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Title: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: peter0425 on September 09, 2024, 01:53:37 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: BADecker on September 10, 2024, 10:36:24 PM
Be a good sales person. Start a church, and talk the poor people around you into helping... for a cut, of course.

8)


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Apocollapse on September 11, 2024, 04:17:09 AM
Neither resources or character, but fate.

Imagine you're born in India and unfortunately you're a Dalit aka lowest social class in India, you can only work in sanitation jobs and there's no way for you to change your life no matter how hard you try and work, because you're a Dalit.

Their life is already hard, stop putting more pressure on them, being born poor and dying poor are fates.

Forced by the circumstances of their birth and poverty, Dalits in India continue to work as sanitation workers: manual scavengers, cleaners of drains & sewers, garbage collectors, and sweepers of roads.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Hewlet on September 11, 2024, 07:10:42 AM
The society one is born into plays a great role in determining the outcome of some of these things. Sometimes when you're fortunate to get your life a bit figured out, you might be tempted to assume that those that are poor are iether lazy or that they mismanaged all the funds and resources they hard at their disposal but that's not always the case. A lot of people are poor because they are born into a society that's already poor. Some of us were born into an environment where till we got to 10 years, we never for once saw a car with our eyes. Our definition of wealth was restricted to the kind of people around us and how wealthy they are.

The richest person some of us knew while growing up had about 5 fishing boats and that gave us a narrative that being wealthy is about getting too much fishing boats which has a way of restraining us in a confined space. Working hard in such kind of space will mean that you're just working hard to put yourself among the highest class of people in that society. For others, getting married early enough is what people around them are all about and it's deficult to see above that kind of mentality when everyone around you is thinking that way. If you're in an environment where people are thinking about invention, becoming a millionaire, billionaire, CEO, expert in a chosen field or whatever, you can't help but become one of those things. It supports the saying that goes "if you're among 9 rich dudes, you're the 10th rich person in the room.

You're only lazy and poor when you refuse doing what people in your environment are doing to get ends meet. Thier are a lot of people in that category that are naturally lazy and cold to ceasing opportunity even when it's been presented to them on a platter of gold. Those are the once that always remains stagnant and poor but anyone that's ready to be among the top people in his society and his ready to pay the price and become disciplined enough to push himself to the top, nothing will have the power to stoping such a one from becoming great.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: peter0425 on September 11, 2024, 08:44:33 AM
Neither resources or character, but fate.

Imagine you're born in India and unfortunately you're a Dalit aka lowest social class in India, you can only work in sanitation jobs and there's no way for you to change your life no matter how hard you try and work, because you're a Dalit.

Their life is already hard, stop putting more pressure on them, being born poor and dying poor are fates.

Forced by the circumstances of their birth and poverty, Dalits in India continue to work as sanitation workers: manual scavengers, cleaners of drains & sewers, garbage collectors, and sweepers of roads.
This is unfortunate and I do agree that being born in India especially as a Dalit, there is nothing you can do to climb the hierarchy. It must be so frustrating to not be able to do anything that could help yourself or your family. But there are only 1.4 billion Indians (https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/india-population/) in the world and 166 million (https://minorityrights.org/communities/dalits/) of these are Dalits. I am talking about people from the rest of the world who may have a better shot at getting out of poverty.

Personally I refuse to accept being poor as my fate because it might validate any wrong decision I make about my life.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: CryptoBuds on September 11, 2024, 09:42:51 AM
Neither resources or character, but fate.

Imagine you're born in India and unfortunately you're a Dalit aka lowest social class in India, you can only work in sanitation jobs and there's no way for you to change your life no matter how hard you try and work, because you're a Dalit.

Their life is already hard, stop putting more pressure on them, being born poor and dying poor are fates.

Forced by the circumstances of their birth and poverty, Dalits in India continue to work as sanitation workers: manual scavengers, cleaners of drains & sewers, garbage collectors, and sweepers of roads.

Or if we are unlucky enough to be citizens of a poor country, a country with a corrupt government that does not care about the life and death of its people, or born in countries and regions that are constantly at war due to the bloodlust and cruelty of politicians from other powers. If we are born there, no matter how hard we try, we will never escape poverty.

The saying "Being born poor is not your fault but dying poor is your fault" just wants to remind everyone to always try hard in life, don't give up until you die. No more, no less, it means nothing else.

There are many causes and factors that cause poverty, we need to know what situation they are in, what they have been and are going through. Don't be quick to criticize or look down on the poor and assume that all poor people are lazy and deserve it.
There are many people who are too short-sighted, thinking that because they are talented they can escape poverty and look down on others, but they do not know that the causes of our poverty are not the same.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: DeathAngel on September 11, 2024, 10:31:14 AM
Getting out of poverty is hard but possible, try to focus on education & skill development to improve job prospects. Create a budget to manage finances effectively & ruthlessly save. Seek employment opportunities, networking & mentorship. Try starting a side business to generate additional income. Access community resources & support programs for assistance. Stay motivated, set realistic goals & be persistent in overcoming challenges. Building a strong support system can provide encouragement & guidance along the way.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Fiatless on September 11, 2024, 01:15:36 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.
I know the history of my father and it is clear that it was not his fault that were not rich. He did all he could to make us have a comfortable life, but it was not enough to make us rich. Some parents didn't have much opportunity to get wealth, so you don't have to blame them.

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Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
If you have all the money without a good character you might end up wasting it. That's why many people who inherited wealth or win jackpots end up going bankrupt after a short period. Character like hard work, perseverance, passion, patience, and sound financial management are more important than financial resources.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Hispo on September 11, 2024, 02:24:45 PM
In previous decades, half of my family used to be in poverty, the kind of poverty which forced all my uncles and my father only to have a meal each day, instead of three and live off gathering cocoa pods for a living.
Today my father and many of my uncles are relatively okey, it was education which happened, it made thing different once they got out of college.
I was raised with the idea (I could be right or wrong though) education plays a vital part on getting people out of poverty and making their role in society more important and more meaningful.
It depends also in what country one lives, whether one would be able to apply to get free higher education or only get through high school and then to start to work immediately.
From what I have seen in developing countries, most of them share the same characteristic of having little to none investments into getting people educated, or children are forced by their own circumstances to work and miss out school.

It is a delicate topic, we could continue to talk about it until reaching cases of child labor, modern slavery, sexual exploitation of adults and children and still there would be things to point out.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Obim34 on September 11, 2024, 10:48:35 PM
Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
There are many causes of poverty not just from lack of resources or character, we have to know that not everyone will be wealthy or rich, having the poor masses is something inevitable no matter how good the economy may become.

One major causes aside what you listed is little or no exposure, in terms of knowledge and approach to certain areas. "What a person doesn't know, is what kills him", we get to see a lot of good persons who works really hard but have nothing to account for not basically because they don't know what they do but a bit of enhanced knowledge might be required or a shift from current job to another but based on so many other factors one can aswell not be able to afford ( then come lack of resources). There are alot of major causes but first should be about the knowledge, resources, opportunities then before character.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: asarfiar on September 12, 2024, 02:32:10 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
Being born in a poor family is a big challenging issue in the social system of this world, it is not unusual to blame the family for this. I think being born in a poor family is a curse, because a family that is exposed to any modernity or its members cannot get out of the grip of poverty even if they want to. I have seen many poor families who have made hard sacrifices to reach their goals or are neglected in all aspects of society because they are poor.

But it is also true that many, through hard perseverance and temperance of character, rise out of the extreme curse of poverty and become established. But it is a very small number, what is your opinion about it?


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Sim_card on September 12, 2024, 03:50:02 PM
What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
Getting rich is by fate and destiny and not by resources or character because a poor man can become rich for being educated and during his years in school, his friends and people around him that he mingled with might be the ones that will turn i life around in future. Education does not make anyone rich but it gives you more opportunities to become rich. Good character is very important for all because it brings respect and good name but that does not mean that if you don't have good character, you will never get rich. I have sen some folks who are rude and brag with their riches and they didn't get broke. Good financial management is important for one to maintain his wealth.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: HajiBagi on September 13, 2024, 03:43:21 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

Did you believe in fate? If you believe in fate you will not think of saying some things that you are saying in this post, so you think that parents are the problem of someone being poor or born to be poor, sometimes we have to think before saying something because, being poor is not what someone prays to be and when you're destined to be the part you don't have anything to say or blame anybody for, parents are not to be blamed for someone being poor because we don't know what they go through and if to become rich is an easy thing no any parents will want to be poor.

For anyone to think that being poor is the parents' fault then why can't he or she also work hard to change the family background, is not easy to become a successful person in life that is why some people will try their best to work hard and make money but if they are not destined to have money or become rich in life they will never have it even if they went and do a ritual because of money they will never have if they are not destined to have it, so let us not blame anybody for being poor.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: uchegod-21 on September 14, 2024, 04:27:46 AM
What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
I think character has nothing or little to do with getting rich. I have seen rich people with rotten character and it didn't affect them and neither did it stop them from being rich. I am yet to acknowledge the place of character in getting rich. Maybe it can have a place in maintaining wealth but not in acquiring.

If you want to get out of poverty, learn many new skills and earn more, save and invest.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Rockstarguy on September 14, 2024, 09:07:48 AM
Getting out of poverty is hard but possible, try to focus on education & skill development to improve job prospects. Create a budget to manage finances effectively & ruthlessly save. Seek employment opportunities, networking & mentorship. Try starting a side business to generate additional income. Access community resources & support programs for assistance. Stay motivated, set realistic goals & be persistent in overcoming challenges. Building a strong support system can provide encouragement & guidance along the way.
It is very important to acquire all these because it will definitely add good financial value. To be free from poverty one needs to be ready to grab opportunities by possessing not just education but different skills. Another factor that can be hindrance to be free from poverty is the environmental factors, it plays so much role in becoming rich or poor.

When you are in the right environment where their are good opportunities you don't need to struggle with your business or to get job. It is important for people to be very conscious if the environment is giving what they really want, if the environment is not playing that good role financially.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: michellee on September 14, 2024, 12:58:18 PM
They are too lazy and not want to change their life to better although they have enough resources. They are satisfy with what they have without want to change their life. They are hard to moves from their comfort zone into discomfort zone because if they work hard and smart, that means they will be on the discomfort zone.

If they can use their resources and have determination and perseverance and willing to work hard and smart, they will success to change their life. They can prevents the laziness and don't mind if they moves to the discomfort zone because they know that is need to change to better. They have dream to get better like other people so they will not give up when they meet a difficulty.

They consider the difficulty is a challenge for them to keep trying and reach they want. They should have character to build their minds to have a positive think so they can search for the resources around them. After that, they can decide what they want to do and use all of their ability to change their life.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Apocollapse on September 15, 2024, 12:25:41 PM
Personally I refuse to accept being poor as my fate because it might validate any wrong decision I make about my life.
Definitely you shouldn't think like that.

I'd say what I said above is for public, since that's the reality. We might not able to achieve our dreams if we're lack of basic needs, yeah there's a chance, but it's like only one person from 100K poor people achieve it.

For ourselves, we should keep in my mind if we should try until we die, even we didn't achieve it, but at least we wouldn't regret with what we do in our life.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: bestcandy on September 15, 2024, 12:35:36 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
I think character matters most than resource because even you have the resource without a good the can be misused but with a good and reliable information resource can be adequately utilized.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Ucy on September 15, 2024, 02:51:31 PM
In the World's system good character (not talking about fake good characters) doesn't matter at all. You can be rich with bad characters. No one in the world has good character, they are all bad but appearing good just like genetically modified foods look so good but are really not. Despite that, people still buy lots of them thereby making their producers rich, but that is not true riches since it is ill gotten money which the owners do not deserve, but have it anyway. Their riches are in negative because what they have do not belong to them. They are actually in debt as it's more like living on borrowed money which they will have to pay back else they are sent to prison, but not necessarily earthly one.
Now, those with actual good characters are not in the World's system. They produce good things and may not be making money off them, but they are rich in knowledge, wisdom and understanding which is very important factors that guarantee riches and its sustainance


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Marykeller on September 15, 2024, 05:07:02 PM
What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
You can still have the good character or the resources and still find yourself hovering around poverty. Being out of poverty depends on the kind of clique of friends you have, how intelligent and exposed you are in learning new skills, the skills acquired, and leaving your comfort zone to a new place to hustle for the betterment of the future. Staying in your comfort zone for too long can make someone remain poor, or limit their financial growth. However, it is advised to link up with friends, learn new skills, be open to learning new things, invest in Bitcoin or real estate


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Zoomic on September 15, 2024, 06:34:11 PM
But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?
Sometimes the only barrier preventing most of these persons who were born poor from breaking out of poverty is their mindsets. It is very common to see poor people with a limiting mindset. They have lived all their lives in their poor state in their poor community. They just believe that certain achievements are meant for the rich people. Even when opportunities are brought before them, they might not utilise that opportunity efficiently to give them a successful life. Only few poor people with positive mindsets are able to recognize opportunities when they see one and help themselves break out of their poor state. You cannot take a poor person with a limiting mindset out of poverty, they will still go back to their poor state which they feel comfortable in.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: uneng on September 15, 2024, 06:39:11 PM
What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
The duality between resources and character can be translated into environment and subjectiveness. Each of us is a complex fusion between both elements. We can't consider only one aspect and completely ignore the other. Everything you do affects your environment somehow, and everything happening in your environment affects your subjectiveness somehow. This process is constantly happening in real time.

It's up to you to work in order to balance this process in your favour, aiming homeostasis. If it's achieved, you will reach your goals, which in this case, consist in reaching financial freedom. There isn't a default recipe, though. The process is unique for each of us, and probably fluid. That means you have to constantly adapt yourself to the current demands reality present to you, through your subjectiveness or through the environment around you.

In conclusion, it's important to have both. It's essential to find balance between both.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: knowngunman on September 16, 2024, 11:15:41 AM
Be a good sales person. Start a church, and talk the poor people around you into helping... for a cut, of course.

8)

 ;D ;D This is what is happening in Africa continent. Poor people are enriching the richer pastors by following what their pastors are telling them about sowing a seed. It's very pathetic!

Op, do you really think character has a role to play in taking someone out of poverty? I doubt that. Resources may play a significant role but not sure of character. From your post, I noticed how you contradict between both scenarios and that's just the fact. In as much as certain individual actions influenced the class they belong between rich and poor, the bottom line is that it's a divine and not necessarily as a result of your efforts. And of course, you can not just be idle waiting....you must play your role too even if you are destined to be rich.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: o48o on September 16, 2024, 04:43:44 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
Lack of resources, and those resources can be way more complex then you first would think. Where you get to born is a resource, your health is a resource, and sometimes that's something you can't fix by money. People you know can be your resources. Your intelligence is resource, and you can train it up only some levels. Your vision, height, parents, grandparents, air you breath, economic situation, healthcare, infrastructure of your country, education, the way your parents raised you or messed you up... Being in a right place at the right time. Your values, your energy and your luck

Those are all resources or lack of resources, depending what cards you have been given. Of course it's unhealthy to keep seeing as oneself as just a victim of circumstances and stop trying. And many people do try, not only to get out of poverty but to grow as persons. That itself is worth celebrating, not he outcome. And blaming people for being poor is just sociopathic thing to say. It's impossible for us to be emphatic enough to fully understand what others are going trough and all the situations they had to deal in their own way, just to stay alive.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Xril2024 on September 16, 2024, 05:03:12 PM

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

This may be due to their character because those who are very lazy do not do their work on time.  Or they can't be serious about anything.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: PonderingCuriosity on September 16, 2024, 11:18:45 PM
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I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character

You forgot the third thing: intelligence. Some people are just not smart enough. Just like there are people who are too naturally lazy, irresponsible and neurotic, there are people who are just too naturally dumb to hold high-paying jobs. It is uncomfortable to read, but it is a sad truth of our life, and a pain in the ass for both progressives and conservatives: for progressives because it refutes their environmentalist dogma, and for conservatives because it refutes their belief in hard work and dedication as a source of success.

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What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

Character (and intelligence) makes it more easy to obtain resources but not the other way around. People who suddenly won an astonishing amount of money in lotteries go broke way more often than people who earn the same amount of money in their business. How so? The people who own successful businesses do have character and intelligence to manage their money, and the people who win lotteries generally don't.

If you're a member of a group that possesses both character and intelligence, it is easy to gain resources to invest them to gain even more resources later. Ashkenazim Jews have been suffering persecutions everywhere in Europe yet they have always achieved high social and economic status despite being the №1 most hated ethnicity on the planet.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2024, 12:10:20 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

Are you in any way saying we have to blame the parents for being born poor or being born in a poor background? Because I don't seem to get it.

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I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

No matter how your character is either good or bad if you are destined to be rich you will be. We have people who have good character but they are poor and we have people who have bad character and they are rich which ever way it goes. Some people don't have that luck of getting rich no matter how hard they hustle it will still end where they started. I don't think getting rich is like a button that you press and you become wealthy over night, this is how we are to be some get rich some get poor, haven't you seen a situation where a rich man eventually becomes poor and the poor becomes rich? Is like a switch and we don't need to blame anybody for being poor or brought up in a poor family or by a poor parents, that's life, there are things we can't fight against and poverty seem to be one of them.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Die_empty on September 17, 2024, 12:58:44 PM
What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
Both of them are important. You need resources to start your path to riches but you need character to sustain your wealth. The reason why people in rural areas in my country are poor is because of a lack of resources. Refugees in camps have slight chances of becoming successful because they don't have access to necessary opportunities. There might be people with good character in all these underprivileged areas but they will continue to live in poverty because of lack of resources.

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
I think character has nothing or little to do with getting rich. I have seen rich people with rotten character and it didn't affect them and neither did it stop them from being rich. I am yet to acknowledge the place of character in getting rich. Maybe it can have a place in maintaining wealth but not in acquiring.

If you want to get out of poverty, learn many new skills and earn more, save and invest.
Acquiring wealth without character has its consequences. It might lead to some misbehaviours which can destroy the fortune of the person. The bad characters of of R. Kelly, Huw Edwards, and Adam Britton, led to their downfall. It is better to pursue and acquire both of them.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: AYOBA on September 17, 2024, 05:06:10 PM
The reason why some people’s keeps staying in the poverty is that, if we observe some  they where born in the poverty and anyone who grow from the poorly family are the most people that face a lot of difficult in life, because they just grow and find their self in the poverty till some peoples build them self by making their so better; and this kind poverty normally popular in the rural areas, their are lack of so many things like resources.

This life is all about destiny their some people’s that they risk their life just to become rich, and if avid has never ready with them it will never happen till end of their life; some people’s is through their daily hustle they eventually become rich.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Roseline492 on September 18, 2024, 08:42:56 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

Being poor in most cases is not the fault of the parents because you may not no what they have gone through in making sure they became successful in other to better the lives of there children, so firstly before judging in that regards we should also no that privileges that exist now was not there during there time of youth and in some places there only source of livelihood was through farming and there was no much better opportunities for them to go into other things, though there are parents that had better opportunities that would have possibly change there lives but they allow it to sleep through there hands but however I believe that if things were to be like this during there time majority of them would have been very successful because they were even more hardworking than this era, so perhaps since our parents was unable to provide us with all the necessary things at least we should  make an effort to make things different and create another chapter for ourselves.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Marvell1 on September 19, 2024, 09:04:03 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

Being poor in most cases is not the fault of the parents because you may not no what they have gone through in making sure they became successful in other to better the lives of there children, so firstly before judging in that regards we should also no that privileges that exist now was not there during there time of youth and in some places there only source of livelihood was through farming and there was no much better opportunities for them to go into other things, though there are parents that had better opportunities that would have possibly change there lives but they allow it to sleep through there hands but however I believe that if things were to be like this during there time majority of them would have been very successful because they were even more hardworking than this era, so perhaps since our parents was unable to provide us with all the necessary things at least we should  make an effort to make things different and create another chapter for ourselves.

No one has the right to choose to be born into a poor or rich family, everything is created by nature. If we are unfortunately born into a poor family, that is our fate, do not blame our parents or anyone else.

Criticizing our parents just because our family is poor is bad behavior because no one wants to be poor and their children to live in poverty. Our parents worked hard and sacrificed their whole lives to give us the best life possible, but escaping poverty is not as easy as we think. Those who blame their parents should break free from the safe arms of their parents and become independent. They will realize that making money is extremely difficult, let alone becoming rich.

@OP, if you think your parents are the reason you are poor, what have you done to escape poverty and have you helped your parents? Are you married and have you provided a comfortable life for your children? Or are you also struggling with life and still dependent on your parents for support?


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: SmartCharpa on September 19, 2024, 12:02:26 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

I don't know where you're from, but in my country, it's not easy to come from a poor family and you must battle for yourself to develop your life and make sure you didn't end up like your parents. This isn't just about having resources or good character. Being poor and dying poor is not one fault. However, we cannot change what happens to us in this life, which is why some people end up having a terrible life, their destiny from God is to remain poor throughout life, but they refuse to accept it, and they are willing to do whatever it takes to make money, whereas others will join a bad gang just to make money, but at the end of the day, they remain poor no matter how much they work.

Furthermore, have you ever come across someone who becomes lazy when money is involved? I've never seen someone who is lazy when it comes to making money because even wealthy people don't joke about money, it's simply that those who aren't intended to be rich will never be rich no matter how hard they work.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Lida93 on September 19, 2024, 10:52:35 PM
But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?
Sometimes the only barrier preventing most of these persons who were born poor from breaking out of poverty is their mindsets. It is very common to see poor people with a limiting mindset. They have lived all their lives in their poor state in their poor community. They just believe that certain achievements are meant for the rich people. Even when opportunities are brought before them, they might not utilise that opportunity efficiently to give them a successful life. Only few poor people with positive mindsets are able to recognize opportunities when they see one and help themselves break out of their poor state. You cannot take a poor person with a limiting mindset out of poverty, they will still go back to their poor state which they feel comfortable in.
I agree with you mate. It takes defeating poverty first from the mind before we start manifesting those attitudes and actions of changing our physical status. Most poor persons have a low self-esteem which has eaten and  filled them with fears and anxiety to do and go the extra length in climbing up the pyramid to the top.

There people that are not just physically poor but mentally poor  that they feel very comfortable about their present state it doesn't disturb them that they are poor, as in, they are satisfied with whatever little that cross their path never seeing a need to dare for more. There's that fear to take risk, they just believe they've already failed even before trying to take up the risk opportunity that could change their life so need not be that they even try.



Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Richterdark on September 20, 2024, 08:21:16 AM
You have to work and fight for yourself and your loved ones, there is no other way. The world is cruel.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: LucyFurr on September 21, 2024, 09:28:41 PM
You have to work and fight for yourself and your loved ones, there is no other way. The world is cruel.

I can see thousands of people doing the same which is working hard for their entire life but still they are not getting out of this financial trap so work hard and become rich is just a big fat lie that we have been told all these time.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Ndabagi01 on September 22, 2024, 04:57:29 PM
What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

From your explanations, both are of good example and they can add up to the financial benefit of one in this life. But my judgement on all of this after my own diligence knowing and research about getting yourself out of a situation like the subject matter we are discussing, it all falls down to information and connection, if you’re well informed and get the right knowledge, you’ll make it far in this life and you’ll wonder how things will begin to work in your favour. This is not something that you need to think too much about because it’s plainly seen and obvious around us. The rich continues to get richer because of the information they have and connection. While the poor and middle class that don’t have those things will either remain the way they are or get to live a little bit around the financial circle they find themselves in.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Sender78 on September 23, 2024, 07:41:15 AM
Fight for yourself, fight!


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Kelward on September 23, 2024, 12:53:10 PM

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
Being rich and having so much wealth goes beyond resources and character, you might have all the necessary tools and ability and still remain poor. Your environment matters a lot when it comes to acquiring riches and becoming wealthy. You can have the ideas and character to build wealth but without an enabling environment to make it work the person might not excel or bring out his full potentials. We have a lot of talented individuals with dreams that can transform their lives and impact their environment and country but bad leadership will not make them to actualize their dreams.

Most people are poor in Africa, because their leaders don't have visions, imagine living in a country where there is no constant electricity, no good roads, no portable water, insecurities everywhere and their leaders are busy embezzling public funds. I think that it's easier to make it in countries where there is peace and prosperity, where there is conducive environment to harness ideas and make it to work. If you have the resources, skills and the right mindset you can become rich easier than people with the same requirements in underdeveloped countries.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Yucky on September 23, 2024, 04:03:24 PM
Neither resources or character, but fate.

Imagine you're born in India and unfortunately you're a Dalit aka lowest social class in India, you can only work in sanitation jobs and there's no way for you to change your life no matter how hard you try and work, because you're a Dalit.

Their life is already hard, stop putting more pressure on them, being born poor and dying poor are fates.

Forced by the circumstances of their birth and poverty, Dalits in India continue to work as sanitation workers: manual scavengers, cleaners of drains & sewers, garbage collectors, and sweepers of roads.
Even if you are born into a poor community or poor home, that is entirely not your fault. But getting stuck in that mindset and mentality that it is your fate to be poor is not proper at all.


To break free from poverty of any sort, you have to break free from your mindset. You have to tell yourself that you are worthy of good things and that in this life, you are going to work towards good things and you are going to magnet good things.

There is no where it is written that certain people are supposed to be poor and certain people are supposed to be rich. So when you find yourself in a community that is poor, there are ways you can break free. Now, tech is the new gold. You can learn a tech skill, as long as you have a laptop and you have access to light and internet, you can work remotely for any country.

It may be a bit tough starting up to break free into the tech world, but when you keep trying, you are going to eventually get your breakthrough. It is this poverty mindset that is getting a lot of people stuck. The mindset of what we are meant to be, nobody is going to accept me, I'm from this part of the world. Trash that mindset and affirm positive things for yourself

It is the mindset that is killing a lot of people. So, get a tech skill. Besides, Bitcoin doesn't even know where you are from. When you are able to invest in cryptocurrency, it doesn't know where you are from. Even airdrops, participating in airdrop projects, it doesn't know where you are from. You might start off broke and struggle, but when you are intentional about it, you will make it.

So, first, fix your mindset. You are not born to be poor. It's not your fate to die poor. Second, get up and get doing. Get a skill, learn it, perfect it, sell yourself online. Nobody is restricting anybody from marketing their skills online.

Do investment, invest in crypto, invest offline, and let's see if you won't be richer than people around you. So, change your mindset. Start with mindset.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Accardo on September 23, 2024, 05:14:22 PM

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Being rich and having so much wealth goes beyond resources and character, you might have all the necessary tools and ability and still remain poor.
Inheritance is what made most rich people who they're today, making money from scratch is not simple. And it's not one person's journey to be rich, a family or even tribe is needed to grow wealth. For example, the Rothchild family have been controlling finance for decades or century, and every member of that family enjoys riches, which have existed before they were born.

Hence, if anybody wants to build wealth they are meant to consider it a family business, that'll be bestowed on his descendants. However, people suffer hardship, because their one time rich parent didn't initiate them into learning his trade.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Samlucky O on September 23, 2024, 07:28:14 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.
If you don't trace the root cause of your parent poverty and make a change, you may likely die poor as well.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.
The truth is that everyone has different Destiny, if you fail to find your destiny you will keep on trying countless times in a wrong direction. Sometimes people are patient in what they do without knowing that is not the right thing to do. You may ask how can we know the right thing to do? What ever we do effortlessly and make money is our destiny. direction, one of the way of getting out of poverty is to know what you are good at.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?
There are many factors that can cause such a thing
1) Lack of financial management
2) laziness can be a cause
3) lacks manner of approach in terms of business
4) spiritual problems

In all I believe mostly in the number 4 because the  spiritual controls the physical. People usually neglect spiritual problem not knowing that if a generation of family is cursed, no matter what people do if the spell is not broken, no matter the effort you try you can never succeed.



Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Megaboss12 on September 24, 2024, 01:06:55 PM
Yes! Conscious and determined effort can make one ascend the strata of life faster, but this is not to say that one can not make deliberate effort passionately and find oneself at the lowest strata. It's best to put great deal of efforts towards climbing, as it is more probable to grow that way than when doing nothing. Environment affects ones mental inclination and mental inclination determines where one focuses ones energy.... Energy channelled in the right direction must yield tremendous results.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: FinePoine0 on September 24, 2024, 03:35:18 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

Usually you will notice that those who have only good mindset are not basically possessing much wealth.  But most of the rich people are of cruel type, because their mood is always curmudgeon. But people are not born poor because they are victims of circumstances that force them to be poor.  Because a person cannot be rich if he earns more and his expenses are more than that.  But the writing of Niyat A person who gives priority to his fate always strives towards honesty.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Kcrypto18 on September 25, 2024, 02:49:48 PM
While it's important to have the proper resources and a good character (mental mindset, determination, etc.), sometimes it also comes down to luck. You can have two individuals who have similar resources and are both hard working, but maybe only one will make it out of poverty because they were at the right place and time to receive a life changing opportunity. Perhaps having the right resources and character traits can increase your chances of having these opportunities, but luck also plays a role.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Tamaj on September 29, 2024, 07:43:56 PM
Is it really necessary that every one will be rich all over the globe? Absolutely No! Not all right, then the world should help the poor to be poorer and help the rich to be richer .
When one wouldn't want to come out of poverty but prefers begging, what will anyone do about that, is to let that sleeping dog lie in pieces.
As for me l don't even know that person poverty and we are enemies from the creation of the world. So he should stay farrrrr! From me.
However, think big and plan big, tell yourself  you can come out of poverty and work towards that and before you new it, boom! You are making head ways.
It is one's decision to make it in life, no one will help you if you your self is not ready to help your self.
It is all about working add. Add work .


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: passwordnow on September 29, 2024, 08:57:56 PM
Character is what makes people go far. Because if someone has a good character, opportunities will come left and right and that's how that person will start to have resources. It's understandable that many are lack of resources and they can't start out to make their lives better but with that problem and how to deal with it comes with a good character and way of taking it. I have also met a lot of people with various thoughts about this and that. They say that a helping hand is needed for someone to get out of povery but the others are proving that they need no one but only themselves to reach their success. No one is wrong with those thoughts and actions that we do really speaks on how we are with this problem that many are dealing with.

While there can be instances that someone who has both resources and character have tried but still ended up badly. Maybe that's fate. They give up because there's no sense of what they're doing and they get tired easily. Well, as they say "winners don't quit but losers do". In life, whichever you have for the choices, character or resources, be at your best shape trying to beat your former self. But that's my idea on how to start with if you're from the bottom line and you have nothing but only yoursef, your best character.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: FinePoine0 on October 01, 2024, 06:15:03 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.




Usually the creator is born in the place where the appropriate great creator is.  Because man is not in want from birth but man faces want when he starts earning himself, so if you have good work and always have knowledge then surely your sorrows will be removed.  If you can work hard you are never sad you look at a disabled person.  Notice them they are born in a rich house but cannot walk or move so if health is right then it is the most valuable wealth and happy people.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Glen Hoddle on October 05, 2024, 11:33:23 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.




Usually the creator is born in the place where the appropriate great creator is.  Because man is not in want from birth but man faces want when he starts earning himself, so if you have good work and always have knowledge then surely your sorrows will be removed.  If you can work hard you are never sad you look at a disabled person.  Notice them they are born in a rich house but cannot walk or move so if health is right then it is the most valuable wealth and happy people.


Yes poor is the person who fails to work hard, lazy person always face difficult situation.
 If he works hard at present he will never be in want, want will not cling around him, only by hard work can any man turn the wheel of his fortune. 
Success in life can be improved only through hard work and strategy to deal with this difficult situation.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Zanab247 on October 06, 2024, 04:57:12 AM
Quote from: Kcrypto18
While it's important to have the proper resources and a good character (mental mindset, determination, etc.), sometimes it also comes down to luck. You can have two individuals who have similar resources and are both hard working, but maybe only one will make it out of poverty because they were at the right place and time to receive a life changing opportunity. Perhaps having the right resources and character traits can increase your chances of having these opportunities, but luck also plays a role.
When you have resources and good character , it will make you to be different from other people in that society because it take a good man to gather money in the society to build up such resources that will add value to the society, and it will make other people to follow the steps that made the person to acquire the resources and good character. I have seen many people like that but if you look very closely among the two people doing the same business and they are not earning the same profits, you will know that there is a little difference among them.

To become a successful person in the society, is not an easy Job because you have to plan your life well before you can overcome the poverty that is affecting other people around you, and if you have potential resources across your society and good character, it will be easy for you to eliminate poverty easily.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Solosanz on October 06, 2024, 09:14:45 AM
When you have resources and good character , it will make you to be different from other people in that society because it take a good man to gather money in the society to build up such resources that will add value to the society, and it will make other people to follow the steps that made the person to acquire the resources and good character. I have seen many people like that but if you look very closely among the two people doing the same business and they are not earning the same profits, you will know that there is a little difference among them.

To become a successful person in the society, is not an easy Job because you have to plan your life well before you can overcome the poverty that is affecting other people around you, and if you have potential resources across your society and good character, it will be easy for you to eliminate poverty easily.
There are many people with good characters, but rich people are having at least one or all of three dark triad, because people with good characters almost have no chance to be rich. Good people will forgive someone who make mistake, donating their money for other people who're in need, don't mind if someone talk bad about you even you did nothing wrong etc.

If you think rich people are having a good character, better to think twice, you're just don't know their real personality.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Hispo on October 06, 2024, 11:17:17 AM
There are many people with good characters, but rich people are having at least one or all of three dark triad, because people with good characters almost have no chance to be rich. Good people will forgive someone who make mistake, donating their money for other people who're in need, don't mind if someone talk bad about you even you did nothing wrong etc.

If you think rich people are having a good character, better to think twice, you're just don't know their real personality.

It would be stereotypical to assume all rich people have the same bitter character and they are cold-hearted. Though, I must agree with you when you point out having the correct personality would not be enough for someone to get out of poverty in most of the developing countries in this planet. One as member of society also needs things like education and starting capital, a job and saving before start investing on whatever we believe to be necessary for us to improve our status and life quality.
Personality and good character helps but they are not all one needs to advance forwards success.

Also, there are some studies which find the new-rich does not stay rich much time, since they dont know how to retain their capital and only focus on spending, therefore so many lottery winners end up bankrupt..


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Roseline492 on October 07, 2024, 05:14:20 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

Being poor in most cases is not the fault of the parents because you may not no what they have gone through in making sure they became successful in other to better the lives of there children, so firstly before judging in that regards we should also no that privileges that exist now was not there during there time of youth and in some places there only source of livelihood was through farming and there was no much better opportunities for them to go into other things, though there are parents that had better opportunities that would have possibly change there lives but they allow it to sleep through there hands but however I believe that if things were to be like this during there time majority of them would have been very successful because they were even more hardworking than this era, so perhaps since our parents was unable to provide us with all the necessary things at least we should  make an effort to make things different and create another chapter for ourselves.

@OP, if you think your parents are the reason you are poor, what have you done to escape poverty and have you helped your parents? Are you married and have you provided a comfortable life for your children? Or are you also struggling with life and still dependent on your parents for support?

Thank you for that question because that was what I forgot to ask the Op earlier because if he believes that his parents was the reason why he is poor he also should have try and become rich because during the time his parents was young I believe that they had nobody to depend on financially because they were struggling on there own, so is very wrong for him to have that mindset against his parents, perhaps I don't think he is married already if not he would have understand and besides there is nothing wrong for him to work hard and make sure that his children never go through any form of poverty as he claims to be.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: programmer3666 on October 07, 2024, 08:15:07 PM
Be a good sales person. Start a church, and talk the poor people around you into helping... for a cut, of course.

8)
The church investment is a growing thing globally, a young man will know a couple of pages from a bible and few months later he claims the Almighty himself calls him.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Cityhunter34 on October 08, 2024, 10:09:16 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
Before I say anything on this first of all I'd like to think that the character you are referring to could be;
Self-discipline
Hard work
Determination and
Resilience

Some people fall to be successful even with the right resources because they lack the character of handling a certain amount of resource, let's me go with "money" as the resource here. I've seen a lot of people misuse their funds/resource and end up being poor and broke at the end now here's where self-discipline comes in as the character.

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?
From my observation and experiences so far I think that resources and character are both needed and equally important because resources without character could make anyone squander them due to lack of self-discipline and determination, and character without resources could lead to frustration. I'd say that it's the interplay between resources and character that defines our journey to a successful life, however, character takes the lead role because it shapes our perspective and fuels our passion to greatness.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: passwordnow on October 08, 2024, 10:18:21 PM
The church investment is a growing thing globally, a young man will know a couple of pages from a bible and few months later he claims the Almighty himself calls him.
That is sad and to be honest, many sees it this way. While I believe in faith and I have my personal devotion, there really are those people that are taking advantage of others being naive and tells that they're the ones that are sent from the above. It's happening in every parts of the world and that's how they're making themselves rich. I'm not going to say any name at all but if someone out there searches them out, a lot will pop out of their results and they can start from one until all the results of it. As they say this with the name, if someone wants to be rich, they can start their own religion.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Zackz5000 on October 09, 2024, 07:14:27 AM
Getting out of poverty is not really easy expecially for those that came from a very poor background but it is possible but usually difficult to still get out of poverty if hard work and determination is involved.

There are things that usually make people to still remain in there poor state one of it is procastination the act of not doing it now but later and still not do later but the next day just like that that is how you are missing out opportunity of doing something better that will generate you income on daily basis.

Somany that could have got out of poverty who has good idea of doing something profitable but has no body to support them financially, and sometimes getting out of poverty required grace and luck if not it is not always easy getting of poverty expecially for those who don't have supporters.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: 348Judah on October 09, 2024, 08:36:01 PM
I have learnt about one thing in life, to get out of poverty of never easy, but going into it is what can easily come without us having to invite it, poverty is not what is permanent, and to say it all, this is something that has to be done with our personal determination being made, if we are set to get out of been poor, then we are going to triumph in such pursuit because we are set for it and will not condole anything challenges that may want to send us back to where we came from.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: BADecker on October 09, 2024, 08:50:52 PM
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Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Marvell1 on October 10, 2024, 12:50:32 PM

@OP, if you think your parents are the reason you are poor, what have you done to escape poverty and have you helped your parents? Are you married and have you provided a comfortable life for your children? Or are you also struggling with life and still dependent on your parents for support?

Thank you for that question because that was what I forgot to ask the Op earlier because if he believes that his parents was the reason why he is poor he also should have try and become rich because during the time his parents was young I believe that they had nobody to depend on financially because they were struggling on there own, so is very wrong for him to have that mindset against his parents, perhaps I don't think he is married already if not he would have understand and besides there is nothing wrong for him to work hard and make sure that his children never go through any form of poverty as he claims to be.

If he doesn't try and can't become rich, his children will also find ways to blame him just like he blames his parents. As parents, no one wants their children to live in misery, and things will get worse if we don't understand our parents and blame them. He will soon understand and feel what his parents are going through when he has children.

I see people like to discuss how to get rich and like to give advice to others on how to get rich but we have to admit that getting out of poverty and becoming rich is not as easy as we think, and i guess none of us are getting rich. So instead of blaming our parents, we should thank them for sacrificing their whole life to raise us and try their best to get out of poverty before criticizing or teaching someone how to get rich.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Glen Hoddle on October 12, 2024, 08:17:25 AM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

You notice that those who have lived happy lives in the past will no doubt have sad times in the present or in the future. So people are never born miserable, as you might imagine in the current situation in Palestine.  Although today's children are hungry and thirsty, they are not born miserable, they are currently victims of the situation.  So their future will surely benefit if Palestine can live in stale peace.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Akbarkoe on October 13, 2024, 09:53:03 PM
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I see it as cool, they can already control such a big machine and they can already earn money like that, but the farm in my country is different, it is far from a perfect machine to run on deep bases, the technology in my country is less advanced in the agricultural industry that the farmer's children also imitate their parents who still farm manually with limited labor. I don't think farming families there are poor, in fact they earn a decent living because there agricultural products should be quite expensive and able to support a more decent life.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Glen Hoddle on October 13, 2024, 10:14:42 PM
Niceness does not encourage people, if through hard work a person can lead a nice life then that is the biggest encourager.  Progress in life requires hard work, so a person born in a rich family cannot become rich.  Because he needs hard work, only hard work leads to the top of success.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Hispo on October 14, 2024, 12:38:28 AM
Niceness does not encourage people, if through hard work a person can lead a nice life then that is the biggest encourager.  Progress in life requires hard work, so a person born in a rich family cannot become rich.  Because he needs hard work, only hard work leads to the top of success.

Hard work or getting away with crimes or taking advantage of the system before someone else does it. There is a saying in the popular culture here in this part of the world: "Behind a huge fortune lies a huge crime", which I admit it is rather a cynical way to approach the success of others, but it certainly applies in many cases.
Even to this day, there are huge companies in developed countries, like the United States and even Germany which continuously have their teams of lawyers close to them, since they always try to find legal grey areas to screw the common people over, for the sake of money.
You should investigate a little bit of the shady practices of bank of America, for example, how they try to over-charge their clients for no reason and hopefully not to get caught red-handed by the government.

So, while there are indeed people who built their fortune through hard work and good investments, there are others who abused the system to collectively steal and got away with it.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: MrEazyLife on October 14, 2024, 05:58:38 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?

I’ve come across a family who’s linage, every rich wealthy person has to use others destiny to excel through diabolic way. The ones who’s destiny are been use are both hardworking, determined and even when the so called wealthy ones makes available if the resources to them. They can’t make something out of it because they have no future. So they end up in poverty and it looks like nothing works for them. There are a lot of people living like this. This is just another reasons added to the ones you listed out. To why we getting out of poverty isn’t for everyone. It takes the intervention of God to deliver this category of people in this reason I pointed out.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: SmartCharpa on October 18, 2024, 06:54:52 AM
While it's important to have the proper resources and a good character (mental mindset, determination, etc.), sometimes it also comes down to luck. You can have two individuals who have similar resources and are both hard working, but maybe only one will make it out of poverty because they were at the right place and time to receive a life changing opportunity. Perhaps having the right resources and character traits can increase your chances of having these opportunities, but luck also plays a role.

You are correct, luck sometimes plays a part in someone getting out of poverty, hard work does not guarantee that one will get out of poverty, we must have a positive attitude and confidence toward what we do. We see this every day, where people have similar incomes and are all hard workers, but just a few can get out of poverty, and that does not suggest that the rest are lazy, at times luck plays its part and we weren't created to escape poverty in the same way, and some are fated to be poor for the rest of their lives.

So, while there are indeed people who built their fortune through hard work and good investments, there are others who abused the system to collectively steal and got away with it.

But as they say, there isn't any quick way to success, and that is exactly what we do today people are eager to escape poverty at all costs. Furthermore, just a few of today's wealthy people build their wealth through good investments and hard effort, the majority are stealing and ruining the way things work. Because they think that's the only way they can increase their wealth, and corrupt behavior is growing every day.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Hispo on October 18, 2024, 04:50:43 PM
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But as they say, there isn't any quick way to success, and that is exactly what we do today people are eager to escape poverty at all costs. Furthermore, just a few of today's wealthy people build their wealth through good investments and hard effort, the majority are stealing and ruining the way things work. Because they think that's the only way they can increase their wealth, and corrupt behavior is growing every day.

The perception of corruption mostly depends on where you live, by the way, so I would need to ask what country are you from and tell you where I live, before we have a conversation on corruption and devious behavior of those in power to continue to accumulate wealth.
In the specific case of developed countries though, it is true we are seeing some quite extraordinary things happening, for example, the current major of New York city being Federally indicted for crimes related to bribery and receive money from foreign governments. He is the first NYC major to be indicted in such a high level and yet, he refused to give up on his position like major of the city.

I am from a developing country which is very high when comes to corruption, so seeing a major who happens to be corrupt is not a surprise, the surprise comes when they get formally indicted and jailed for their crimes, which rarely take place.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: programmer3666 on October 18, 2024, 07:57:33 PM
Be a good sales person. Start a church, and talk the poor people around you into helping... for a cut, of course.

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The number of churches being built globally, honestly I think it is even many than the number of Christians on earth  ;D. Although I get the point of "Dying Poor Will be entirely ones fault" But one thing to take to account is what if someone is destined to remain poor ??? .. some people work half of their entire existence but never get rich till they are exhausted and too old to work. So, putting that into consideration! I think that should counter the fact that being born poor is the parent's fault. I just pray and hope all our tireless efforts into making better future for ourselves and loved ones wouldn't be in vain at the end of the day.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Wakate on October 19, 2024, 04:45:39 PM
Be a good sales person. Start a church, and talk the poor people around you into helping... for a cut, of course.

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The number of churches being built globally, honestly I think it is even many than the number of Christians on earth  ;D. Although I get the point of "Dying Poor Will be entirely ones fault" But one thing to take to account is what if someone is destined to remain poor ??? .. some people work half of their entire existence but never get rich till they are exhausted and too old to work. So, putting that into consideration! I think that should counter the fact that being born poor is the parent's fault. I just pray and hope all our tireless efforts into making better future for ourselves and loved ones wouldn't be in vain at the end of the day.
If you say being poor is as a result of the parent weakness not to work hard enough to make money that will be enough for the children spending., then that's not complete. Born poor does not have anything to do with poverty, although it will require extra effort to work with people so one can grow to a certain stage where everything will become better. There are so many people that are born poor but they were able to work on themselves to become rich. So I don't think parent is the actual influence to someone's penury lifestyle. Many of the billionaires we are seeing are never born rich, they work their way to firm which had changed their entire lifestyle.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: Mando100 on October 19, 2024, 05:37:21 PM
Being born poor is no one’s fault but their parents. However dying poor is entirely up yours.

I got to thinking how come a lot of poor people stay in poverty while some manage to get out of it and make a good life. I boiled it down to two specific things: resources and character. If someone has at least a few resources, he can then try and make a living and try to expand his career furthermore. While someone with not much resources can still manage to find some if he is really determined, hardworking and willing. If you combine these two, surely you’ll get out of poverty.

But why is it that some even with the resources in front of them don’t still manage to make huge profit? Is it because of their character? Are they too lazy? Too comfortable? Not determined enough?

And why is it that some people with determination and perseverance still don’t manage to escape the shackles of poverty? Is it the lack of resources? If they were given resources, will they finally be successful?

Looking at the different people I have met, I try to figure out how and why they ended up the way they are. Are they rich because they have resources and a good character? Or are they rich because they only have good character? Are they poor because, despite the resources, they don’t have a good character?

What do you think is more important to have: resources or character?


It is good to have a good Character before the Resources , because no matter what you have earn if you don't possess good Character, it is certainly null and void. And with positive Character that can earn you more respect within the people around you. But the world we live now people don't look at your Character but rather the resources (what you have possess) just like an Adage that say Money stop nonsense, but they should also remember that wealth those not  last longer, but when you have good Character it is priceless and last for a life time and with it you gain resources even from where you dont expect.


Title: Re: Getting out of Poverty
Post by: BADecker on October 19, 2024, 09:02:55 PM
Be a good sales person. Start a church, and talk the poor people around you into helping... for a cut, of course.

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The number of churches being built globally, honestly I think it is even many than the number of Christians on earth  ;D. Although I get the point of "Dying Poor Will be entirely ones fault" But one thing to take to account is what if someone is destined to remain poor ??? .. some people work half of their entire existence but never get rich till they are exhausted and too old to work. So, putting that into consideration! I think that should counter the fact that being born poor is the parent's fault. I just pray and hope all our tireless efforts into making better future for ourselves and loved ones wouldn't be in vain at the end of the day.

In the first three of chapters of the Revelation in the Bible, Jesus is talking to the seven churches in what they considered the province of Asia. In these chapters the word Nicolaitans comes up at least twice. Jesus is totally against the Nicolaitans to the extent that the things they practice are things that He hates.

What are the Nicolaitans? Nobody really knows. But among the descriptions of Nicolaitans, there is one that says that they were people who spread the Word of God for purposes of making money.

I don't necessarily agree with this idea. Why not? Because, written in three of the Gospels, St. Peter asked what there would be for anybody who gave up everything that he owned for the purpose of preaching Jesus salvation to the world. Jesus answered him that those preachers would receive 100 times as much as they gave up, and more.

But Peter didn't give up his wife. Yet at the growth of the Church after the Pentecost, all the apostles received loads of wealth as gifts from the people, via the people listening to the Holy Spirit.

At the same time, there is talk against spreading the Word for money in other places in the Bible New Testament. So, it all has to be the way that the Word is spread. Money might come to those who spread the Word to get money. But those who spread the Word out of sincerity for the Word, will gain even more... and will not lose favor with Jesus.

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