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Is there any particular reason why users like these ones (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5500713.0), who try to "break" cryptography, solve cryptographic puzzles, or simply deceive others into believing they can do these things, have poor English? I've noticed this language abuse only among these, and was wondering if you know of any common factors they might share.

The thread title was my best shot.

It's quite simple. English is a common language but let's not forget that not all countries speak English. If you should check the cryptographic and programming ecosystem you will notice that many of these persons are not even English likely asian or as the case may be. English infact id not even the most spoken language in the world and from my experiences so far many Asians are hardly good at English though they average, they still aren't core English speakers like the British or Scottish.

Take the technical board for example, you will notice that many quality posters there come from non English countries like Russia and even Germany. And we are well aware that these countries speak Russian and German far more than they use English.

Anyways the language of programmers are codes and scripts right?

Edit:
They probably could be alts but I wouldn't say they are since there is no solid proof to that.

A common factor I can relate is the fact that it's either one user or few users from a non-english speaking country that is usually creating this threads. You will rarely see this kind of posts in other forums because they don't have much attention and needs in other forums so since this user/users knows the forum better that's why they keep trying with different usernames.

That's all I can relate with this terrible grammar users

Seem to me like accounts all operated by same individual that could be the only possible reason for the English glitch  ;) theres no other possible reason aside from that. Let's just say he uses  one account to create the topic trying to make others reply or join his discussion. Then see that no one is interested in his blar ;D employs his alts to do the discussion why he replies them...

Same person= same English

Well not all users here have english as their native languange also we dont know the particulars if they did studied english on their school or maybe they arent just as fluent like others.

Well they can improved but having the talent to do cryptography and deeper thoughts on that isnt easy.

That'd be my guess, as posting in English (no matter how butchered it is) would tend to be accessible to a wider audience than using whatever their native language is. 

We used to get all sorts of spam advertisements in threads a few years back, mostly for mens' products, and those were always in English.  I'd say the main section, i.e., everything except the local boards, is the biggest by member participation so I think that would explain it.

I would speculate those people come from same/similar region where English isn't their primary language. But rather than how they speak or write, i would worry whether they talk non-sense, perform scam or share malware. Moderator gmaxwell used to post warning on such threads, for example,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280670.msg55550454#msg55550454 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280670.msg55550454#msg55550454)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375382.msg58639160#msg58639160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375382.msg58639160#msg58639160)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209950.msg53411323#msg53411323 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209950.msg53411323#msg53411323)

Yes, the title even speaks it louder than the body. Well, it's good we take it easy with some people with bad English, I've learned to respect that, our country, education and environment we grew up in may be responsible for that.

If it's a project to pay money for, it's an automatic ERROR for me if I read a single English error. But in a forum like this where money is not required, I believe he has a genuine intention only that he is poor in English. Don't let us forget, a person who is poor in English may be very good in other language(s), and so far the information is well-passed we can ignore the few errors committed.

Let me put it this way. Being poor in communication (English) does not have any limitation on people who have a skill, talent, or are tech-savvy. English is a means of communication and not all countries speak British English or American English fluently.

Actually, the last time I checked most of the nerds and crypto genius who are interested in the blockchain and cryptographic are mostly from Asia, Russia, and Africans. So i do not expect the best English from them.

Not really I think you are putting it the wrong way man. Poor communication necessarily doesn't mean the person can't speak English. Poor communication is a generally possible for any language wheather English or not. The point here is speaking English isn't supposed to be a barrier I certain ecosystems but sometimes it is. However in the case of an ecosystem like programming and crypto technicalities it isn't much of a big deal.

The most spoken language in the world is mandarin Chinese but English on the other hand is more popular. English could be a barrier when you have some level of quality to deliver to certain English speaking audience that's why most non English speakers try to average their grammar.

If we are being completely open minded then that would probably be the most obvious explanation  or speculation (they are people that come from or reside in the same region where English is not the primary language), however the secondary possibility that comes to mind is that maybe all of those particular accounts could be operated by the same person.

You're using proper english so you’re right. Other non speaking English user's are nerd hah!
If this theory is correct then probably most under developed country is china.

N.B - I didn’t mean to harm anyone directly. Just assuming the country name as they have big number of population

Yeah that would be my guess too because the main thing is the knowledge they are trying to pass across and if they've effectively done it but the grammar is not aligning, it's not their fault most times since just like you explained, it's not everyone who is a fluent speaker of English.

My guess: they're from poor countries and think they can make it big on the internet. Phishing emails used to be bad English (or Dutch in my case), but even those spammers are now more professional. That means "the little guys" try elsewhere on the internet, and there are many people willing to do so.

My assumption was OP meant the users who are on the bad side:
I don't mind broken English if the subject is genuine.

Sorry, but judging someone for using poor English isn’t good. There are many users here whose first language isn't English, but they are very skilled at what they do. In the IT world, for example, you don’t need to be great at English to program, but their contributions are huge. So let’s not be judgmental, because for me, English isn’t my native language either, but I try to communicate so that everyone can understand. Remember, this is a big community with people from different countries, so we need to be understanding. As long as it’s understandable and readable, I think that’s fine.

My personal explanation is those people being from relatively poor countries and never received any formal training/classes of how to properly use/communicate in English, so they have tried to learnt it by themselves as the same time they get their "programming and coding" skills shapers through time.

To be fair, it is not only people who have bad intentions on the internet who have a quite low bad level of English comprehension or pronunciation. Remember back in the day, when I was in college I found a very good channel on YouTube which explained very well how to solve specific physics problems, the only obstacle: it was an Indian profesor trying to speak in English while solving the exercise.
In the end, it was helpful.

In the case of this forum or internet in general, I would be extremeky cautious when I stumble with someone offering me some script for my computer or wallet, while displaying a poor English, one cannot help but take it as a red flag.

You have tried your best for the contribution but I will not call those people as terrible grammar users because English Language and programming language for writing script are two different things. We all I know that English is a L2 in 98% in the world and the L1 is 2%. Even the people of England speak another language and tell today the origin of English is still unknown by linguists. Anglophone and Saxophone are still dragging the origin. Now if non English speaking user used the language to write, it will make mistake because English is all about rules and it is not easy for a non English speaker to follow all the rules and when they are using it and since the language is not from their origin, they would mistake either in pronouncing the English words or writing process, and once it happens like that, they would like to use or mix them with their native language and the English became terrible for the English Speaker.

Even in this forum the way The Sceptical Chymist twist words that is different from others which I have seen or known, he follows the rules of grammar and non English speakers can't do that. So when such person is using it to write script, it would becomes a blunder to the English accuracy person. Therefore the puzzle hunters are terrible at that English because they don't know the rules to use.

You already judged by pointing out his poor English. If we try to be fair, we should focus on the content rather than the grammar. There's a saying that your grammar doesn't define your capability, or something similar to that. Even if you're not good at grammar but you can do your job well, you're still skilled. This seems more like a suspicion, but in my honest opinion, there’s no need to create a thread about it unless this user shows signs of a potential scam.

Of course! You can't communicate properly if you don't speak the same language.

You can't focus on the content if the sentences don't make sense.

I'm pretty sure that saying wasn't created with online forums in mind.

In my experience, most people with terrible English aren't "skilled" at what they're posting. And other skills don't really show online.
In most cases, I find the Activity/Merit-ratio to be a reasonable "measure" of someone's "forum skills".

Are we still talking about Krashfire, the OP of the thread that was posted? Honestly, I'm not an expert in English either, but I can understand his posts. Maybe it's just me, but I can grasp his posts—they're short but readable and understandable. In general, you're right; I've also seen some posts with broken English, which might be worse. :)

Yes, I agree with that. Even if the sentences aren't well written but are still understandable, that's fine with me. But that's just my opinion.

This one I agree. (100%)

Another statement I agree with as well. But we can still be good in one area or have an expertise that allows us to contribute to the forum. There are probably members like you with exceptional skills and knowledge, but there are many of us who just want to learn more.

Just to clarify: I don't think the English language is an IQ meter. I just made a strange, for me, observation in those particular users. Nothing to do with their intelligence, and no judging.

Isn't it strange they're only those who try to "break cryptography"? I would expect more bad language in the altcoin board, but those specific ones are, by far, the worst in terms of communication.

They're like a family.  :P

English might not be their second language that's why their English language speaking or writing don't make sense or hard to understand although they have the skills to solve the puzzle. There are people who are best at what they do but poor when it comes to different language. There's also other people who are not good at something but does know how to speak other languages through practice until they knows how. Well, as you may have noticed that many people who has poor English isn't skilled maybe because of poverty or something like that.

I hadn't noticed that pattern. Maybe it's the same guy. I guess it's something that works on gullible people, just like there are still people trying to sell "free energy" (breaking the first law of thermodynamics). And people still invest in burn money on that.

Has anybody noticed this guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3639637) in that thread? It's an obvious alt created only for that thread/discussion.

Account created: June 25, 2024, 01:58:12 PM
First post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5500713.msg64254396#msg64254396) on: June 25, 2024, 02:15:25 PM (in that thread)

Last post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5500713.msg64374512#msg64374512) on: July 30, 2024, 01:16:53 PM (same thread)
Last active: July 31, 2024, 02:41:32 PM

He made a total of 5 posts and all of them were in the same thread.