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Title: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: adultcrypto on August 17, 2024, 07:01:41 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Orpichukwu on August 17, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
It's what it is in the game; gambling will always show us why it's gambling, and for the game, you might be busy making your own analysis of how the game will play while the team will be on the other end making their own plan on how they want to end the game, which won't be the same as you predicted in some cases too. Some games might fall under fixed matches, or some teams can just be unlucky. Whatever the case, maybe what it's just telling us at the end is that we can't completely predict the outcome of what we are not controlling.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Hispo on August 17, 2024, 07:09:42 PM
there is indeed some minimum skill when comes to sportbetting and correctly predict the outcome of games and matches, but I believe those skills are overshadowed by the luck component those matches have attached to them and make them completely unpredictable in the even of the average sport bettor.
A profesional sport bettor or one who tries to be one usually tries to analize the performance of their favorite teams against their foes and calculate the rate of success in different situations, still there is no warranty of earning money from betting on sports.
Skills in this contexts is used just to increase the rate of success a little bit than the average, but it would be a easy path to become rich with Sportbetting, it is something to keep in mind.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Davidvictorson on August 17, 2024, 07:17:03 PM
There is some degree of skill involved in sports betting. Mind you being skillful at something doesn't mean that there won't be any losses. It doesn't mean that things would work out perfectly well. No. It is the same way too in sports betting. In your case this may rather not be a skill problem but a strategy problem. Because you didn't give us enough details or context, I cannot say which is which.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 17, 2024, 07:22:01 PM
Sports or not sports, no skills in getting for consistent winning.

It is true that you can analyze a match before it starts but you can see how unpredictable some matches are. Some matches might end up as loss while some clubs that you thing may not win might draw or won.

Just know that bookies set the odds in a way gamblers will later lose. Gamble and have fun. If no fun derived from it, stop gambling.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Die_empty on August 17, 2024, 07:24:10 PM
It's what it is in the game; gambling will always show us why it's gambling, and for the game, you might be busy making your own analysis of how the game will play while the team will be on the other end making their own plan on how they want to end the game, which won't be the same as you predicted in some cases too. Some games might fall under fixed matches, or some teams can just be unlucky. Whatever the case, maybe what it's just telling us at the end is that we can't completely predict the outcome of what we are not controlling.
In my perspective winning sport bets is a combination of skills and luck. You need to learn how to check the head-to-head of the teams that are involved. The quality of players and coaches needs to be studied before you can make your predictions. But in some cases, a very good analysis might not produce wins because of the uncertainty of sports activities. This is when you need luck to scale through. Even when clubs are labeled as favorites, they might end up losing the game. Sports results are also unpredictable because small teams can end up winning big clubs. Some gamblers have made some good money by betting against teams that are presumed the favorites. Fixed matches are rare in top-flight leagues. Hence, their influence on the results of most major leagues is highly negligible.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Tmoonz on August 17, 2024, 07:26:37 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

For me I would say that there is skill in sports betting but adviseably one should not completely rely so much on his or her skills as completely relying on one skills can lead to over confidence which can be very problematic and emotional devastation especially when they game go against you. But however it is your skills that will help you in keeping up with old and current news, making comparisons and arrive at your conclusions, thou there is no guarantee to all of this, the logic should be, explore your skills and accept whatever that becomes the outcomes.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: JunaidAzizi on August 17, 2024, 07:28:20 PM
Gambling is half skill and half depends on your luck, and that's how it works. Usually, you see that your prediction goes wrong just because you don't have the potential skill to predict the next movement of the game, and sometimes you will not be sure, but suddenly things change, and you will win that bet because of luck. Both play a role in gambling, but when it comes to sports betting, it requires your skill, skill of analysation, skill of understanding and skill of identification.

In sports betting, your luck will minimally work, and all your chances of winning depend on your skill to analyze the team performance against the opponent team by their previous matches and their present match too, and then decide to bet on the team. If you have enough skills to identify the weaknesses or strengths of the team, then you will succeed in your betting.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: BITCOIN4X on August 17, 2024, 07:36:05 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
All of this really depends on your gambling style. I think you will actually win more bets especially sports betting (football) if you only bet on favorite teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City. It is true that sometimes you have to lose because your favorite team can also lose or draw, but you have to be sure that it is impossible for you to win all the bets.

You have to be very sharp in making choices, especially in matches that bring together two teams that are relatively even in terms of squad depth. It's always difficult to determine who will win when both teams have almost equal squads, so regarding this match your win and loss ratio will probably be the same. But listen to this advice, don't bet just to win, but get the fun from it.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: stomachgrowls on August 17, 2024, 07:39:05 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Usually you would really be that moulding up these kind of questions into your mind on the time that you would really be finding yourself losing even if you have given your best shot in terms of analysis
and other correlated aspects on the time that you do pick up your bets on which i could say that it would really be that normal. There would really be a time or moment that you would really be having those kind of questions back into your head on what the heck you have done something wrong. You thought that it was plain perfect or everything is really that you could confidently say that it is really that most likely to win,
not until on the time that you had lost your bet then of course you would really be raising up those kind of questions on what the heck happened?

We should really be that always thinking up realistically that gambling or betting or any sort of risking money to earn money will really always that relies on luck or something a factor that shouldnt really be
removed because no matter how good your pick is but if luck isnt on your side then it would really be that totally a shit pick in the end. Skills in sports betting will definitely talk about on how
well you are knowledgeable on a specific sports on which considered to be included into that part.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Huppercase on August 17, 2024, 07:41:53 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

I have been here and done this many times but I will tell you for free that skills over doubt and fear. When you make blind predictions and don't put much effort, they tend to win most times you can ever imagine but I want to tell you that it's for a short time. You will run out of the luck and what will save you later is the luck, so learn to used your skill to develop that luck so you can use the rest of your days winning with skills.

Another thing is don't get frustrated with your predictions. I have went for a full month predicting Premier League games but the way Chelsea and Manchester United were having unstable constituency in their games and how Arsenal were losing hurt me but I came back with good result again that covered all that I lost one for that month. Gambling can be scary sometimes.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: electronicash on August 17, 2024, 07:44:01 PM
arbitrage betting certainly need a skill.

but yep, if you know the sport then you may already know the tools in who to put your money on. there have been people claiming to be good in predicting winners, if anyone have made success in doing it, i think one can also learn to do it.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: BABY SHOES on August 17, 2024, 07:45:46 PM
Sports betting is not entirely luck there are still skills needed to increase your chances in betting, because there are so many types of bets in sports in one match so many bookies give you odds options the rest you can analyze yourself and completely not skill but luck will always be there.

Have you ever experienced where you have analyzed sports betting and researched for a long time to find out the players before the match starts, but in the end the prediction is not in line and the bet loses, then the luck factor is still there.

For me of course skills in sports betting will always be there, I'm sure some of the coaches have skills even if it's just a little.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Wiwo on August 17, 2024, 07:56:52 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Sometimes you may feel like that because football is an unpredictable game so no matter your analysis ability, there is always a chance that will bit your outcome, sometimes it plays out the way you want them, but other times, the match will just go in another direction that may be totally out of your prediction.

But regardless of that, we shouldn't undermine the the power of analysis when it comes to sport bets because all the information that we need to work with in real time are all presented.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: iBaba on August 17, 2024, 08:03:15 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

One thing that I can assure you works quite effectively with sports betting is experience. When you have experience in placing bets, you could enjoy the benefits of having upper hands than someone who barely knows little about the gambling. With gambling, you are rest assured that what will play out in the end is your luck, however, you can have more lucks and chances by your side if you've gannered some wealth of experience in the gambling industry aside from the luck that comes with every attempt and efforts you make.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: bitbollo on August 17, 2024, 08:04:50 PM
the first skill is the ability of fast calculation (even at a statistical level). of course they know very well the games/ teams/ player (skills of memory).
Good gamblers know how to recognize an advantageous odd with a simple glance in matter of few seconds.
They are calm/ relaxed with outcomes. They are also able to manage their money in a profitable manner.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Frankolala on August 17, 2024, 08:07:38 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
In sportbet skill which is the knowledge on the game and the clubs in question is good but that doesn't means that skill supercedes luck. Lucky is what gambling is all about and that is why I do call it try your luck down here in my country.

One thing with sportbet is that you are predicting the future which you don't know how the outcome will be and there are some unforeseen challenges that will play out in the match. This is where luck plays a major role in gamble than skill. When gambling it is good to gamble for fun in order to be free with your bet and not to bet with fear.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Doan9269 on August 17, 2024, 08:08:15 PM
This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck.

With the way am seeing it, sport betting is not a game of skills neither is it a game of luck like the way slot is, bit am going to support the fact that its of game of experience and knowledge, how knowledgeable we are in sporting activities and the exposure will help us in many ways to move closer to winning bets on sports games, though the decision each one of us make could also help constitute as part of how lucky we may appear in playing the games or not.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: |MINER| on August 17, 2024, 08:09:00 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Gambling always depends on luck what ever you can say you have analysis skill on sports. And if there is anything that works by the gambler's skill then gambling can be also taken as a money making source. But I will say that analysis skill can grow up your winning ratio but ultimately gambling depends on luck. When it's come to sports betting everyone should have at least the knowledge about the sports and teams which he bettinng


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on August 17, 2024, 08:12:37 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
What one basically in sports betting is good knowledge of sports, this helps the gambler to atleast, know which club or team to bet for when ever there is a match going on or coming up.
Having a good sports knowledge increases one chances of making the right choice in their bet, but this does not completely undermine the place of luck, and this is because aside from having a good sports knowledge, sports betting is solely a luck based game or type of gambling, since it has to do with prediction the future or outcome of a future event, and since no one has the ability or capacity to tell what will or can happen in the future, it takes being lucky to accurately predict the outcome of a sporting event.

So, overall, sports knowledge helps a gambler to know which team to place a bet on, but at the end of the day, luck is what decides whether the gambler will win that bet or not.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: dothebeats on August 17, 2024, 08:19:31 PM
Knowledge in analyzing stuff and knowing where to get the right information before a bet is a skill in itself. You can always utilize this knowledge to help you gain an advantage over the bookies no matter how small that advantage is. If you can continuously use this to win games, it means that it's a skill since it's not just luck that helps you win games, it's also your ability to use information to your advantage to choose the right team to bet on.

Though that is the case, it's still not a 100% guarantee that you'll win games due to your next-level analyses. It's still gambling at the end of the day, and accidents, injuries, or such can cause a sure-win game to be lost in just a couple of moments.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: topbitcoin on August 17, 2024, 08:26:38 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
In gambling, luck cannot be completely removed, there are many small things that can bring luck to your bet.

But to bring yourself closer to victory requires skills such as analyzing the team, reading team news / player conditions / reading strategies, determining the chances of victory that can be obtained, looking at the history of the match and others like that that can help you choose a place to bet, yes even though all the things in the analysis do not guarantee victory, but usually it can make you have more chances in getting victory in sports betting.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Rruchi man on August 17, 2024, 08:40:54 PM
This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck.
It is a luck-based game, according to classification, but there is skill and experience in sports betting that only people who have been betting for so long have.

The experience of gambling will help you decipher which games to avoid and which games to play, as well as the best choices for a bet. You know that there are many options in sports betting aside from straight wins or losses. Experienced sports bettors always have an edge.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on August 17, 2024, 08:42:12 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Don't you think if the skill in Sport betting were to work the way you thought, or to work the way many gamblers had predicted that many would have been millionaires today due to massive success winning they would have got. So if you are new to gambling, I will love to say that gambling is one skill that can never be fully mastered, since it a sport whose outcome are always as a result of several different variables, such as the strength of the club, the coach's ability to come up with strategic plans at die minutes, and the goal keepers ability to effectively safe shots, e.t.c. which are factors which contribute to the outcome of a sporting event.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Hamphser on August 17, 2024, 08:51:00 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
In gambling, luck cannot be completely removed, there are many small things that can bring luck to your bet.

But to bring yourself closer to victory requires skills such as analyzing the team, reading team news / player conditions / reading strategies, determining the chances of victory that can be obtained, looking at the history of the match and others like that that can help you choose a place to bet, yes even though all the things in the analysis do not guarantee victory, but usually it can make you have more chances in getting victory in sports betting.
Its constant or something which is really that permanent and this is something that you should consider so that  you wont really be ending up on getting disappointed on the time that you would really be losing up some bets just because of some common factors. We do know that there's no 100% sure win and this is why it would really be always best that you should really be that prepared for this one.
Speaking about skills then i do agree into most people been saying that this would really be talking on how well you do make up your bets basing up into your knowledge and awareness on a specific
sport on which we know that when it comes to this aspect then this is something that will really be giving out that better chance for you to win up a particular bet.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: DaNNy001 on August 17, 2024, 09:11:24 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Yes some people are actually skilled when it comes to sports betting they know the in and outs of the system from experience and deligent analysis, to be skillful in sports betting you have to invest your time to know very key informative details about football teams and players...this doesn't mean that all your predictions will be successful because gambling has a high volume of luck involved, knowledge and skills are just additional things to add you can't always rely on luck


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Casdinyard on August 17, 2024, 09:18:17 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Compared to other types of games, betting doesn't really take much of a skill besides just being attentive and good with details, and besides that you're pretty much set with whatever you wanna do, it's not like you're supposed to be good with cards, or know how to count, or whatever, all you really need is a keen eye, and at least some level of knowledge regarding the sport you're trying to place bets on. So honestly I don't even understand why you're feeling like that to begin with. It's not like this is a skillful gig.

It's not luck, cause inherently all games are 50/50 no matter how strong or weak a team is. But it doesn't require skill to predict who's going to win either. You literally just need to be there.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Slow death on August 17, 2024, 09:34:29 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Maybe you should do a little test: go to your bookmaker and start choosing league games randomly and then put money on those games, see the results. The next day do the same thing. After 7 days of doing the same thing, look at the number of wins and the number of losses you have had. Then, in another 7 days, place bets on games from the leagues you know and analyze the games before placing bets and see how many wins and losses you have had. You will see that the number of wins will be higher in the games you analyzed, that is why everyone considers sports betting as being something that involves skills and not luck.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: freedomgo on August 17, 2024, 09:45:34 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
It depends on your belief. If you think this is a game based on skill, you will work to improve your skills. The problem with us is that we aren't realistic with our approach, like starting with a small bankroll and aiming to win big. That doesn't work, as sports betting should be a long-term activity with the goal of being profitable in the end.

It's easier to keep it simple but with a more realistic approach. Start with a decent bankroll so you can also target a decent profit. For example, if you start with $1,000 and end up winning 100% in 3 months, that's only doubling your money. It's easier than starting with $100 and trying to reach $1,000, which requires you to win 10 times your initial amount. You see the difference. This is not just about winning but about how we manage our bankroll, and it's vital since most of us don't think this way.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Raflesia on August 17, 2024, 09:59:11 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
I also often feel this way where there is a lack of confidence in myself when I want to bet. It's normal because we're using our money so it becomes a protective situation to defend our money subconsciously which makes us doubt whether we should bet or not.
But I anticipate this with another suggestion by saying that I can do it and it's okay if my prediction is not right which means I have to do better in analyzing a match.

That is effective enough to restore my confidence because after all, it happens because we are too messed up with various kinds of analysis and thoughts when losing so the only way we can overcome it is by restoring our confidence and considering that losing is a condition that does exist because in gambling of course the benchmark if you don't win means losing and we have to accept all the results we get later.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Zoomic on August 17, 2024, 10:14:42 PM
but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Is there any consistency in winning in gambling? The house always has an edge over the gamblers, if you record a consistent win, how will these betting platforms make money?

The few times you've won in gambling, it was because of your knowledge of the sport. If you think skill and knowledge is irrelevant to sport betting, then you should try betting blindly on a game you have no clue of or have no knowledge of the teams involved, then watch out for the outcome of the game.

Many things can  cause one to give wrong predictions even when they know facts about the sport very well. They include; doubts and overconfidence. The more more you begin to feel so much pressure not to make mistakes, you become extremely careful and begin to predict wrongly. That is why, most gamblers win more when they care less about what they are gambling on.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Weawant on August 17, 2024, 10:23:46 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
I believe if you have been reading other threads on the gambling board, you should have gotten an answer to this question because several times this has been addressed and similar threads as this has been created and response to this has been made in such threads so I don't know if t was still very necessary that one as this should be made rather than going to read from those threads and getting answers to this, nevertheless I will make a quick response to this. Skills cannot be undermined so does luck, infact from my perspective, bothe has got a very close arbitrage such that saying it's 50/50 wouldn't be considered false, so making a perfect combination of these two will definitely get you productivity gambling.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Russlenat on August 17, 2024, 10:35:56 PM

Don't you think if the skill in Sport betting were to work the way you thought, or to work the way many gamblers had predicted that many would have been millionaires today due to massive success winning they would have got. So if you are new to gambling, I will love to say that gambling is one skill that can never be fully mastered, since it a sport whose outcome are always as a result of several different variables, such as the strength of the club, the coach's ability to come up with strategic plans at die minutes, and the goal keepers ability to effectively safe shots, e.t.c. which are factors which contribute to the outcome of a sporting event.

For you to succeed in sports betting, you need to think the opposite of how the majority thinks. This doesn’t seem like a skill to most of us, but we have to believe that there are gamblers who are profitable from sports betting. Let’s say this is a very tough job, but there are successful people, so we should still try and maybe push ourselves to the limit to see if we could really be one of the few who succeed. Thinking it’s not skill-based is fine, as that would lessen the pressure in some ways, but it’s also fine to be more aggressive in our belief that maybe one day we will become professional gamblers who make a fortune in sports betting.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Tungbulu on August 17, 2024, 10:40:11 PM
saying it's 50/50 wouldn't be considered false, so making a perfect combination of these two will definitely get you productivity gambling.
I personally think that success in sports betting has to do more of puck than skill so I wouldn't give it a 50/50 rating at this point. This is because sports betting is completely unpredictable due to certain reasons, while the gambler's ability to effectively make use of the available analytical tools to come up with a potential and possible outcome can actually come in handle in specific occasions, it's important to note that it takes way more than a gambler's analytical skills to succeed in sports betting because no matter how accurate you feel your analysis are, there's no outcome that's certain so one would still need more of luck in order to be successful in the bet. So I think it'll be more logical to say it's more of a 70/30 thing, 70% of luck and 30% of skill.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: mirakal on August 17, 2024, 10:45:35 PM
Sports betting may be a skill-based but the fact that every gambler has no control over the game, still sportsbetting still end up being luck-based, just like majority of the betting games here. That’s why learn to enjoy every bet, because at the end of the day, there’s no assurance that we will win from our bets, because the edge will always be in the house, but at least we get entertained. Professional gamblers or not, we are all susceptible to losses as long as gambling is concern.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: AmoreJaz on August 17, 2024, 11:04:13 PM
Sports betting may be a skill-based but the fact that every gambler has no control over the game, still sportsbetting still end up being luck-based, just like majority of the betting games here. That’s why learn to enjoy every bet, because at the end of the day, there’s no assurance that we will win from our bets, because the edge will always be in the house, but at least we get entertained. Professional gamblers or not, we are all susceptible to losses as long as gambling is concern.

But the more you are familiar with the sports, the better is your chance of selecting good odds for your bets. It may be influenced by luck factor, however, if you have the knowledge of the sports you are betting with, you will have the upper hand in which odds are better to bet on.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: acroman08 on August 17, 2024, 11:30:37 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
that's because despite all the knowledge you have on the sport there are still unpredictable events that could happen which could change the course of the match. that being said, sports betting is still a skill-based game because knowing how to research and analyse data properly is a skill.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: GigaBit on August 17, 2024, 11:37:28 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
A gambler can definitely get some advantage there if he has skills in sports betting. But there are no guarantees. Even after analyzing many sports betting it is not possible to win. But with good skill a gambler can have a slight edge to win. I personally gave sports betting a higher priority for skill for a while but my luck there has shown the complete opposite. Which is why I tend to rely on both skill and luck. I wouldn't say that skill doesn't play a role. But it should be remembered that we can never be sure in sports betting. Those who give equal priority to both skill and luck can be ahead in winning.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Shinpako09 on August 17, 2024, 11:48:19 PM
There is, and it could help you, but it is not completely about skills because at the end of the day, it is still gambling, and you still need luck. As long as the match hasn't concluded, it could turn the other way. Analysis will be useless when unforeseen circumstances happen, for example, an injury during the match. No one can predict or analyze that it will happen during that match.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: LDL on August 17, 2024, 11:59:09 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
When it comes to sportsbetting, you can benefit more if you use your acquired experience or knowledge than luck. Especially in sportsbetting, if you know the teams well and if you get a good knowledge about each player, it is much easier to bet. Teams, team strength, players, venues etc. have a huge impact on sportsbetting so you definitely need prior experience and skills. Yes, many times two things are defeated in betting despite previous experience and skill, in this case luck definitely determines the winning of betting.  But like in dice, poker, rolling, luck is very important but in sportsbetting prior experience and scale are very important.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: mirakal on August 18, 2024, 02:17:37 AM
Sports betting may be a skill-based but the fact that every gambler has no control over the game, still sportsbetting still end up being luck-based, just like majority of the betting games here. That’s why learn to enjoy every bet, because at the end of the day, there’s no assurance that we will win from our bets, because the edge will always be in the house, but at least we get entertained. Professional gamblers or not, we are all susceptible to losses as long as gambling is concern.

But the more you are familiar with the sports, the better is your chance of selecting good odds for your bets. It may be influenced by luck factor, however, if you have the knowledge of the sports you are betting with, you will have the upper hand in which odds are better to bet on.
This is the difference compared to pure luck-based games, as we can use our experience when betting. Although luck is still the thing, our experience helps us decide where to put our bets. This means that we don't just rely solely on luck but also on our instincts and learning. 

That is why I prefer sports betting over other games in the sense that winning is not too far to happen, and aside from that, I enjoy sports, making me familiar with the team. Although I was just wanting to be entertained, I believe choosing the game where you have a bigger chance is ideally the best choice. 



Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Yatsan on August 18, 2024, 02:31:31 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

There's fun and excitement in sports betting. If i were to talk about the skill side, there is statistical analysis, knowledge of team dynamics, and forecasting, while passion plays a large role in the unpredictability of sporting outcomes. With so much science and testing involved, exercise remains elusive, meaning that improvement can sometimes be elusive. This can sometimes result in apparent inconsistencies, sometimes in events that is completely out of your control or fluke circumstances. It means counterbalancing knowledge with the acceptance of sheer luck, and this is how one, through balance, can keep expectations at bay to achieve overall improvement in betting.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: alegotardo on August 18, 2024, 02:48:27 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Even outside of the betting environment, the predictability of a sports game is not a certainty until it is over.
Especially when we talk about football, as I talk about it because it is the sport that I know best, I have seen scenarios in which favorite teams lose to others that are far below them technically.
I've also seen games that seemed to be won have a turnaround in the last few minutes of the game.
And fortunately this is not that rare to happen... I say "fortunately" because this is what makes the sport interesting, because if every favorite team wins or every game ends with the best team defining the score of the game, what's the point in that? ?

Unfortunately, for bettors this is terrible, as it breaks all of our planning, but it is certainly much more predictable than non-sports betting.
What I can tell you is... follow your instincts, if you believe that some team or athlete can beat another, even against the odds or statistics, then bet on them.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Peanutswar on August 18, 2024, 02:54:03 AM
Even you are not the player of the team you can see their skills and game play on the field by observing with their game you can see if they have a potential winning the game. Also today there's a lot of platform giving statistics information of the player and the team who's the underdog, potential winner and possible sure winner of the game.
Basically it's about the statistics of the game. Number never lies but it's sports game just one mistake or two maybe a table turn.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: junder on August 18, 2024, 03:22:18 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
in my opinion all gambling involves luck including gambling that requires skill to do it, and with sports betting that does say it involves skill, luck still plays a role. besides the skills involved in sports betting also involve knowledge, skills and knowledge here can be said to have an influence because when skills and good knowledge can increase the chances of winning but do not eliminate the role of luck.

but there is no very accurate prediction, some say gamblers are skilled but in my opinion that does not mean they are free from luck of course luck still plays a role in this case with those who do it haphazardly or with those who do it carefully. having good skills is not bad, but what must be considered is that no matter how good the skills are, they will not be able to guarantee that victory will continue to be obtained or can win consistently, because the luck that is also involved still applies.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: ralle14 on August 18, 2024, 03:29:06 AM
This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
There's some level of skill involved with sports betting and it's more than just knowledge between the teams you're betting on. It's easy to rely too much on the information we get and forget about the other missing pieces. For example, you have bettors who consistently aim to beat the closing line and catch the best odds whenever available.

One of the other posts mentioned arbitrage betting, that's another example too but most sportsbooks don't like those kinds of bettors because they continuously win. Regardless of luck having a big part in sports betting some bettors know how to get around it and make a living.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: AVE5 on August 18, 2024, 03:35:30 AM
If there was assured skills in winning in the prediction gambling games, then there should be a point to say there is a scenario winning assurance but that's an invalid informations because there's no such possibilities.
The only considerate is that experiences could help in choosing potential games to win by analyzing while forecasting the game. But then, winning in gambling is strickly based on luck and not about what we know about gambling that's why our instincts fails us.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Julien_Olynpic on August 18, 2024, 03:36:52 AM
This is an interesting question and this question will be asked, in my opinion, many more times. There are two facts that at first glance seem to contradict each other. The first fact is that in sports betting there is a very large element of chance or, as they say, "luck". The second fact tells us that in addition to the random factor, there are also certain patterns by which one can predict the outcome of the game with a fairly high probability. I think that it is precisely such games that professional players use to place bets.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: ajiz138 on August 18, 2024, 04:26:12 AM
Sports betting may be a skill-based but the fact that every gambler has no control over the game, still sportsbetting still end up being luck-based, just like majority of the betting games here. That’s why learn to enjoy every bet, because at the end of the day, there’s no assurance that we will win from our bets, because the edge will always be in the house, but at least we get entertained. Professional gamblers or not, we are all susceptible to losses as long as gambling is concern.

But the more you are familiar with the sports, the better is your chance of selecting good odds for your bets. It may be influenced by luck factor, however, if you have the knowledge of the sports you are betting with, you will have the upper hand in which odds are better to bet on.
Yeah it increases your betting odds if you know the match and the club and some of the players you know it all takes analysis doesn't it?

Because sports matches are unpredictable, the luck factor will always be there. This is gambling so it will not be separated from luck even if the favorite team against the underdog team is far different sometimes we see different results.

I believe that sports betting requires skill even if it's just the little you have knowledge of.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Wexnident on August 18, 2024, 05:46:39 AM
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I mean in comparison to just slots/dice? Definitely. This doesn't mean that there's no variance of luck though. Or more specifically, that the result of the game depends on you, definitely not no no. It still ultimately depends on the player themselves, which is not you, aka outside of your "skills" involved when deciding the bet, hence why it's still somewhat luck-dependent. I mean you can imagine how skill-based games like say, basketball, tennis, football, stuff like that have some luck involved at some minimal as well, what more with us who are just betting on these people involved in the game itself.

Though I guess calling it "luck" is weird since it's ultimately their skill but hey, at the end of the day it's something OUTSIDE of what we can control, so regardless of whether it was actually just their skill or plain luck, it's still something that is outside of that regular skillset gamblers can use.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Poker Player on August 18, 2024, 05:48:50 AM
Yes, there is. What they don't tell you is that only a minority of bettors achieve positive results consistently and in the long term, and that it is a process that requires effort, dedication and study, as well as banrkoll control and other psychological aspects.

Besides, I am not a bettor myself, but according to what I have heard it is becoming more and more difficult because the bookmakers are adjusting the odds better and better. You compete against statistical programs of the houses, not humans, and that is very difficult to beat.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Hatchy on August 18, 2024, 06:47:55 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
The best skill you can have in sport betting or even any gambling form is called experience. Most people think that because Mr A is doing great in making profit from his gambling then he might understand it very well or something similar. But then, Mr A might have been gambling for a far long time and understand when to place his bets, the odds of the game and the power of the team he is betting on. So it doesn't necessarily mean there's a super skill to place bets in games but your own experience and strategy put together will make your wins.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: swogerino on August 18, 2024, 08:02:39 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

There is a lot of room for skill in sport betting.You only have not to play the major leagues like the 5 top major European Leagues of football which almost never come as predicted,being it money line,asian handicap or even with over/under type of bets.Let me make you an example,if you played the English Premier League with goals and not over 2.5 but just over 1.5 or over 2 yesterday I lost because of Newcastle,normally the skill in predicting how many goals would be scored in that game surely would lead to think that would be more than 2 goals and in fact the game ended 1-0 for Newcastle.When I saw the stats,I saw 6 goalkeeper saves from Newcastle which was the reason the game ended with just one goal,so skill is truly relevant in here but also luck like those 6 saves makes an impact here.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: m2017 on August 18, 2024, 08:14:08 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Undoubtedly, the ability to analyze and predict the outcome of upcoming sports events for betting is an invaluable skill, but these skills at the master level can't be possessed by everyone that affects the results of bets. If your bets turned out to be losing, it means that your analytical skills were worthless, and not that there is no mastery in sports betting. Also, one should not write off the "chance factor", without which no sports event is possible, because on the sports field many unforeseen events are possible, depending (or not depending) on ​​weather conditions and the human factor, even banal sports equipment and accessories.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on August 18, 2024, 08:15:54 AM
This thread sounds pretty much like the OP is incapable of sports betting in a profitable way.

There is a lot of room for skill in sport betting.You only have not to play the major leagues like the 5 top major European Leagues of football which almost never come as predicted,being it money line,asian handicap or even with over/under type of bets.

At least a few years ago the money was in the lesser known or secondary competitions and leagues, where the bookmakers did not adjust the odds well, although I don't know if this is still the case today.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: danherbias07 on August 18, 2024, 08:46:39 AM
Well, the oddsmakers always make sure that we will be confused with our picks.

They sometimes put a trap there which will make us think that the winner is the favorite but sometimes it's not. It's not skill-based gambling, it's more about making the effort to dive into more information to enhance your winning chance.
And even those who think they did everything to lower the risk they will take by getting all the information they need can lose. Plus, you cannot be emotional or a fan of a team because that could also affect your decisions.
I think we also need a bit of luck when it comes to sports betting and we cannot be greedy to take the higher multiplier and expect to win the bet.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: adultcrypto on August 18, 2024, 11:39:01 AM
This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck.
It is a luck-based game, according to classification, but there is skill and experience in sports betting that only people who have been betting for so long have.

The experience of gambling will help you decipher which games to avoid and which games to play, as well as the best choices for a bet. You know that there are many options in sports betting aside from straight wins or losses. Experienced sports bettors always have an edge.
What definition classify sports betting as luck-based game? I think you are getting me confused because if you call sports betting luck-based, what will you call Dice and Slot? Knowlege of the teams, the coach and even the fitness of individual player can help a gambler in making selection and I consider this skill. If it were entirely luck, I do not think we would have the numerous predicting websites out there that offer both paid and free services. It is the rate at which these predictions fails that is making me to doubt if skill is enough


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: sompitonov on August 18, 2024, 11:58:15 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
The sequence can be determined only after a huge sample, or rather the number of bets we made. I don't know exactly how many, but the order can vary around 10 thousand or more. This will take several years and a thorough analysis of our win rate and EV. If we touch on online poker, when I played there was a computer program that many knew, it showed how many hands I played my win rate in different positions at the table. Of course, with sports betting such subtle things are not needed, but the analysis must be complete. In short, this will allow us to learn about our skills, but despite the huge distance of the game, there is still dispersion, which prevents us from determining the true values ​​of our game.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: avp2306 on August 18, 2024, 12:01:25 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Skills? Yes a little percentage of it needs since you need to understand well the odds and have mathematical skills to possibly get higher chance to win. But also the most important factor is familiarity of the sports or league since if we have all of those attributes then provably that we could provably in winning side.

Although there's always no guarantee but if we are familiar on things that we do then winning will follow.

I hear someone saying this is also based on luck since maybe they are just guessing on which teams have high chance to win. But if they dig up more information and try to seek reliable information about team stats and situations maybe with those things they can increase their chance to win on their bets placed.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Pandu Geddon on August 18, 2024, 12:18:39 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

in sports matches, we can see the situation of the team that is going to compete. it can be from statistics or the strength of the squad. it requires knowledge that of course must be adjusted to the bets we will make. I mean don't force yourself to bet on a match where you don't know the chances. don't focus only on big names, because the quality of the game displayed on the field is sometimes far different from what we predict. the fact that some key players on the team cannot play due to injury or card accumulation can also be a consideration because it can affect the team's game.

and maybe you can't forget the most important part of gambling is luck. you can have skills, but some percentages will still be stuck on luck after we make a bet.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Roseline492 on August 18, 2024, 12:47:52 PM
Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck.

I don't really see any skills required on sports betting because if there was to be skilled involved many people would have been cashing out a lot of money from it, however the reason why gambling exist is because of the unpredictable nature which makes it very unique that nobody would be able to no the actual game that can play exactly the way they predict them, so don't feel bad about it because there is no skill involves and in terms of losing is very common even when you are certain about the game, so however in as much as there are so many uncertainty and risk on gambling, there are also gamblers who has established some kind of strategy which they mostly use to keep things balance and reduce there losing chances which is why strategy is more important than anything while gambling.

This is an interesting question and this question will be asked, in my opinion, many more times. There are two facts that at first glance seem to contradict each other. The first fact is that in sports betting there is a very large element of chance or, as they say, "luck". The second fact tells us that in addition to the random factor, there are also certain patterns by which one can predict the outcome of the game with a fairly high probability. I think that it is precisely such games that professional players use to place bets.

You have spoken my mind because most people always contradict the element behind every winning in gambling to be considered as a "luck" Forgetting that there are some other patterns people normally use that has a very good opportunity of wining there gambling without luck involves, so actually I understand that those who doesn't have any pattern of gambling tend to believe that any of there wining comes from luck.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Alphakilo on August 18, 2024, 01:10:09 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  

Sometimes I think there is some skill involved in sports betting and some other times, I just go with the group that says there's no skill involved in sports betting. It is so random some times and yet at other times, it is so predictable.

Sometimes the game you spent time studying and analyzing ends up with a win while at other times, it doesn't.

It could be that it is more about following your guts. Even though the OP didn't ask it but I'll add that I would chose sports betting over betting on casino games because in the long term, you have a higher probability of winning in sports bet than in these casino games.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Solosanz on August 18, 2024, 01:38:46 PM
The only skill in sports betting is you need to guess correctly, even you have zero sports knowledge, but you can correctly guess which team will win, people will say you're a professional sports bettor.

Unlike slots or any other luck based games, you can only click spin instead of choosing this or that.

I saw 6 goalkeeper saves from Newcastle which was the reason the game ended with just one goal,so skill is truly relevant in here but also luck like those 6 saves makes an impact here.
Betting on early season isn't recommended too because there are many thing changed and we can't draw conclusion based on past history.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: YOSHIE on August 18, 2024, 01:51:06 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine.
Such thoughts are not only felt and experienced by you, as far as I know, the average sports gambler feels this way, including myself, the team that I believed in a thousand percent actually disappointed me and conversely the team that I thought was doubtful was actually the one who won the final score with a victory.

My experience in sports betting is that there is no skill there, what should be shown here, there is none, only predictions, analysis and luck are needed there.
If you want to bet, try placing a sports bet on the team you are unsure about, make a back bet, I've done it and the final result was that I won, that's my experience, obviously I don't know whether you're lucky that way or even more unlucky, the point is that sports betting only requires luck.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Juse14 on August 18, 2024, 01:52:31 PM
It is very easy to underestimate the skill involved in sports betting, largely because many gamblers find themselves winning through sheer luck. Admittedly, having an idea about the sport and leagues can help you make better predictions. At the same time, it's not easy to be constant in winning because of the too much unmanageable wealth of factors. This goes into the part of its complexity, where luck is a significant player.

Sports are rife with unforeseeable variablesvariables, like sudden injuries or the decisions from the referees that could-be-controversial.

Skill in sports betting does require knowledge of strategy and risk management but luck is what largely determines the final result. It results in variability and volatility of betting outcomes, therefore resembling more of a gambling luck game than an outcome of pure skill.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: uneng on August 18, 2024, 01:57:12 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.
I don't think skills matter on long term gambling. The house edge is still an important and decisive factor which gamblers must take into consideration when placing their bets, as it gives the house advantage against gamblers. Moreover, there aren't safebets on sports betting. Some gamblers believe they can profit by only placing bets on matches the favorite is much stronger than the underdog, however, the gambler has to win 10 of those bets for each defeat he faces, and that is to just break even.

If you analyze critically, you will see sports betting isn't too different from traditional casino games such as dice, crash and mines. Luck and randomness are present in sports as well, especially in tournaments where teams are equally strong and strategical. If skills really mattered, the total percentage of gamblers winning on long run would be much superior in sports betting category.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on August 18, 2024, 03:08:49 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

             -     I think that from a gambling perspective, a gambler does not need to have skills here, because there are no skills that can be acquired here if we think of gambling as just entertainment and winning depends only on luck, right?

Because when you say skills, that means we need to study them and devote time and effort so that we know the things that we must know to get profit. This is not the case with gambling, according to my knowledge.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Apocollapse on August 18, 2024, 03:24:02 PM
Luck happen in everything, not just in gambling.

Even you're a doctor who have learn for many many years, but there's a chance you can make mistake. It's same to professional gambler, even they've learn about the sports for
a long time, but there are no guarantee they will win all the bets.

So if we're talking about anything, we can't deny about luck.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: GeorgeJohn on August 18, 2024, 04:10:24 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
That's while is good to make prediction without hoping on it to win, so I know quite well that in gambling the one you think will make you to win is the one that will make you to loss, I played gambling due to I want to gamble but I do heard some people saying that they have sure bet, theirs no bet that's sure bet, because I know quite well that the match you think that you will win can disappoint at any point and that's why I don't depends on gambling prediction, I gamble to accept any results that came out it, I does accept a principle that a particular prediction is sure prediction.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Ricardo11 on August 18, 2024, 04:36:12 PM
Both luck and experience are equally important when it comes to sports betting. Due to skill we can certainly select some correct subject matter, but it is extremely difficult to predict the final result at the end of the game, as it can change at any time. It mostly depends on unexpected events, so we have to be prepared for unexpected results as well.

While decisions can be made based on knowledge on the one hand, luck is also important in sports betting. Both are of equal importance here, so the biggest challenge is to strike a balance between the two.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Wiwo on August 18, 2024, 04:50:09 PM
Both luck and experience are equally important when it comes to sports betting. Due to skill we can certainly select some correct subject matter, but it is extremely difficult to predict the final result at the end of the game, as it can change at any time. It mostly depends on unexpected events, so we have to be prepared for unexpected results as well.

While decisions can be made based on knowledge on the one hand, luck is also important in sports betting. Both are of equal importance here, so the biggest challenge is to strike a balance between the two.
I gambling, luck and experience goes hand in hand and sometimes the two will have to play in your favor for you to be able to make something out from you gambling time because if you rely on one most especially if you rely on your skills of analysis it will always fail you, and even if the day is your lucky day sometime you just did not take the risk that could have facilitate such luck into existence, this is what have been the experience of many gambler.

I can still depend totally on luck rather than my skills, but I can't depend on my skills since football games are highly unpredictable, so it will only take luck to win you bet I sports games.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on August 18, 2024, 04:52:26 PM
I mean would it matter if Real Madrid's star forward (Ronaldo) was out due to injury when going in to a Classico where Messi and all of Barcelona's starters were healthy, or if Mahomes was out when the Chiefs were in the playoffs up against the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game..how about what team you're betting, they home or away..whats the spread.. and like 10 zillion more things. Knowing all the vital info, analyzing it all, processing..that takes skill. Then knowing like how a teams defensive set up versus a team who runs an offense this way, isn't as effective unless it's against this style of offense etc.  Or when to place a bet, if betting the favorite, doing so early in the week, versus game day..could be advantageous ..so heck yes.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: moneystery on August 18, 2024, 04:57:41 PM
i believe that in betting there is a skill involved in it, although it is not the main factor that can make someone win, but that skill is very useful for a bettor to be able to increase his chances of winning a match. although there are several other factors that can make a bettor win, but we cannot underestimate the skill of a bettor to maximize their chances of winning. and it is not built in one time, but it increases in line with a bettor's experience and how he can continue to learn from his mistakes.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: hedgeh0g on August 18, 2024, 05:09:50 PM
I mean would it matter if Real Madrid's star forward (Ronaldo) was out due to injury when going in to a Classico where Messi and all of Barcelona's starters were healthy, or if Mahomes was out when the Chiefs were in the playoffs up against the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game..how about what team you're betting, they home or away..whats the spread.. and like 10 zillion more things. Knowing all the vital info, analyzing it all, processing..that takes skill. Then knowing like how a teams defensive set up versus a team who runs an offense this way, isn't as effective unless it's against this style of offense etc.  Or when to place a bet, if betting the favorite, doing so early in the week, versus game day..could be advantageous ..so heck yes.
In addition, I would choose a different bookmaker each time, which has a better coefficient than others. For example, I would take about 10 and choose the ones that suit me. Of course, for this we need to spend more time, but every fraction of a tenth percent is important to us, because only those who will use every advantageous moment for a bet will win more than those who will not do this. I would also use different bonuses, but this also costs time and effort, and many players will not do this because they came here to relax.

Well, in general, of course, there are many reasons why we cannot take everything into account and if it suddenly rains, then the teams will start scoring less or more due to various unsuccessful falls or hits on the ball, such things make bets even more unpredictable.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Samlucky O on August 18, 2024, 05:43:53 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine.
That is gambling for you. That is why gambling is all about luck. Though skill is involved to minimise the risk of frequent lose over win, but it is mainly all about luck. What you have explained here is also what I usually expirence, like to win when I least expect, and lose when I hope to win.

This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
What I understand about skill in gambling is just the ability to make selection of possible wining games. Because Most people don't have that skill to predict for themselves except from other people. Meaning they are not skillful in the aspect of selecting more wining outcomes over lose.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: betswift on August 18, 2024, 05:48:57 PM
Luck happen in everything, not just in gambling.

Even you're a doctor who have learn for many many years, but there's a chance you can make mistake. It's same to professional gambler, even they've learn about the sports for
a long time, but there are no guarantee they will win all the bets.

So if we're talking about anything, we can't deny about luck.

Luck plus analysis, I would say 40 to 60 ;D


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: shield132 on August 18, 2024, 05:59:23 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
I would say that you need to have a good analytical skill because you have to analyze the past events of each team and athlete, analyze their current state and use all of these past events to make a good prediction.
Consistency is a problem because besides skill, there is luck involved. You don't know if Messi gets injured in the match or if the goalkeeper gets red card or there will be 10 against 11 in soccer because if faults, you can't predict that but I had a neighbour who was constantly winning, he was feeding his family for years with only sports betting. I don't advise anyone to follow his path but it's possible and besides skills, you need luck because there are events that are out of control for you. When the players goes on the pitch, no analytical skill can help you to predict what he is going to do. Some players might not be in the mood to play and etc...


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on August 18, 2024, 06:02:56 PM
I mean would it matter if Real Madrid's star forward (Ronaldo) was out due to injury when going in to a Classico where Messi and all of Barcelona's starters were healthy, or if Mahomes was out when the Chiefs were in the playoffs up against the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game..how about what team you're betting, they home or away..whats the spread.. and like 10 zillion more things. Knowing all the vital info, analyzing it all, processing..that takes skill. Then knowing like how a teams defensive set up versus a team who runs an offense this way, isn't as effective unless it's against this style of offense etc.  Or when to place a bet, if betting the favorite, doing so early in the week, versus game day..could be advantageous ..so heck yes.
In addition, I would choose a different bookmaker each time, which has a better coefficient than others. For example, I would take about 10 and choose the ones that suit me. Of course, for this we need to spend more time, but every fraction of a tenth percent is important to us, because only those who will use every advantageous moment for a bet will win more than those who will not do this. I would also use different bonuses, but this also costs time and effort, and many players will not do this because they came here to relax.

Well, in general, of course, there are many reasons why we cannot take everything into account and if it suddenly rains, then the teams will start scoring less or more due to various unsuccessful falls or hits on the ball, such things make bets even more unpredictable.

Yeah that's a great point.  I wonder, and maybe you know the answer here..is there any one stop shop websites that can help you determine which bookmaker is best for which bet as you mention?  (if not lets create one and make  tons of money lol).

The bonus stuff etc..good points.

As for rain..I mean checking the forecast is def important ..and if you're placing a bet right b4 game time, you could probably get damn near 100% accuracy that it won't rain (no cloud coverage in sight, can pretty well dial in that it absolutely won't for 2-3 hours, or whatever)..but then you could get a 50/50 day and then it's just a lot of guesswork.. probably a way over thinking type thing too.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: betswift on August 18, 2024, 06:03:49 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
I would say that you need to have a good analytical skill because you have to analyze the past events of each team and athlete, analyze their current state and use all of these past events to make a good prediction.
Consistency is a problem because besides skill, there is luck involved. You don't know if Messi gets injured in the match or if the goalkeeper gets red card or there will be 10 against 11 in soccer because if faults, you can't predict that but I had a neighbour who was constantly winning, he was feeding his family for years with only sports betting. I don't advise anyone to follow his path but it's possible and besides skills, you need luck because there are events that are out of control for you. When the players goes on the pitch, no analytical skill can help you to predict what he is going to do. Some players might not be in the mood to play and etc...

It's about thinking and analyzing to choose the path where the odds are more on your favor, but they are usually not 99%, not at all ;D


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: darkangel11 on August 18, 2024, 06:20:07 PM
Both luck and experience are equally important when it comes to sports betting. Due to skill we can certainly select some correct subject matter, but it is extremely difficult to predict the final result at the end of the game, as it can change at any time. It mostly depends on unexpected events, so we have to be prepared for unexpected results as well.

While decisions can be made based on knowledge on the one hand, luck is also important in sports betting. Both are of equal importance here, so the biggest challenge is to strike a balance between the two.

You said luck and experience, but no skill. Experience does not equal skill. You can be skillful from the start, or experienced with little skill. Just look at some contractors. They've been doing it for years and know the trade, but they're slow and inefficient which means they lack skill.
The way I see it, skill has nothing to do with sports betting. Knowing and understanding both the sport you bet on and the odds will help a lot, but real skill matters in other professions. Someone who cheats at cards or knows how to count cards can be skillful. You can be skillful at shuffling a deck, but you can't be skillful at placing a bet online.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: betswift on August 18, 2024, 06:36:16 PM
Both luck and experience are equally important when it comes to sports betting. Due to skill we can certainly select some correct subject matter, but it is extremely difficult to predict the final result at the end of the game, as it can change at any time. It mostly depends on unexpected events, so we have to be prepared for unexpected results as well.

While decisions can be made based on knowledge on the one hand, luck is also important in sports betting. Both are of equal importance here, so the biggest challenge is to strike a balance between the two.

You said luck and experience, but no skill. Experience does not equal skill. You can be skillful from the start, or experienced with little skill. Just look at some contractors. They've been doing it for years and know the trade, but they're slow and inefficient which means they lack skill.
The way I see it, skill has nothing to do with sports betting. Knowing and understanding both the sport you bet on and the odds will help a lot, but real skill matters in other professions. Someone who cheats at cards or knows how to count cards can be skillful. You can be skillful at shuffling a deck, but you can't be skillful at placing a bet online.

Can you be skillful in analyzing players and other factors, though? ;D I think a person can.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: GxSTxV on August 18, 2024, 07:14:56 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Sports betting is a bit different than other gambling games, it is different than Poker and different than slots or Live Casino shows, and it is so popular among football fans as we always see much sponsorships on players shirts. Regarding your confusion about skills in betting, so I must say that personally, I think sports betting is a combination between luck and skills when you are experienced in football. For example, people who knows Real Madrid as a strong team, if you just started betting in last Laliga games of this team and their entire matches, you will end up making good profits from them. However, if you chose another weak team, knowing that their players not sufficient to win against other teams, and started betting for them, you will end up losing money.

Football is a game of skills, talents and experience and that’s the reason why betting on these games also a part of it. As long as you chose the strongest team you will have more chances to win even with lower odds.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Dewi Aries on August 18, 2024, 07:23:19 PM
i believe that in betting there is a skill involved in it, although it is not the main factor that can make someone win, but that skill is very useful for a bettor to be able to increase his chances of winning a match. although there are several other factors that can make a bettor win, but we cannot underestimate the skill of a bettor to maximize their chances of winning. and it is not built in one time, but it increases in line with a bettor's experience and how he can continue to learn from his mistakes.

Yes, skills can indeed be involved in betting activities but not for all types of games but for some games that do have a track record that can be used as a benchmark for analysis in order to get a possible choice to get closer to victory, meaning yes as you said friend that skills are indeed useful but their nature is only to help a gambler to increase the chances of winning and not to ensure that we will win at the end of the game.

This means don't assume that by having good skills you will always be able to win, we must immediately return to the initial understanding where the concept of gambling is about winning and losing, meaning that there will always be certain times for us to experience defeat, and I have experienced several defeats in sports betting where the team that was far superior turned out to lose to the weaker team which was because something unexpected happened on the field so that my prediction was wrong and lost. So even though we feel we have good skills, risk management is still something that must always be applied, such as gambling by only betting a minimum amount.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: DaNNy001 on August 18, 2024, 08:54:01 PM
There is some degree of skill involved in sports betting. Mind you being skillful at something doesn't mean that there won't be any losses. It doesn't mean that things would work out perfectly well. No. It is the same way too in sports betting. In your case this may rather not be a skill problem but a strategy problem. Because you didn't give us enough details or context, I cannot say which is which.

Being skillful can minimize your losses, like you said it won't give you an hundred percent edge over the market but you will have more good days, although a little bit of luck is also needed... skillfulness in gambling has to do with experience, I think your skills can actually work in sports betting, there can't be anyone that's skillful in casino games, understanding sports betting, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of different clubs can give you a lot of advantage


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: rahmad2nd on August 18, 2024, 09:01:54 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

From my point of view, there is no certainty to guess the outcome of a sports match. although we always involve many variables in terms of analysis, but every result of a match/fight is not guaranteed. remember, if there is someone who is able to predict every bet with a guaranteed level of accuracy, then never believe it. because in sports, whatever the type, no one can ensure the results as accurately as possible and it is even impossible to achieve consistency. I have a slightly different point of view from most people, or a difference in vocabulary alone. for me personally, sports betting is more about the understanding we have. so, I don't call it skill. understanding and knowledge support us to choose a bet, but remember that it does not guarantee that we can win absolutely. this is just part of our way to minimize the risk of defeat, with the provision of knowledge, understanding, and everything related to the type of sport we like, giving us a more rational choice in terms of betting. besides, in sports betting, especially football, you don't always have to bet on the team. there are many alternatives provided by bookies, you can choose them according to the results of your research and analysis. but if the story is that you always lose in sports betting, try to correct it. maybe, you always follow your heart's desire because you choose a team that has emotions with you. or, you are not careful, it could also be that your betting options are not varied. well, there are many possibilities. well for me personally, in sports betting the luck factor is another thing apart from the prediction results.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: stadus on August 18, 2024, 09:05:14 PM
Being skillful can minimize your losses, like you said it won't give you an hundred percent edge over the market but you will have more good days, although a little bit of luck is also needed... skillfulness in gambling has to do with experience, I think your skills can actually work in sports betting, there can't be anyone that's skillful in casino games, understanding sports betting, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of different clubs can give you a lot of advantage
For me, that's not true because having skills means you can find a way to be profitable - not necessarily to beat the bookies, but to stay ahead of other sports bettors. Skills in sports handicapping can give you a good winning percentage, which helps in achieving consistency. It’s not an overnight success so we can say that experience plays a significant role in developing your skills. No sports bettor starts out skillful as it requires continuous analysis of data, reflecting on your experiences, and making adjustments to achieve a winning strateg that could give you a long term success.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Rabata on August 18, 2024, 09:38:33 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Skill in sports betting can help a gambler to win in gambling but it is not guaranteed. As a gambler I feel that those who rely on both skill and luck have a higher winning margin. Because it is difficult to determine which teams are good and which teams are bad in franchise leagues these days, there does not seem to be any role in skill. If there is a big difference between teams in sports betting, skill can come in handy, but luck should naturally be prioritized over skill to win in gambling. Even after I do good analysis on sports betting couldn't secure a win in many bets because my luck didn't favor me there. I think it will be almost the same for everyone. Both luck and skill should be given equal importance.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: passwordnow on August 18, 2024, 09:50:24 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
It's not entirely game of luck but if you want to gamble and rely on your luck, it's okay and you're free to do that. Someone can bet in any sports that they like and have no idea at all and still able to cast those bets but don't expect that you have more chance of winning there if you have zero idea of what's going to happen.

But if you want to increase the chance of winning, it is a skill to know how the matches are going to be. How the players and teams involved are doing right now and before the game happens. Researching and analysis is a skill so, if you want to rely on luck, that's fine but if you want to increase your chance of winning, then all you have to do is to gather information and analyze them for your own sake so that your bet has a higher chance of winning.

And if you think that you're just a simple man that's having that pure luck, no one will stop you in casting random bets on sports that you know or don't know.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Rockstarguy on August 18, 2024, 10:24:41 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck.
That is gambling for you!!
You can't really predict what will be the outcome of a game that is why you don't need to have much expectations of winning a game. Gambling is unpredicted that people must learn to play with ease and no expecting a win from it all the time.
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I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Having the knowledge of teams performance in a league is a good tool to make predictions or stake games but even with this it is not a guarantee that the game will end up as win. Winning gambling is by luck that is why it is not even necessary for one to try so much to win by all means, since this is a game to win by luck it is the more reason why people need to play with the amount that they can afford to lose.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Odusko on August 18, 2024, 11:00:54 PM
There is some degree of skill involved in sports betting. Mind you being skillful at something doesn't mean that there won't be any losses. It doesn't mean that things would work out perfectly well. No. It is the same way too in sports betting. In your case this may rather not be a skill problem but a strategy problem. Because you didn't give us enough details or context, I cannot say which is which.
There is always a high chances of winning the bet for someone that have skills of football analysis than those that doesn't have such skills to analyse the team or the players, so yes skills plays a significant role to what make a bettor to win the bet, and that is why most gamblers prefers to bet on football games much more than any other in House games on the casinos, this is because with they knowledge in the games their can easily Make a predictions based on they understanding of the both team involved, so this skills increase their chances at all time.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: LDL on August 18, 2024, 11:06:49 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Skill and experience are essential in any field, especially in trading and gambling, both experience and skill are needed together. If more is added to experience and skill then luck must be added because in some cases luck is definitely useful even if the above two are not useful. But an inexperienced person will never be able to get profit in gambling especially if he has no prior experience in gambling then he will not be able to adopt a proper plan in taking gambling bets. So skill, experience and good luck definitely make it easier for a gambler to get profit.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: HelliumZ on August 18, 2024, 11:28:47 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
I don't think skill and experience in gambling matters at the moment especially no matter how skilled or previous experience you are in dice or slots skill or previous experience does not matter. I have quite a lot of skill and previous experience in gambling but so far I have not been able to get good results in gambling especially if I draw the equation of the number of times I have lost and the number of times I have won then I would definitely say that I have lost more times.  None of my previous experience or skills came in handy in this case but rather my bad luck in gambling due to which I lost more times.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: TelolettOm on August 18, 2024, 11:39:34 PM
I read on several sites that in essence, in betting, there are 2 things that influence each other, namely:
Skill and Luck

So, we must have good skills as well as luck.
We can learn, hone, and develop skills, but for luck, we can only hope.

I got a pretty easy illustration, it should be like this if you just look at luck and skill.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/19/7kkvf.png
Source: Luck vs. Skill  - Predicting Sports (https://rpubs.com/Ascroggins391/842564)

In theory it should be like this, but in reality, sometimes and often, skill + luck are the deciding factors.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: retreat on August 19, 2024, 02:41:04 AM
There must be skill involved in sports betting because it is not possible for someone to just rely on their luck to win a bet, they have to rely on their skills that they have trained to be able to win the bet. However, the skills of the bettors will vary depending on how they train their skills, some are quite skilled but some are just ordinary, so that makes the chances of winning each bettor can be different.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: betswift on August 19, 2024, 06:16:05 AM
I read on several sites that in essence, in betting, there are 2 things that influence each other, namely:
Skill and Luck

So, we must have good skills as well as luck.
We can learn, hone, and develop skills, but for luck, we can only hope.

I got a pretty easy illustration, it should be like this if you just look at luck and skill.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/19/7kkvf.png
Source: Luck vs. Skill  - Predicting Sports (https://rpubs.com/Ascroggins391/842564)

In theory it should be like this, but in reality, sometimes and often, skill + luck are the deciding factors.

That's a good illustration! I do agree, most of the times, it's a combination of both, rather than one of them pushing the other out ;D


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: bering on August 19, 2024, 07:37:08 AM
As everyone already knows that whatever games people are playing in gambling then luck will always be the main factor if want to gets good results from their bets but in sport betting we can't always be rely on our luck just like placing your money to the random teams because i am sure eventually people will lost their money because this method is risky so that's why skill to predict the outcomes of the matches is necessary

I think every sports fans can predict the matches with very well because as a fans people will always be following news updates and team condition of their favourite teams and automatically people can predict almost every matches with very well but indeed in gambling there was no consistent winning because eventually combine skill and luck is really required


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Oluwa-btc on August 19, 2024, 07:46:03 AM
There is some degree of skill involved in sports betting. Mind you being skillful at something doesn't mean that there won't be any losses. It doesn't mean that things would work out perfectly well. No. It is the same way too in sports betting. In your case this may rather not be a skill problem but a strategy problem. Because you didn't give us enough details or context, I cannot say which is which.


Talking about skills,I know for sure one can be good at a particular thing and be great in doing that but does it mean being skilled enough is also applicable to gambling because on a second thought you can be best in playing games but at the same time you'll definitely loose on some occasion so one can be guru in gambling also but regardless they'll also generate losses.

Watched a movie where a gambler who's known for his skillful act of winning was defeated by a commoner so this things happen,you can be skillful and at Same time win and loose.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on August 19, 2024, 08:58:10 AM
Of course, you will be more successful if you know as much as possible about the sport and teams. If we talk about a person who accidentally made a bet that turned out to be correct, then of course, in this case, there is luck. The person who consistently follows each match of the team knows a lot about the state of preparation of athletes and assumes who and in which games will play will be more successful than a beginner. But of course, in sports there is always a surprise; if we could know all the results of the games in advance, then the sport itself would be uninteresting. Competition always creates excitement, and only this attracts many fans.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Baofeng on August 19, 2024, 09:23:11 AM
There is still some element of luck, you might have choosen the best team based on odds and you really know that this team is good, however, there are instance that the game might be close and who knows, maybe the underdog team will win because they are lucky that they made the last goal or basket.

And with that, it's not only skills in sports betting, there are a lot of unknown and as the saying goes,

"It's better to be lucky than good", and so that sums it up.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 19, 2024, 09:38:39 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

For me, that is what it is; you must know those events, like the best-performing team, player, coach, goalkeeper, and also take note of home advantage, etc. But despite having good skills or knowledge about all that, that doesn't mean you will make accurate predictions all the time. Sports betting requires skill and luck; if you think that it only requires good skill, the day you might predict team A to win team B could be the day team B will not accept defeat from team A, and it could result in a draw game. After making a good prediction, it actually requires luck for the team to play accordingly. 


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Mr.right85 on August 19, 2024, 10:07:01 AM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck.
Say that of Casino gambling, I would agree that there seem to be no skill at all, except for games like Poker. When it comes to the bookies, you get the chance to apply your knowledge of the game and team to have the higher edge on the house.
A little greed is what makes people loss in Sports betting. Usually, the odds is another means to guide although, it’s got zero assurances but, most times, lower odds tends to play out. Like over the weekend, the game between Chelsea and Manchester City had certain predictions that would come with little doubt and that was,

In the 1x2 market, it was a 2 or X2 for City. We all know how difficult the Chelsea team have played over the last season and with a new management on board, players need to adjust to a new playing style. All that would take sometime to take effect then, here they were, playing against one of the very best in England.

Those are the skills you need to use in making this predictions.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: traderethereum on August 19, 2024, 11:25:15 AM
We must have knowledge for the sports before we want to place our bet. If you are not sure with the match, you don't have to place a bet and waits for the next match that you know.
You can not be sure with the match because the match can change any time so what we analyzes can change too. When you want to place a bet, you must analyze and not just predicted the match.
A sports betting needs luck besides of skills so no matters you have a good skills in analyzing, you still needs luck to win. So that is why you must search for the match you know so you can use your skills to analyze that match.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Dewi Aries on August 19, 2024, 12:32:52 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

For me, that is what it is; you must know those events, like the best-performing team, player, coach, goalkeeper, and also take note of home advantage, etc. But despite having good skills or knowledge about all that, that doesn't mean you will make accurate predictions all the time. Sports betting requires skill and luck; if you think that it only requires good skill, the day you might predict team A to win team B could be the day team B will not accept defeat from team A, and it could result in a draw game. After making a good prediction, it actually requires luck for the team to play accordingly. 

Everything you said is true, and this is why setting limits on the amount wagered and limiting expectations is something that a gambler needs to implement regardless of where they bet.
Honestly, I have also experienced something unexpected, or I mean a few weeks ago I bet on a football match where before I made a decision I first did an analysis of the two teams that would compete to make sure which one was much better to be chosen.

And I found that team A was far superior to the statistics at that time, they had the performance and depth of players and also with much better tactics, but it turned out that in the end they unexpectedly made a mistake on the field where one of the players was given a red card until finally the match continued unbalanced, in the sense that the ball possession of the wrong team was lost by the opposing team due to a lack of players until finally they lost.
Many people, especially fans and people who bet on that team regretted the incident and of course, inevitably, defeat had to be accepted, meaning there was no luck there.

So that's why I said that limits should always be applied even if you have good skills in analyzing, but of course as you said that doesn't mean we will always be able to win, meaning that victory can only be achieved when a combination of skill and luck occurs.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: hedgeh0g on August 19, 2024, 02:39:13 PM
I mean would it matter if Real Madrid's star forward (Ronaldo) was out due to injury when going in to a Classico where Messi and all of Barcelona's starters were healthy, or if Mahomes was out when the Chiefs were in the playoffs up against the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game..how about what team you're betting, they home or away..whats the spread.. and like 10 zillion more things. Knowing all the vital info, analyzing it all, processing..that takes skill. Then knowing like how a teams defensive set up versus a team who runs an offense this way, isn't as effective unless it's against this style of offense etc.  Or when to place a bet, if betting the favorite, doing so early in the week, versus game day..could be advantageous ..so heck yes.
In addition, I would choose a different bookmaker each time, which has a better coefficient than others. For example, I would take about 10 and choose the ones that suit me. Of course, for this we need to spend more time, but every fraction of a tenth percent is important to us, because only those who will use every advantageous moment for a bet will win more than those who will not do this. I would also use different bonuses, but this also costs time and effort, and many players will not do this because they came here to relax.

Well, in general, of course, there are many reasons why we cannot take everything into account and if it suddenly rains, then the teams will start scoring less or more due to various unsuccessful falls or hits on the ball, such things make bets even more unpredictable.

Yeah that's a great point.  I wonder, and maybe you know the answer here..is there any one stop shop websites that can help you determine which bookmaker is best for which bet as you mention?  (if not lets create one and make  tons of money lol).

The bonus stuff etc..good points.

As for rain..I mean checking the forecast is def important ..and if you're placing a bet right b4 game time, you could probably get damn near 100% accuracy that it won't rain (no cloud coverage in sight, can pretty well dial in that it absolutely won't for 2-3 hours, or whatever)..but then you could get a 50/50 day and then it's just a lot of guesswork.. probably a way over thinking type thing too.
I don't consider myself a super professional in betting, but such sites definitely exist and you and I won't be able to earn millions of dollars on this brilliant idea, lol) In general, I definitely saw such an aggregator on a famous eSports site for CS2, but I won't name it and will cut off their names in half so as not to give them free advertising. But of course, this is very convenient for players who want to place a bet. There are also mentions of bonuses with the names of bookmaker sites.

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Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: gabbie2010 on August 19, 2024, 03:01:06 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .
Of course you need to do some research with regards to the particular sport betting for instance in soccer betting knowing details of strong clubs and weaker ones who help in the long run to win betting in EPL it's obvious when you bet Man City to win against a weak team definitely it a sure bet, however the odd would be small compared to other matches, however, to get some reasonable odd you are expected to  add two or three more sure games from other leagues these are some skills required to have an edge over the bookies, though losses are inevitable, however there are options like over 1.5, 2.0 etc goals and both team to score which are also good option but require some research to pick high scoring clubs.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 21, 2024, 01:44:12 PM
So that's why I said that limits should always be applied even if you have good skills in analyzing, but of course as you said that doesn't mean we will always be able to win, meaning that victory can only be achieved when a combination of skill and luck occurs.

Absolutely, I believe that success in soccer doesn't only comes by being so skilled and knowledgeable about every soccer event, it's very necessary to have the skill and knowledge about the soccer but with luck, success can never be archived all the time. It only requires the combination of luck and skill for a gambler to be able to make a repeated success in his bet.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Su-asa on August 21, 2024, 02:36:57 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Gambling is all about luck especially when it comes to casino games, they have no pattern or strategies that can work, losses can only be minimized by strictly following the rule of risk management. In the aspect of sports betting I can say that there are skills involved that actually has some profitable results but relying on this skills everytime will definitely break your heart. Always know that inspite of how well your predictions or analysis are
Anything can still happen because it's sports.But knowing your way around the market can give you an advantage and help you minimize losses


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: hahay on August 21, 2024, 02:59:15 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Your question at least makes me ask too, is there really any skill in casino gambling? Because after all, the reality is that you will also never easily win in casino gambling and in fact, some of them also say the house always wins? If so, then skill is not an important factor in gambling, because basically whatever type of gambling you play in reality only requires luck to win and not skill.

Therefore, I personally think it makes no difference whether you gamble in casinos and or gamble on sports because after all, skill only makes it easy for you to make choices. But to win, it basically still requires luck, right.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: hyudien on August 21, 2024, 03:44:23 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Your question at least makes me ask too, is there really any skill in casino gambling? Because after all, the reality is that you will also never easily win in casino gambling and in fact, some of them also say the house always wins? If so, then skill is not an important factor in gambling, because basically whatever type of gambling you play in reality only requires luck to win and not skill.

Therefore, I personally think it makes no difference whether you gamble in casinos and or gamble on sports because after all, skill only makes it easy for you to make choices. But to win, it basically still requires luck, right.
I would say that gambling is based on luck, which means that even if we analyze and predict a match, if we are not lucky we will not win. In games like slots and others, I think it depends entirely on luck. But in sports betting, at least we can make an analysis of which team will compete. For example, in a football match in the English Premier League, we can see the line-up of players, their solidity and their teamwork. For example, in the Manchester City match vs. a team that has just been promoted to the English Premier League, Ipswich Town for example. Would our minds bet on Ipswich Town? of course not, right? because we see Manchester City as a team with the status of defending champion and they also have good team strength. While we have not been able to fully assess Ipswich Town's performance in the English Premier League. However, luck will work too. That might be a little picture that I can give.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on August 21, 2024, 04:12:05 PM
gambling is very dependent on luck, especially with some games that only have to click and wait for what happens with the spins that are done like slots, of course this one game is very dependent on luck, many people have strategies in slot gambling with the belief that it is a strategy that can make them win because it is obtained from many sources such as streamers who share their strategies but I think it doesn't have a big effect on the portion of victory that depends on luck.

with sports betting, I think in this one game, skills are needed because with good skills and sufficient knowledge, it is possible to make us win even though the end result still leads to luck, but at least there is a clear strategy that is mastered, unfortunately in sports betting, it is not certain that you can win even though you use the strategy you have based on the skills and knowledge you have.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Fortify on August 21, 2024, 06:52:42 PM
There is this doubt that have suddenly filled my mind regarding my skills in sports betting.  Most times the games I am sure of end up not working as predicted whereas the ones I play with doubt and fear work out fine. This makes me begin to wonder if there is actually skill in sports betting or it is entirely a game of luck. I understand that knowing events across different sports and leagues can help in the selection, this is what many people interpret as skill, but sometimes despite this knowledge, consistency is still a problem. .

Let's face it, bookmakers are crunching huge amounts of data and evaluating likely odds for every single game that they offer a bet on. They are very good at getting the odds correct on average, however they will occasionally slip up and misprice something. There's also unexpected outcomes and performances by teams or players that will cost them money. Bookmakers are smart enough to know that they don't need to win every single bet, if they even win 60-70% of the bets that they trade with players then they can rake in hundreds of millions a year if they have a big enough audience. As a person betting against them, even if you are winning 51% of the time, with the margins that they include in every bet they are probably still profiting off you.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: Ultegra134 on August 21, 2024, 08:42:43 PM
Your question at least makes me ask too, is there really any skill in casino gambling? Because after all, the reality is that you will also never easily win in casino gambling and in fact, some of them also say the house always wins? If so, then skill is not an important factor in gambling, because basically whatever type of gambling you play in reality only requires luck to win and not skill.

Therefore, I personally think it makes no difference whether you gamble in casinos and or gamble on sports because after all, skill only makes it easy for you to make choices. But to win, it basically still requires luck, right.
I believe we're overanalyzing things, and that's not the average gambler's job. Apart from some managerial skills when it comes to budgeting and being in control of your actions, I don't believe gambling requires any solid skills. Sports betting is a little more complicated than the usual casino games, but it's common sense to not place a bet on the team that has proven to not have the best performance in their past few games.

Some people go well beyond and analyze the players, their personal lives, and other incidents that might affect their performance. I don't want to overcomplicate things; I'd just go with what team has historically been better and has had a decent performance in their past few matches.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: adultcrypto on August 21, 2024, 11:58:33 PM
This is an interesting question and this question will be asked, in my opinion, many more times. There are two facts that at first glance seem to contradict each other. The first fact is that in sports betting there is a very large element of chance or, as they say, "luck". The second fact tells us that in addition to the random factor, there are also certain patterns by which one can predict the outcome of the game with a fairly high probability. I think that it is precisely such games that professional players use to place bets.
I think you have given the most logical answer to the question instead of many people who believe it is outright luck. There could still be a space for skills in gambling as I have personally seen and tested even though at some point, it became confusing. Just like you mentioned, there are still professionals in gambling and without skills, there is no way to qualify someone as a professional. I have seen some people with outstanding prediction skills just that it sometimes become very difficult to follow them.


Title: Re: Is there really skill in sports betting?
Post by: carlfebz2 on September 04, 2024, 08:51:17 PM
This is an interesting question and this question will be asked, in my opinion, many more times. There are two facts that at first glance seem to contradict each other. The first fact is that in sports betting there is a very large element of chance or, as they say, "luck". The second fact tells us that in addition to the random factor, there are also certain patterns by which one can predict the outcome of the game with a fairly high probability. I think that it is precisely such games that professional players use to place bets.
I think you have given the most logical answer to the question instead of many people who believe it is outright luck. There could still be a space for skills in gambling as I have personally seen and tested even though at some point, it became confusing. Just like you mentioned, there are still professionals in gambling and without skills, there is no way to qualify someone as a professional. I have seen some people with outstanding prediction skills just that it sometimes become very difficult to follow them.
Doing some research is already a type of skill on which it depends on how well you would really be trying out to accumulate information in between teams or players or on the sports that you are really that betting on. We do know that this is really that truly different when it comes into this aspect if we do tend to make up some comparison into those pure luck games on which we do know that there's no way that you could apply any analysis into it. You would be able to find it for yourself on what are the things that you would really be gonna needing on the moment that you do make out some sports betting on which this isnt something that only pertains about picking up randomly without applying any analysis into it. This is where skills would be that shown or would really be applied. It is really just that people cant consider
it out with those simple or common steps that they are making.