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I decided to find out more about the opinion of forum users about their advantages in gambling. Everyone knows that in sports betting it is not enough to predict the outcome correctly. It is equally important, and perhaps even more important, to do it more accurately than the bookmaker. This is the disadvantage of sports betting: we must be more successful than the bookmaker in predicting the results of a sports match. Simply put, we must be smarter than the bookmaker. But is this possible?
I know that a huge number of players refuse to make a forecast of the results of a sports match, refuse to engage in analysis. They believe that sports betting is created for entertainment and place bets more or less randomly.
However, if we still treat sports betting as a serious activity (that is, we do it not only for entertainment), then I would like to ask you this question:

What do you think is your advantage over the bookmaker?
And in general, do you have an advantage over the bookmaker?
Is it even possible to have an advantage over the bookmaker?

This questions are not for me because I do not see betting to be beyond entertainment. But let me answer you. The bookie sites are growing day after day. They are making enough money from people. All what they need is to have millions of registered users. The more their users bet, the happier the bookies are because they know that is more money for them to make. When I gamble less frequently, I won more. But I still have it in mind that it is just what should not be taken seriously. If I see it in the other way, it will not be good.

the only advantages that players can use are specific information that is not yet public (you know someone or you are attending an event live).
you can have advantages because you know a sport better than them, but unless you are a former professional, they basically know more than you. ::)
you can think that an odd is "wrong" on their part and take advantage of it. basically you are "alone" against a group of professionals.
aside from some rare cases (or just different opinions) it is really unlikely that you can perform better than them ;)

I had an advantage over a bookmaker very few times. The one I remember with more "sympathy" concerns an old bookmaker that is no longer active that allowed you to bet on the relegation of a team (that mathematically had already gone in financial bankrupt and was on the last place in the rank).

the odds were low, and there was a minimal risk of a hypothetical rescue, but we are talking about a practically impossible case on a practical level.

Anyone who have not found his edge over the bookmakers will continue to struggling just like I did at some point in my gambling until I did a lot of adjustments in my gambling which I will try to explain a little of while hoping anyone who wishes to implement then should first test it if it works. The steps I followed are as follows:

• Divide my gambling into business and leisure by this, 80% of my capital will be reserved for business bets which are high probability bets whole 20% is reserved for leisure in which the risk is higher as well as target win.
• I decided to chose just few selected teams in selected leagues, play them each and every other week. For instance, Real Madrid, ManchesterCity, PSG, BayernMunic and Malmo which I play direct wins one ticket, over 2.5 another ticket and over 3.5 another ticket. This is my business bet which I target 3 to 5 odds and a win rate of 60%
• I have a fixed gambling budget per day, per week and per month, as soon as it is exhausted, I take a break.
• When I have heavy winning or I encounter series of loses, I take a break to protect my winning or preserve my capital because luck still play a part in gambling despite the skill

My method may not be 100% perfect as there are still room for improvement but it has helped me become more disci0lined and also increase my win rate as well as winning preservation. In other words, it has made my gambling become more systematic and measurable.

To have advantage over bookies is difficult, except on few instances like if you are preview to certain crucial information after the odds have been drawn. Like if the bookies were thinking an important player was going to feature due to the coach already published information on his line up and you have that secret beyond them at a later time that such player will be on the bench for the whole of the match. Another way you can have an advantage is if you have the knowledge of a fixed match.

Otherwise, I think personally one may not be smarter than bookmaker. The best thing is to focus on the features and analysing the match rather than focusing on the odds.

The only possible advantage over bookmaker I could think about is having indirect and unintentional insiders information. For instance, a football game is in few days, but you manage to find out that favorites best striker gets injured (you have heard that info or saw him during training). And maybe some indirect hints might help, like knowing that team had minor issues, like a delayed flight, someone recently got problems in family, something that can indirectly influence on performance. Bookmakers does not follow each and every athlete 24/7, but a true fan might know or notice something  athletes deviations from routine.

Being smarter than bookie sounds like nonsense, but basically every gambler can only find or take advantage of all the opportunities available and given by the bookie.

If we talk about the advantages of gamblers over bookies, we will never find it, gambler advantage is when they manage to take all the betting options correctly for win and make it multi-bet that increases the odds many times over.
There are no other advantages because the bookie has more advanced advantage in providing opportunities to gamblers who will bet.
In addition, it can also be ensured that the bookie will get all the information or analysis about match faster and the bookie will know more quickly in great detail about the advantages and disadvantages of each team.

While betting smarter than the bookmaker means that we're winning against them, it doesn't have to be like that. Just bet and predict, have some good analysis, and be good to go.

Not that much, and what I can only say is that I bet on games that I know and maybe that is my advantage as a sports bettor whether it's against the bookmakers or not.

Yes, be prepared and researchful about your potential bets. Know the sports you're in and that's an advantage.

If you are referring to bookmaker, I doubt that we will have such advantage on them. They have this modeling analysis and have a lot of data and for sure they are using it to make the correct prediction or at least it's what they think that it is fair for the gamblers.

And with that, I doubt that they will make such a mistakes, probably the advantage that we have is to go against what they listed and not bet on the favorite and go with the underdog. Sometimes we go this way if we had like a hunch or something, and we do hope that we win.

There's hardly any advantage that we could gain lol. I highly doubt a bookmaker is alone, and even if they were, their pretty much privy to a bunch of info as well as some tools that help them analyze stuff. Just the amount of data they can collate is already big enough of an advantage imo, let alone other stuff that they have that help in their analysis.

There's only ever going to be a big enough advantage if say, a player hides something literally from everyone else and only reveals it to you, and it's a really big game changer. Doesn't matter what it is but as long as it can influence the result of a game, it should be more than enough to call an advantage. Highly doubt that's going to happen though and even if it did, there'd probably be calls of match fixing or something.

The only advantage that the gamblers have is if they can find EV+ bets, if they can't, they have no advantage over the bookmaker.

Even you have knowledge, analysis etc etc that you able to predict the match with higher chance to win, it's not advantage, but you're able to beat the system without advantage. It's a big win when you can beat system that disadvantage you compared to you have advantage and you already know you will win in the end.

I believe having an edge over them is understandable, knowing they have the tools to calculate those odds. When the bettors have calculating tools, you can use arbitrage betting.

Analyzing sports would help you take advantage, in my opinion.

1. None. I don't think we have an advantage with them.
2. No.
3. No.

It's not that I am pessimistic but they do have the connections to give the best odds out there that will only work for them. I bet they have known analysts in different sports to help them out in making those odds that will profit them more.
Now, we don't have that kind of power unless you are an analyst yourself. But, I doubt you could be a good one who can handle many sports. Perhaps, one or two and that's it, so that you can focus more and increase your chance to win.
Still, there's the luck part that you need. I have made a lot of underdog bets that shockingly won. One x18 for a team in basketball, a superunderdog, and at that time Alexa Grasso claimed her title which is x7.00 and more in other sports.
I am not an analyst on both sport but I think there's a part where luck is on my side and my instincts told me to bet for them.

Even if sports betting is done for entertainment, there is still the intention to win from it.

It may not be a personal advantage. But the one advantage that gamblers have against the bookmaker is that no matter how they choose to select the odds or the factors that they look at, they are never really in complete control. Things can always still go against them and come the way of gamblers like myself.

If there were no luck factor, bookmakers would have had it all and remain completely superior.

If you compare bookies with players, it is clear that it is not an equal comparison, like water and oil, it never mixes and the same goes for gamblers and bookies, Far from being grilled, whatever you do, the bookie makes more profit than the players, the bookie has a watch to arrange bets, the player only does it based on the bookie's watch, obviously there is no advantage for the player.

There is a clear profit, you get it when you win, this only happens to a few people, one bet, the dealer doesn't, the profit ratio between us and the dealer is 100/2, clearly the dealer wins more when it comes to gambling.

No, this question can be taken as an example of the case that happened to musician Drake recently, he lost millions of dollars again and lost, just imagine if there were 10 people like Drake betting on the same bookie and they lost, 5 more people won with bet $100/person, One result obtained by a bookie like Drake betting is difficult enough to cover the winnings of 1000 other users, meaning the bookie is superior in terms of gambling.

The advantage is that you can belong to a prediction group where there are some experienced sports analyst who can give some good predictions. Their forecast are not always correct but you could see that the analysis makes lots of sense.
I have not discovered any advantage over bookmaker, some folks have claimed they have but kept it secret. It is possible to have an advantage if you have an insider who can give you information that is not in the public domian. There have been cases where some players or coaches engage in some illegal activities like match fixing. People who are aware of such an arrangement, could take advantage of it and cheat the bookmaker. But like I said, this is a criminal act and should be discouraged.

There are bookmakers you can take advantage of, especially if they allow bets while the match is live. People have tried doing this in some soccer games and making money. There are prediction YouTube channels that somehow predict outcomes accurately and riding on these predictions is quite an advantage as a user. However, bookmakers win all the time.


That's one to take advantage of the bookie. Match fixing though is hard to spot. UFC for example is partnering with Stake so if UFC is fixing matches, I'm almost sure Stake will be notified.

The bookmaker and the gambler do not know the outcome of match as both of them have not seen the future. However, bookmaker will give you odds according to his analysis and the gambler have to accept any odds offered by him and hope that the team he selected wins the match.
It is just the game of luck for both the gambler and the bookmaker but I see one advantage for the bookmaker.

The gambler usually place a single bet on a match and he will either win or lose the bet. On the other hand, the bookmakers takes a lot of bets from different gamblers and even if he loses some bets he can recover money by other bets on the same match that the gamblers lost (meaning he gets the money).

Then you should approach this type of activity with all responsibility and seriousness, as in any other business done for the sake of making money.

Hmm, it seems to me that there are no advantages for a single gambler.

The bookmaker has incomparably more resources and the analysis of sports events is carried out by a team, not a single employee. Also, the members of this team are not simple gamblers, most often professionals in their field with experience and knowledge that ordinary gamblers probably don't have.

The chances are not equal and the gambler can only be helped by luck / chance, which the bookmaker failed to foresee (chance factor).

If you assemble your team of experienced gamblers.

Basically the answer is yes, but bookmarker will mark you as "sharp"

SHARP meaning for the player who have advantage or good against the bookmakers, most likely you will get limited size amount to be bet or they refuse you to betting in their casino. If you question, it's these real ? yes the answer is real.

Sportbet & Blackjack it's one of the game while you have a better advantage against the house, that's why more likely you will get back off, limited bet size amount betting like 500-1000$ or they refusing you to play on their casino.

Just search in youtube, "Blackjack Player Gets Back-off". It's real on the real casino, for online casino once they knew you are to be good (they will closed your account or limited the bet size just few hundred dollars)

trying to outsmart book markers is not necessary except in certain cases when you feel the odds don't quite suite in well with the analysis you've done. The end product of gambling is to win at a bet and iether you're going along with the odds coming from the book makers or you want to go against what the odd says  just to risk it once in a while which should be totally of your making and not something you do too often.  The resources available at the disposal of the book markers for carrying out thier analyssis far exceed what you have at your possession and what makes them relevant in the long run is the fact that there odds have greater chances of playing out the way they've made it.

Exceptional case always exist though slim and in Those instances, if you feel that the odds are biased, you can carry out your rely on what you think is right.

I have never thought of any advantage I may be having over the bookmakers because if am to be honest with myself I know I don't have any I can lay onto except for luck. If luck shines on my bets there's nothing a bookmaker can do about it.

Maybe it would help to a very large extend  for gamblers to have that consciousness within and accept that they have no atom of advantage over the bookmakers therefore, they should make their staking amount within a moderate range that doesn't point to losing beyond what they can afford to lose. We all gamble to win base on luck.

I believe there is actually not much advantage to be taken off the bookmarker. Actually, if we think a little bit about it, it is more likely for the book makers and the operators od casinos to have access to privileged information than those who are simply betting for the sake of entertainment or to pocket some bucks casually.
To me honest, if I was a bookmarker, I would try at first to get money solely by the volume of the book itself, instead trying to guess the winners and loser by myself and use money of the business itself to try to make a profit.

I tend to treat the bookies and the casinos in the same way in terms of perceived advantage they can have over bettors: the house is always supposed to win and "bookies" are nothing but houses.

In fact, bookies have designed it in such a way for each match with the odds they have provided, and it is clear that the choice is not more profitable for us. but talking about the benefits for bettors, we are given many choices, we can choose a variety of odds available, according to what we want to make a decision on betting choices. that's the advantage we have, although it is not more profitable than bookies. because, every choice is risky. the only advantage we can conclude, yes, is none other than getting a win from our bet. well, what I know, bookies will always benefit. bookies give us the freedom to choose betting options according to what we want, they leave all the choices to the bettors in their bets. at least, in general like that. that's why, we are the bettors who have to be smart in choosing every bet.

The only way to have an advantage over the bookmaker is if you have a cheat or hack system which Is almost impossible, everything has been carefully programmed and calculated to be in their favour, like experienced gamblers will always say: it doesn't matter who wins the House always wins, little things can give you a little leverage over the market and one of them is your analysis, taking out your time to do proper research can give you a little advantage but this doesn't mean you'll always be in profit

Answering your questions precisely is just that the advantage over the bookmakers is about making your own research about the possibility of a match going towards the directions of the bookmakers so when you do some analysis and check the statistics of the events you want to stake on and discovers something different from that of the bookmakers which means you have played on their intelligence and have taken real advantage of them because most bookmakers believes that majority are likely to go in their direction so when you go against them and see the outcome of an event differently from how they thought it would be it means you have already outsmart them and taken advantage but the real advantage will come if when you go against the odds of the bookmakers and it works for you and you are able to win from it that is the time that you will actually feel the impact of the advantage you took over the bookmakers.

I  guessed there are ways of outsmarting some bookmakers which is significant to the amount of knowledge/information that one may have about certain games.

Someone told me a story about him and some guys in the late 90s where at that time they had a source for getting information on how games will and betting with that info often makes them winners, some of them literally made a lot to even start up their own Investment that is now a source of living for them and family.
Getting this info isn't easy and nobody will often speak about it now because we all are aware of the implications of such but that doesn't happen it still doesn't exist.

I know there's something as luck in gambling but I have discarded it from my gambling because it limits someone from improving and really taking time to come up with a more better strategy for gambling.

Also I think not every gamblers believe or depends on luck to win especially those who are serious with gambling.
Even if we speak of gambling as a means of entertainment (I'm still in this category) there are many who are really serious with it some as made it a part/entire source of living and I think before they could decide to focus on this then they know often they will be getting the better of these sport bookmakers since I wonder why if anyone would make gambling a part/entire source of income if they depends on luck often because they will bankrupt in the end.

Actually am not a regular gambler but I think my the only advantage I have towards the bookmakers is that I shouldn't bet on parallel games, because the more games we add the more advantages the bookmakers gets.
Not quite sure.
Yes it does, but we can't have such winning advantages without being lucky. It's only when we're lucky that we can outsmart the bookmakers.

I will do my justice to this question as detail as possible.
1. My advantage over them is to be able to decode any way they manipulate odd to favour the casino and not the gamblers, my brain is unique in my own way.

2.You have an advantage over bookmakers when you stake the amount you can afford to lose, that way you don't get pain when outcome doesn't favour you. In addition, stake as low as low odd so you can win, if you are greedy and select hard probability that will happen, you might not win anything. It's possible to win 2 goals in a match so when you see over 1.5 with 1.28 odd, go for it instead of 1.34 odd that may be over 2.5 which requires 3 goals.

2. It's possible when you make use of lower lines, that thing helps alot and it can make you win an option in multiple times instead of focusing on just a particular ones, explore others and see if it's going to work for you, the book makers can never tell if it's going to work or not.

It's hard since sport games are unpredictable, so how can the bettor have an advantage then when he can not predict the outcome of a match for instance, because many atimes we have to note that no matter the level of our expertise, we still need to rely on luck to win our games, so with such understanding how then can we work out a way to have an advantage over the bookmakers who sell the games to us.


The only advantage with sport bet is that, at least it will give you the chance to make some games analysis that could possibly aids your winning but not totally right.

There are more ways of having an upper hand over bookies. One of the simplest ways was using arbitrage betting, but I understand this practice would get you banned on most sites.
Let's also not overestimate odds makers' abilities, they do make mistakes just like anyone else. The odds are initially set using statistical and historical data but get adjusted later on based on the flow of bets. There will always be instances of misplaced odds for real-life events (sport or other) as not everything can be factored in in odds-making algorithms. Timing of your bets can also shift chances in your favour, e.g. when you bet early, you could get better odds then later when they get adjusted.
Knowledge of the sport you're betting on is key, and you don't necessarily have to have insider info etc.

Well, in my opinion, I think the advantage a gambler can have over the bookmaker is if the gambler has a very good knowledge about every sports event, league, strength and capability of teams and players  and lastly if the gambler build a nice strategy to make accurate predictions. I know that bookmaker can also have someone who they believe is capable of making accurate predictions for them but a gambler can still be more knowledge to take advantage.

This is a pretty reasonable idea. It seems to be true. And it seems to me that this is something that is quite easy to implement. More precisely, I would not say that it is not at all difficult. The goal here is to become an expert in some chosen area of ​​​​sport and to know so many nuances in this sport that the bookmaker will never be able to do. But knowing many nuances more than the bookmaker is not always an easy task. Perhaps you need to keep your own alternative statistics, in which you will take into account some additional factors that the bookmaker does not know about or does not take into account.

Yeah, it's not unusual to think that way, and there is not much advantage, in my opinion too, that can be found through the lens of a common better / gambler.

I think that the only way to be in the black in the world of betting is fixed matches. And I used to think that such matches were a thing of the past, but in fact I was wrong. I love eSports and often place bets during the world championship The International. And at this level everything is fair, but regarding small leagues - everything is murky there.
I watched many revelations when small gaming leagues were completely fixed, and this surprised me. In fact, the players there are like puppets. And only the mafia that controls such games can be in the black against bookmakers.

I doubt if even this can help you out when making your predictions successful well maybe sometimes it gonna work but not always and that being said it still falls under the category of probability because nothing is ever certain because even the bookmakers themselves know actually have the correct ratings because sometimes there are crazy things at the very dieing minutes that can change or influence the outcome of that particular prediction.

In Bookmaker we can do our own research and it is a matter of interest that we can place bets in several ways. We have a lot of ways to place bets on bookmakers. We can save our funds and enjoy gambling o Bookmaker and to gambling on Bookmaker we can get the highest chance of entertainment. It is time to gamble on the sportsbook we may get good plassure

Definitely it's not going to work always, every experience gambler knows that a particular strategy doesn't work all the time, the prediction of the casino is not also going to work all the time, that's why gamblers still have advantage over them too. Some skilled gamblers knows that   despite their high skill in gambling, they are not lucky always but at least having the skill is better than not.

rather, the bookmaker sets the parameters and conditions of the game and only a few events can be accurate, and everything else is the bookmaker’s own net profit if the player did not guess the event. The advantage can only be inside information about the game (for example, a fixed match), but this game can also be challenged by the bookmaker if in doubt in a random win by a random player.

What do you think is your advantage over the bookmaker?
Only taking +ev positions, knowing how to find big edges in esports, lots of volume.
Using many different oddsets to find the best odds possible, betby, ultraplay, pinny, bookmaker, nitro, etc.

And in general, do you have an advantage over the bookmaker?
I've been betting fulltime for years.

Is it even possible to have an advantage over the bookmaker?
Yes people just need to stop betting like degenerates and start learning.
That is the only reason why people are still losing to bookmakers, a lack of knowledge and ignorance.
There are services like oddsjam, surebet, etc available, it's very easy to get an edge and there's not much excuse to not be winning besides not knowing it exists.

However it might take longer to understand how to find an edge yourself, without relying on these services that just compare soft bookie to pinnacle.
There are a lot of youtube resources like Unabated that can teach you a lot if you're completely clueless on the concept of value.

For me I found my edge in esports like CS & valorant, and constantly discover things by observing the markets and speaking to people.
I have never had any interest in trying to beat a big traditional sport like mlb/nba/football when they have so much historic data, it's only really possible with a huge complex data model that 0.00001% are trying to do.

Most bettors are trying to beat on the premier league, nba, mlb and other top leagues, with no model, thinking they can just look at some past results and cook up bets to beat the bookies insanely sharp lines on top events.

Main things lacking with losing bettors is education, knowledge, effort, awareness of real edge, bankroll management and getting rid of a 'gamblers' mentality.

The bookers are sports analysts just like every gambler. They do not know better than us as they tend to do the same research before setting the odds. If a gambler wants to be smarter than the bookers then they need to think like the booker with some extra touch of more findings they can get which the booker doesn't have. However, the only way to be assured that we are ahead of the booker is when there is someone on the inside who have more information towards the outcome of the match. Just like people do say that most sports matches are fixed matches if there is someone with the right information on fixed games then that is one way, we can surpass the bookers.

We will never be able to outperform the bookmakers no matter what we will still be under them even though we are profitable and get a win in the bets we make.

It is necessary to realize that our capacity in gambling is as a player and the bookmaker is a businessman so we will never be able to surpass them in terms of gambling.
Maybe we feel that we win is a condition where we can outperform the bookmaker but in the end it is a superficial thought because we win and benefit from the bets we make are only a small part of the bookie's winnings from other gamblers so they will not matter when we are profitable because they are also profitable and will always be profitable in the bets they make. So in this case we cannot be naive that we can outperform the bookmakers in gambling.

Of course it's possible, that's precisely what are doing professional bettors. They are able to find odds giving EV above 0. But if it's a centralized sportsbook and not using a parimutuel system but an odds-fixed one, they won't take too much time before spoting you and limiting or locking your account. Dishonest sportsbook won't say it's because they find you make too much profits from them, they will find an excuse for that or won't explain anything. That's why professional bettors usually only bet on decentralized or parimutuel sportsbooks or on betting exchanges.

Having an advantage over the bookmaker is something that is very possible but it's not something that literally occurs often enough, except for the times when they happen,  book makers originally are most times usually ahead but you can stay ahead sometimes by virtue of your analysis a d data meanwhile sometimes you may also be able to stay ahead by virtue of an information which could be classified or as regular but more precised by their analysis.

Most bookmakers will originally not want you to be ahead or have that advantage over them because for them it's going to cost them some . money they wouldn't want to loose almost immediately but if you have your edge they can't still you from been lucky enough at that point.

The bookies are out for business and for that, they will put everything in place to always remained remain at advantage over the gambler's, and regardless of what the skills of the gambler is, the house will always be at advantage, that is why, it is important for a gambler to play with caution and also for fun, because by the time you allow your greed to drive you to a point where you think you can take advantage of the bookies because that is not possible to happen, and for sure that is why the remain in business since their have tons of players using their casino's and some winning on the bets while majority's of other loses which is where the casino revenue comes from, the more the gambler want to win from the casino the more money' money the casino generate along the line which is somewhat the normal occurrence with gambling most especially in sport betting which is the most popular kind of gambling games played in contemporary time.

They may be able to find cases where the odds are in their favor, but typically this means either they have other bettors to balance things out, or the payout is adjusted accordingly. Over time, nobody beats the house. Professional or not. Luck always runs out as they say. You can’t cheat the numbers.

I do not like such word like professional gamblers. The reason is because most people that are betting or gambling that are successful are not successful because of gambling but successful because of something that they earn money from like businesses. Gambling is even taking money from them. The people that I know that make money from gambling are those that tried their luck with small amount of money and won huge amount of money. Example is using $50 to win $20000. If such person use the money to bet or gamble, he will lose all the money back.

Very few can indeed become successful in gambling especially if you are talking about luck-based games. I can understand if it is in poker or sportsbetting. Other than that, it would be very hard for a gambler to attain success in terms of financials.
Even sportsbettor are not always successful as it depends on how they are familiar with the sports or the strategies they are deploying when it comes to odds.

One of the few advantages that comes to mind is timing, one of the downsides to that advantage is spending more time monitoring the markets because you have to shop for odds once they open the markets. Bookmakers aren't always quick to catch up with the teams, and you'll stumble upon a few opportunities before they get overvalued.

I used to have an advantage against the bookmaker before, and I paid the price by getting my account limited.

It's always possible to find an advantage in sports betting, but bookmakers can quickly catch winning bettors before it goes out of hand.

I would also like to note such an advantage as deep and painstaking analysis. Many of us know outstanding analysts who were able to earn money on sports betting. For example, these are analysts such as Bob Voulgaris and Nate Silver. For example, Nate Silver, the author of the book "Noise and Signal", told how he developed a program for a more in-depth calculation of the behavior of players during sports matches and predicting the results of sports matches in baseball. His ideas were based on the fact that with increasing age of players, their effectiveness decreases. Thus, knowing the statistics of each player, his age, you can increase the effectiveness of forecasts.

in any gambling in my opinion the advantage that a dealer has is greater than the player, especially with a game where the victory depends purely on luck, of course no player can succeed just by betting, even if they do it with a high bet amount, it is not possible for them to win big because if they are not lucky, no matter how big the bet is, it will not result in a win.
including sports betting, which in my opinion, even though this game requires skill or is based on how familiar they are with the sport or the strategy they apply, as you said, is the same as luck that is still involved. it is very unlikely to be successful just by gambling, even to be able to get consistent wins, I think that is just a myth that can happen in the long term.

The advantage is small and reduced to a few small niches that successful sports bettors know how to find.


Of course not.


Yes, it is possible, but it's a bit like in poker. Only a small percentage of the total are successful long-term winners, and this requires time, dedication and effort, apart from the use of software to achieve it. Other aspects such as bankroll management and psychological control should also be taken into account.

We can't beat the bookies because they make money regardless of the game's outcome. Bookies profit from the "juice" or commission they charge on bets, typically with odds around 1.90 to 1.95. If bookies were betting against us, we wouldn't see line movements; instead, they move the line to balance the betting public on both sides. This strategy ensures they stay on the safe side and make money from the juice.

To gain an edge over other gamblers, we should focus more on the odds we're taking. The outcome of the game might be 50-50 at times, but if we consistently take discounted odds, we'll never be ahead in the long run. Mathematically, we'll lose over time since sports betting is, after all, a game of prediction.

It's not even that, a bookmaker will purposefully build in an extra margin of error in the odds that they offer the person placing the bet. So if the player has to be very selective about the bets they place, where the built on margin of error still allows for a profitable bet to take place. I'd say the biggest place someone placing a bet could make the best decisions is in a live game, where there will be less data available, it's less able to analyse live and there may be factors unaccounted for in the calculation - like a team playing very well, but down a player for some reason and offering extremely favorable odds. It's hard to pick them out accurately as the betting companies still make better calculations.

Error in odds. Besides that there’s no such thing as an advantage since there’s always a house edge that cause lower odds on all match they offer.

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Arbitrage betting and fixed match are the only way I know to beat bookmaker on their own games since this is a sure bet but they don’t allow this which means there’s no legit way to beat the bookmaker.

A gambler has an advantage, but to some extent; in sport betting, the final decision isn't influenced by the casinos themselves... Mind you, the casinos don't make predictions against yours ( I think you wrote something of that nature in your post... That's a fallacious statement). The ability for a game to be played on on a neutral ground - not more of a preprogrammed thing is already an edge against the casinos, so all they'd do is limit the options that a user has... Haven't y'all seen some options being locked on a casino? That right there would always be 100% against them.

The idea is; everyone isn't going to wager on the said bet all at the same time, neither is everyone going with one option... The casino regulates the odds as it draws closer to the kickoffs

In my opinion, no matter what people do, as long as they keep betting, in the long run they will lose everything. The only scenario in which people can really beat the house is when they get a game right with very high odds and win a lot, and that is an amount of money that recovers all the losses that the person had and after that the person stops playing forever. If the person keeps betting, even if they create many strategies, that person will be losing, winning sometimes, but most of the time they are losing, so the house always wins, unless the person wins a lot of money on a bet and stops playing forever. In my case, I have been making multibet bets with high odds because that way, when I get it right, I can have more money to continue betting. But I am always aware that the house always wins.

In random cases that you are familiar with yes, but constantly no. Bookmakers have teams and algorithms that analyze the data 24/7. You can do only so much as a one random gambler. If you happen to be some prediction genius, good for you but in most cases you would need to work extra hard to get results, and bookmakers get paid to do that. You would only get paid if you won, and still in the end you won't know if it was because of your detailed and deep dive prediction or pure luck.

That said, it's sometimes just fun to analyze and i feel it's part of the experience for some people. Like investigative reporting or something. Learning things and connecting dots can be very rewarding.

On your lucky day, imagine you decided to go against the odd and bet on an underdog but all of a sudden they managed to pull out a miracle and made history that also brought you some money which isn't exactly an advantage but that's the basic concept of sports betting.

You mean having advantage over bookmakers as you win all the matches you bet on then it's definitely not possible and in worst case scenario you lose all of your money.

The player's advantage is inversely proportional to the risk he is willing to take.

A player who plays without much ambition, places simple bets, betting on single wins, losses or draws, places his bets in advance and always studies his moves thoroughly, the risk is always small, but the profits are also small.

However, there are those who prefer to bet on exact results, make multiple bets or even bet online (with the game in progress) or change it during the game according to the current situation. This type of bet certainly provides more profit to the player, but it is also much riskier.

For this reason, I believe that there is no factor A or B, house or player advantage, it all depends on each person's style of play and the bookmakers simply manage this very well: What gives them fewer chances is less profitable for the player, while what can make more money for their players is riskier for them.

The house never loses, but each player can choose the style of play that suits him best and try to take advantage of it.

Gambling shouldn't be take so serious the way you are saying it because it is based majorly on luck and not analysis or skill. If you put all the effort that you have into gambling, it does not mean that you will be able to win more than your losses.

There is no way that a gambler will be ahead or smarter than the bookmakers because it is not only one person that set those odds. Bookmakers come together and analyze the match together before the come with those odds giving them a better advantage over the gamblers.

it is true that the bookmaker sets the parameters that may help the gambling site whether they will be in profit or not. Many a gambling site are making a lot of money for the parameter of them. But creating a site is not easy and they can make a good amount of money even if it can make a loser.

Sports betting does have its own challenges, such as beating the bookie in terms of accuracy when predicting outcomes. This is no mean feat considering that the bookmarker has access to very deep data and sophisticated algorithms on how odds are determined. It's not impossible.

The main advantage that a gambler may have over an oddsmaker is deeper information or unique insight into a specific team or sport which will not be fully reflected in the line. This can include proprietary data about player form, or team chemistry only privy to observers who follow the sport avidly.

But, one thing that should be very clear to all individuals is that Betting on sports is to be considered a risky endeavor. Sure, taking your betting seriously will definitely better your odds but still, some amount of risk has to come with it. So while it's possible to gain an advantage over the bookies, it's not something you can do without having a bit of guts, in addition to being very calculated, and thorough (in many cases) a little risky.

I think it is clear that one of the reasons why we prefer to treat sports betting or maybe other types of games without taking it seriously is because it is indeed unlikely for us to always be able to predict everything accurately, and this is also the reason why many people say and suggest to only make these bets as entertainment when we have boring free time.

As often said by many people that the bookie will always be the real winner, or the bookie will always be superior to the gamblers, and also another reason is that we will never be able to know what will happen in the future, although I understand that analytical skills can be relied on but it is nothing more than a tool, often I see everything that is really unexpected happens in a match that makes me end the game with a loss even though I previously bet based on analysis and knowledge.

In general, the idea of ​​being smarter than the bookmaker is equivalent to the idea of ​​being stronger than the current world champion in anything (or even several champions, since the odds providers are entire organizations).
But sometimes, opportunities arise to earn crumbs where the bookmaker earns big - for example, in games where the cashflow (which bookmakers take into account) does not correspond to the theoretical odds of the teams.
Besides, in my opinion, the bettor's advantage over the bookmaker is that the bettor is not obliged to place a bet, while the bookmaker is forced to always list the odds (in fact, he is obliged to accept the bet at any time). This gives a variety of opportunities for the bettor.

Gambling is more about luck than analysis or skills. Being so unpredictable a means and trying to base it on the same to get a steady income is high risk. We can be very doomed but there is no assurance that we will win more frequently compared to losing. Just because a person knows much regarding a specific sport or game, does not mean they can beat the bookie.

Betting dealers surround themselves with a panel of experts who carefully evaluate different dimensions of the issue before setting the odds. They have complete information and sophisticated technology due to which their forecast is correct. The dealers, therefore, always retain the advantage here; gamblers find it almost impossible to beat them on a consistent basis. One would thus be well advised to regard gambling as a form of entertainment rather than a means to an end. This helps reduce pressure and disappointment, and keep gambling experiences fun.

No doubt people are going to glaze over trivial stuff like this, and I'm not saying they're wrong, but do you really have to through all this over a win? Are you really that competitive over something you don't even have an agency over, given that most games are 50/50 anyway, and those that are not are already deterministic so you don't even need to "one up the bookmaker" or whatever you're trying to imply here.

I keep saying that people shouldn't make gambling something bigger than it is, cause that's when problems start to arrive, and this is no different. You have people here making gambling a bigger deal than what it is supposed to be and where does that lead them? To more problems. If you're thinking this is nothing and is just a trivial matter then by all means, let yourself be addicted to it however you want. But don't say we didn't warn you lol.

Do remember, in the long run, bookies have the advantage as they won't have their business if the bettors will win over them. Even if the bettor is very familiar with the sports, we can't guarantee that every bet is correct. There are still factors that we can say, we are not in total control. So sportsbetting can't give a guarantee of winning just because you know the sports well but luck also plays a role in this game. Also, do note about the house edge that the house will always have. They have certain edges over the bettors. And this is why they can survive in this lucrative business. If they are losing, definitely, they will shut down their doors.

Luck is one of the things that is needed as gambler for us to keep winning. Normally gambling is not supposed to be seen as an activity we need to always indulge ourselves in because it has some certainly risk that could effect us in a long run. Gambling is for people that have the understanding about how to gamble and the right time to leave gambling. We can always make a lot of money from gambling if we know how to bet and what strategy is best for us to keep betting for more profits. It is very difficult for one to win the house which can be possibly is one know the tricks that can be used to play games and have a huge winnings especially when their is loopholes somewhere.

Yes and another fact is if gambling is to give more wins to gamblers then surely no casino would be able to survive until now, and we can see that new casinos are popping up more and more, meaning this is indeed a business that is really profitable in the long run regardless of any bet.
I agree with your opinion that no matter how good we are at sports, there are still many things that can make us lose, ignorance of what will happen in the future is the main reason, so as I said before that knowledge is nothing more than a tool.
This means that whatever bet you make and no matter how much knowledge you have about a game, in the end, defeat will always be a real possibility, and this is why making gambling as entertainment will always be recommended.

The bookmaker doesn't bet on a winner, that their advantage,
It publishes odds and adjusts them based on the money inflow and other algorithms, to gain this advantage you say you will need to always find the games where the bookie is giving odds that are far from the actual outcome and try to exploit it, but it's even harder than predicting the actual result of the game.


Sports bets are not 50/50 at all unless we talk about handicaps, a 50/50 chance is more like the exception rather than the rule, also we;re talking about sports, these are not determinist bets.


What stops gamblers from coming together and doing the same thing as bookies do?
It's the same thing, it's all humans using algorithms to try to get the perfect numbers that would fit right in the middle, not offering odds that would ruin them and not offering odds that would deter people from making a bet, everything can be replicated and you can see that by looking how different bookmakers have different odds.

That's a valid point too ;D Each decides for themselves how far they want to go into their hobby, however, in this case, luck and responsibility for yourself and your funds to spend are the main things going forward.

The term you're looking for is "edge", and yes I found an edge a long time ago. Made millions of dollars in profit. But unfortunately bookies don't like long term winners, so I have been blacklisted from every site. Sure I can sign up for new accounts, but those will quickly get banned as well.

The most difficult part is not placing the bets, it is finding bookies that will accept my action. 99% of bettors will never know this feeling.

It is difficult to make a winning beyond the bookmaker in sports betting, although sometimes this is possible. In such cases, to come into the bookmaker's view, one must predict either differently or more precisely than what the odds are able to show on a regular basis. Much research is needed for this to happen, with great detail, statistical analysis, and sometimes even painstaking modeling. Generally speaking, all bettors can benefit from in-depth research, strategic timing of bets, and specialization in a particular sport or tournament in which they have exceptional expertise. While many gamblers are casual, a serious and strategizing gambler can find opportunities for profits. Overall, though bookmakers are hard to beat, with dedication and knowledge of the game, skilled and disciplined bettors have the chance to win.


Yes that is right your mind teaches you a very important fact that gambling deals with two things, namely unpredictability and its central role in luck. Whereas in research and skills, more cognizance of a gambler is developed to further enhance decision-making skills, yet the basis for satisfaction tends to be very unreliable and mostly limited. On the other hand, there is no guarantee that even if you develop a deep knowledge of a sport or game, you will always beat the gambler. There is always some kind of risk to lose, and to make gambling some reliable source of revenues is very hazardous. The game should be approached with the understanding that at any skill and technology, passion is above all, and to lose means almost to win.

We can't have an advantage over the bookmakers unless we're related to a sport athletes but they won't want to spoil their career by involving in your little scam of asking them to do things for you to win your bets. Some athletes have been caught aiding betting and it has caused them their career. You don't need to have an advantage over the bookmarker to win. Every information that they have is also available to you hence with doing some findings on the teams involved in the match and depending on your luck, you can pick the winning teams and exact scoreline depending on how you are playing the bets. Bookmarkters that have inside information on match fixing are also putting their business at a risk because when they're caught, it's certain that they are going to be exposed and their licence get revoked. Hence they too are careful of no foul play.

It is possible but not easy, one of the biggest advantages players have over the bookmaker is that the bookmaker has to make money regardless of the actual outcome of a match, so if in a single match there are a lot of gamblers that are betting on a team, the bookmaker has to offer better odds to the other team in order to create an incentive for gamblers to take the other side, and if you can find those matches in which the odds became quite attractive, then you could turn a small profit this way.

You are absolutely right that gambling is based on luck instead of skills as well as experience. But sportsbooks need skills as well as experience and also need to analyse the previous result, present, and then think about the result of running or forthcoming.

Well, that is true if you are talking about casino games only but when it comes to sports and some casino games like poker, for instance, a huge part of it comes from analysis and skill. Imagine betting for a team without even having any knowledge about them, you are just relying on luck by doing that but those who have some insights about the game and that team will use some spreads or other options to increase their chance of winning.

Sure, we are not smarter than the bookies but many options are being given and we can take advantage of those. As I said, there are spreads as our way to predict on how the results could end up. The team we are betting for might lose but what if we use +10 or maybe better than that and the game ends like we predicted which is a close game? We might win, right?

Yeah, sports betting is a whole different game, and we really have to believe that with the right skills, we can make money from it,  maybe even turn it into a living. According to studies (this is the reality), a bettor needs to win 52.4%  (https://www.bettingpros.com/articles/what-is-the-break-even-win-for-sports-betting/#:~:text=By%20now%2C%20we've%20established,%2Deven%20mark%20by%200.6%25.)of the time just to beat the vig and break even.

So, what that means is out of 100 bets, you need to win 54 to be profitable. The amount of profit still depends on your bankroll and what your max bet is, considering the common advice of only betting what you can afford to lose. Just imagine if you hit a 60% win rate over a season, like in the NBA, you’d be making solid profit...as long as you’re not chasing losses and you stick to proper bankroll management.

The key is hitting that 54%, and you’ll be in the profit zone. That’s where the advantage lies!

Odd makers have their own sets of modelling to predict who will be the favorite and who will be the underdog. And then the handicaps and the over and under. So for me we don't have any advantage from the bookmaker as they have all the tools as their disposal to list what will be the odds for a particular sports. So maybe we really don't like the odds specially ML and so we look for attracting and more appealing returns and that could be our advantage over them. Or better yet, we can even do live betting, and so we see how the game is unfolding and maybe the odds in the beginning might be different as the game progresses and so we take advantage of that.

Bookmakers have found a system that no matter what the outcome of an event is, they will always get a bit of profit. So I don’t think you can fully outsmart them. However we can maximize our profits in a way. Bookmakers usually focus on big events and place odds based on public interest. By choosing much lesser known events, there is a possibility that the bookmakers might not be as knowledgeable in that event than the big ones.
That’s true and I believe it but at the same time you do not want to be just giving away your money so analysis is still important. If I am gonna bet, I am not gonna bet on my favorite team just because they are my favorite. There’s gotta be a reason.
Bookmakers may overcorrect when adjusting their lines. If you learn how to analyze better than bookmakers despite all biases you may have a slight advantage over them.

But in handicap betting, the 50/50 chance will be much easier for gamblers to win bets, but there is something much more profitable for gamblers, namely double chance, although this option sometimes gives very small odds or is even unavailable if the results have been seen in match.
There are many betting options that can make gamblers have good chance of winning, basically all of this will be based on how intelligent each gambler is to choose bets that can be utilized and increase the chances of winning.
Of course, things are different in game because we will never really be able to get success with the predetermined game algorithm, gamblers will always be in large percentage of defeat.

Both of you are right. We playing gambling because of we want to fills our free time and not because of win the money. If we win, we should consider that is because of our luck so we don't have to chase more winning.

We can not deny that gambling is based on luck so we will difficult to win if we don't have luck. But this will not be understood by many gamblers and makes them still chasing their win money. The casino will takes the money than the gamblers so what we need to do is just use limit money to gambling.

The bookmakers have their advantage than the gamblers so we will only gives our money like that if we can not think to limit ourselves. That is why we should not think that gambling can give us the money because we don't have a big chance for that. But if any gamblers still want to try, they are free to try but they should accept the risk.

Not sure what my advantage is compared to bookmaker, but what is certain is that every time I bet on a sport betting, sometimes I still get the profit of winning the bet even though I never count how much loss and profit I get.
Since the beginning of my acquaintance with sports gambling in online gambling, I have never compared the benefits I get compared to bookmaker. But all I think about is doing a little analysis and placing a bet, then watching the match.
Maybe that's all I get from gambling like the benefit of fun that bookmaker might not have. :)

I don't think anybody has any advantage over the bookies.
For example,  if two teams want to play a match against each other and assume the two things are of the same quality and form, the chances of each team winning will be 50-50. So you'll see that their odds are almost the same, if not the same. If one team is way stronger than the other team and there's a big chance of winning, their old will be very small compared to the odds of the other team.
Now since the odd is so small, you either be a very high staker to win any reasonable amount of money on that game. When you stake high, that means more risk and it could be more money for the bookie if you lose, because there is always a probability of you losing.
If you don't stake high you'll need to add another match to your bet to accumulate the odds. You either pick games or options with bigger odds or pick more games with smaller odds and both these scenarios increase your chances of losing the bet.

So you see that you're never at an advantage. You can never be certain until you win and that's the only time you're at an advantage. The bookies hold all the cards actually. They decide if an option should be available or not. They decide of the odds of every option. If the option is certain to happen in the game, they either make it unavailable or give it a ridiculously low odd that wouldn't make sense to put money on it.
So the way I see it, your only advantage over the bookmakers is when you've won your bet.

Not quite, you must be smarter in picking games with attractive odds. It's similar to poker where it's not about winning every hand but about leaving the table with more money than you started with.
So if e.g. you bet on underdogs with really attractive odds, you'd still lose more often than win, but the payout for the winning bets could be high enough to turn profitable. It's all about the value not the frequency of winning.

This is like saying "I know that a huge number of scientists say that our planet is round. However, if we still treat it as flat...".

You want to convince yourself that there is some way to systematically beat their algos, but as explained before they have the advantage of benefiting from big numbers. You can be lucky enough to beat the house, but not in a sustained manner over time.

If you are looking for a source of income, sports betting is not. If it were, all sports experts would be rich.

Bookies have all the advantages mostly. Tons of information at their hands is probably all put into a formula that gives them their numbers. Home or away game, injury report(which is HUGE in some sports), coach info, weather, all sorts of shit.

Most of the info is available to john q public, but we don't always take advantage of it or know where to look. This is mainly talking about betting spreads. Where 1 could actually be considered a genius and have an edge vs the bookies is by being able to predict the upsets. Betting the moneyline on certain events that have huge odds in favor of the favorite team.

I'll tell you how to beat any bookmaker in the world.
Step 1: Find a bookmaker that accepts UFC bets.
Step 2: Make a research on UFC fighter that will be in Khabib's team and is from Daghestan Once you find a guy from Daghestan, make a bet on him winning the UFC match because they never lose :D Bet on him winning his first UFC match, then make a bet on second, third... 18th match in a row and finally if we multiply all of those bets, you'll be left with millions of dollars in your pocket.
You might find it funny but I'm seriously saying, this is probably the best strategy. Just imagine if you made a bet on Khabib, this guy won 29 matches in a row, without a single lose.

Bookmakers set their lines to balance the action, so they aren't really my opponent since they’re just the facilitators. I just want to be on the right side most of the time so I can win in the long run. I only need to hit a 53% winning rate, so let’s give it a try.

like I mentioned, they don't have the edge because we are not playing against the house here.

Of course, if you can find the right value in your bets, your real goal is to win over the long run. This means everything you do should be well-planned. Don’t place bets if you're not sure or if you haven't analyzed it properly.

Bookmakers have their own difference between the odds, the spread that they lay down seems to me to be their advantage over the player. And the bookmaker simply waits until the players make mistakes in betting, this approach in my opinion is also decisive. Only a player who has some information about a fixed match can have an advantage over the bookmaker, but I think that these are big exceptions in our time.

The luck factor affects both the bookmakers and the gambler but the former has more advantages than the latter. It's true that if there were no luck factor the bookmaker would have it all and remain completely in control and superior to the gambler like you said. The bookmaker has more information at hand to analyze the outcome of matches than the gambler. Unless a gambler has some privileged information that can favor his bet otherwise they should just analyze based on team performance and the rest. Gamblers should bet with the amount that they can afford to loose because of the luck factor.

You are right, bookmakers they will have more advantage than those who place bets and in this type of sports match of course they have a good understanding of a match and also the type of bet they make and only luck and also the right analysis will win the sports bet, if we do not have information about a team that we will place bets on then it is very unlikely to win the bet we placed.

Choosing to gamble with funds that we can afford when we lose will certainly be very important and will also help in maintaining the funds that we will use to bet and also when losing in betting, because when someone loses and cannot accept it will of course be very disappointing and they can make mistakes that will add to the losses they experience.

Using money that we are ready to lose is the principle of gambling. therefore control the money you allocate for gambling well.
Bookmakers will always offer reasonable odds. sometimes they even increase the Odds for some big matches that affect the gambler's thinking.
Bookmakers will be more favored when gamblers are not satisfied with single bets. they offer parlay bets, and that is more profitable for them. although the odds offered will be better for gamblers, but the odds will be more profitable for bookmakers. that's because the chances of winning will be smaller with just a little defeat, gamblers lose all the bets they have won.

Well it's a very difficult one to do honestly, you having an advantage over the booke makers is going to require a very high skill and luck definitely because you definitely have to be lucky enough to be ahead of them if you actually get to be because this people always have the house edge that keeps them ahead of you in that they aren't in t for the Short run but to keep you coming and loosing more than you win which is actually a long term deal so they keep that as an edge by enticing you with a small amount of win probably on your initial trials and sometimes later after several losses so you get a delusional hope which may later turn out false .

Define easy..
It's easier to win a handicap if you're going +2 for the outsider that is 4:1 but it's harder for the one betting on the favorite to win by two, Handicaps are not easier, they are just the reflection of modified conditions.

And in my humble opinion, unless you pick a total outsider that you think might turn to surprise us, like Liverpool losing to Nottingham which was at that moment 4.10 for x2 are a waste of time, most are at such low odds 5 victories in a row can;t give you enough profit to overcome one loss, I have a thread about low bets  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5507810.msg64478636#msg64478636) and I can tell you it's not going well at all.

Yes, most people are more interested in sports betting than other gambling bets because they have their own differences, namely that sports betting mostly uses predictions by looking at the skills shown by both teams, while online and offline gambling bets, although using skills to play, the results cannot be predicted to win or lose.
And I agree with you, our advantage is when we feel like we have won and are satisfied with every bet we play, even though we lose a little, but we have entertained ourselves.

As a gambler that's into sports betting you must be updated when it comes to sports new and you must take out a lot of time to analyze games, this involves doing a lot of statistical research before placing your bets, doing this can give a a slight leverage over the market not a complete advantage. The odds are always against the gamblers at all times so gamblers come up with strategies to be in profit, a lot of these strategies as we know have failed countless times. The only way to have some advantage over the bookmakers is when you can get your hands on an arbitrage opportunity which is very difficult to come by

For me, sports betting has already paved the way for you not to be under an unfair system except you are still not playing the real matches but the virtual ones. This is not a true outsmarting decision but you are already on a better path because you are not being deceived to play against an algorithm you can never beat.

It's 50/50 between bookmakers and the bettor in sports betting, so there is no serious advantage aside from this fairness. This is smart enough, still, a bettor has the better advantage only if he is good at what he is doing and leaving no stone unturned.

Have you won a lot of money in spot betting yourself? From what you say it doesn't look like it.

According to what you say most people should neither win nor lose money in the long run, when what happens is the opposite, most people lose, otherwise the bookies would have to close down. They play with an advantage by offering the odds and that's why they make money.

Simply a sport can provide the participant with intuition about the chances as well as in a knowledge-based manner, they also have enough evidence to know which side the chances are on and how can bookmakers turn around such obvious things, they also cannot strongly influence the match when it is a separate field and once they want to take shortcuts to control, many powerful elements can stop them. The advantage here is that the gambler does not completely turn his back to be used as a puppet by the house, he can directly face it and although there are tricks to disrupt the prediction, the winning rate is still at an acceptable level.

Maybe they find an exciting moment in sports betting than the other gambling games. The moment to analyze can makes them enjoy their time to finds the right team. If you have a good skills in analyzing the team more than the bookmaker, you will have a chance to benefit than them. But we know that not many people who can have a good skills to analyze the match so that can makes many people lost their money in gambling. That is because they can not finds more information that can be additional info to analyze each team and find what thing that can make them have the potential to win. But we know that to beat the bookmaker is difficult and that means we must learn more about the analysis until we have a good skills. But that will not be a guarantee to beat them as gambling is not a place to make money.

Sports betting has its own appeal for us, especially when we can bet on our favorite team, it becomes something that will create a different atmosphere when watching the match. Not to mention we can apply logical thinking when betting on a team, yes, although in the end what will determine it is the luck we have.
I myself win more when betting single, but when I bet multi I lose more. But still, multi betting is something that is more interesting for me to do than just betting on one match. Usually I bet by choosing a minimum of 3 matches. Honestly, it creates its own sensation when waiting for the results of the bets I make. Especially if what I bet on is a big match that brings together two big teams.

You dont have one. The bookmaker is always in advantage.

No

Also No.

Its all about luck then - since the games need your skill but the match will end with someone's luck being favored. Or else you could go for the games where one team is surely going to beat the other and in those the multipliers are all small so nothing much of a change with reflect in your capital.

However much we debate about sports betting being about skills, deep down we all know that it is ultimately on our luck, that little luck can be the winning or losing factor.

Betting on a single game than to bet on multiple game can give us an advantage over the bookmakers. The bookmakers want us to bet on multiple games because they know that the likelihood of us losing increase when we do that. And because of the possibility of winning a large sum, people are attacked to multi betting. It all depends on us to choose the type of bet that we'll be doing because anything that gives us an advantage over the bookmarker is what we ought to be doing and not to be following others thinking, we can get lucky when we do the exact thing they do too.

Gambling favours us differently but it favours the bookmaker in the same way when you get greedy and want to add multi bets until your winning potential gets to a large sum. Winning small bets with single games can be repeated many times and you get an accumulated victory that'll be worth it than risking your wager with one multi bets and get nothing in return.

If you have some inside information then you have an advantage, without good and quality information bookies have an advantage. And how many people can boast of having good inside information? Maybe only a handful of people in the whole world...

As for us regular bettors, our only advantage is that we follow certain sports and teams/players. We could also take statistics into account, but in the end, the luck factor is the most important in my opinion. Without luck, we can't win...

In reality, we don’t really have an advantage over bookies, but they definitely have one over us. That’s why bookies always turn a profit while gamblers are left relying on luck. Sure, they provide odds and options for us to bet on, but that’s just a small tip they give us; there’s not much else. So why do we still end up losing? Because odds can be manipulated, and not all lower odds guarantee a win—sometimes the higher odds surprise us.

When betting, there’s a lot to consider beyond just the odds; performance plays a huge role, meaning it’s not all about what the bookmakers say. We do some analysis as well as our role. 

In general, players do not have an advantage over bookmakers, the advantage is only obtained or owned occasionally and in the end the bookmaker will get more profit.
Even though players do careful analysis and take into account many things that might come out as the result of the match, defeat is still possible, because players/bettors do not have full information about what will actually happen in the match later so we only try to guess well but the results can be beyond expectations.

Comparing our own advantages with the dealer is certainly not the same, because basically the dealer is the host who will always have a greater advantage than the player. Discussing the advantages, the dealer certainly has a greater advantage, because they are the owners who have power over all the games that have been provided. With the many games available, the dealer has arranged everything to be able to generate profits from the many players who play the game. For players I think all players do not have any advantages, even if they are experts in gambling, they will not be able to surpass the  advantages possessed by the dealer. In addition, getting an advantage is possible but it is very unlikely because players will not be able to predict the game including their winnings. No one can beat the dealer even if they are very lucky to get big profits in gambling, sometimes it cannot be withdrawn because the dealer makes it difficult.

What does my winning has to do with this? I don't think you even know the connection here. If you must know, it's about the 50/50 chance that the bookmakers and gamblers have in sports betting, or do you think they (bookies) control the outcome or have any influence over it as it happens in the casino aspect of betting?

That clearly states that both the bookies and the gamblers are at the mercy of both the skills of the gambler and luck, no one is better than the other in terms of the condition. The only distinction here is for the gambler to be good and thorough with his analysis and betting options, then this could turn the table slightly in his favour which is the only way he can outsmart the bookies in sports betting, otherwise, they have equal right and conditions here as none of them can control or manipulated what is being viewed all over the world as the same result.

Although I gamble not to make money, but maybe I will answer a little simply that the opportunity to win is always there for gamblers but if we talk about the comparison between the advantages of gamblers and bookies then I think it will be very far, meaning that it is very unlikely for you to be able to beat the advantage of the bookie especially in the type of casino games and also including sports betting.

And although it is possible but of course having an advantage that exceeds the bookie will be very rare, and if we talk about the number then it is none other than because of course the bookie has millions of registered users who are most likely usually most of them are prospective gamblers who will lose more than win, meaning the amount of big wins you get is nothing compared to the total amount of profit obtained by the bookie.

Actually in this case the bookie always wins over the user, they will reap big wins in every match, because there are so many bettors in the match, and I think the amount of money they have to spend will be covered by the amount of money they receive. Because if they lose more, then I think there is no such thing as betting anymore. Especially when in multi-betting, you are right that in multi-betting our chances of losing will increase and our chances of winning will be smaller, even though we are betting on big teams. Because many big teams have to accept negative results even when facing weak teams, what works here is our luck as users.

It has become a common thing, and it has indeed been in the program from the beginning, the bookmaker will not lose,
and the bookmaker will always get a profit even though some people have already won the jackpot.

Just imagine if the user reaches millions of people and the jackpot that comes out is only 1 know even 2x with an amount that will not equal the bank's profit.

Everything has been arranged in such a way, and it is also so that the casino keeps running, to pay employees and programmers etc.
So don't expect always big profits, I also gamble just as entertainment.

You are right mate, I think the only way to beat them is to also improve our skills in making prediction, if we can know all the tools and resources that bookmakers use in analyzing their games and we also learn how to make accurate use of it, there's no way we can not make good prediction more than them but it seems that they hire some group of professionals whom their only occupation is to make prediction and therefore all their attention is only focus on studying about matches and sports. If any gambler is so dedicated in such manner, they will be perfect.

Exactly and that is the scenario, the bookies have arranged everything in the system especially if we talk about the type of casino games, they will never lose but maybe they experience a decrease in terms of profit when many gamblers manage to hit the jackpot at the same time.

As you said that everything is arranged in such a way, and it makes sense because after all the bookies are the ones who create the game and who provide opportunities for gamblers, gambling is a business where as we know the purpose of a business is to make a profit, and this is also a fact that we must always remember in gambling and this is why expectations and actions must always be limited.

All businesses certainly want to get higher profits, including the casino business, which is a very promising business and brings wealth to the dealer or owner.

Some legal casino businesses already exist under the auspices of the government that legalizes the casino and have been audited, so fraudulent practices on customers will not occur.

But unlike illegal casinos that do not do any audits, it will be dangerous for the players in it because the rules can be one-sided and even if you get the jackpot it will not be easy to take.

right, the bookie company will definitely win a lot. although statistically what we see is that it is not possible for bookie sports betting to lose. but in the company it is the one who has more power and profit. sometimes there are many shadows, for example, they pay people who win sports betting or not go bankrupt. because for me they are the ones who are full of control and ways to continue to profit that are not visible

whatchu mean by having some "inside information" as you may have it? Like...the bookies leaking the algorithm on virtual games to everyone else close to them or something?... If that's the case advantage over the bookies, what happens in sports betting then? Do you seriously think they can do something that'll implicate or put them in a huge loss at the end?

I dunno why, regardless of the explanation on how these things work, people still seem to believe that the casinos are still in setting for the betterment of the gamblers. Do they really think casinos can pay for licensing and set up everything just as a charity organization for anyone to win free money? SMH

The are in charge of casino games and how much gamblers can earn from a particular game. The bookmakers have more advantage than the gamblers but we might not really understand the concept because their are so many gamblers betting on one particular and the results come and go. It could be a win a 10 gamblers  and loses for 50 gamblers happening simultaneously. Many of these bookmakers are making massive profits with the gamblers knowing the algorithm and the problem of one player winning out of 100 players. Luck is very important here and it's the way we can earn more from gambling.

In essence, all types of gambling will be more profitable for the bookies than the players, and this is not only the case with sports betting, because as I said,  all types of betting will not really make the gambler get maximum profit. This means that even though you get a big profit in one of the gambling that you do, but in reality if you calculate the total money that you have spent, then in reality the bettor still experiences a bigger loss.

So, in this case even though you make gambling as an income, there is still nothing that really makes the gambler beat the bookie. You don't need to try to beat the bookie, because it will only make you stressed which of course will affect your life. So yes, betting is basically a game and thus, just bet with money that you are ready to lose to avoid ruining your finances in gambling.

For legal casinos and getting a license from the government or some casino licenses like the Curaçao license, it could have provided an advantage but of course there is a system that regulates them to give winnings to gamblers but not enough and some big wins will appear but will not happen often.

Anyone can win free money from the casino, but there will be conditions that need to be met.
Anyone who wants to gamble and get money back must at least make a deposit to the casino, and that's the first requirement that all players need to do.

There is no free money and this is not a charity, all will be worth the entertainment and the money spent if the player does not become too addicted.
Being trapped as an addict will only destroy him slowly.

The bookmaker will always win and there is notthat a gambler can do about it because that his how they make profit from you. The casino has made it so due to their alogarithm, and this is the reason why whatever strategy that you come up with will be for a while.

For this reason, one should not think that it will be very easy to make profit from gambling in order for you to limit your losses and gamble responsible without chasing your losses so that you don't become addicted.

Just like you said it's absolutely ridiculous to think you can outsmart the bookmaker, there are no systems or strategies that can constantly put you in profit.. As gamblers we can all agree that we have seen a lot of strategies that has failed overtime. Arbitrage system is the only way that might be profitable and this is only when there's a miscalculation of odds between two different bookmarkers. The bookies are gamblers as well so it you against them, everything is well calculated and well analyzed to go in their favour, you can only get lucky

the main responsibility of the gambling company otherwise, will lose members who always play or go bankrupt. their concept will always be privacy with power. I have seen data like you mentioned 50 people lost 10 people won. admin negligence in the forum attaching data of a withdrawal and deposit transaction