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I Had an idea for an Altcoin that can be mined on a SmartPhone's CPU!!! I don't have the money or knowledge to make it my self, but I feel it can encourage teenagers to get involved with Altcoin mining. My hope with this post is that many people who have the skills to make this, will make many different versions of this idea.

An example of this idea is if McDonald's had it's own coin called the Mc-D coin and it was used for discount on food. The teenagers could mine the Mc-Ds as they sleep, then the next day use the Mc-Ds with money and get a discount. I'm thinking that if the coin rises in value, then the Mc-D can perches a full burger.

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Wow an altcoin that can be mined on a SmartPhone's CPU! Your idea is very bold, is also very good, if possible, that will be a very interesting thing, hope to be successful.

The idea is novel, but a coin like this would be attacked like no tomorrow. A blockchain secured by smartphones would easily be attacked by just a small set of computers.

I think you are trying to implement something that can only be mined by smartphone CPUs; but if something can be mined by one CPU, then it can be mined by any other CPU.

You already can, Boinc for Gridcoin and I think still Ripple. Be prepared for your phone to be too hot to hold and a battery life of 5 minutes....

what about my battery. ???

I just found this interesting article about phone mining malware. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/27/android-bitcoin-dogecoin-mining-malware

I think there are Android miners for SHA256 and scrypt already.

There is supposedly no longer any need to "secure" p2p distributed ledgers using Proof of Work.

Thus, some non proof of work system of ledger can be used.

Thus, the activities performed on the phone to earn/acquire the coins need not require heavy computation.

The "mining" on the phone would be how the coins are distributed, not how they are secured.

The method of CPU mining described at http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=cpu_mining seems to resist botnets quite well and should be able to run quite a few "workers" per phone, so should be quite suitable.

However any game people like to play on their phones could also be used, players who do well at the game being issued more of the coins than players who fail at the game or do not do well at the game.

-MarkM-

It will kill your smartphone's CPU but sure go ahead ...

If your smartphone's CPU is so flimsy that playing a text mode adventure game on it kills it, wow why does anyone ever buy smartphones at all, intensive computations such as encrypted downloads or decoding of video codex must kill millions of them daily...

-MarkM-

ProofOfStake coin clinet running on my iPhone and generating new coins  - that's the future.  :)

http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/android-app-songs-built-indian-developer-caught-mining-bitcoins-220761.html (http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/android-app-songs-built-indian-developer-caught-mining-bitcoins-220761.html)
Some people are already doing it, though unknowingly.
Battery drainage would be the biggest show stopper I think.

Tend to agree with this.

The problem with SOC processed PoW is that whatever can be done on the phone, will be able to do on bigger x86 RIGs with Real GPUs at 100x perf... which means that phone PoW , will always have a much smaller hash rate to make it not worth while.

In order for this to b e even feasible, you'd have to find an algo that is ONLY optimized on phones, ARM arch.. which at this time.. just doesn't exist. 

Its possible with very low difficulty. U just have to pevent mining with pc

Yes there are but you can expect to mine lets say 1 DOGE in about 6 months, pretty coll  ???

Kidding this is still a dream but for that in future is good to think about it.

More good will be mining it with tablet don't you agree?

All these "problems" cited all assume that proof of work mining is being done to secure a ledger/blockchain, which is a stupid approach for targetting such a platform in the first place. Have the "mining" be simply a way of distributing a currency instead of trying to have it be a way of securing the ledger and all those problems go away.

You could even have phone users "mine" coins by phoning friends and getting those friends to download the app, for example... A social virus, in effect.

-MarkM-

This is a novel idea. You can develop an algo which is locked to mobile CPUs to prevent larger hardware mining.

Cellphone manufacturers like Samsung, Apple and Nokia will then include a spec in their spec sheets called "mining speed: 160 kh/sec on X-Algo)
People will pre-order newer cellphone models with highest mining speed, which will take months to deliver! :D

Some posts contradict other posts here.

Is mintcoin bringing a mining app to android

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450381.12620



and thought of this a short while ago would be great

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470392.0

Deuterium mining works great from a phone of course, because it is basically just time that does the work, a browser (such as one on a phone) is only required for setting strategic choices such as what kind of mines to build and such.

http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/deuterium.html

-MarkM-

sure this could maybe be done... but for starters there wouldnt be a way to prevent higher end CPU's like me xeon  ::) from mining... second your phone will overheat and die within like a week... but who knows still a cool idea!

Nice video hope every1 will like it

yea i watched the video too! i liked it literally lol

Oh wow! Great thread

mintcoin is already developing this app

get some today!

I couldn't find info on a Mining app for Mintcoin, only one that pays you for doing tasks. I want to start the app & forget about it.

It's being developed now. Should be ready soon.

Dont say it is ready today then.

Any way looking forward testing it.

I never said that. lol

I started a topic about games that use "human mineable and proof of play Altcoins" that probably can be on a phone.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686443.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686443.0)

how you will keep your coin mining only on smartphones?  without it - this is only new shitty alt

Basically, leave it on the charger while you're mining overnight and be prepared for a hardware meltdown when the electronics inside just can't take the heat anymore. Unless you have a very efficient way to mine cryptocurrencies that won't cause overheating issues.

I think it is more fair to say that broader definitions of "work" are being found applicable.  Even Proof of Stake is just a sort of "weakened constraint" PoW.


The main problem with this, as I see it, is still the reliance on a central server for the game environment.  Even with a server (or servers) operating over authenticated structures (so we could know that the OT ledger it offers is valid and that the server isn't cheating) we still rely on those servers' availability.  In order to be able to sustain itself, the currency network should be independent of the participation lifespan of any given set of participants.


The human mine-able currencies HUC and MOTO are proving that this is only a partially obtainable goal.  In both cases (and really with any online game) bots are, of course, a significant influence on the game.

In the case of a network also secured by proof-of-play(/"proof-of-thought") it is also necessary to have these bots to secure the network, otherwise the transaction processing would be at the whim of the most skilled participants creating a sort of built in centralization problem.

The concept is one that would no doubt be very popular and incredibly ucrative for the pioneer but it's just too impractical for long term use. Plus, everything that can be done on a phone can be done with a computer, but many, many times faster.

isn't there something like that already?? timecoin was it? what about RIPPLE?

It is a good idea becasue I could see this catching on if kids do it then I think their parents would take an interest it in it.  I would like to see this become used on coins that have a real future(Bitcoin and others).

Also, maybe set CPU usage so phone wont melt :P

i bet phone manufacturers are gonna love this :) they will be getting so many paid replacements and repairs and such for peoples phones breaking from overheating lol

An altcoins that aims reduce the life of smartphones? How un-ecological.

And or it will be small coin with no value or too vulnerable to hash attacks.

Interesting topic.

Phones and tablets use RISC-based ARM processors. Normal desktop and laptop computers use processors based on the x86 architecture. These are the ones that Intel and AMD make. So in order to produce a coin that is primarily mined using smartphones, you would need to find a way to avoid getting swamped by the superior hash power of x86 CPUs. I'm not sure if such a thing is possible.

Can anyone with some knowledge about mining algorithms and CPU architecture shed some light here?


This would need to be implemented too, of course.

Basically buy two phones or tablet one for use and other to mine.

Interesting but this will mine ages for 1 coin.

Yes for dissent smart phone and tablet u can spend ass much ass for some basic mining equipment on pc.

So mining with this would bee waste of time and money.

still a cool concept though! just seems rather difficult to implement thats all

The phone would only mine while connected to an adapter,
e.g. when charging overnight. And overheating would not be an issue
with a PoW dominated by memory latency rather than computation.