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If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.). 

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss. 

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement? 

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss. 

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

It is not right to call workers slaves, these words are very inappropriate to use in the modern era. Workers or employees have a role in advancing the company or place where they work, in other words, Bosses and Employees have a mutually beneficial relationship. Differences in fate become a very beautiful color in life, if everyone becomes a boss, then who will work. Having the status of an employee is not something despicable, if each person is surveyed individually, of course they do not want to live in conditions of deprivation, but because of their limited abilities, they must enjoy their profession to support themselves and their families.

Who are slaves?


Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

Nope, this is just the typical reasoning of people that can’t land a decent job. Work is important to the economy in general because it generates profit for the company which being distributed to people that work for it.

Salary is the reward for doing our job and it’s the way for us to live since we need money to purchased our daily necessities. Without job, a lot of people will be homeless and the world will not move forward.

It’s simple, work and get paid. If you want to better salary then do effort to make you extra worthy for high salary.

If you go by that, then everyone needs to be some CEO and there is no one working under them. Is that even possible from common sense?

I agree with @AbuBhakar here and would like to add that these type of statements are often done by certain people with hidden agendas which you might not be aware of.

You have a stomach and so does your family, you need to feed them so you use your skills and get a job. Eventually you rise up the corporate ladder and maybe one day you become close to the CEO or their second or third in command. That is enough for one lifetime.

But reaching the sky before even learning to crawl is bullshit.

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I think when people think of worker vs boss, this image above is what comes to their head. But I think your statement above has already explained all what I wanted to say. Before someone becomes a boss today he/she was once a worker before they became a boss. That is just the circle of life, you must undergo alot of challenges before becoming a boss. But when the newbies who you employ comes, they don't even think of how you become a boss. but thinks that it may be some sort of inheritance, not knowing it was hard work. In nutshell, life is all about give and take. When you give you take or recieve. and after that what you receive is what becomes of you, Be it life experience or work which you have learnt. Working for someone does not mean slavery but an avenue to acquire skill to become useful to yourself or the society.

This mentality mostly comes from people who are either lazy to do anything or build something for their family and themselves, or from wealthy ones who never had to work before and mostly their parents prepared everything for them.
We are a community and there are jobs and tasks that should be done from someone or another. If our trash we produce every day is not taken and moved by a worker, than we all that place will get dirty, the same thing with electricity, plumbery, delivery and many other jobs.
Away from money and salary, we have to look at things from another perspective, and in reality the individuals who works harder are the ones who should get paid more. However, in our days things are different and a bit unfair, that’s why you shouldn’t listen to discouraging advices or statements.

My honest opinion about this statement is ignorance, and slavery is only when you own a person and make him do things without paying him unwillingly.

He's right that every worker is a corporate slave but can we do anything about that? For some yes, for some no. Not everyone has their own ways of getting out the rat race if that's the only means that they can do. They will have to realize that going on with the rat race is not a dream of everybody. Everyone has somewhere to start and one of it is through being an employee but don't degrade people that are working honestly to bring food to the table. It might work for him to say that he should be his own boss but not everyone has the same risk appetite as him.

This is true, and this is what we call as a stepping stone. Employees that have their own road map on how to become successful in life are learning from their jobs and bosses.

Everyone has their own humble beginnings and that guy has for sure and that's why he's telling such things. But he should be kinder to everyone especially to the ones that are starting out their careers. Not all wants to be an entrepreneur.

If he succeds in building a business of his own and manage to upscale it to a point where he can no longer handle it all by himself, wouldn't he seek for someone else's service? Will it be right to tag those working for him as slaves?

Life progresses in phases and the society works better because we are able to network and combine our effort, skill and time together to help ourselves achieve the goal we're faced with at every stage. Working with smoke exposes you to a lot of things that prepares you for whatever personal enterprenural plan you might have. Also, it's not everyone that needs to start a business or his own, if everyone does that, who will petronize who? It's not even everyone that has that capacity of running a firm on thier own. Some people do better under the supervision of a third party and for those, telling them they're enslaving themselves just because they are working for someone wouldn't do them any good.

Thier are places that have a very good salary structure that's better what the average business owner is getting and yet you're not the primary risk bearer. Starting off a new business or being self employed is just a matter of choice. If you don't have a driving force or you don't see a need that you feel you're best position to solve, it's better to source for already established firm and at least start a career from that point.

Not all people can be their own boss. Most people need someone else to be their boss because of lack of independence. And if all the people in the world started working only for themselves, there would be a global labor shortage. :) Which would inflate the price of hired workers and some people who are their own bosses would find it more profitable to switch to hired labor.

There is a rational grain in this. Working in an established work system, you can acquire skills and experience faster, and also, without risking your own business, which will allow you to start your own business more successfully in the future.

There are nuances here. Experience is gained in the field/position in which you work. That is, working as a secretary, you are unlikely to gain much experience in management.

If it is more profitable to work for someone and earn more money than from running your own business, then why not do it? After all, the goal of any work activity is to make a profit.

The statement above is true but comes from the mouth of someone who already has economic balance so that he can judge workers as slaves. Imagine without workers the economic cycle will not run, moreover our economic fate is not determined by the words of people who can only judge without providing solutions. The point is from the worker's side we do not have time to choose and sort out an uncertain fate. We can only do what can be done before someone else takes the job. Everyone must continue to compete in their respective careers to support their families, remember friends let them label us as slaves, or errand boys because all of that will not make us full at all

Personally I completely agree with you, such statements are very hurtful when heard and the person who said it is very immoral and forgets to be grateful. In essence, we are all people who are in a circle of a system that chases money, and every boss is not the one who has the real money printing. We admit that social classes still exist in every country, and those who are in the upper class today, cannot always survive there, the wheel of fate will definitely turn. People from the lower class are the ones who support them, who exchange their time for a salary, and we call it Mutual Symbiosis, a mutually beneficial nature.

I am quite sure that those who consider other people slaves basically have a disorder in their way of thinking, because in the minds of such people, their children and wives also have the status of a slave by their side. In my opinion, bosses or anyone who likes to throw out slave narratives to others, will be ostracized in any environment, their arrogance will not be accepted in all groups.

Totally really just that common sense and we do know that life is never that something can be considered as balanced. There would really be those people who would really be that sitting into the top and there are
those people who would really be at the bottom on which this is something that typical life cycle that we do have. If you are someone who doesnt really like on making yourself that sit into the bottom then
better to think up on how you would really be doing it. Instead on making yourself having those imaginations then it would really be just that better that you should really be that working your ass off hard
to climb up into the ladder and never focus up on how others do able to sit into the top because it will really be just that making you desperate and this is something not really that recommended.
Better focus on trying out to achieve your dreams and it wont really be able to happen if you wont really be taking any actions. This is why if you do have that kind of jealous feeling about into their condition
then it would be ideal that you should start now on achieving those dreams but of course it wont really be that an easy one and pretty sure that all of us are really that thriving our very best on achieving that
financial success and this is why we are really that involving ourselves into tons of possible income source.

Of course, workers are not slaves, but they derive much less economical benefit from their work than someone in the C-suite (CEO, CFO, etc).
In US, the ratio (remuneration difference) is some big number like 1:300 in favor of CEO.

That said, i cringe when one soccer club is said to sell one footballer or another to a different club or "loan" him.
I am cringing because this often occurs when the player does not really want this transfer or loan, at least initially.
Of course, they give their permission at the end, otherwise it would not happen, but still, there is an element of coercion in the whole process, but everyone mostly ignores it because footballers make lots of money regardless.

The kind of job you do is a choice. It is not a bad idea to work for someone a few years, raise capital and start your own business. But do you think it is everybody that has the skill to run a personal business? Some people do not have the entrepreneurial skills to start their firms so they are comfortable working with people. I know people who are comfortable working for somebody and will never consider starting a business.

It will be a waste of time for people who can successfully be their boss to spend their entire life working for somebody. Some of them will give excuses about capital, but I don't think money is a major impediment because it can be accessed through different means. People with business traits should start with what they and the business will grow gradually.     

There is a misconception that all workers are poor and unhappy. Many workers love and find fulfilment working for people. And the belief that wealth is determined by how much you are worth is also a misconception. Some people are not superrich like entrepreneurs but they are comfortable with what they earn.

They both depend on each other so if the company's workers decide to stop working, good luck to the masters. The whole company will fail, this kind of situation seems to have been very clear in the pandemic days.

The laws have been made already about slaves, it's not how it works anymore when they have to toil or get whipped. Nothing like that these days anymore when it comes to employer and employee. It's a mutual relationship where both benefit.

Most of us live in a capitalist society and that is actually the optimum option out there right now, the sort of "best of the worst" type options. It helps when governments don't resort (or get "lobbied") into a complete free market, because the best systems have a fair amount of regulation that is necessity to keep the richest under some control. The reality is, whether through conditioning or just individual greed, many people are happy to work hard all day and then fritter away their money on lots of inconsequential things in life - think catching an Uber instead of walking 15 minutes or getting 5 food deliveries a week, then wonder why they don't have any money. The smartest people in life aren't always the richest, but the people who are careful with their money and put it to work.

There is indeed such a saying, "If you're a worker, the harder you work, the richer your boss." Nothing more than cash cows, their energies are squeezed continuously with wages, sometimes unreasonably so.

A saying that neatly sums up the reality many workers experience under the capitalist system, wherein the value of their work is regularly not equal to what they are paid. Most companies concentrate on making profits to fatten the purses of the owners or shareholders, with worker welfare taking a back seat.

It tends to lock the worker into having their wages stay the same, even though what they add to the success of the business is going up. This creates a deep injustice: the more profit their hard work brings, the more it flows into the boss's or company owner's pockets.

I felt it back in the day when I was unemployed. I had to go to the employment office to get free healthcare, because otherwise I'd have to pay for hospital if I happened to need one. They were extremely rude to me, looking at me like I'm lazy, or unfit for society, since I was an educated white male in my 20s. I felt like they were asking me: why don't you get a job and instead come here to get freebies?
That's how modern society is built. You must have a job to be normal, to be like all the other worker ants. When you tell people you invest your money to get more you're a worthless speculator who can't find a real job... A landlord is someone who abuses poor people who can't afford a house and a woman staying at home with her children is a lazy stupid gold digger who takes money from her man... Society is fucked.

If we truly want to have our freedom back, then we have to realize the dignity from being independent of anyone or anything, in life, the moment that people have realized that you cant do anything without their influence in your life, then one has been hypnotized under their covering and they will tend to hold you captive as long as you remain loyal to them, except you realized your right for freedom and privacy.

The problem is that most people are incapable of being “the boss”. They are afraid to take responsibility, to take risks, and to be accountable for their every move. It is easier for them to follow orders and commands and wait for a paycheck from the “boss”. They are not the ones who made them like this, they are the ones who are like this. Don't try to put the blame on someone more successful.

Working on other people is not a form of slavery, rather it's more precise to call it learning from the position of his boss and at the same time earning as well. And with sufficient knowledge and experience in time, he will apply it on his own and might probably go on a separate way to test his learning skills and capabilities.

Slavery are those who are forced to follow their masters, but working on other people to get paid and learn from him does not fall on that.

Different people, different privilege, different personality, different strength, different experience, and different luckiness.

Encouraging people to start a business instead of working under someone else company is really overrated, similar like saying hard work will make you success and rich, while everyone in this world are hard working!

@OP I believe someone who discourage people to get white collar jobs is they know a side hustle that can earn a lot money compared to what they get paid or they're born from rich parents. So, that's why they think having a business is better, than get a job.

There are works that are promising with high-paying salaries, allowances, health care, and so many benefits. The problem is that it is rare and difficult to see one. Only those who are privileged that someone they knew or a relation is in a position to link them up to that kind of job are able to work there. When you come to society you see that the only jobs that are rampant and available are lowing paying jobs and that is why a lot of people dont want to be in such a situation where they are paid little money that they can't keep up to a standard of living in a month.

In reality, people prefer having a business or a skill than waiting to find a good-paying job. Many has come to realize that when you have a skill you can get paid the desired amount you kept as a charge, in business, you sell to make your profit. No one is in control of how you work and how much you receive.

I understand that the OP used the term slave for workers in a figurative sense, meaning that they solely depends on whatever they're given by their bosses and they can not add anything in decision making. But we can not generalize every worker into this box, it depends on where you're working, some workers in well organized companies and institutions are far better off working for someone than being sole proprietors. Workers who are in the category of "slave" no job security are the ones that are working for employers that doesn't care for the welfare of their employees.

When you're working in a place where all your entitlements are taken care of and when you retire you're paid gratuity that can sustain you till you die, that is job security. Established companies sends their staff for training to increase their effectiveness on the their jobs. Some companies even share dividends to their staff after they've hit their target for the year. Although being your own boss is good, also working in a place where your inputs are appreciated and you're well renumerated is good as well.

I personally don't agree if, for example, workers or employees are called slaves. Because this has a very different context. Workers of course work with an agreed contract, with the skills they have, and also with a nominal salary that has also been agreed. Unlike slaves, slaves were forced to work without pay and also for an uncertain period of time. That's why I really don't agree if, for example, workers or employees are called slaves. Maybe if there are workers who complain about their work and feel like they are being made slaves. In my opinion, instead of complaining like that, it's better to look for another job that is more suitable, because no one will stop you if you no longer have the strength to do your job. Apart from that, I also agree with your opinion, that a worker in the future can become a boss. I personally also see this in the current reality, that today's successful people have a history of working first. Therefore, we should not underestimate an employee or worker. Because a worker sometimes has a smarter mind than his own boss. Because every day a worker carries out work that has been determined by his company. So you can be sure that these workers will be more skilled than the boss of their own company. Therefore, it can be concluded that a worker and a slave are different things. I personally prefer to say that employees and superiors are something that needs each other (symbiotic mutualism). Because a company boss without employees of course that wouldn't be good either.

We can also say that "we go to work to earn to be able to go to work again and repeat whole cycle", if we think that we spend part of salary to get to work and have a lunch there as a minimum. However, I would disagree with sating that workers are slaves, because compared with a slave, worker can always quit. And salary, this is just a reward. Btw some people prefer to earn less, but work with colleagues they like, some just love to be busy, and money is not what motivates them.

When people failed to secure a good paying job, they try to convince others to become discouraged so they can be idle together. Op should've asked him which company he is managing (I believe he manages nothing) and if there's any, he should ask why he's enslaving people to work in his company. It's illogical to even assume everyone to be CEO. Perhaps,  the era of robots is fast approaching and no one will be slave again.

Even setting up your own company requires money (lots of money) and you can only realize that money by working to get paid. You can not just wake up one day and start up a company without funds and experienced. Both experience and money can be found else where under somebody. According to him (the man in Op narration), is either you enslave or you're a slave and both is not humane.

The title which according too you is a statement by someone is actually not right to me, if you look at the world generally average and low income earners are more than high income earners and those average income earners work for the government or private companies owned by rich people so how else does he want them to earn a living if not depend on white collar jobs. It’s not easy to be self employed or start up a business on your own especially when you are from a middle or low class family where you getting a capital to establish yourself is difficult the only option they are left with is to go to school and become an employee for people.

Everyone cannot be rich in this life so there will always be those who will have to work for others it’s like a chain and everyone is important for others to exist. If everyone becomes their own boss who will they employ to work for them?

The statement is just wrong, white collar workers are not slaves as they are being paid for their services, they work is valued and they are not forced to work they are aware of the payments and agree to work at their own free will.

Wage slavery is how most of us live, how we earn money to pay for the life we lead. Even self employed people are victims of a type of wage slavery, just without a boss looking over their shoulder. They are a slave to Uncle Sam. It’s tough but unless we win the lottery or something it’s just a fact of life that we have to work to pay for life.

Employers and employees are vocabulary associated with company, they are opposite to each other, both of them  progress with the favor of each other, employees are more beneficial to the company then the employer, because they are the ones that standardized the company, without the workers the company is nothing. a company, an industry, an Enterprise, or private sectors will not develop and be profitable if it contain only the owner, workers are very important to their employer, because they bring growth and development to the company and the society at large.


Workers serve as a ladder to the company, they are the one uplifting the company, they also serve as a backbone to their employer, they don't deserve to be called a slave but a hero and heroes, the are the people that strengthening the community, they work very hard to fulfill there responsibilities no matter what, some faces a lot of challenges in their work place but they ignore it to provide for their family.

Unless the fresh graduate's family owns their own business, the fresh graduate needs to start somewhere, there is a big difference between learning how to run or manage a business and applying what you have learned, the fresh graduate should work in a company to apply what he learns from schools, so he will have enough experience when the times comes that he wants to run his own business.

And besides not all fresh graduates should have their own company there are fresh graduates who are content to work in big companies as long as he is well compensated, there's nothing working in a company and you are not a slave you are a major contributor to the company.

 It's not cool to regard workers as slaves because they play a big role in making the establishment move forward. Granted, because they work for you, it limits them from pursuing their goals and dreams but still I won't regard them so lowly, rather I see it as a means to garner more experience and knowledge in that field in other to prepare them for their own business.
 Someone said "salaries are like bait a business owner uses to lure one away from achieving his dreams or goals" and while it's true in a sense, in other ways, I disagree because like I stated in the first paragraph, some people work for someone to get an expansive knowledge in that field and since no knowledge is wasted, peradventure they want to venture into their personal business, little or more of what they've learned while working under someone can be applied in their own, so it's more like a win-win situation.

I also believe jobs can build value and skillset for them to later be used by people as a stepping stone to starting their own businesses. Basically, the story you described is an example of how one might use his or her time as an employee to acquire the resources necessary for self-sufficiency. Not every work leads to entrepreneurship, some people experience stagnant careers that limit their growth or equip them with the needed competencies in running businesses. Besides, not everyone wants to own a company; rather, there exist those who find satisfaction and stability while working for other people. It is vital to note that jobs might serve as good grounds for learning but may also not suit everybody perfectly.

I've heard the statement multiple times and I kinda understand the logic behind it. Many "make money online gurus" are talking about "wage slaving". You can't become rich and powerful since Day 1, everyone has to start somewhere. The process of climbing the social structure usually starts from the bottom.
Come companies treat their employees like slaves and the work environment there is truly toxic. Other companies treat their employees with respect and offer good salaries and other benefits. There's no room for generalization here, but most people tend to generalize a lot.
If someone feels that being an employee is the same as being a slave, then he is free to build his own business and become his own boss.
Employees cannot be considered slaves, because a slave doesn't get a salary. ;D

That's not possible because 99% of the population is very bad at management and that good 1% owns businesses and manages people - workers. Also, it's impossible today to be your own boss, we are not Middle Ages when all you had to do was to have a farm, work at a farm and feed family members. Life today is more than food, it includes electricity, technics, medicines and many other necessary things.

There are many people in web development who are great full-stack developers but work on fixed salary in banks, casinos and other companies. They can create their own agency and start building websites and earn ten times more money but they don't do that because they lack managerial skills. There are people who want to write the code and get paid for it, they don't want anything besides that and there are many people who follow this approach.
There is a reason why companies have CEO and that CEO doesn't make his own business. They simply prefer to do their job in a company instead of starting their own business.

Yeah is not possible because no matter how the world will evolve there is no way everybody will become there own boss and like you also said we have some important sectors that is very important in very society which is hospital, electricity and so many more other things that requires people to be handling them, so now the question is that if everybody tend to become there own bosses who will then attend to sick people in the hospital? or who will regulate the electricity or the technician that would fixed it if there is any fault on the system?.

Well I think what the person would have said is that if someone has worked for a company for sometime they should be able to establish other business for themselves so that they will have divert source of income while they are still work for the company and if perhaps the business has grown very verse for him that he does no longer need to work for the company he can then resign to go and manage his business properly, so actually it make sense if he had putting it this way instead of saying that everybody should be the boss of there own.

Their is nothing wrong with working under somebody, this is even a way one can be able to raise fund to start up something that can generate income. When one decides to be an employee all through till old age that is when it is bad, because at retirement their nothing for one to hold as source of income.

It is expected as one is working to invest its salary that can generate income in  the future. The big investors we have started somewhere as employee which they did savings and investment to get what they have.  Many people just feel so relaxed as employee because they think investing can be stressful because of the risk which they do not want to lose money, so they prefer earning their salary for the job they do forgetting that a day a retirement day is coming when money as salary won't be coming anymore.

It's a slaves if the worker work on full time job but they get paid below the minimum wages. There are many unemployment and they willing to accept lower salary as long as they can work, unfortunately this making employer has a big power to select the best candidates who willing to work extra and get paid low.

They're forced to live from paycheck to paycheck, have no time to improve themselves and live miserable.

My friend, the person is wrong, workers are no slaves and salaries are not binding anyone to keep them working as slaves, we all have our choices but slaves don't. Those who are employing workers are working well for the workers and the economy, that's enough unless they cheat them. By the way, why can't the worker become an employer as well? They should be thankful, no excuse, we've seen many who made it from nothing. But the truth is that it's not easy, so they should appreciate the work. To be an employer is not easy, we do not always have the needed requirements, and to some, it's the money, to others, it may be the time, energy, talent and creativity.

Some workers earn so well and I challenge them, why can't they become employers? You will see many of them living a frivolous lifestyle without any impact on the economy, is that fair in this context? There are contractual agreements in employment and it's your choice to accept or decline, so if you accept, it is rather you cooperating with the employer and not the employer enslaving you.

Again, working under employers has its advantages and disadvantages, and the same goes for creating jobs for yourselves, either way, let's just be smart and make sure we are financially free. But if the earnings are not so encouraging, you may decide to leave the job and find another one, you may also decide to add other income means to it or start your own business, it's your choice. But assuredly, in any economy, there will always be employers and employees, it is you who needs to define what you want for yourself.

You are quite right, as the concept of equating any professional works to slavery merely trivializes the many advantages and opportunities these activities will provide. Owning companies holds much more than a paycheck, for in these lie valuable knowledge, skill, and networking opportunities to help enhance the future of work.

In many respects, diversification may be a stepping stone toward valuable professional skills and insights. This feature is greatly appreciated by applicants. While working in different positions, the professional learns to manage projects, develop particular skills, and establish professional contacts.

Indeed, many successful entrepreneurs had started with entrepreneurship jobs which provided them with the skill and financial wherewithal to take up entrepreneurship later on. As a matter of fact, time spent on such activities often gives them an insight into the intricacies of the job that prepares them for the challenges when they get down to running their own projects.

It is such a great example you gave about the CEO who started as a tech in the Central Bank; it seems working in those roles can promise to be very successful. That goes to show that being an entrepreneur can be one stepping stone to big goals in building a successful career.


You said something important. Of course, some of the workers do make good money, but sometimes finding work is not that easy. Many people would be content with the jobs they already have, or they may have some kind of problem that keeps them away from starting their own companies. And in the process, not everyone has the volition, and even the wherewithal, to make it back from entrepreneur to entrepreneur.

As a matter of fact, service is based upon mutual agreement and solidarity. The employers and employees interact through voluntary agreements whereby at one's discretion, either the set terms can be accepted or refused. Work may be a source of so many advantages and possibilities for stability and growth.

Your observation is so clear that every human being needs financial freedom. The motto should be financial stability so one can make informed decisions with regard to one's career and finances. If the current job does not suit or pay off adequately, possibilities exist to move on to other job openings, newer streams of incomes, or business ventures.

A simple question to those who think work is slavery and unfair process, answer the question: why don't you create your own business, and not just give away money to people who do not want to bring profit to your business and you, but at least just once a month come to you and get money from you ? :)

That will be the most interesting thing in this discussion !

We know that some companies exploit workers and treat them like modern slaves. You see the CEOs living in luxury while workers are paid peanuts. But that's not the case in other firms. Some workers are paid handsomely and they earn more than some business owners. For businesses to survive they also need to cut costs which might include poor remuneration. In these current economic conditions, running a business is very difficult so we need to praise some business owners that are still keeping workers. 

That is right and a reality that happens in many countries. Many owner will not care with their employees especially if that company have many workers that have different time work. Employee can feels that they are slaves in their company because their boss asks them to gives a big effort to their work but their boss do not gives a bonuses to them. Many people work and accept a job under duress because they need income so that makes them can not gives a big effort to their work or company. Besides that, not many employee have a good experience with their job and if they get it, they are lucky working in that company so they can give their effort to develop their company bigger. Between worker and owner must have bond so all people in that company can work together and gives their best performance for the company. It is about how they can manage their relation and realizes that their work is not one man show but all employee needs to work together.

Exactly the question I had want to ask him if I was oportuned to join that conversation that day, but unfortunately, that was not why I was there, I was there for a more serious business. I have read some other comments and I actually agree with someone that said that people are not forced to work, if anyone doesn't want to work because they feel they are being enslaved in the work, then the person should not work. Like I already said in the OP, people can not be their own boss when they don't have money to start their own business or company, the person must still work to raise capital for his or her business.

There's actually no slaves in there. It's just plain working that is aiming a good compensation after that. If you don't work, you won't gain an income as well. So you have to consistently work on a certain job, whether it's a big or small company, at least you need to follow what your boss has ask you to do not because you're a slave but because following rules and not breaking it is your obligation as a worker that gets paid after.

fairly speaking, even without work, to get food you gonna hunt or forage, but now you just need to work and get paid to get food, this mean current society give people their own role accordingly and just because you only get paid from working doesn't mean you are slave ;D.

you are free to live in the forest, hunt and forage your food, also building whatever technology you're currently using from scratch, but you definitely can't do that because things are too complex to be built by one person, that's why current society structure is like this.

nothing wrong with current society in my opinion, but certainly there's need polishing in certain sector like the housing market bubble and so on.

I'm in support of other responses saying that it's inadmissible to use the word "slavery" to qualify modern age employees. The labor market is arranged in stages; people climb their way to the top. Most bosses today worked as employees in the past. They went through thick and thin to hit the upper echelon of their industry.

However, in the corporate world there is this famous piece...the resignation letter. It's meant for employees who think they're not getting enough dignity, respect, pay, comfortability, and also those who want a change of environment. The letter of resignation wipes off the notion of calling employees "slaves", because it signifies the freedom to quit.

I do not believe that there are companies that enslave their workers, because in reality many people need jobs, they will do any job to get money to meet their needs. And besides that after they get a job, they work in the part of the company that is needed, where there are already rules that must be obeyed, and the job is indeed the job that must be done so that the company gets good results from that part of the job and we will get money or salary which in my opinion is not slavery. And in my opinion being a slave to a company or working in a company is better than begging at a red light or busking in the middle of a market from house to house and so on which are currently getting busier because it is getting harder to get a job just to get money to eat. And in my opinion working in a company is much better than begging and the like, and everything that happens in this world will definitely complement each other, there is good and bad, there is smart and stupid and there is rich and poor.

It's true bosses today were start their career from employees in the past, but in the past they only need to fight against 100 people, but today the current employees need to fight against 10,000 people.

The human population is only double since 1974, but there are so many people get layoff, recession, bankruptcy, increase of working age people etc which make there are so many unemployment and lack of jobs.

It's true they can resign, unfortunately there are not many jobs opened and mostly that still open may likely worse than the previous jobs.

Although it sounds unpleasant, the language is true, I initially did not like the word "slave" but finally I realized when we are tied to everything that is given but from whatever it is, it all comes back to this life that humans must work to be able to fulfill all their needs in life so I think no matter what the terms of all that are as long as humans are able to fulfill all their needs and desires then they must do anything
And the future that can be better than what is being done now is a harder work because not everything can be like that.

What is a slave? We read in the textbooks as children that a servant or servant bought with money is meant as a slave i.e. a person who is bought as a slave will have complete freedom in the hands of the owner.

But working for a company does not mean that we are slaves or indentured servants of that company. We rush to find work to supplement our subsistence income or to earn money for a comfortable lifestyle. Due to which we have to work in any job or any company. Every country in the world has rules in different work fields and companies, as employees there we have to follow those rules. We are bound to abide by that company's rules for monthly payments and act accordingly. For those who consider it slavery, my advice is to become an entrepreneur or build your own business so you don't have to do what others say.

It became famous word since people feel that they don't have any option in life but to work especially that they have obligation to fulfill. But I guess that's not the correct word to use since without those incorporators for sure that many people will struggle to earn money since for sure that there's less available job to get in their places. So what really think is we should acknowledge those companies that give peoples job since they also help people to earn a living and survive with their daily needs. Although there are times that workers got exploited but it still up for the person if they want to enhance their selves and be skilled enough to find good alternatives which can give them another good source of income to live a better life.

Also not everyone is capable to create a job for their selves since not everyone is willing to take a risk to get out on their comfort zone that's why this situation happen and we still need to be glad that there are jobs that available to take where we have assurance to get money since it somehow help people a lot in any aspect.

Just because you are working, doesn't mean that you are a slave, if people keep using that word then they are diminishing the value of it. Slaves were a real thing, I am sure there must be some still left in some parts of the world, but it's mostly historical at this point.

Even sweatshops are close to slavery, you staying at some office, looking at your computer, chatting with your friends, calling it slavery is not ok at all, it's not slavery, it's just a job. That's how we understand Z generation is having their vocabulary taking over the world, they dislike working so much that they call working a slave job, it's something we have been doing for thousands of years, even free folk during slavery ended up working, it's not a new thing.

Gone are the days where workers have been treated like slaves. We are already in the new generation where having a work is a trend, without a job, you will be a lifeless person because you can't afford providing yourself your wants and your needs.

This time, companies do need to have trusted workers because they can be an asset to the growth of the company, that's why some workers even demand the amount of their salary due to how demand their work is.

It would be much easier to be happy if people weren't driven by the excessive desires created by this consumer society.

This is called a career. A student advertises himself as a young and very promising specialist ready to show his level of knowledge as well as to benefit the enterprise. No one will immediately declare himself for the position of CEO without demonstrating his abilities. As a career grows, opportunities for better earnings appear, which can be used to create his own business. In such ways, we know thousands of people who have gone from clerk to boss. However, one can also notice that not everyone can grow or is content with what they have. But I do not agree with the definition of "slaves,"  since each person has his path and his reasons for being an employee or a boss.

There is one thing that we need to know about being an employee or an owner. Both of them are slaves that work for money because no matter what, they will stress themselves out in order for them to get paid. An owner will work to get the money to pay his staff, while staff will work to get paid. So it is simply only those that make money to work for them. This means that even without working, they will still get their money, and before you can achieve that, you will have to be hard-working for at least some years or through inheritance.
 
So if he encourages him not to work for anyone but to establish his own business, then who will work for him? Because everyone will also decide to create their own business, then no one will work for anyone, so that is not making sense.

As long as you are not harassed in your working place, then you can't call it slavery. Slaves are only those who work and still get punished, but if you are getting good compensation due to hard work done, then that is pure job, and does not make any apprehension that you are a slave of your own boss. You work on your own with the help of your boss, that's more of guidance and direction indeed.

We do need a work for us to live and considering that not all people born with having a silver spoon or simply having a rich family then we would really be needing to work hard our ass off for us to survive.
We are living on a world on which you cant be able to live or survive on day to day if you dont have the money on which simply means that money could be obtained through having a work on which of course there would really be other path or options which is on having investment or business but only a few could really be able to touch up these things and this is something that not everyone could really be able to touch or involved with it.
This is why its somehow that judgmental for us to say that people are considered to be slaves because not one really likes to live on this one but the sad reality or fact of this life then it doesnt really give out any choice for us to choose but rather we would be sticking into things on which we do know on where we do able to survive and there's no doubt that people will be engaging with it.

It is really that hard on having no work and even having a degree doesnt really give out an assurance that you could land up a work after you had graduated in college on which this simply means that
you would really be still need to compete with other people to land a job because you do know deep inside that if you couldnt have a work then you would really be ending up on miserable in terms of
way or standard of living. Just like been said that there's no choice that we could have and thats why we just simply accept on dealing with it.

I won't actually say that workers are slaves. There are people who work with others just to make their own dreams come true. Everyone cannot be a CEO. There are people who enjoys working under others people's leadership, it is their choice to work there, nobody forced them. Slaves are people that are compelled to do things out of their own will.  Mean while Some people work for others just to raise funds and establish themselves later in life. For the economy to keep growing, people will definitely have have to work under others people's leadership and companies. If we all established our companies and businesses at some point we will be stagnated, because we can't fill all the roles ourselves, we will still need people to work with us. If we see or workers as slaves we won't treat them nice. We should see our workers as people who are part of the vision in making our dreams become reality.

Tell me - is someone forcing these workers to work for such bad employers ? I.e. the employer caught this poor worker, shackled him and chained him to the workplace ? Probably not. Maybe the employee himself is a fool and agreed to such a job under such conditions ? And who forbade this worker to create his own business and earn a lot?
Why do people, when assessing the situation, most often “assign blame” to those who are simply more successful, intelligent, .... ? The answer is simple - otherwise we will have to recognize the reality, where the lazy and afraid of responsibility always live worse than those who are ready to make efforts and take responsibility. 

It is not everyone that has capacity of running their own business, some people just prefer to work for other to get paid. They don't want to stress themselves to start thinking about how to set up a business but prefer to be employed and work for others.

OP, you should also know that if everybody in a country becomes a Boss, who will be the workers or people do carry out other responsibilities. It means that life will not be balanced. There is need for employees and employer to make the country a better place because we all have our knowledge of different skills in various areas.

I can be the best employee but the worst employer.

It is considered as modern-day slavery and those things are quite true to certain extent, by being an employee though your entire life you could hardly make any rapid changes in the standard of your life, you work until you die that's what the old age slaves did too but we are doing in the more modern way.

The context of the discussion should be we can't become rich by working for someone, you can become rich only if you become an employer or investing or any other way that your continuous efforts will lead to compounding effect in the returns.

That's right, we come from different economic backgrounds, not everyone is lucky in this life, some even suffer greatly due to financial limitations. Being a boss is everyone dream, but not everyone is lucky enough to reach that position. Being an employee is not wrong, nor is it unlucky in terms of fate, it's just that sometimes we need to work harder and study harder. The assumption that employees are slaves is very wrong, because everything has clear rules and limitations, employees are paid to work while slaves are not. Meanwhile, if everyone were a boss, then this world would not run as we see it today. Saying employees are slaves is an insult, and I'm pretty sure the company he leads will go bankrupt if the leader thinks like that.

Most workers are wage slaves. Even in a high end first world country.
Most workers never achieve financial freedom.

I am looking for a brilliant movie clip that is around 90 years old. give me a moment. to find it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lad5bc6Gpb4

under 30 seconds and while meant as a joke it is true .

Not for nothing a wage is close enough to a wager which is a bet.

Not everyone is given privilege to be his boss of his own. Some are just good enough as workers, not because they aren't capable to, but because they can be assets in the company as workers for future growth and progress. And while others have the talents and skills to run or manage their own business or company, some should start as workers first in order to gain knowledge and experience so they can be reputable leaders or managers in the future.

I disagree when business people treat their employees like slaves. But the OP's statement that workers are slaves and salary is a bond to keep them working. As DrBeer said, if an employee feels enslaved by the business people then please leave and create your own business. Most people who become employees are those who do not dare to start a business or they do not have enough capital and connections. So being an employee is a choice even though in some companies we can see slavery. Sometimes some people do need a job. And being an employee is also an option even though it cannot make you rich.

We are in modern ages know where everyone know their right so thinking about getting exploited somehow doesn't always happen in work place since somehow people could get immediate help with private institutions since they can get money for working on their companies.

But I understand that there are people don't have a choice but to work with their current job which they really don't like, If they just explore what they can do outside maybe they could find good opportunities that fit for them. Also people have right to resign on their job without getting harm nowadays so those slavery thing doesn't really happen these days. Although maybe they mentioned low salaries job, but they can do something as mentioned creating business if they have courage maybe the best solution but not everyone can deal with it and risk to get out of their comfort zone.

When a business person treats their employees like slaves then this will benefit them a lot and I think an employee who works for a business person like that will certainly always change and none of them last long because the treatment received from their boss is very unfair and there will always be employees who choose not to work with them anymore and look for a more reasonable job.

It is true that everyone who chooses to become an employee is because they have no other choice that they can do to be able to have an income to meet their needs, but there are also those who work as employees until they have enough capital and after that they leave the job to start a business and it is true as you said that of course it will depend on a person's choice whether they want to remain an employee or start their own business.

While I do agree that salaries are not really that high and the working conditions are not that good, I have to say slaves were whipped, beaten, killed, raped and tortured, and we are not. You may disagree that the living conditions we have are good, and you are right we could have a lot better, but that doesn't mean that we are going to compare what we live in right now, to someone who lived just 100 years ago, let alone a thousand years ago.

We are having a much better life, even with a lot of problems that we face today, it's nothing close to what previous generations lived through and that is why we should be happy with what we are having today because it indicates our children and their children will have even better life.

Most of this came from workers protesting of course, back in the day there weren't any weekends, there weren't any child labour laws, there weren't any 8 hour shifts, boss's would work you until you die or you were fired, so we need to remember that for the future to have a better life.

I would agree that getting a good amount of salary will motivate these workers to keep working but pointing out that workers are like slaves, this is a very wrong perception. Everyone that works and receives proper compensation does not fall into slavery, otherwise these managers as well that are working for its company owner will also turn out as a slave.

However, we all know this is is a very inappropriate way of thinking. Everyone is working these days, except for those lazy individuals, so does that means that we are slaves these days?

In the context of a slave is a person who is bought to be employed but the rights and freedoms in his life he cannot have because he is taken away by his master but for a worker in the end this cannot be said to be a slave even though the concept is the same “being employed” but when talking about the rights and freedoms of an employee or employee of course we are aware that they still have that so it is not too suitable if this is said to be slavery.

As for the issue of salary, it can also be said as a bond to keep working but this word is only a rough language because in my opinion salary is included in the rights we have when we have worked and there has been an agreement / MOU from the start where in the end when our obligations have been carried out in this case the work we do, there will be rights that we get in this case is a salary. So by looking at this condition, its actually a symbiotic mutualism where we as employees do need a salary as a tool to strengthen economic conditions and survive in the life we live and they leaders need our services for the business being run so that this is not the same as the concept of slavery.

The approach of identifying all workers as slaves is supposed to be considered, but all workers are not the normal old days’s slaves but modified slaves. That is why they are been giving money as a payment every month, which will make them minimise their needs based on a fixed amount, which is why we mostly emphasise having a budget in our daily lives.
 
But the truth, most be told, is that there is no solution to that; the system has been minimised based on having a job, which is why we have to go and study from the creche continuously to the college, which is the time we are going for that more to the university, and after graduation and having the degree, we will end up with you as workers that get paid monthly.
 
But when you look deep, you will understand that having knowledge goes a long way in life, and you can’t spend that much in school just for the sake of experience; you will have to practice it, and it must be working under an organisation. It might be that the owner of the organisation is even illiterate, so I will also agree that having a job or working under a person for is slavery. 

I do feel it’s inappropriate to qualify workers with such word “Slave”, that’s a huge one and it doesn’t add up to me. I get the go concept of being fed just enough or what your employer feels it’s your worth to keep you under the radar or running the rate race but, not everyone were meant to be CEOs. Also, most CEOs as we have them today had a humble beginning somewhere or grew on what was set for them by their forebears. It’s a cycle of life and you’re sure to find yourself somewhere along its lines. You just ensure you make the most use of it and do the most good only you can do.

No one is a slave for having to work and earn a living. Slavery talks about lack of freewill or freedom but, you always have an option to quit with the least displeasure. You only get to allow yourself work in an unpleasing situation and that’s entirely on you!

This is somewhat true but its the the workers who are actually the slaves, its those which have debt, then they are slaves.

Many people live debt free, they live within their means. They can work whenever they are bored and take time off when they dont want to work, they are free.

Those with debt are different. They live paycheck to paycheck and if they dont pay their bills by going to work they can lose their house, car, etc. They aren't free, they need to work whether they want to or not. This is the difference. My opinion is that debt is slavery and not just being a regular worker.

I’ve heard all my life so many statements like this being made by those “edgy” people and how all of us working a 9-5 are just slaves / rats working for “the man” and that we are just all preprogrammed to do this blah blah blah but I never hear their “solution” to this issue. How are we supposed to live ? What are we supposed to do otherwise..I never hear this. 

Not everyone is able to be their own bosses. Sometimes our only alternative is to work for someone else. I just think everyone should have short, medium and long term goals in mind, so they can adapt such goals to their currently labor life, and vice versa.

That is, to calculate for how long they will need to work in a job they aren't happy with, until having access to another jobs opportunities. Or for how long they will have to be an employee until being able to finally work for themselves.

Sacrifices are needed in the present time, especially if you are young and your career is just beginning. But every sacrifices made right now are necessary in order to reach better life conditions and opportunities in the future. It's part of the process.

The fact people nowadays see work equally to slavery is a common phenomenon among the newest generations. These youngs aren't interested in working, as they were taught since an early age to have a plethora of rights which must be guaranteed to them by society and governments. This concept is part of the globalist culture which has been demagogically spread by organizations such as United Nations to citizens from third world countries.

Instead of motivating people to work and thrive, they encourage people into becoming heavily dependant on the pennies governments offer through welfare programs.

The person who said that made a ignorant statement.... In some countries maybe, but esp capitalist countries this isn't even remotely accurate. Choosing to work for an employer is an agreement. there's no difference between choosing to be your own boss and agreeing to a transaction. And the reality is a lot of people aren't capable of being their own boss, responsible or knowledgeable enough.  this idiotic statement implies anyone profiting from your work is the equivalent to a slave owner but no one is going to help someone for nothing.  the person that said this is obviously a woke, privileged child.

I think that is a majority of the newer generations opinion too... (anti-rich) for example door dash, it's always the employer's fault for not giving a livable wage when the workers agree to that wage...
Personally i think it's just viral bs to bully more tips but they drive around in an air-conditioned car delivering burgers with no requirements... taking a burger from point A to point B.
It shouldn't be a job that gives a livable wage, and it has always been marketed as a side hustle, not a full-time job.
If they collectively demanded more, they would either be paid more or DoorDash would just close.

a person's value is what they "choose" it is. If i "agree" to work for $20 or a even penny, i'm not a slave, it's more like i'm my own boss and my product is time and effort.

You can say regulations and restrictions of different countries set up the conditions that affect your choices but unless you're forcibly being made to work for an amount you don't agree with, workers are not slaves

I get what your saying and no one should ever think that he/she are slaves to any employer of labour, I know alot of people see this from this perspective that working for  people and they paying you peanuts is a waste of time and they take it like they are being used in respect to enriching those persons.

One thing about working for someone aside being paid is that, you gain experience and learn alot of tactics to carry on your own business or company. It's an avenue of learning.tho in the aspect of making one slaves I think its personal self and it's bent on the employer like some really like to stress a workers life just for their gain but it's not that they are enslaving you but they want you to learn from the situation.
And of a truth  salaries are not bond tied to workers to keep them working, I said this because your efforts and inputs is what your being paid for so you worth it.

People have completely lost their bearings. )) You have to think of something like this. No one wants to work anymore and just comes up with pearls of wisdom.
Indeed, let every businessman pay wages at least several times a year without any work done, products, etc. It would be a very funny story. I read all this and I can’t help but feel like I’ve ended up in a parallel universe.

I agree with that, besides getting rewards, we can also get experience and even lessons from things that we have never gotten in school before. In addition, when we want to work based on our own will, we can also try to see how far our abilities are, this is what I did to myself by daring to run away from home and work in someone else's city and that trained my own mentality to be better and stronger in facing life.
In my opinion, a boss who gives a salary is not just a bond for them as workers, but we should be able to appreciate the hard work of others. I myself have never thought negatively like I am a slave when working, because we both need it so this is a normal thing.

No one forces one to work except one's own circumstances, if you don't want to work, improve your circumstances. Companies, job you do — are least to be blamed.

I know people who are having jobs — they are well paid, are given various benefits aside from salary, and work is not demanding either.

Also, 'Be your own boss' has been shoved down a lot lately on social media and I find it cringe.

This is a pretty radical opinion and not everyone will understand it. Before, when I didn't have a family and worked alone, I had a lot of money. It was strange to me that someone says that a permanent job is slavery. But for a family, one such salary is not enough, it is not enough. And then I saw from the prices that I spent all the money on an apartment, food and a wife. And that's it! And then I realized that I was not saving anything at all, and then it felt like real slavery, where I work for food, but I don't know how to save money for a car, travel and to free myself from this!
How good it is that we all have a cryptocurrency world that destroys all these stupid shackles and rules.

In my opinion, your understanding is that you have the wrong way of thinking, if everyone in this world is a boss, then whoever works, everyone is a boss, that is a wrong opinion, life is arranged in such a way, both regarding the economy, mate, work and so on.

A worker doesn't mean a slave, you work for a salary but you are still free to do anything elsewhere and you can still travel anywhere, for me that is not a slave, You work and get paid and get a good economic life in your family. That's life, a sadistic slave, you can't be free like people in general work and get paid.

That's what life, work, salary, boss, rich, poor and so on, the goal is only one to complete, not as a slave, for example: rich people need poor people and poor people need rich people, complementing each other is the purpose of life, if everyone is poor nothing works andIf everyone was rich, of course no one would work and be paid.

A white collar job does not refer to working for someone else, it means an office or managerial type job, as opposed to a blue collar job which is when someone is involved with manual labor. The reality is for most people they often get stuck or at least stay happily content with the first half decent career opportunities that pop up and you can't blame them, as most people are looking for a bit of stability. However that does not preclude them from eventually becoming "free" of the cycle, which is more about controlling incoming and outgoings as much as possible. If you are able to bring in much more income than is going out, then invest it wisely, you have a chance to break away from the mainstream.

That's the real fact, if everyone becomes a boss I don't think their will be people out their to work because everyone has because a boss. The truth is that it is not everybody that have the ability to start up something that can generate money, some people are meant to work somewhere,  to assist an organisation, companies to grow. Their is no arm working under someone , as far as it is ones decision and one is happy as an employee.

So many people try to go into things that can generate money for them but it is something very difficult for some people which they never succeeded but run into lose of money. The best thing is that people should make decisions on what they feel they are capable of doing than to make mistakes that can cause pain at the end.

There are really just those people who are really just that too wanting to deal up with things as if this isnt really that part of a life cycle of a certain human being or person. Of course we would really be needing up to work for us to survive because if you dont work then you wont really be having a salary for you to sustain your living and its something a normal action or approach to have. It is really just that there are people who wants to get out with this kind of cycle or condition on which this is the moment that they will really be doing things on which is more than into those people who had been working so hard for the rest of their lives.
Somehow taking up another step will really be that not simple because it will really be that involving out that risks taking on which we know that this isnt something simple.

If you do really want yourself to be not included into those labors or manpower or being simply an employee then it would really be that needed up for you to work more or dealing up with something
that you could put up yourself to have such chance to make your life more better. As for the talks about if all people would be big BOSS then who are the ones who would really be working into their company?
This is how this life works and its up to you on how you would gonna handle it out and making up decisions according into your preference and liking.

Indeed, literally what exists in this world has been destined and their respective duties with various human conditions that cannot be determined from the moment they come out of a mother's stomach, just as the universe rotates according to its axis, so too humans can be described through views like this, it is not wrong because some people also believe it.

Slave orientation here may be how slaves of the past who continue to be tortured and employed without being given the right to a decent life like now and if you look at the concept of thinking like that then there is no slave sentence that is appropriate for today's company workers, the sentence is too sadistic for now with such views on workers.

Starting your own business is capital intensive, in order to start your own business you need to have capital and you get that capital from working, except if you have inherited funds. There is nothing wrong in working and climbing up the social ladder, you basically have to learn how to raise capital in every job you are doing and in turn use that capital to grow your own wealth, you do not have to do your current job forever, just have a plan on how long you intend to do it and work towards achieving your desires, but you must be very disciplined.

Imagine working an 8 to 5 job and still end up getting peanuts at the end of the month. I used to work as a teacher in a school where I was paid 40 thousand naira a month but I felt like a slave because I was doing more than what I was getting paid for. I had a lot to do, I was even uploading results of students online and I wasn't getting any extra pay for that, I had to quite because I felt used, this is actually a relatable topic if you Ve never experienced this you won't understand

It is not right to say that working is called slavery. Because as far as I know, working and getting paid is not slavery, in living this life we ​​do have to be like that, some are bosses and some are employees.
If that's the case, even though we already have our own business, we are also called slaves because we have to be responsible for our own business. What you have to understand is that slaves are those who are not paid and cannot submit a letter of resignation from work, in other words they work under duress and sometimes get bad treatment, can even be beaten and can also be sold.

If working is called slavery based on what you said in this thread. In my opinion, we are all also slaves to the Government if that's the case, because if the Government asks you to do something, you have to do it or there will be very severe consequences, usually in the form of a fine or even worse. If the Government forces someone to do something, you can just say no, but it will harm you.

If one wants to be successful in life and earn more money then this is the way for him to follow what you are telling.  Because the business brings more money and those who do the job are well paid and have to do all the work in it.  And for that there must be estimation and hard work. If these things are not there, then nothing will count in business.  This is the main reason why many people are afraid of doing business and try to get rid of it and their dream is to make money and they don't even follow it.  If you have a job, use it, but think about it and do business later.  But today's youth do not understand this and are going after a job.They should take their interest in business and spend their time on it and become something for their family.

What you must know is that not everyone is designed to own a company, just as people usually say that not everyone is designed to be rich while others are meant to be poor. The thing is that, at first before becoming a company owner or whatever you must first worked yourself to be in that position before wanting to be in the place you want.

Let me bring it down to our understanding; those who are saying that it's better to work for ourselves than working for people are those who had already gain experience while working people before, so it is that easy for them to become their own boss with the experience they had gain throughout their years of working that is why you see many company saying that before you would be employed they needs about 4-10 years working experience to make sure such person can be able to handle that position they are fixing in that person.

How would someone just rise and become CEO without either working, learning or acquiring the skills to become the CEO they desired. Today many people go to tertiary institution and they some skills after which they may decides to create employment opportunity with their knowledge and skills, while some goes for skill learning such as hand work; this includes hair dressing, tailoring, catering, automobile, mobile, welding and fabrication and so many more. When they finishes these people can set up their business and becomes boss and CEO of their own. 

workers are not slaves in my opinion if it is in accordance with what is produced, if the income does not match what we do and are not even paid, then that is what is called a slave.
Actually, it is a risk if you work with people to have to follow the rules, even though we have a company that also has rules even though we make them

It is true that running a business that we have mastered will give more money compared to working as an employee because as employees the income they get has been determined according to the agreement when they enter work and with the business, of course this will depend a lot on those who run the business and if they can run it well then it is likely to have a big profit as well.
If someone is not ready to start a business, of course they will be more comfortable working for others as employees because in running a business, of course, there will be many things that they must think about so that their business can run well and make profits, and as employees, of course, they only need to think about their responsibilities and do not need to think about many things.
As young people, of course, it will be very good if they think about a business, but if they do not have enough funds to run a business, then they can work first, save and prepare themselves to be able to run a business when they have enough capital.

Let's accept the fact that the reason why we seek for a job is the salary and experience now if you are just new to the industry of corporate all you need is to have at least a job with just low salary it's okay because you need to have an experience now if you have atleast a minimal of it you can now seek a higher opportunity with higher salary that you learned from your previous employment now you have a higher salary and higher position but it doesn't remove that you came from the bottom so you must need to respect others because they are starting too instead of have a discrimination why not help them.
Personally I always seek a job with a work-life balance so I make my self more comfy and energetic in work to prevent burn out and exhaustion of workloads.

When they get their rights in full, it cannot be categorized as slavery, because before they work, they certainly understand what obligations they must do and it is an agreement that they should be aware of. This is a risk for workers who work in other people's companies. Unless they do not get their rights according to the provisions while they are continuously demanded to carry out their obligations, it may be categorized as slavery, although not completely. However, the problem is whether as workers they have done all their obligations, that is the question. Sometimes they only demand rights, but they forget their obligations. We cannot see this from one side only in my opinion, but we must see it from all points of view.

If you are someone who do have a degree and having that kind of sense on whats happening around then you would really be having those kind of realizations that the pay that you are getting isnt really that enough or would really be able to justify into the work that you've done or simply on the job that you are really that having, but since due to lack of opportunities or having that a tough competition in getting a job if we do speak about local jobs then you would definitely be making yourself that accept on the current condition that you are in, despite of being that a very hard situation for you but still it do leaves you no choice.
On the moment that you've seen some opportunity that you could really be able to jump into some better opportunity then you would definitely do it.

We are the ones who do make out such future that we do really have. If you wont be acting or doing something then you would really be just that sticking into the current condition that you are in then there would really be no changes but we know that not all would really be having that kind of mentality on which theer would really be those individuals who would be still keep on searching on something more better.
If you dont really like on having a boss then you would really be going into other path on which you will really be trying out to make some investment or business on which this could possibly be able to make someone
to be successful on which on the moment that it do hits then financial freedom could be obtained and this is something that what everyone wants.

workers are not slaves, the terms slave is different from the terms worker, terms slave is worst you need to do everything for your boss because you are only slave, while in workers there's is a policy thay build by company that need to be implemented to have a peaceful work placed and if you don't like there policy you can quit anytime you are more free. I believe there is a big difference on the slave and workers because i already experience working on company and i don't feel like we are treated as slave there we are just like one family.

Even if we want to be free financially and we don't have the capital to start something or take a loan. We have no choice but to work for someone or an organization so that we can realize the amount we need to start something on our own. There is no two ways about it and in that case, it is not something that we are forced to do it comes willingly even if we are not happy about it. Life events, circumstances, debt, and responsibilities push one to take multiple jobs and businesses just to survive them.

To the employer, the employee is seen as a worker and not a slave since they can decide when they want to quit the job unless there is an agreement of work period. Without that, they can stop the job at any point in time. Within few days the slot opening will be filled by someone else.

It's indeed a wrong opinion but hope you are aware that this is not my idea? Because if you read down, you will see my opinion too towards the issue. I don't agree that people should not work and perhaps it's not the dream of every individual to even become boss. While I was in college, I had a discussion with some friends regarding what they will be doing after concluding the degree program and some said they pray to get a government job so that they can retire at age 60 or after 35 years of working for the government and then start to receive pension. That's to say that so many people doesn't have the dreams to become boss of their own and it's never possible for everyone to be boss because we all doesn't have same mentality and the same ability to keep pushing for a better future.

Workers are not slaves but I think I understand what this person is trying to say. I think he’s referring to people who gave up on their dreams and ambitions working at a job they do not like just to earn a living. You can tell those kind of people from others when you walk into an office. They are usually demotivated and their performance is always low. Not everyone is cut out for the 9-5 life and not everyone can run a business or be self employed.

in work faced with the desire or compulsion to live it like a necessity, which of course is very necessary, it is a choice that must be lived, by seeing them work every day, it is not a slave worker working tirelessly but that is life that is lived.

I understand what OP means, for this issue: considering the example above of your story, that worker can accept for the sake of food and clothing or for the sake of family life or children that he chooses a job to earn money that he does not like or does not have the time and necessary conditions. Even in my country, university graduates cannot find a job in their major, and life forces them to choose another profession to earn a living. That is a forced choice. On the contrary, if that worker chooses a job that is not interesting but has a better salary than their favorite job, it means that the worker chooses and accepts their opportunity to earn money, basically going to work to earn money.

In ancient times, the term "worker" didn’t even exist; there were only slaves. But these days, slaves is not the right term for workers. Maybe some people consider themselves slaves who grind away at jobs they don’t love simply because they have no other options, all in the name of putting food on the table for their families.

But in today’s world, it's different. Most people have access to education and knowledge, and there are laws in place to protect workers’ rights. This is the reason why we strive to study hard in order to get good jobs and make some money because we don't want to work just to survive for the rest of our lives!

You’ve made some excellent points here! 😊 The idea that "workers are slaves" is a bit extreme and doesn’t capture the bigger picture. Working for someone else can be a stepping stone that offers valuable experiences, skill-building, and networking opportunities that are essential for long-term success.

Not everyone starts out with the resources, experience, or knowledge to be their own boss right away. Many successful entrepreneurs have taken the route of being an employee first, learning the ropes, understanding the industry, and even saving up before venturing out on their own.

At the end of the day, it’s all about personal growth, goals, and what you make of your journey. Whether you’re working for someone else or running your own business, the key is to keep learning and growing!

Spot on! As long as you are not being forced to work and you are not being ripped off of your pay, you are not a slave. Some people work because they like it, and they even stay in good jobs, paid or unpaid, and they gain experience. It's their choice. Before you call a corporate worker a slave, that means the person was forced to work and even when the person demanded pay, he or she was not paid against his will.

Someone can become a corporate slave when he is owned by a company or boss but like you said, the boss of the company is nobody's owner. If you are owned by a person, then you need freedom. But if the choice to work was the person's choice and you agreed on a pay and you are being paid and you don't do tasks outside of your job requirement, then you are not a slave.

If someone stays in a company for ten years, it's only wise to ask them what experience is keeping them back in the company. Some people might have a long-term goal or work for ten years and retire. While they are working for that ten years, they are establishing something by the side, and when they retire, they just go full-time into their own business.

Because you don't like white-collar jobs doesn't mean somebody else doesn't like it. Some people enjoy the meetings, getting up on Monday morning, dressing officially, and going to offices. Some people enjoy that. If you don't, it's okay, but it's not appropriate to think people of as slaves because they like white-collar jobs.

I want you to know that majority of the workers or should I say labour workers know about this but you see what you just explain, it has something to do with connection and networking. You can't leave your previous job when you are not assured of the next thing about life. In the western countries where yiu hear a drop is running a multi billion dollars worth company but that's can't work in your place because the system there work better but ours doesn't work like their own due to government negligence and I don't care altitude.

Everyone you see working in a particular place has a dream to further but they don't have the right connection and ways to execute it. That guy you see with the idea of of mobile money has people that support his idea. We have thousands of other people like him that want to do the same but don't have the same opportunity. Just imagine working in a central bank of a country, he would have met alot of people with money and have his connection, not everyone has such opportunities to execute their dreams, so they have to stick to what they have for that time.

I understand exactly what you are talking about.
But think of a circle and you need people to fill every part of that circle.
Some should be employees and salaried, some should be entrepreneurs, each person has their own unique talent.
A person who works in an office for years may be happy, what matters is how happy the person is. If everyone was a CEO, then who would do the other jobs.

If people are told this kind of stuff, I think most economies will crash down!!

A salary should be seen as a reward for the work put in, the expertise rendered to the job, a motivational reward and not in the lines of being a slave!!

This pretty much says everyone that does a 9-5 or 8-5 is a slave and it just sounds wrong! What of company owners that operate in these lines do they also qualify to be called slaves ?? I don't think so.

Lets just work hard and not shy away from 9-5 jobs.

That's right, bro, I agree with you, our fortunes are all different, there are those who become rich in their work, there are also those who are mediocre in their work, our fortune is already regulated by us, it's up to us to live it, it's impossible for everyone to do it. to be very rich, there must be rich and there are also poor, the poor need the rich and the rich need the poor, we all need each other, respect each person's work because we need the help of other people to live, we can't do all the work ourselves, sometimes we need the energy and thoughts of other people to run our lives.

This is ideal life situation but where everyone is aiming to become their own boss but it isn't realistic, if everyone becomes their own boss who will work for each other?



Yes the system has been programmed this way but some people has equally survived from the system and become their own boss ,when you get employed it doesn't mean that you will work their until the rest of your life but should act/be an elevating ground to try to save money to start up your own business, the problem is that when people got employed, Majority usually see that place as where they will work until they retire, which is not supposed to be so.

No matter we are doing what kind of work . The matters , how much we earn from our job or business. Government jobs are good and we enjoy on government job and of someone is doing work under an uneducated person and he is facing difficulties on job . He is on wrong route and he has to change his mindset if he wants freedom in life. OP is right because job is like a slavery and business owner treat us as he bought us for 8 hours. Of someone is doing business, he is on best route and he will be successful one day . You have to do the things what you don't want to do and you can't enjoy life with your life freely because owner disturb us when we are close to his business.

Life could never be a balanced thing on which there would really be those people who are really that rich and there are people who are poor. If all people are rich then whose the one would really be working?
This is why if you do find yourself into that average or poor state when it comes to financial status then you should really be thinking off on how to free  yourself with that 8-5 dayjob.
Can't be able to deny that majority of people or workers are really that working to pay off their debts plus having that bad economic conditions on which it do really make things even more harder to survive on day to day living. This is where people would be dealing up with things since they dont have any choice and this is something that reality that we are really that facing on. There are really just those individuals
who do really trying out to make themselves to add more work and wise decisions and this is why they do came up with those careers on which we know that this could potentially free themselves
on having such state or condition. We are all that bound to work because if we wont work then we wont really be having the money on buying our needs and this is indeed a normal cycle of life.  :)

I totally agree with the opinion as been put forward by the writer of this article that workers are slaves and that salary is just a rope that has been used to chain them up so they can't loose free from the chains of working for for themselves
Infact if you look at it critically just imagine you working in an organization like a bank where you see billions everyday in your work and at the end of the month you are been paid in thousands and it's your efforts that has made sure that those billions come to the bank
It's better you start your own small business or company and you develop and grow it rather than working for a salary that is not even enough for you to solve all your needs in a month

Nowadays, the status of a worker is not only determined by the type of job or salary he receives, but the development of the global economy has changed the needs of the worker in a way that may or may not be consistent with his income. In the past, the needs of the worker were simple and did not exceed the basics of living, such as food, housing, clothing and transportation, which allowed him to control his finances to cover all his needs. While today these needs have developed to include luxuries that can all be classified as recreational needs, such as allocating a budget to save for traveling on vacation, changing his car, or aspiring to buy a second home and a second car. This has prompted many to change their jobs to suit these needs or move to launch their own businesses. It can be said that there is a general disproportion between expenses and income for the majority of workers around the world.

If everyone is a boss, who is the boss? because people who say that "everyone can be a boss" are people who are fooled by motivational speakers or they are already rich, so they don't need to be employees anymore. Because realistically, not everyone has the destiny to be a boss, because being a boss is not only about hard work, being smart, or other things, but it is about one's fortune and luck. And there is nothing wrong with someone being an employee, is there anything wrong with someone who tries to fulfill their responsibilities? and they are not slaves, they are fighters who are building their lives to be better, so never mock these employees by calling them slaves because they need money and they are much better than people who only mock them slaves but do nothing.

Yes, that's right. It seems inappropriate to say that workers are slaves. Because slaves with work are also very different in meaning if our slaves are forced to work even without being paid. If the mindset is like that, I'm afraid all employees will feel like slaves to the company.

Even though we all know that without employees, all companies cannot run. Without civil servants, all governments cannot run, so it is not appropriate to say that work is a slave. Because basically the financial system and media including social media ultimately direct today's humans to have to live like that and they are consciously willing to compete until humans run out of time, they are also fully aware. But I think that's normal because everything still has its benefits, and that's how the world works.

Yes, this is a reality of life that cannot be separated from the finances we experience in this world or in any country. In cases like this we can also see that job choices are often influenced by several factors, including the economy in their lives and the large number of competing job applicants and few opportunities for work. Yes, we inevitably accept these jobs where workers have no other choice but to accept jobs they don't like to support their family's needs, I don't agree with this regarding office workers being slaves.

Yes, it depends on the person whether to take this golden opportunity or not, of course with every big salary there is a target that must be achieved. Not everyone can accept the challenge of a company.

Although those words are not quite right, if we examine further, there is nothing wrong with what the OP said that in certain companies many employees are treated like slaves without any progress in their lives to be able to advance further.

It is true as you said that employees are the main pillars for the progress of a company, but we must also realize that most employees do not have career development even though they have dedicated many contributions to a company.

No body is me mocking employees and as a matter of fact, some person have been employees for a life time and have used their salary to establish themselves and became boss of their own after retiring or completing their years of service at the work place. I am an employee to a bank and I also have my business that am running, lately I just rejected an offer for a part time job in a medical lab because the pay was small, if I had accepted the job offer, that mean I would have been an employee in two companies, if really I am against getting a job and being an employee, I wouldn't want to work for anyone but I am.

Having this type of feeling means that you really hate your job and you are only doing it for money and have absolutely no other reason. I hate that type of feeling, and that is why I quit my last job, and even quit all the jobs before except one where I got fired, which they had right to because I applied for a job that I wasn't qualified for and for some weird reason they still hired me, no idea why they did, but I ended up getting fired after just two weeks when they realized I am way underqualified for the position, but all other jobs I quit because I didn't like the job.

I know you feel like there isn't a job out there for you, and I know not everyone is as luck as me that they have to live on poverty wages until they find something they like, but I did it and now I am working on the greatest job in the world for me, my job is so fun that I would actually do this for free probably, but I would need a job in that case of course.

So always find something you personally love, and you will do fine. I think it will be something that will take a while for you to get better at, and it will be months or years before you get make a good salary from it, but work on it and find the job you love.

It all depends on the settings and the can of job we are doing. There are some jobs that will take the strength out of you without living you with something to save for the future. These kind of jobs can be very tasking and does not give us time to relax and think.abiut ourselves. Professional jobs are different because they are flexible and with lots of time to spend on vacation with allowance to take care of some bills. This also depends on country and the sector of the job. In advanced countries, professional jobs are the best and can take care of some needs having something to save for the future.

Workers are not slaves, it entirely depends on where you work and if the welfare of the staffs are prioritized by the company. Furthermore, there are white collar jobs workers with good pay and not all jobs requires you to go to the office everyday. I've had a job as the ICT manager of a company and I'm only required to be at the office twice weekly(Mondays and any other day I'm needed).

When you can call white collar jobs slavery is when the remissions is not comparable with to the job requirements and staffs are undervalued, ill treated or their salaries delayed consistently.

When people speak in such manner about white collar jobs I literally feel they’re not paid proper IMO. When dealing with private sector we all know there’s no much benefit except they offer huge amount after retirement or else it’s so difficult for anyone to benefit meanwhile government sector is more better due to the high paying rate and retirement benefit. The statement above is wrong because not all workers serve as slave it’s a misconception people try to generalize, if a friend said that there’s no point arguing honestly because the person in  question speaks from experience and currently in a bad economy makes things difficult for low salary earners.

We know that job matters because their are jobs that are paying very well so I won't say that having a job is bad but we still need to get such jobs so that we don't complain, but if you look at their jobs that will drain you and they won't even pay you well, so before you get a job I feel like you have to make enquiry about those jobs before you accept them, so that we don't have to stress each other out. No matter what you are earning is going to be very hard to save because the economy is not even helping issues now so we don't have a choice than just for us to invest what ever you are earning.

Their are a lot of engineering jobs and professional jobs that can even give you more money than you actually expect, you need to spend on your self and also invest it because, bills and the sectors to matter a lot because it is  not all sector pays well so you have to be luck or with your connection so we don't have a choice than to do what will best for every individual.

That is very true, the working class will always be necessary for any company, if it is a fundamental pillar, but I think that wealth and payments on a global level are very undervalued, people who are always employees are not and will not be rich, then the mentality of a person who works for another in a company may have benefits, but they cannot be millionaires, but the owners of the companies are, but why? because simply the owners Appropriated their working capital to form a company where their wealth will be the work of others, where less than the minimum profits are shared with the workers and that is something that is fulfilled at a global level, so we must change that mentality , doing our own business.

The statement that workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to workers to keep them working is a reflection of a particular viewpoint on modern work dynamics. While this might resonate with some perspectives on capitalism and labor relations, it’s important to unpack the ideas behind it and consider various angles.
While the metaphor of workers as "slaves" tied by their salaries captures a certain critique of capitalist labor systems, it overlooks the complexity of modern employment and the potential for reform. Workers do have agency, though the balance of power between employer and employee can vary greatly depending on the system and context. Addressing issues like exploitation, inequality, and lack of freedom is key to creating a fairer and more fulfilling work environment

Things have changed over the years, it is no longer a simple capitalistic outlook. Companies help employees and employees work for the company.
 
If there any alternative? I dont think so. If someone argues that one should try to become their own boss, the simple counterargument is that if everyone was starting their own business who will work under them? No company can run as one man army, it is always a team job and immediately the need for workers come in.

To be honest, this system is like that and its beyond change, we just have to accept it, or else get born in a rich family.

I both disagree and agree with this paradigm because its not exactly true but also its commonly felt in the population as a reflection of inflation over decades now.

Its empirically true that many 'common' workers are less well paid now then mid 20th century workers but at the same time alot of products are cheaper, we benefit massively from technology and also international trade has made many in the West at least better off.  If you are poorly paid think of the mass production you benefit from via an imported cheap labor bonus for yourself.

As a population we are complicit, both victims but also beneficiaries of someone elses cheap labor via all the cheaper products we use.   Typically in the west we suffer most from large cost items like a house, thats a cost thats hard to reduce.  There are attempts to commoditize the building of houses into sections or 'pre-fab' but its not often true right now.

I agree with OP to a greater extent that salaries are meant to be baits to keep workers working till the end of the month then another one is being paid. When I compared the Standard of living today which has skyrocketed. You can't fathom the fact that people are really under a kind of slavery or neocolonialism working for some sort of capitalists out there.

This matter of discussion is mostly related to those working in private companies. In most countries around the world, it hasn't paid them right but plenty of these private company workers do not seem to have any choice of the situation rather than manage what comes to their table.

Thats how life cycle works on which it is really that something that you would really be needing up because on the moment or time that you would really be able to graduate on college, then the primary thing that comes up into your mind is on how to secure a job directly on which we know that there's no other way that you could really be having that startup or headstart on building up your life specially if you do have those kind of targets or hopes on making your own house or would be saving up for your marriage life or whatever the things that you do have in mind. We cant just that able to ignore it out those kind of things and thats why despite on having those kind of bad impressions towards work or simply with that 8-5 job cycle then its something that you wont really be caring that much specially on the moment that you do need up money.

The main thing that comes up into your mind is to have job because surviving on this shit economic status or condition is something that will really be your main priority. Doesnt matter if it would be taking
up all of your time or simply your independence because survival on day to day basis will matter the most. There would really be just that those individuals who would thinking out of the box and this is why they would really be coming up with this kind of extra steps on achieving something that others dont mind of.

When someone has no other choice that they can do of course they have to keep doing the job they have even though the income they get is not enough to meet the current standard of living, because if they do not do the job then they do not have an income that can meet their basic needs. If indeed as a private company you mean not giving their workers inappropriate salaries of course the company is still on a small scale and I think the company will replace the workers it has more often because very few people will survive with inappropriate salaries.