolls that already done which you already won or lost. But I believe they are fair, you can see it in your history with seeds of fair.

Predetermined or not, I believe the outcomes are still completely controlled by the house so we can’t do nothing about it. We may be in profits some time but surely, they gained more profits from us. The concept here is try not to look as slot games as a way to make more money, but to make yourself entertained even if you still lose when the game ends.

It seems like I have also experienced the same thing as you, my friend, but maybe with a slightly different scenario, where I didn't realize that my cellphone battery was low when I was playing one type of slot game, and when I managed to get a scatter bonus at that time my cellphone died, and then I first charged the cellphone battery, and when I re-entered the game, it turned out that there was no bonus round running, I thought all of that should have been repeated because when there is no internet connection, the game should not run as you said OP.

At that time I lost the round, but the strange thing is that my total balance was still the same as at the beginning before I got the bonus round and also before my cellphone died, I don't know what caused it but it was definitely a very annoying situation.

In a sense they are of course predetermined based on a return-to-player rate. In essence all the fancy pictures and graphics are only meant to make it more fun, but in terms of the results it is clear what to expect. If the RNG can be verified to be working properly, you do essentially know that you are going to lose unless you get, well, lucky obviously. Slot games are all about luck and in serious casinos with good reputation you can rely on the results being provably fair I guess. You could as well roll the dice, but as there are player types who love to spend their time with certain themes, there is all kinds of stuff that these casinos are offering.

I guess you are not referring to games being rigged right? Because predetermination of the outcome could be misunderstood as well.

That also happened to me, but I recall mine getting stuck in the spinning animation and the game forced me to refresh the page once my internet got back.

It depends on the situation and strategy, if i'm going to spin hundreds of times i'll be using that skip animation to waste less time. Sometimes it gets annoying to sit through the same animation once you've played the same game several times.

I'm not a big fan of these types of games based solely on luck, but from what little I know about this subject, I believe that your bet was already pre-determined at the moment you agreed to play it and the animation between the "start" and the result is something that was already downloaded to your computer and would run anyway before showing you whether you lost or won.

In other words, the system had already determined your result and probably even the bookmaker already knew about it, but the animation was shown to you, even offline, because that is what makes the game attractive to people (besides the money).
Otherwise, it would be much easier and simpler for you to just roll dice or see some numbers "jumping" on your screen... something that would be extremely boring.

Obviously I'm not ruling out the possibility that there may be some fraud, because whenever you bet on a game based solely on luck, you need to look for reliable sites to avoid the problem of fraud. What I'm saying is what I'm saying here is that this animation problem is not a justified reason to accuse them of fraud.

The game will be continuous because you are playing with the slot there's an option with it and afaik bonus games are continuous once you play even you get disconnected only the normal spins are the one will stop on the game. Sometimes we just come on our mind that the excitement is no more due to we don't see what happen in the game like it didn't satisfy us to play anymore. Before my strategy is to continuously clicking the reroll button until I got the scatter or the bonus feature, im not fan of buying bonus feature at all that time.

Of course, we don't have to doubt that the results are predetermined. But this predetermination exists at the level of the game algorithm and is often unknown even to the casino itself before the result occurs. The casino may know its long-term odds and that the law of large numbers works in its favor, but it most likely does not know in advance the specific outcome of a particular game. In general, this does not make much sense for the casino: it does not need to know the outcome of each game in advance. There are many laws - mathematical and psychological - that push players to lose.

I have experienced something similar but I don't really care about the results because in the bonus game the chances of winning are still very small, even if big multiplier comes out, we can't really get it with good table breakdown.
All slot games will give win if we are lucky and in getting lucky, the average gambler has to spend lot of spins in game, although there are some who only win in few spins, but it is very rare.
If lose the bonus game without any wins and the network is disrupted, then I won't think anything about bad things including games that have been set because basically this is game with random algorithm and of course our chances of winning cannot be ascertained.

For this, I will clearly do it but not because of the reasons for the game that has been set but to immediately see the results of the game and be able to continue playing immediately by taking bonus purchases or manual spins.

I have experienced something a bit similar, where I get free spins but when it's only been running for about one or two spins my internet connection is lost, by waiting a while then the internet connection is stable again I immediately reopen the bet I was doing before, but what happened was the free spins just disappeared with the money I had in the casino wallet still the same amount no changes happened, I didn't think anything like asking the staff at the casino but I just didn't care about it.

losing is something that is certain to happen, besides that with what you experienced I think it was indeed arranged by the casino. I don't know for sure whether it was arranged or just pure luck I think we just have to be able to gamble reasonably, the defeats that will happen more often must be realized so as not to gamble excessively.
but considering the chances of winning and losing that the player has, of course the chances of winning are smaller than winning while for the casino the chances of winning are higher this may prove that everything has been arranged with the aim of generating a lot of profit for the casino.

Yeah, experienced the same as well, got disconnected and when I came back the game is over and I lost. However, there are times that I have intermittent connection and then won. So still based on luck I guess and even if it is so called pre-determined, that makes the game very exciting for us.

I understand that it removed your excitement, but what and who can we blame? The internet did act up in the bad time and so you didn't see what is the spin on the reel and probably you can wish that you will win big.

My comment is not about the interruption of the internet but instead the general fact that every spin already has a result once we click the spin. Slot games usually has a slow motion effects whenever you are about to hit a bonus round or a huge win that gives excitement to players if we know that this is a live spin but knowing that if you just skip it or just close the game it has already a result.

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I will lock now the thread since I already get an opinion that satisfies my curiosity.