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Money it's not real it's number in bank or Banks digital estimated value wich is viction.
Off course If you hold cash it's yours and you control it or cryptocurrency that's just the little bit different.
But money itself not real If you have money you have nothing it's just the "estimated valuation of faithful speculation" If you have 100mil on your bank account you have "100mil nothing"  we live just upside world the one who got more that nothing will get more what means something.
In that sense money is more like spiritual element money is spirit.
But If money value is based on debt and speculation of the markets then you really don't own nothing.
The "WEF Slogan:" you own nothing and you be happy " it's in that sense little coded with hidden meaning the money is that "NOTHING"  

when someone said he Lost money then he have lost nothing because 0-0= 0 money is 0 it's nothing you own money you own nothing and you lose nothing you lose nothing.
So don't be surprised to lose money or even that your bank lose your money because "by default " you always have nothing and how you can measure the value of nothing If it's just nothing ?
Now the funny thing is that If you sell your house for example 1 mil of USD that's 1 mil USD of nothing so you got after sales 1 mil USD of nothing.
so If your House value is 1 mil usd it means If you sell this for 1mil USD you get nothing.
Same with btc or gold or any more tangible real assets If you sell them away you lose real assets and in return you receive nothing.

Well If money is nothing then why people want that nothing well its because they get with nothing something.
But value of money is always 0 Because 0 equals nothing

Perahps wef want you to own only nothing or money don't matter it's a same thing If you own money or nothing it's always nothing and If you own nothing you are broke.

So money is tricky you can play with money value in order to get real assets from others with money with nothing because they belive money is something yet it's nothing If people would understood that money is nothing then would never trade assets for nothing only when they get a lot of money means they get a lot nothing.
But If you get for nothing something it's the debt becouse you have created now something for nothing but energy and resources don't come from NOTHING they come from something so If there is exchange from nothing to something then bigger exchange of nothing to something then bigger is the DEBT.

and debt can come only from something and it will be settled of something the real value of something not from the nothing.- that's why you never can't pay the DEBT wich comes from the something with nothing and money is nothing so "essence by deafault " you can't pay debt with money it will be never paid with money because DEBT comes from something not from the NOTHING and money is NOTHING.

That's why the debt always will end up one way it's by liqutation of the real asseets.
that's why people always will just suffering who try to pay back debt with money If they don't have assets or collateral they would never really pay off the debt because DEBT is something and money is nothing so when DEBT was taken then amount of debt real resorces work energy and real physical assets been used or moved so you can't settle those REAL things with NOTHING.

whenever you could buy something with money or pay money for someone you should be happy becouse you made the best deal: you paid NOTHING for SOMETHING.
that's why you always want to pay money others to make them to do things for you so they get NOTHING and you get SOMETHING basicly it's the best deal bigger NOTHING you pay the more NOTHING the another person will hold.

So by this theory:
If you own a lot money= same as owning nothing more money you have more nothing you have so in order to have SOMETHING the more of NOTHING you have to give away to get SOMETHING.
but money itself don't show your wealth or value of your assets or how rich you are money show's only what you can get for money If you hold too much money you might just go broke because you OWN too much of NOTHING so more you have nothing more you need SOMETHING otherwise you got just NOTHING and nothing of SOMETHING - THATS also called inflation.

Off course If you hold mil+ USD you are rich If it's on your bank acc it's not yours so more your bank has NOTHING the more DEBT your bank have and bigger the RISKS Are for your bank so more SOMETHING your bank have to get for NOTHING in order to serve the debt.
If you lose money or your bank lose money then your bank did not Lost nothing and you did not Lost nothing aswell becouse by default money is NOTHING If you have 0 how can you lose 0? 0=0

when you buy bonds with money it means you buy slaves the BONDS Are basicly SLAVES the bond market is modern day-slavemarket so you buy others work and energy with money so you buy BIG SOMETHING with NOTHING more they produce something the more it will create NOTHING so this nothing Will be used again for get SOMETHING.

so that's the big instutions owns the assets so they get something for nothing.
Biggest manipulation is the money people chase the money the nothing and they are happy to trade their SOMETHING to get NOTHING only because people think money is SOMETHING but actually it's NOTHING.

And that's why many people never get rich and wealthy and find happiness becouse they work hard and give all their happiness all their time and Energy and the assets away for NOTHING the money once you stop focus on money the amount you have 100k-700k 1mil or 1bil ...you start become wealthy by magic because you free yourself from the slavery to look for the money.

Try like this live one month without thinking about getting money only just have minimum amount of money and you will see the magic happens money will start come and knock your door itself.

And money is with "lowest value thing in this WORLD" before you agree to trade anything for money you should think twice because it's a biggest trap in the world when people use others for getting wealthy to tell them that money have real value actually it's with lowest value in this world that's the secret to wealth and that's why for most people it's so hard to become financially free and Independent because they give too easy all the SOMETHING to get NOTHING.  

that's why we have inflation problem it tells you to right on your face that money got no value off course people belive that they should focus on to search more actively money so then they have more money to overcome inflation but it's like try to catch your own shadow you will never do it and you keep working harder and harder and you keep trading your time and other valueble things the SOMETHING for nothing. That's Matrix "you got Control your own Matrix "

Everybody knows that money is tool to enslave humans but until you didn't read this info here you didn't know exacly how so now that you know that money lowest thing in life the wealth will come to you easy becouse you keep your energy and resources on SOMETHING not in with NOTHING so your biggest financial suffering is because you focus on too much money you don't belive but the most wealthy ones don't focus on money to getting money they use money as tool to get other things but they don't focus on money because they are educated with real knowledge not with fake knowledge.
So that's why the real wealthy ones don't make their business decision based on how much money they get because money is always nothing and everything else is something.

They focus on how to get most of the something with nothing and how to use money the nothing to get most of the something so people would think that rich and smart people try to save or keep every dollar but that's not the case they do most likely give more money then they receive and that's what confusing people but you need to decode your brain and matrix system in order to get good with wealth and riches first thing is that no matter how hard it seems yes it's first very uncompfortable for you but you have to understood asap money value is 0 you only have not enough money never If you live in fear of losing money or mental state that you will not have enough money once you FREE your mind of this you change immediately your life.



Once you read this and you use this knowledge Its impossible that in one month you don't see how your financial situation will get so much better. :)
from all those motivational talks on internet and youtube that's the biggest secret kept hidden from you.
use this knowledge and you become free of slavery and you do not understood what miracles start happening in your life.  

So all the other people will work and slave for the 1% people because those 1% people don't care about getting money its not their goal or target but they just use money to trade for real things.



We talked about a lot things how to Free your mind and natrix the matrix locks and how to Open them and that all the matrix is coded on purpose to make sure that knowledge is power but 1% not worried about average people they will never reach to the point when they become powerful becouse of our daily "matrix locks" wich are well placed over our minds that will keep the system running so well :)

Perhaps we can understood now If person do crime or corruption for the money stealing or cheating or losing dignity or honour then it means person trades safety health,freedom for money it clearly show's that person is slave of the system even If others see Him or her as rich one the real elite 1% or Even the 0.30% never do anything to trade real values to money they often search for something to get rid of their money the NOTHING to get in return the SOMETHING.
What i been told is kind of spiritual also but true that all the Energy comes from the SOULS so If you trade your soul energy for nothing means the money you make bad deal only trade something for money If it's absaloutely nessecary to do so.

Right now i have given here you the best advice you ever get from anywhere but off course that's not good If too many people start using this knowledge than this knowledge will lose value and 1% people will be angry to me but that's good that not many people here and those who will use this knowledge are strong ones because not every person could de-code their "false matrix system into correct system" - Im sure the 1% of elite knows about this that it's just too hard to take it for many people and it takes will power to get free of thinking about money off course they been teached this kind of knowledge on their early age but thanks to me you guys can have that knowledge aswell :) i met with one person from 1% circles and he was happy to share this because he told me the society is Coded so strongly that nobody not gona belive this info anyways and fear of surviving and fear of losing or not have enough money will making sure that nobody will be free in their mind.

Ok now i Understood why it makes me angry and other people when they talk with very rich people and then those rich people tell them they are not interested about money.
And yes many of them say so many times they don't search for money and not greedy to get money yet they have a lot money ok for me it's clear then they got some secret knowledge exacly how you did explained here.
Ok good to know that fastest way to wealth is by not thinking about money i'll just start think about how to work together with people long term networking and vision and how to get things from others with money then money will come organically to me.
Same in crypto: If i Focus on too much money value it will missleading me and will make me to lose money

This is really interesting. And I understand where you're coming from. The concept of money as 'nothing' has many philosophical and psychological elements connected to it. In the end It is true that money in digital or paper form is a community that together with us agrees to provide him with benefits .

Money still remains an important medium of exchange for goods and services. Whichever way we might look at it. 'Empty' or otherwise, it is well rooted in the way we live, work, and live in society. For most of us Breaking out of the financial cycle can be very difficult. It is because direct needs to eat, shelter, and health care would directly be tied to such cycles.

But what I feel you are simply trying to say here is the fact of letting money not control us. Too often, we let the search for gain drown out all other aspects. That's where the real 'slavery' happens. If people focus on building real assets, knowledge, or skills. Yet instead of placing money in my pocket, I agree this can serve to be a way towards a more satisfying life. There is a balance in realizing that even money cannot be the ultimate. However it is still part of life in this very modern world.


Many investors say they are not focused on the money. But I think it's more about mindset. which focuses on value long term growth and working together rather than ignoring the pain of short-term financial gains. It makes sense that money will follow if you shift your focus away from pursuits and focus on creating something worthwhile.

As you say in crypto it is very easy to get caught up in price movements. But if we give too much importance to that We cannot see the bigger picture. Whether it is creating a sustainable portfolio Understanding strategies or attachment strategies In both traditional and crypto investing, the key is to think long-term and not let day-to-day fluctuations or 'Money pressure' hinders your ambitious goals

this is a very lame analogy you've painted here and it's as good as not even trying to make an analogy regarding the worthlessness of money at all.

You think money is worthless and yet you need it to get a kidney transplant and to take care of your feeding or else you go really hungry. You still think money or Bitcoin is worthless and take it out of the major factor that helps this forum stand tall and you see it effect on the forum. You think money is worthless?

Money might be paper or a figure but the value in it is more than what you think. It's just like human being, the flesh is worthless and the body is entirely worthless. What makes man who he truly his is the spirit in him  that carries the flesh and the body. But that doesn't still make the body worthless because of you destroy the body, the spirit ceases to exist same way if you destroy money or losses your Bitcoin, the value ceases to exist.

@OP, what is this big wall of text? @Yatsan, why quoting like a newbie? I mean quoting a whole wall of text. ???

We are already a slave for money, that is the reality.

Making money and getting rich—that’s what's on everyone's mind. And let’s be honest, life isn’t easy without money, which is why we often become greedy, hoping to improve our lives. Sure, we might say that for some entrepreneurs, money wasn’t their initial goal. But look at their instructions to their employees, especially on the marketing side—what’s the focus? It’s all about making money. In the end, they’re lying to us because they're in business to earn and stack up wealth. That’s why they aim to grow their companies and make them sustainable, so the cash flow never stops.

What I understand from the summary of the OP post is that money is just an illusion, that it's not real, your money in the bank is not really yours. The concept makes sense in theory because you can't carry all your assets everywhere you go, and if you can't have access to it at anytime it means that you're on your own. Sometimes when you're in life and death situation you'll not even remember your money, all your assets will not matter then.

But in practical anybody that depends on this theory that money is not real will remain poor and most likely become a destitute. Money is very real because it is given value, whether it's cash at hand, in the bank or in investments. In this age you don't need to have your cash at hand before you can pay for anything, all you need to do is just transfer it from your bank account. Without virtual cash there'll be nothing like Bitcoin and I believe that in the future people won't need to carry physical cash anymore. Gold, diamond and every other treasures are expensive because they're given value, people who don't give it value will trample on them. Money is power because of the high value that it has been given, if you don't have it or have assets that people needs to exchange for money that means that you'll be poor, this is the reality.

the circulation of the flow of life will not be free from the problem of money, and it continues to run, it is true what people say we are slaves to money, it is difficult to let go of all that because we are now in its era, yes the point is now the need for income in companies in any field as long as it produces.

I disagree, the concept of money being nothing isn't true. Even if most countries operate with fiat money, that doesn't tie to physical resources, gold still derived from something, government backing and people's trust in them. Governments can provide controls of supply and economic management more handily because fiat money isn't constrained by physical resources.

And while cryptocurrencies differ in that their values are perhaps entirely a function of speculation in the markets, not quite "nothing." In any case, people like them because of their utility and scarcity, much as physical commodities do. Money might seem an abstract thing, but it enables real barter exchanges for goods, services, and even labor, thereby giving money reasonable value outside the digits on your screen.

In other words, money derives its value simply from the fact that people accept it as a means of exchange. This may be in fiat or crypto, but once that is agreed upon-even though, yes, it seems like "nothing"-it became a tool to help exchange real things in society.

This writes like it was written by someone with very little money, which is not meant as any kind of insult, but rather it's a way of living that most people simply do not aspire towards. The majority of us live in capitalist societies and in order to be comfy, potentially even break free of the chains of work - which are required to pay bills like mortgages, then you need to have money. It's all well saying it is just a number, but that number determines whether you wake up with freedom to do what you like every day or it could leave you in all sorts of depression if you have negative numbers showing up on screen. The best way to break free is to work hard and accumulate funds so you have choices in life.

Op you've written a long text, why repeat 'nothing' a million and one times? However I enjoyed reading a few part of it, and in your perspective, money is not relevant, yes, in the desert. Given water and $1 million in a dry land, I'd go for water not the money, as it'll be worthless. But, in an ecosystem where humans live and cost of living needed, money is helpful in settling lots of financial responsibility, which will give us a better living.

The misconception with money is that people talk about it a lot and do crazy things to own it, that's not wrong, but every other thing in life also matters, and when we lack some essential things like water, we'd understand how valuable staying hydrated is for the living. 

Although, with cash, we can purchase all necessities for surviving, yet the world will lack too many natural produce if everyone sticks to making money and let go on the production of those needful materials that enhances good living. For instance, last few month a friend told me that the next generation will have so much money, but they'll be hungry. Come to think of this, it's almost impossible to have money and starve, still, a close thought on it, will unravel the fact that if food are not produced how will money purchase them?

This is a shit post and nothing else, why someone creates a wall of text that's not even needed and to our surprise two other member quoted the whole shit-post in order to share their own opinion. Everything said about money in this post is wrong and untrue, and it's way better to lock such posts.

I only read part of the OP's post, as I felt it was too long and unnecessarily so. There's definitely some truth to the point that fiat money is not valuable in and of itself, it's more or less a promise given based on confidence in the government. But when money seems no more than a thing of the air, it's also a device that can enable you to gain real possessions and resources.

However, on the other hand, debt, despite being certain to be an overwhelming burden, is not always bad. As a matter of fact, many successful people leverage their debt in order to invest and grow their wealth. Such loans as those made for buying property or investing in a business could yield fat returns if managed well. While one should be aware of the "nothingness" of money, using strategic applications of money brings real value into your life. Balancing both perspectives allows better navigation through the financial landscape by people.

No it isn't--and did you really have to quote OP's entire post?  You should know better than to do that with an enormous block of text; it's just bad forum etiquette.

How did the Economics section get so polluted with garbage like this?  Not only aren't the ramblings of Mrbuck interesting, they're almost juvenile in their content.  I'm not disputing the truth of some of what he wrote, but that's kind of saying I wouldn't argue that the sun rises in the east or the Diels-Alder reaction proceeds by a concerted rearrangement of bonds--I already know that stuff and aside from the latter, probably everyone with half a brain does as well.

This section has got to be cleaned up somehow.  Where's Hydrogen's interesting articles when you need them?

It's nothing new, that's how all his topics and all his alts who write nonsense in this board start. Too much free time and too many conspiracy theories produce exactly this way of expression.


I've been wondering the same thing for a long time - because he does it constantly, so I wonder if it has something to do with the sig campaign he's participating in or if it's something else. Anyway, the OP and him are equally annoying and most topics like this should be moved to P&S or Off topic.

Nowadays, most people must have a very strong dependence on money. I am also sure that the majority of people in the world will find it very difficult if they do not have money. Because, money is a tool for making transactions to buy many goods. Therefore, it is only natural that we are called slaves to money. However, even so, I think there is nothing wrong with that, because in reality, currently in most countries having money is a must. So it doesn't matter whether you are called a slave to money or not, because having money is currently a must. Maybe the most important thing in my personal opinion, we just need to manage our time well, so that our lives are not only about making money. Because in my personal opinion, the people who are called the most real slaves to money are people who forget many things in order to make money. However, for people who are also looking for money but do not forget the value of life, such as going on vacation and spending time with family are not slaves to money. Therefore, we need to remember, making money as much as possible is not a problem, in fact it can be said to be a very good action. But don't forget, we have to enjoy this life and have time to take a break from the hustle and bustle of making money. Because you only live once.

Sad to say but it's like we only live for money. Although money won't guarantee our happiness and inner peace, but the more we become exposed into life's struggles and personal issues if we are financially incapable to make our ends meet. Money should never be our life's driver and motivation, and we shouldn't be a slave on it, but living life without money is like putting our survival at a high risk.

The text is too lengthy for someone to read through and I'm even having a difficult time reading this kind of long text however I believe is from the way most people go about their explanation that made them go through this long process of writing when they can possibly make it a bit simpler for someone to read because is not everyone that has the habits of spending much time to read and besides you can hardly understand everything from the message and before you must have read to the middle you had already gotten missed up with some of the things you had understand from the beginning, perhaps that's how the OP is use to in writing.

Totally agree into this part. This is why people do usually skip out on reading up things specially on this long pile of text on which it will really be better to make it a bit short and direct out to the point.
Highlighting or making up some bold text at least on trying out to point the meaning of this context or this passage. It is really that too lenghty for someone to read up this long but well
there are really indeed people who are really that wants to write this long not unless if this one is copy pasted. lol

Money cant buy happiness but this is something on which we do really mainly need for us to survive on this world in terms of living but also it is really the main thing needed for you to be able to
live up a comfortable life at the same time you would really be able to be happy on buying things that you do want or go into places on which you do want to go to. There's always that
advantage when you do have that financial capacity and this is the very main reason on why we are really that thriving to have a good job and having that good business or investment
that could generate out more income and be financially free. Who doesnt want that?

Being called anything isn't really that important as long as you believe you are doing the right thing. There are plenty of people in the world who shame others for doing what they love as well, don't listen to those people and do what is right for you, obviously within law. There are way too many people who ended up with worse lives just because they cared about what others said, and there is no benefit of doing such a thing. I believe we are going to see this changing for the long term as well, and we should be considering how this could be different and could have some good results with time as well.

I believe we can definitely see this change, just focus on being "slave" to money for a while, save enough and get a lot of it, and then you can retire rich and be master of money instead of slave of it. If you have enough, then you just relax at home when earning tons of money since your money will be working to make you more money.

I read a lot of lengthy topics nowadays with no valid point mostly economics board, don’t know if I’m the only one feeling same concerning lengthy post. I spent my time reading everything but could not understand the actual point op is trying to create due to multiple words.

Oh really! The least advice anyone can get staying poor or idle. I guess finding money involves a lot and it’s best op stop creating this narrative because everyone needs to work hard before earning more besides everyone needs more money probably yours might be different and personally this idea is wrong. Money waits for no one likewise time and if anyone should wait after a month they’re wasting their precious time.

For sure, you aren't the only one. I think the reason why the OP is using multiple words is because he is trying to make the reader understand it well but it is sad that it only make some readers more annoyed. It is still great that you address the issue here, as this can wake up those posters. You can give them a chance or you can choose to ignore them now. Anyways, they say that money is hard to earn, so yeah that it can involved a lot but there are different ways to earn it.

Some are only simple and some are complex. Despite some jobs are only simple, some are still not honest to do their jobs normally. It can be that they are lazy or find the job not really profitable, so they find ways to enhance it.

It is hardly worth agreeing with your opinion. Money is always real and in any state it has its material value. According to economic laws, the state issues its own money in the amount of all material values that are in civil circulation. It is clear that not every government strictly observes these proportions, but this is the general rule, and therefore money still has its value. Even in states with sky-high inflation.
If one million US dollars is nothing, I would like to have such nothing for several million.

And I thought I was the only one. I cannot comprehend or even summarize what he is posting about; this one, is something new to me.   :o

I have the habit of analyzing and summarizing the topic but I cannot on this one, is OP translated it from his native toungue for the configuration of the words to come out like this.
I hope if OP reads our post, I recommend that he stop posting like this and just summarize the context of what he wants to say, so we can have a good flow of the discussion.

I don't someone like OP will read any of our comments because he/she more likely posted the wall of text to show that how knowledgeable he/she is, but we all know he/she isn't that much knowledgeable about money and wealth. It's better to report such posts so moderators can lock such posts.