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A big part of industrialized melting pots is training people to enjoy intrusiveness by assigning people to have 'authority' in a small area.

This post will probably be deleted by moderators, but I'm curious how many people welcome a moderator changing their posts under whatever pretext.

I've had many posts deleted. Once I reposted a deleted post and the moderator changed the text. Now with this username there have been no outright deletions, but a moderator combines any two posts into one then sends the message

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted."

Of course in a melting pot it is important to train young people to be intrusive, otherwise a coercive society could not survive. The coercion/rape impulse is the root of a melting pot.

Some sites like reddit, twitter, youtube etc are famous for becoming successful by overcontrolling members.

Is it good or bad?

Moderators will not edit/change texts written by you, they are only going to merge your posts if you make consecutive posts, which is not allowed in the forum, stop making consecutive posts and moderators wouldn't have to merge your posts again. Then if they trash or delete your posts, then it is because it was off-topic and instead of complaining about moderators, it is better to look at your posts and improve them.

I also think that a Moderator or even a Global Moderator will change the text you have written!

You even get the node on your posts you have done " [moderator's note: multiple posts have been merged] "
Maybe you should be think about your writing style then when they getting deleted.
I think if it is necessary to shorten or getting it merged by a Moderator i see no issue.

AFAIK only admins can edit post, not moderators, mods can merge posts and can leave note, nothing more than that.

Your deleted posts have so many reasons, you should re-read the forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) to avoid future deletions of your posts and stop posting multiple posts in a row.

looking at your stats on BPIP.org (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3530870) it looks like only 3 of your posts have been deleted, so it is not many. also, judging by your thread it looks like the mods are only merging your posts, perhaps refrain from posting multiple times in a row. as PX-Z suggested, you should re-read the forum rules so you'd be more informed as to why the mods merge your posts.

Moderators can edit the posts.
I remember frodocooper edited many posts on mining board when he was a moderator.
Click here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175622.0) to see an example of posts being edited by moderators.

Yes moderators can edit posts, but i think it is wrong for them to edit texts/content written by users, editing texts can lead to drama and a lot of people complaining that moderators changed their "idea" in their post. I can see that the mod in the link you posted used to edit posts when he was active, but as far as i can remember, i don't think i have seen active mods editing texts, or do they?

Moderation is a job of moderator, which is not related to editing posts in most of cases. If a post is zero value, they will simply delete it. Usually, moderator only edits a post if it's a merge of some continuous posts, with a note on reason of post merging.

Moderators are not responsible for engaging in a post content - editing is not their job task.

3 isn't many. Just don't post consecutively in the same thread within 24 hours. If you think of something new to say and your post is the last in a thread, simply edit the post to append your new thoughts to it (if its been less than 24 hours since posting).


True, might as well add Facebook to that list. But this is one of the most loosely moderated sites I've ever had an account at. Just follow the basic rule I mentioned and you'll be fine.

Posts are deleted when they break forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0). Stop breaking the rules and you're fine.

Please give a link to the post.

Stop multiposting. Mods are allowed to combine posts:

First, let me congratulate you that this post has not been deleted as you expected, and you should appreciate the moderators, they are doing well in your case. They are not harsh but try to guide you and even tell you the reason for their actions which looks thorough to me. It's you who needs to change for good as they know the rules needed by the forum better than you, they would always want everyone to comply, right? Otherwise, the forum could be like a dustbin where you dump any nonsense.

They could be overbearing in their approach at times but this is certainly not one of them if the truth be told. I hope to see you complying so that your posts will not be deleted anymore.

Oh wow, it took me a few minutes to figure out what was up with that thread--and I knew edited posts have the date and time underlined, but I wasn't aware about the mouse-hovering thing that shows who edited a post and when.

I'm still confused, though.  What did frodocooper actually do to those members' posts?  We're not talking about a mod writing stuff that a member didn't write in his post, correct?  That would be supremely fucked up, but that kind of sounds like what OP is complaining about.

Oh, so it's possible. That's a bit insane of moderation based on that thread IMO. I wonder if users get a notification that their posts were edited by a moderator just like a personal message notification when posts were deleted by a mod. Looking at his profile looks like he is not a moderator anymore, idk if its about inactivity since some inactive mods are still mods or its about his way of moderation. I wonder.

I have reported many posting violations so far from many different users - such as multiple posts in the same thread. In these cases - when moderators deal with it, they always leave a note written in red at the end of the post like "this post has been merged by mod xxx".

I don't think mods send notification to the offending user - unless their post is deleted. Just like if one of your thread is moved to another board - mods don't send notifications. Someone from the mod list may be able to clarify that information for you.

Merging posts are okay, as it only "merging" multiple posts in a single post. But the one on the thread mentioned by hosseinimr93 is different, there's no note for merging posts, the mod just edited the post for some reason.

Op you have to read more than posting. If you were reading more you would have seen some of those rules from other threads or from rules. Deleting post by moderators is general and not only you. And if I am not mistaking, almost all the people that have made comments here have been gotten a deleted post message from the forum so it is not a new thing. And all what you have to do to avoid such deletion again from the forum moderators, you have to post quality posts and not off topics and spamming. Don't post after your post when another person has not posted. You have to wait for another person to post first before posting again.

And also edit your quoting so that your posting will look neat.

Regarding moderator changing the content — I don't like it, this has happened to me on other forums, but not here, if it happened here, I'm not aware of it.

I have had post deletions though, which I don't stress over.


In my experience, Reddit is much freer, Twitter — I'd rate it lower than Reddit and I'd rate YT worst — YT's stupid AI mod blocks whatever it wants, even if your comment doesn't contain anything worth censoring, gave up lately to even bother to make a comment there.

Oh my bad - sorry, now I see what you mean.
In the above case - I also think the same, the moderator does not send a notification to the author of the thread whose post has been edited. The reason for the edit can vary - such as removing a referral link in the thread or other links instead of deleting the thread.

I'm not sure what was edited from that post - you can compare it to the archived post by ninjastic. I can't find anything different - both posts are exactly the same with no edit history.

Source: https://ninjastic.space/post/52162302

Yeah, it might be, but for referral links, instead of mods editing it, it will  be probably deleted.

Ninjastic.space archive starts late 2020, the post you mentioned posted earlier, year 2019. Any earlier posts before the bot creation will be saved as it is.

frodocooper usually edited badly quoted posts and as far as know, he never edited the content of posts. For example, see this post (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/blocks).

And sometimes, the size of images which was complained by notblox1 in the following thread.
Moderator frodocooper editing post and reducing image size? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264255.msg54860306#msg54860306)

The duty of moderators is to maintain the sanity and integrity of the forum, which includes moderating the contents of members. Moderators have every right to edit or delete posts that violate the forum rules. Instead of feeling attacked, maybe you should ask yourself why you are constantly being attacked. Go read the forum rules again and I'm sure you will find the answers you seek.

It seems he is talking about post(s) deleted from his other account(s) after reading the bolded part.


@OP, it just means you broke the rule of no consecutive posts and regarding the post deletion and not from this account doesn't mean these are not breaking the forum rules, it just means yet to be reported.

Anyway I recommend you not to post the deleted posts cause it can lead to ban for plagiarism if you're doing it from different account. If you think your post has been deleted without valid reason then bring attention to why there has been a mistake cause there are few incidents deleted posts were retrieved later once it's proven no violation found.

I had one deleted post that I reposted and the moderator did change the actual text. If I see it I will post a link.

So somebody feels consecutive posts allows them to alter what somebody has posted by merging posts.

Why not let moderators correct spelling and grammar? How about correcting flawed opinions?

You are either altering somebody's post or you are not.

It's just one post right then how about show us what exactly was altered by moderator instead of whining about it.
Moderator's can merge of two people posts into on, they will only do it when you posted two posts in a row I mean from the same user posting one after one.

How about learn vocabulary before entering to English board.

Mods don't delete a post for wrong grammar, or even if you posted wrong information it would be unlikely to be deleted cause bitcointalk still allows freedom of speech.

When you find yourself in a new place what's required of you is first find the rules and regulations guarding the place after that try as much as possible to adhere to the rules hence you wouldn't be complaining of your post getting deleted or merged.

Perhaps if you have some post most likely related it will for sure be merged if mods finds it convincing to merge.

Getting this message that your post has been deleted is just reminder that you should try to post constructively and act according to rules in each thread and anyone can be moderated regardless of the rank once you violate the rules you will get moderated.

^cough^

The posts that were combined were separate responses to different people.

They should not be merged into one post, but if I had wanted to merge them I would have.

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Separate responses to different people should not be merged into one post unless the poster wants to do that.

I've been posting on bitcointalk for more than ten years under various usernames, and most interference by moderators is not about improving anything.

you should consider adhering to the pattern which the mods wants every post.

Don't you think? it doesn't make any sense having only you commenting on a post several times? looking at the above response which you can probably make in just a post you prefer making 10 post to 10 different people in one thread.

Personally if I was a mod I will do same because it's against the ethics of the forum.

Or, if you had read the rules.  You know, the ones pinned at the top of this board:


You can still reply to multiple people in a single post.  There's even a link on the reply page to insert a quote from one of the previous responses:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/21/gT7tv.png

It's very easy to follow the rules around here.  Most are simply guidelines for those who don't know what common curtesy is.

Yes I agree, the above is absurd & just wrong. It should have been worded, "How about learn to vocabulary before entering English board."


You're going out of your way to not get it, and writing consecutive posts in this thread to prove how far you are willing to go to not get it. The reason the rule exists is to prevent accounts from continually bumping a thread or dominating its discussion. If you don't like it, "stiff," as Craig Wrong would say.

The “Horizontal Rule” button is there so you can add some separation between your responses that could be made within the same post. Creating separate, consecutive posts for each reply can be annoying and spammy. I made this mistake when I was new to Bitcointalk and forums in general, but if you’re not a newbie and have been around 10 years you should already know this is frowned upon.

There's no point in creating a thread like this, we all know that moderators of this forum are doing their duty very well and i sometimes they delete a post then there's a valid reason behind it. The moderators often avoid deleting even spamming posts because they don't want to misuse their powers, however when it's needed to delete a post then they delete it.

Sometimes a user posts consecutively and replying to each member in form of separate post then in those cases moderator give their time to merge those posts into one to avoid unnecessary extra posts. Some users, mostly newbies do such kind of consecutive posting.

This was shortly after I started scraping unedited posts, so it looks like (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5216/52162302.html) he only removed 2 pointless "Enters". Searing has a weird writing style (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99165;sa=showPosts): I think he hits Enter (twice) when he reaches the side of his browser window (this looks especially weird when my browser window is smaller than his). No damage was done in editing this (but it wasn't needed either).

Now this is interesting: how did those 2 Enters not show up in Ninjastic's archive? It doesn't show an edit history, and he got those old posts from me.

It could be he re-scraped them. @TryNinja?

When you keep having your post deleted or merged, I suggest you look within, that's the only way to get better. Try to see if it's a "you" problem. Always blaming someone else for everything won't help you, it only shows that you think you're too big to make a mistake or learn.
I have had 4 posts deleted since I joined the forum. 2 of those posts deserved to be deleted by moderators, but I can make a case for the other two. There was no point in me making a fuss out of it because all I needed to do was see how I could make better posts in such a way that they wouldn't get deleted.



I don't know about YouTube and Facebook, but Reddit is very well moderated and that's the reason it is one of the few social media sites with less garbage. You can still have your opinion and support whatever you want there, but your post shouldn't be a load of rubbish or spam because it will get deleted. That's also why there are not many scammers there as they are on Facebook and Instagram.

So, don't see the deleting to merging of your post as a prejudice against you, see it as an area you can improve on. A merge post IMO is worse than a deleted post because it means you made more than one post that can easily be one post.

Looks like the mods are being nice, merging the post when they could've just deleted it since it broke the forum rules.

Technically they deleted your second, third etc posts, then edited your first post and add the content from your deleted posts. Except you post the same thing, the moderator will delete it without merge your post.

I don't think so, a merged post mean your post quality still qualify the forum's standard, while deleted post mean your post is bad.

You have an activity slightly above 100, it will not be a tedious job to find that particular post of yours that a moderator outrightly changed the text or context. I challenge you to do so and earn merit for it.

Moderators are lenient on newbies most times because it is perceived they aren't conversant with the rules yet. It will be a bad moderation to delete an objective and on point post of a newbie instead of merging them.

If your post got deleted did you asked yourself whether the post is created at the right section with the right meaning to why it's posted over there? I believe there are still rules you are missing which you need to do more reading, I could remembered then many people easily creates topics than reading and there post were either being deleted or moved to the off-topic section and they finds it so annoying to why the deletions just as you did create this topic.

I usually respond to different comments from different people by using a separate post, since that is common sense.

In this case the moderator is blindly following 'rules' without understanding the point of the rule, so he or she merges posts.

Obviously the rule about consecutive posts was not meant for different responses to different people on a thread.

Notice further up this page


So the moderator "Mr Big" a) does not understand why there is a rule about consecutive posts, then he breaks the rule about moderating by leaving out the text saying "posts merged by moderator".

Point simply being that somebody too fucking stupid to understand why a rule exists should not be enforcing it.

That's you in a nutshell.

About 10 people told you why the rule exists and you just powered through it all - with your eyes closed & fingers in your ears - for the sake of continuing to not get it. Its not a matter of personal interpretation here.

OK, all of that would seem to fall within the duties of a moderator.  Editing the actual words of someone's post would be bad, bad, bad--and damned if I can recall any mod doing that.  If someone had, I think even Theymos might have a problem with that, not to mention the community.

So is there still something to bitch about here?


Ah, sometimes these heated Meta posts just make me giggle like times of old.  I didn't spit my coffee out just now, but it's as close as I've gotten to it in a long-ass time.

I know this account from some altcoin threads I frequent: he only believes in conspiracies. That may explain his handicap.  :D

Common sense is to copy the second quote and post it in the first message you post.

Bitcointalk has more freedom than any other forum I know, and you somehow break the very few rules there are all the time.

That alone sounds like a conspiracy to me :P

So why does this rule exist ?
What would the forum look like if all sig spammers made multiple replies like you ?
What does your common sense think about that ?

This forum isn't a chat room, you have plenty of time to reply and use the tools the forum provides (insert quote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5509728.msg64554793#msg64554793))
This forum isn't Twitter, you can make long replies as you like.

I think he doesn't understand importance of rules and that's why saying such things. If multiple consecutive posts aren't allowed then there's of course a reason for that and some people really don't understand such things. Multiple replies don't make sense when one could easily quote multiple user's comments within a single post. I guess he should rethink and take his words back.

Yeah, it would be just more convenient when the possibility is there.
It's just a little bit of extra time and effort. Rules are rules.

There is no rule that mods need to do this; it's just done as a courtesy.

I have a proposal for @PowerGlove:
Any user reported violating forum rule #32 (no consecutive posts except for bumping when a bump is allowed) and forcing mods to spend their time to clean up such moron's mess should get some "failure count" attached. If a threshold is reached, like with fail2ban, such users get a temporary cool-down ban.

If you collect too many temporary cool-down bans within a certain period of time, your cool-down ban time is doubled.

Even this temporary ban evasion should've serious consequences.


I wouldn't have issues if this is extended to more of deliberate violations of forum rules by wannabee-smart-asses who think only their own rules (if any) matter for them. Not sure if they simply don't have the cognitive capacity to understand why certain rules exist and why those are necessary to avoid mess & chaos in a forum like this.

Don't get me wrong, I don't value or appreciate blindly following rules for the sake of it. But when rules have good reasons, it should be common sense to follow them. If you don't understand the reasons, it's your problem, don't make it a problem for all else.

I've already done one rule-32 patch (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496238)). I mean, I took a much gentler approach than the one you're suggesting, but, I think a simple warning is a good place to start.

Maybe if you bump that topic, theymos will consider adding it... :-\

(There's only so much patch-advocating and theymos-bugging that I'm willing to do myself.)

Meanwhile, there are users with tens or even hundreds of deleted posts, and they're not banned. A few consecutive posts are a lot less annoying than plain spam. Get that counter for every deleted post :P

Many of us have had our posts deleted at one time or another, some without proper understanding or explanation and others with. If it is off-topic then the post probably should not have been made.

Keeping in mind making back to back posts will result in a moderator merging them sometimes along with a message about consecutive posts, that is problematic in my opinion however for you to state moderator changed the text, I cannot recall reading about that before. Post a link with the modified post along with the original unedited text too in order to verify what actually happened.

The past post where a moderator changed text I do not have a link to, if I remember what thread I'll link.

In this thread the moderator changed the tenor of my response by merging two separate responses to two different people then added a horizontal line to change the style of my original post.


There was no reason for the moderator to make those changes except to 'prove' his authority i.e., the authority of a poodle that nips your ankles.

Mr. Big added the horizontal line to separate your replies and you should be thankful to him. He could delete your post without merging it with your other post.
It's you who broke the rules. Mr. Big did his job greatly.

He added stylistic edits without mentioning that those are his edits not mine.

If you want your posts etc to be edited without your approval that is your business.

You could of course stop breaking the rules if you don't like Mods to touch your posts.

I don't understand what the question is? Do you want no one to edit your posts and everything to be according to your rules?

1. Go to https://download.simplemachines.org
2. install the necessary dependencies
3. edit the code for yourself

After completing these tasks, no one else will be able to edit your posts and you will be the king, the ruler, the president... and many more cool names.
And if you still want to be here, then accept that there are such situations when you break rules they can edit your posts and nothing can be done about them.

As for the fact that the modified posts must be signed, that they were edited - this is a personal matter for the moderators themselves. In any case, they won't change anything to something offensive or inarticulate.

Earlier you gave the impression your posts were edited in a different manner altogether. However, if this is what you are complaining about it means you are wasting your time thinking you will get support for such a trivial insignificant matter. If you are concerned about moderators merging posts because a member does not adhere to the rules, this is a non-issue and seems to be you using this thread for attention-seeking purposes.

OK, you hero, show real evidence of mod's edits beyond merging your rule breaking consecutive posts. You should be able to do it via https://ninjastic.space (https://ninjastic.space) when your original posts have been scraped. I don't expect to see anything from you, though.

You're making a fuss out of nothing, ignoring how you embarass yourself. Interesting how you're completely resistant to goodwill advise. OTOH, you're not seeking advise, anyway.

Meanwhile it seems to me the best to cope with you is to put you on ignore. You don't add value in this forum and it's well reflected by your merit/posts ratio. Apparently you don't care to understand and follow simple but efficient rules.


Guess why many others don't have such issues which you try to inflate here?

You are probably the only person on the entire forum who considers adding a single horizontal rule as "stylistic editing".  :D
Yeah. Next time he should just delete the offending posts, no questions asked. Would that be better?
 

Did you ask for the admin's or moderator's permission to break the forum rules first? If not, why would they need your approval to correct your mistakes?

Judging from OP's conversation as shown above, only indicate one thing in common, and by that I mean it shows that he/she has got a whole lot to learn about the forum, ranging from how to quote rightly, and how to communicate effectively via using simple English, as from a brief glance, I just noticed he is fond of using big grammars, of which most times he/she tends to express it  in context wrongly, which might have prompted Moderators to delete his post when they happened to have come across it. And also observed O.P seems to be a kind of person who loves to argue, rather than take correction, of which I will advise he goes learn the forum rules again, and how to quote effectively.

The reason of deletion of post by mod, is based know to moderator, sometimes mods moves topics that's not cogent for comprehension to off topic, the reason is best known to moderator, I think they have algorithms or radar they use in detecting posts that's not educative, secondly when several users reported a particular thread that means that the thread lacks cogent information, so it may be liable to move to off topic and if its a response or reply it may be deleted...

The essence of deletion of someone posts is to make the person to improve in writing, I think moderator are been paid to carry out their functions effectively, so they will not like a situation whereby people overflood the community with shitpost, that will likely indicate that most of them is incapable of discharging their duties,  that's the reason posts is been deleted, moves to off topic and also locked by mods.