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I'm not really sure about this but we could be at this 'spot' when it's time to start accumulating alts again.  But not just any alt.  I think we could have better chances of more upside if we hold the newer ones that were released recently.  None of those old ones like UNI, AAVE, LTC or XRP which already had their time of trending up huge during past bull markets.  We want the newer ones that are -80% down or more their recent all time highs.  Those ones that were released after 2021.  I won't give any suggestions of which those are as it would look like I'm shilling. 

I think we'll be seeing a lot of the newer alts make huge moves up next year.  And rather than scalping them for a measly 10% gain, just hold them and make a lot more money.

Stay safe out there guys.

Interesting angle, but that's pretty vague if you refuse to say which ones. Can you pm me, because i would definitely like to look some new ones. There are countless of tokens and coins released after 2021 and i am sure that you aren't referring to ALL that are down -80%? And are there other factors that you are looking for? Marketcap size, exchanges or liquidity? Team?

And it's not like it matters, but do you have any old charts from previous bull you are using as a basis? Or is this just a feeling coming from experience?

Yeah I think the same here.  Just commented on another post about this very subject.  I think we have a couple more months left and then on the turn of the new year I think we are going to see our next prolonged bull run.  I'm using now until the end of the year to stock up and then letting it ride.

finds the alts that can recover really fast whenever BTC dumps, such as ZRO, TON, and SOL.

By no means i'm shilling for these coin as well but just seeing their price action whenever BTC dumps and they easily recover back to their original price just meant that the coin is really good for investment and potentially could breakthrough new highs.
the lame coin such as ADA, DOT and so on aren't really good investment anymore, they're past their prime as you said and nobody want to pump them with their big market cap.

I think the same. but we can see more crashes soon. after deducting the interest rates, people tend to buy risky assets. in my opinion , ZRO and TIA are best investments

Not that I wanna shill or anything (I do lolol), but I already said in a couple of threads that I'm going for the Monad airdrop.  So for that I've staked PYTH and W.  I think optics wise they've bottomed out and looking at their unlock schedule, they have their next ones due to be still on mid 2025.  So that's still a long way off and I'll be gone before that and rotate somewhere else.  ;D

So yeah, that's it for now but I also have some memecoins in Hyperliquid and Solana.

I feel like we are going to see a bigger increase after the rates lower, because people do not like low rates so they would like to see the prices going up, and because of that I honestly believe that we are going to see something changing.

One thing is for sure, there are way too many people who will not be happy with what we normally have because we have been waiting for a long time for a big increase which means that we are going to see too many people having a good reason to actually believe this to be something that will go up super high, if we waited this long then it must actually be worth it, otherwise it doesn't matter and people will not be happy with what we have.

If it goes to like 80k and crashes to a bear run again then we are not going to end up with a good result, because that's not enough at all, we need to go at least to 100k+ and similar type of increases in the altcoins as well, to make sure that we actually did something that worths it. This is why I believe that we are going to see these type of changes because everyone wants them, and because everyone wants to see it, they all buy into it and that results will price going up. Soon (late 2024, early 2025) we will see that.

Honestly, altcoins are not really doing well these days. Looks like most people are into memecoins than altcoins with utilities. Although, the rise of these altcoins can call people's attention back. But not everyone. Let's wait till next year and see.

meme coin market is too saturated with low quality project, that's why it might seem that altcoin market is quite underperforming compared to meme, but if you observe its all the same, meme coin is weakening too.
but certain niche of altcoin still quite good for investment like AI for example.

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this past few weeks alone this niche is the strongest altcoin niche, scoring some good price surge. nowadays the trend always focused on certain niche and so does the pump.

I tend to agree.  Been through many bull amd bear markets amd this feels very pumpy right now.  Seems like a consolidation at this point amd people are stocking up on coins amd tokens.  Could be wrong but I think come nov/Dec we start to see some positive movement upwards amd then spring of 2025 we have a full bore bull run with more of the "normal" population starting to get involved.  No clue where this one goes but I think it's going to be the biggest volume in crypto we've seen in it's 15 year history.  Just my 2 cents.

^  But the way things are looking right now, let's see if I have spoken to soon.  ;D  I feel like the market is prime for a other leg down to a total down trend.  Meh...  But yeah, looks like I need to start looking for stimmies again.  And that means airdrop hunting.  :D 

People have been sharing their scores in Base.  That's prolly the next decent one with Monad and Hyperliquid imho.  The other projects are mostly farming the farmers. 

We are right in the pre-bull market moment, if anyone is investing right now then definitely successful. But without investment any person will fail because when the bull market season is over he will be disappointed. So you can invest in this deep market in present time to have time, the longer the investment is, the more your benefit will be.  Because Bitcoin will reach its peak very quickly, the next coin will hit its peak at that time.

My personal opinion is that it is likely we are going further down now into 2025 and might not see a "proper bull" market until the end of 2025 or even 2026.

This historically means that ALTs will drop even further than the benchmark BTC. However, there will always be a select few that pops off with very high returns even during a bear market. (this is too volatile imo)

If you invest in ALTs at any time, do not be too greedy to take profits during swings. And unless you invest i air castles, dont panic if they go down and HODL.

I think many altcoins are at their bottom or almost there and it is high time to accumulate some coins. Some of the older coins might have some potential to perform well in the upcoming alt season, but I am more focused on new coins. I agree with your thinking that it is more profitable to invest in newly launched (after the 2021 alt season) coins than flagging a dead horse. I purchased a few coins approximately a month ago when the market dipped and have shortlisted a few more potential coins in case we see another dip in the coming days.

I do think otherwise, seeing green all over in October or so, but only time will tell what will be right in the end ;D Many factors are in place, too many, in fact.

I feel like there is no good logic behind putting all your eggs in a basket, and that is why if you want to buy some new ones then it is your call and if you want to then you can do that. But, we should be considering the factual situation where it is not going to be possible for that to mean something, it shouldn't be that much of a big deal at all.

We are going to end up with something that will take a while, but that doesn't mean that we are going to see something changing closely. Just keep up with old coins too, they are not much down but they are good and old and been here before and they can go up, so there is a good reason to accumulate more of them. It's the right choice and we could make that work somehow.

That is true, if you trust any coins then it is great time to accumulate as much as possible, which is what people are not doing at the moment and it upsets me and I feel so sad because the yare going to regret it. Look at all the people who are still selling, I have seen people with millions that sold their coins and got out, people who are that rich shouldn't really be weak hands considering how much they have, but they still do end up like that, and don't get me started on the retail investors, that's a whole another different subject which causes a lot of trouble without a doubt.

I think the best way to move forward would be just making sure that we are dealing with something that takes time, it's not going to end up with much issues if we just trust it.

current market circumstances i'd be panicking only if i hold VC coins in the brink of massive unlock like TIA, as long as it's not VC coin that are about to get unlocked, i won't bother even if it dumps i'll just let it recover because most of such coin that at least are in the top 50 will recover.
however if it's whatever coin that's VC related, i'd just take the smallest profit there is and temporarily refrain from investing in them, we're in that stage where so many coins are about to unlock VC bag so they can dump it, reinvesting when this phase already passing would be better idea.

but I can see if somehow 2025 bullrun truly comes in it will be explosive for most of alts though, so many of them undervalued right now.

it is time for market renovation and altcoin that is not as useful back when they are new must be eliminated at least from the top tier so yeah I also believe in this speculation , we must remember that there are lots of coins in the lower rank or those newly created that has a better service to provide than just what those old coins can give .
so expect new movement in the coming days .

^  Yeah...  As said, the rotation could go back to the newer tokens that really have something to do with making stuff in crypto rather than encouraging the gambling aspect of it...  But then again when the price of the tokens behind the projects that are actually making something are too high, as how it usually goes, the rotation goes back to memes.  That particular rotation actually marks the end of the uptrend for the rest of the market as all volume gets sucked into memes.  :D  Remember PEPE and DOGE's huge runs?

Utility beats hype in the long run, but many people choose the risks instead of something with some use-cases to it ;D It's natural, really.

Even though BTC is not totally dumped right now, alts are still more fragile than it, so I'm going to agree with what you have said there first. You said it is high time to accumulate coins but I think "high" is a wrong word to use, or a typing mistake. The proper word choice BTW is "good". If we believed that alts are now on their bottom, we must buy at full force and not just buy some but we can buy some for a while if believe that they are now close at their bottom point and we can just use the rest of our funds by the time we get there.

Even though in the crypto market, there are now lots of crap coins and new coins, I still think that the number of good coins and old coins are big right now because cryptos have existed for over 1 decade already. I won't also say that their potential is only "some" because that can sound like a few only but old and good coins have a huge potential with or without the alt season. Alt season is only like a boost on them but it will all boil down to the potential of the crypto like if what they are offering (their technology), or is the team behind them has a solid background and they are dedicated to push their projects potential over their limits, etc...

I agree. It all boils down to whether you believe that the bottom is there already or not..;D
And how we will use it to our advantage. The potential is there, with all the risks attached.

How long do you think we need to wait for it?

Yeah I agree. We know that bitcoin will survive, we know that crypto as a concept will survive, so all that is left is to trust some of the coins and trust that will survive too. ETH for example is not that complicated many trust that, so if you can accumulate more ETH, then what else can you pick? Find those coins or tokens that you trust, something you believe will be still around after 10 years, think of that and accumulate more of those.

Personally I am not seeing much options in altcoin space. This guides me to go more aggressive on accumulating bitcoins when I plan for long term holding. There is a saying in altcoin space like no altcoin is for long term holding and I already started realizing that fact.

You're right, we're on this already as the market seems to be bloody again and with what it shows right now everyone that talks about buying the dip should start putting their money where their mouths are.

I agree.
I've made a lot of mistakes in the past and this time I'd make sure that I'll be able to gain something out of the cycle. With newer alts or not but mostly with the btcs that I am holding. People are still looking for something else during this accumulation period and everyone has their own preferred alts to hold. I think nothing wrong with the older ones but just be prepared and make yourself busy at these moments by stacking more what you believe might pump anytime soon.

^  Mmmmm...  Yeeeaaahh, but it looks like I picked the wrong spot to go all in at W and PYTH.  :D :D :D  But dunno..  The next couple of weeks will prolly tell me if my move was good or if I'm gonna be down bad for me for a while. 

But then again will PYTH and W really be valued this low when crypto goes through a full on bull market?  Don't think so.  Will continue staking them to get a chance for eligibility in some airdrops.  :)

I think in October or better yet at the start of 2025 - we will get a better answer if you did gud or not ;D
That's what I've been hearing about when the situation should change for the better.

It seems, the refresh of the market will comes and will make a new list of the crypto market. But still that will difficult to select the alt that can rise next. With so many altcoins, we needs to be selective by researching each project to find the coin.

I hope people will not just follow what other people suggest but research for first before they decide. If they wrong in decision, they will not make a profit but will waste their money in a wrong coins. I guess many new coins will take their position in the crypto market so we must be careful when decide.

Yes, a lot of the newer alts make huge moves up next year but we still don't know which one will rise. It needs more deeper research and analysis to find out the coin. The key here is only buy the coin with the money you can afford to prevent the lost.

Because this month is the last time we collect undervalued altcoins, I am still very confident that we will get green plants back in the market, PYTH can still be expected in this cycle and the protocol is still often used on the SOL network, of course, being maintained is a very wise bet for next year.

Natural selection on altcoins that we deserve, this month for next year, is indeed quite confused with the many altcoins available today, I think you have your own way of selecting coins that are worth buying in the market, you can see fundamentally if you want to talk long term, do that strategy by having the 10 best coins according to you then throw away five and take the 5 most worthy of you to buy to invest.

No one's gonna know until you see some real movement on that pick of yours. IMHO that has some good movement for this day and as Bitcoin moves good today, it will also follow. Let's wait until the set weeks that you're going to determine if it's a good one or not.

Good luck with that, just enjoy the process and take full benefits as long as it's giving its stakers/holders the benefits to distribute some of its airdrop. It's free money that we all want to have from these projects.

When the dust settles, we will see were we wrong or right to assume so, you are right ;D
As long as it's beneficial and fun to everybody involved - it's great a beautiful.

Thanks...  I'm pretty comfy staking W and PYTH so far as they're not really that volatile atm.  By that I mean it in crypto standards.  Lol.  It takes getting used to and if you are, it's no problem.  And by now, I've become kinda numb when it comes to how the market is doing.

...  It happens when you hold memecoins in the red that are way down more than 50%.  Lolol.  'Let's hodl brooo...  Woohoo!!!'.  :D :D :D

It's on you to select whatever alts project you may think that will suits your needs, investment will likely not an easy task, looking for better investment also needs time to sort all those available projects, as per developments there are newer coins that may give decent profits once hypes and development start to push, though it's  more on how you monitor the market and watch those quality projects that experiencing heavy fall, if you feel that they will be able to survive then keeping or throwing some investment may work though the time frame is a big qestion if how long you are willing to hold and wait.

We are free to choose the project we want and depend on where we are interested in investing to benefit from the price increase that you might predict in some of that you specify on the project.
Projects that arrive may attract attention because many people are talking about, but in mind the project is good, not a few new projects have experienced a very significant price decline after being released in the market, only some time has increased then turned around, if you understand how to play market makers and the para Project developers to attract the attention of the market you can see more clearly.

The question is how long holding back, I of course on the altlcoin only some time after Bitcoin delivered the new ATH, precisely in 2025, because after that the cycle would definitely repeat.

I agree. It depends on each person and what he or she wants to achieve, really. Going in long would be more stable with the time being at stake, going for a short trade or investment - more risks, better and faster reward. Further analysis is always needed.

Just like what I mentioned, it's all going to depend on how you do your research and how well you think the project will bounce back, if you collect all the data and all the information if how good the project might be, then it's going to be okay if you invest your money and wait for the right time to sell your holdings.

More on self-will and how you think your potential benefits might be if you buy while the market is down and sell when bull show up and pump the value of your assets.

It seems that there are bigger coming from new projects and that seems to be the trend in the coming days .

There is no denying this is the best way to make those who like altcoins rich in the near future with the note that the price of BTC will increase soon. of course not only Investors are looking for projects that will give them some benefits some of us also more or less also monitor the situation and wait for the price to increase and the most pursued are those who have other functions in their ecosystem such as XRP.

I think alts will rise either in October or in 2025.
That's my opinion due to the fact that we all wait for BTC to grow up and make our portfolios better.
And we should all continue to accumulate it in due time.

What if this time it's different?

Maybe a different logic could be developing:

- Most things have already been invented in crypto, so the upside is lower for new products promising "the next big revolution".
- People have been scammed hard by "newer alts" since 2014 or so and lost huge amounts of money.
- No coin which was promoted to be "the next Bitcoin" has managed to catch up even with Ethereum. The single one which tried hardest (Terra/Luna with their Do Kwon cult) was the biggest failure of them all.
- More and more people realize this, and thus older, more "solid" projects begin to attract more capital also in the altcoin space. (This is not a Bitcoin maximalist post, I'm talking about coins like XMR, AVAX, LTC, MKR ...).

Don't misunderstand this post, in general I agree that it's more likely that newer coins have more upside as this was the case in several bull runs. But this hype mechanic could be changing eventually.

I agree however that it looks that alts have stabilized a bit, perhaps the bottom is in definitely for this intermediate bearish phase.

It's still more preferable have the already existing one that much more established than those coins who hadn't experience the exponential growth or having to witness bull run, though there are more likelihood that the newly coin that never experienced would have much more chances to give some possible percentage while the bull run come next year. But their dump would be something unimaginable and shouldn't be trusted that much of even holding them with a relaxed mind instead more established ones.

I am enjoying Bounty and airdrops nowadays , starting from DOG nowto Banana , i think there is a place for me in these area now (in which I denied for  how many years before)

October seems like a more possible period, and right now we are still just a small time away from the bull period, not a lot but we are getting closer yet not there. We will probably see it start moving a bit on October, but the real big increase will start in December if you ask me.

December will not be when we see the peak, it is not going to be the new all time high, we will keep seeing more increases in 2025, I just think that the move will start in December, and then move into the new year as well. This is why October is a "fake bull" period, and not that it won't go up, it will, but then November could be a bit more down again.

Maybe we will see 70k again and drop under 60k again, that could be possible, but then in December it will start going to 70k again and then move beyond and have new all time high later on. This is why we should keep trusting what we see, it looks like we are going to see September be a bit sideways and not much big movements will happen, just daily small ones.

So if you think that way better to grab the opportunities to collect those coins that you believe will generate decent benefits while it's on sale right now inside the market, there are projects that will be on bargain which can still bring big pump along the way, the question right now is how good your analysis and how better to study deal with your research.

It's your own decision making that will generate good prospers for your investment, just take time to keep on track and keep those assets
for a certain amount of time.

I do think that accumulation now will pay greatly in the future for those who won't stop up due to corrections or needing money asap, thus, stopping the process altogether.

If a person is self-responsible, he will be able to achieve what you said in the end.

Yes, Altcoins will only bottom when bitcoin goes down, it has become a rule of the market. Other assets, not just bitcoin, are also retreating and bitcoin's downward reaction is normal. Therefore, altcoins will have to continue to wait, it may be an opportunity to accumulate or buy more at the next low price. I guess Q4 will have interesting adjustments, if there is support, bitcoin will increase very quickly. I continue to observe and wait in october.

I do think that in October or more likely in 2025 we will see the BTC growing up and alts following along the way.
As you said, it's better yet to accumulate BTC as well as the alts if you are into them to get the boons for it later on.

I will probably continue to state once again that the value of altcoins depends on the position and support of bitcoin. It is unfortunate but we have to pray for a rapid uptrend of bitcoin so that altcoins can encourage a new trend. If we really expect altcoins to recover, we need to be patient and wait for bitcoin support.

Yeah, it's more on how you play with your investment as long as you have the money and treat is as spare so you can just let it be keep whatever the direction of the market, it affects your emotion if you don't know how to control, especially when emergency happen you can't ignore that needs and even you are at loss you'll be selling your assets to address your needs.

You give a good suggestion to pick the 10 best coins according to our research. The market situation now is indeed a natural selection for crypto market so the list of the coins will not be too many to choose. With only choose 10 best coins, we will not feel difficult to handle the coins.

If we can analyze deeper, we may be find a potential coin that can give us profit in the future. Although that needs time to get, that will be worth to do if we still research the coin one by one. We don't know for sure but we can get more sign or clue which coin that can increase.

The next thing that we can do is determine how much money we can use to invest. We need to split the money for the coins in our lists so we will a new lists of potential coins.

I believe you're correct about TON and SOL, but I'm uncertain about ZRO at this time. Your mention of this coin has called my interest. You could be right about ZRO as well, and purchasing now might be considered an early investment.
Ansyways, I'm confident in SOL and TON. These cryptocurrencies have strong potential for recovery, and their blockchains are highly active.

I am also bullish for TON especially, I think during this bull run they will show great results.
Another coin to analyze in the future is ZETA, in my opinion. It surged greatly after the news about the fed cut and has some interesting use-cases behind it.

What if this time is different..?  Hmm, could be, but more often than not we've seen the newer ones get bigger gains.  And I'm not even arguing, it just is.

But yeah...  It's looking a looot better now with L1 coins going up and their memes going up more than them.  The coin to check out now is SUI.  And when an L1 is outperforming the market, it's worth looking into their ecosystems be it memes or real projects.  ;)

Stay safe sports fans.

I noticed that from altcoins market, that whenever the price of BTC is moving other altcoins price will be moving too because there are some new altcoins that don't move when BTC is moving but they don't last long before they will disappear for those that will invested late to regret. That one is sure that the price of BTC will still break history before the end of the year to hit high, and it will push many altcoins to hit higher to cause their investors to accumulate more profits from their altcoins investment, and before you invest in such altcoins that will not disappoint you  in your hodling try to research about the altcoin before you invest your money.

Your prayer will not make the price of BTC to go up or down in the market, because buyers and sellers will be in the good position to determine how BTC price will go in the market, and if you are hodling BTC or altcoins just be patient with your hodling and you will get a good result in the future.

ZETA is having good pump lately but I'm starting to see pattern, it seems like coin that already dropping to rock bottom and is listed in korean exchange upbit getting good inflow of capital, maybe it's the trend in that country to buy undervalued coin.

but putting that aside, as long as the coin has good fundamental it won't hit rock bottom, AAVE is having good performance lately, probably triggerred by certain forks. regardless of bitcoin sentiment despite heavily dependant on it to amplify the rally, coin with actually good fundamental keep rallying and it seems even meme coin trend get revived as well with the presence of new meme coin like neiro on ethereum.

I won't expect alt to hit bottom as long as BTC dominance don't increase that much, the only good indicator to determine whether alt will really plummet is if BTC dominance is going up while BTC price is going down.