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Title: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: mktrader on March 31, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
Wal-Mart [WMT (NYSE)] has just filed a massive $5 billion lawsuit against VISA [V (NYSE)] over card processing fees..!!

It's all over the place in mainstream media:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-walmart-visa-lawsuit-idUSBREA2Q2BJ20140327 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-walmart-visa-lawsuit-idUSBREA2Q2BJ20140327)

http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/28/news/companies/walmart-visa-suit/ (http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/28/news/companies/walmart-visa-suit/)

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26780821 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26780821)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/wal-mart-sues-visa-claiming-card-transaction-fee-fixing.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/wal-mart-sues-visa-claiming-card-transaction-fee-fixing.html)

Is this the Beginning of the End for conventional payment processors like VISA & MASTERCARD (and Rise of the Bitcoin)?






Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Lauda on March 31, 2014, 09:01:24 PM
Well Wal-Mart isn't it time you started accepting Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Beliathon on March 31, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
What will cause the biggest upward trigger for Bitcoin Price?
None of the above. It will be the wake-up call that results from the inevitable fiat-implosion of one of the major national economies. That event will drives millions to seek refuge in crypto, and not just from the nation that implodes, but from every nation in the world.

I'm taking bets on whether it'll be the euro, the dollar, or the Yuan that pops first.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 31, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Huge companies can afford to settle.
They will not go down without a long, bitter fight against Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Velkro on March 31, 2014, 11:17:25 PM
heard about it couple days ago on reddit, bitcoin will replace easily visa/mastercard
so easy, smartphone and thats it


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: leopard2 on March 31, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
HARDWARE WALLET ... we need you!  :'(


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: TheMage on March 31, 2014, 11:38:42 PM
This is huge news! As much as I despise walmart....I despise the CC companies even more.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: durrrr on April 01, 2014, 02:41:46 AM
Well Wal-Mart isn't it time you started accepting Bitcoin?

i think it would make walmart more money because it would cut down on processing fees. i think walmart really should consider bitcoin as a payment method in the future


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: DoogieHouser on April 01, 2014, 02:57:02 AM
HARDWARE WALLET ... we need you!  :'(

+1



Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: atp1916 on April 01, 2014, 03:00:27 AM
Just like the Vietcong outlasted the US military in Vietnam, so shall Bitcoin technology outlast the banks and all of their expensive tastes.

Bleed 'em dry!


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: seriouscoin on April 01, 2014, 03:00:35 AM
Well Wal-Mart isn't it time you started accepting Bitcoin?

i think it would make walmart more money because it would cut down on processing fees. i think walmart really should consider bitcoin as a payment method in the future

For online, its easy. But brick and mortal retailers, we need something like hardware wallet to safely using btc publicly. I dont trust smartphone or ANY internet access.

With hardware wallet, you dont need to have internet access, you just sign the tx and on your way.
 


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: seriouscoin on April 01, 2014, 03:02:15 AM
Just like the Vietcong outlasted the US military in Vietnam, so shall Bitcoin technology outlast the banks and all of their expensive tastes.

Bleed 'em dry!

You make no sense whatsoever. What the fck does this has anything to do with banks and their expensive taste?



Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: superdork on April 01, 2014, 03:55:33 AM
None of the above.

Bank bail ins in a country that people have heard of (no offense talking about the masses here) that can't be swept under the rug.
(aka not Cyprus, but Spain Germany or France)


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: mktrader on April 01, 2014, 07:01:07 AM
Launch of a secure & usable hardware wallet will be a milestone in the history history of Bitcoin. 

In future, we can even expect credit card sized hardware wallets (which may be called 'Bitcoin Debit Devices') which merchants can simply swipe on their 'Bitcoin Debit Machines' to quickly charge their customers - all of this without the huge transaction processing charges.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 01, 2014, 07:03:51 AM
This is huge news! As much as I despise walmart....I despise the CC companies even more.

I'll be interested in updates.
It is Huge news.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Prolifik on April 01, 2014, 07:18:00 AM
Credit card company's wont admit it but they fear Bitcoin.

That's why it's so difficult to buy Bitcoins with a credit card.

Thankfully we still can @ VirWox via USD -> SLL -> BTC


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: RawDog on April 01, 2014, 07:42:45 AM
Credit card company's wont admit it but they fear Bitcoin.
That's why it's so difficult to buy Bitcoins with a credit card.
This is simply not true.  Visa hates dildos, bongs, pornography and bullets but you can buy those things with Visa.  Visa doesn't go around deciding who can use their system based upon their love/hate for a product.  If it is legal to sell, and sometimes even illegal, Visa is going to let you use the system so long as they get their cut.  Its just business.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: atp1916 on April 01, 2014, 12:39:30 PM
Just like the Vietcong outlasted the US military in Vietnam, so shall Bitcoin technology outlast the banks and all of their expensive tastes.

Bleed 'em dry!

You make no sense whatsoever. What the fck does this has anything to do with banks and their expensive taste?



Expensive taste = itemizing every single portion of their business model and charging an associated fee.

Think outside the box, son!


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: murraypaul on April 01, 2014, 12:44:38 PM
Is this the Beginning of the End for conventional payment processors like VISA & MASTERCARD (and Rise of the Bitcoin)?

No.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: jbrnt on April 01, 2014, 02:32:38 PM
Large corps like to threaten each other with lawsuits, but both know full well that they can't do without each other. Walmart will not accept visa at their counters? or Visa stop authorising payments at Walmart outlets?


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: murraypaul on April 01, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
Well Wal-Mart isn't it time you started accepting Bitcoin?

i think it would make walmart more money because it would cut down on processing fees. i think walmart really should consider bitcoin as a payment method in the future

It would make far, far, less money, because people would only be able to spend money they actually had right then, not buy on credit.
That would reduce WalMart's profits far more than the couple of percent they pay to Visa.


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: retrend on April 01, 2014, 02:55:29 PM
I'd be surprised if Walmart pay above 1% to Visa.  Not many bitcoin alternatives at that price yet is there?


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: vnvizow on April 01, 2014, 03:00:04 PM
Either Amazon or Ebay accepts Bitcoin or someone creates another site like Bitmit, I really want to buy stuff with Bitcoins again


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: igorr on April 01, 2014, 05:38:20 PM
Wal-Mart [WMT (NYSE)] has just filed a massive $5 billion lawsuit against VISA [V (NYSE)] over card processing fees..!!

It's all over the place in mainstream media:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-walmart-visa-lawsuit-idUSBREA2Q2BJ20140327 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-walmart-visa-lawsuit-idUSBREA2Q2BJ20140327)

http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/28/news/companies/walmart-visa-suit/ (http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/28/news/companies/walmart-visa-suit/)

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26780821 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26780821)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/wal-mart-sues-visa-claiming-card-transaction-fee-fixing.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/wal-mart-sues-visa-claiming-card-transaction-fee-fixing.html)

Is this the Beginning of the End for conventional payment processors like VISA & MASTERCARD (and Rise of the Bitcoin)?


Do you know for Chinese pay procesor Union Pay ?


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: bythesea on April 01, 2014, 05:41:58 PM
Wait, what? They are suing them because of high fees? And that is done by a company that's selling overpriced items? only in USA...


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Patel on April 01, 2014, 05:53:45 PM
AmEx already joined coinbase with their child company (square)


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: Arksun on April 01, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
None of the above.

Bank bail ins in a country that people have heard of (no offense talking about the masses here) that can't be swept under the rug.
(aka not Cyprus, but Spain Germany or France)

People never heard of Cyprus!?!?, where are these masses you speak of, the 'MURICA bible belt?


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: EndTheFed321 on April 01, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
the inevitable fiat-implosion :o


Title: Re: Wal-Mart Sues VISA for $5 Billion Over...(Guess What?)
Post by: grifferz on April 01, 2014, 06:42:37 PM
Credit card company's wont admit it but they fear Bitcoin.
That's why it's so difficult to buy Bitcoins with a credit card.
This is simply not true.  Visa hates dildos, bongs, pornography and bullets but you can buy those things with Visa.  Visa doesn't go around deciding who can use their system based upon their love/hate for a product.  If it is legal to sell, and sometimes even illegal, Visa is going to let you use the system so long as they get their cut.  Its just business.
It was legal to donate to Wikileaks when Visa stopped processing the payments.

I do agree though that it's more likely to be the rate of chargebacks that prevent most purchasing of bitcoins with credit cards.