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Title: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: alani123 on November 30, 2024, 09:40:09 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

And yet, the NCAA, the biggest college league for several sports, makes millions from broadcasting these games, selling rights and sports betting results.
But you would notice that in NCAA, even if you bet on a parlay with 10 games of 1.05 odds, it's more likely you'll be losing because upsets are more common than in a fully professional league.

Athletes in college sports are putting all  this effort and are paid nothing. Did you know that until very recently when there was a huge lawsuit reaching judgment, there was no agreement to compensate college athletes at all in the US?
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/10/penn-ncaa-settlement-player-payment

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 



Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 30, 2024, 10:15:27 PM
Impressive. I am guessing this is prompted by on of those threads today about unpopular sports to bet on. You marshalled out a lot of points and when you wrote about the little or no pay for those involved in sports, I had to connect the dots to why we see an increase in Match fixing in some unpopular sports. With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: OgNasty on November 30, 2024, 10:23:12 PM
I wouldn’t bet on non-pro sports mostly because I wouldn’t care to watch the games. Maybe if it was something ridiculous it might be fun, but college sports to me aren’t worth watching. The only exception is when I want to check out a big up and coming player before they hit the big leagues.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: _act_ on November 30, 2024, 10:24:40 PM
With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.
Bookies will prefer to use what many people know to advertise. That is why you will see star players like Messi and Ronaldo and other well known players see offers than players from not well known leagues. What the bookies need is to let people know about their gambling sites. So they target traffic.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 30, 2024, 10:35:36 PM
With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.
Bookies will prefer to use what many people know to advertise. That is why you will see star players like Messi and Ronaldo and other well known players see offers than players from not well known leagues. What the bookies need is to let people know about their gambling sites. So they target traffic.

Definitely, they want to promote their site as much as possible. That's their target so their business will continue to exist. Star players are expensive but the return may give them very good profitability.
When it comes to unpopular sports, most bookies won't list it as only few bettors will be interested on these betting lines. It may incur some operational expenses on their part, hence, some of them are not including those sports anymore.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Russlenat on November 30, 2024, 10:46:15 PM
The market is quite small, making it highly prone to manipulation. It’s like gambling with a 50-50 chance where you’re not even confident in your bet. Plus, there’s limited information available to analyze, which makes it even riskier.

For me, I’d avoid this kind of sport entirely, it seems too vulnerable to match-fixing. With so many professional and popular leagues out there to bet on, why bother with something like this, right? Better to stick with leagues where there’s more transparency and data to work with.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on November 30, 2024, 10:49:39 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.

Gambling in some conditions may comes in a different dimension which we never expect to see happened, lets take for instance the way you can just discover that a small team or club is beating a big one just like that, while you have already placed your bet and you're seeing all this happening as unusual occurrence, same as well, we can be having a good chance or opportunity in gambling on some of these unpopular gambling sports games or events, some of them could carry big odds as well as some being predictable and the game played could comes as expected, even more sure than the popular ones.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on November 30, 2024, 10:58:52 PM
I wouldn’t bet on non-pro sports mostly because I wouldn’t care to watch the games. Maybe if it was something ridiculous it might be fun, but college sports to me aren’t worth watching.
honestly...! I don't even feel the thrill of wagering like I should normally... If it's ridiculous, I'll just keep laughing for as long it stays funny at every sight.

The powerslap fits this description better than some other lame sports. I wouldn't try on such games, not even for free.
Away from all of this, it could just be another attempt to lure y'all into getting scammed; they could create some scripts behind closed doors, just to make it more realistic and entertaining. But then, can anyone predict according to the scripts?(I mean, I'm just guessing) Bottom line is, the fun derived from any gambling-related game is flawed for me if 22 players ain't running around the pitch and chasing on an inflicted rubber-glue. I love soccer and that stays for as long as I live.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 30, 2024, 11:04:46 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.
Whilst esports betting is quite popular nowadays, what's unpopular are the participating teams. There is tier 1 and tier 2 and the lower tier teams and players. Mostly, 1 and 2 are pro levels already. But you can't be sure with the small tournaments that even these pro level players can be sold, yes they can sell the game and that's because if it's not them but the people that they know are also betting to their matches. There are some mechanics that they just need to meet and will bet not specifically the match winner but like total scores, length of game, etc.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: o48o on November 30, 2024, 11:07:45 PM
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So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
Spending money to gambling has nothing to do with the situations where athletes don't get paid.

And not everyone is doing everything only because they get paid for it. People also play because they have love for the sport. It's their hobby that keeps their health up, and it's just plus if they get something out of it rather then just paying for their hobbies like rest of us.

And it's not like most gamblers are making big bucks of betting. It's a zero sum game, on which sports book take their cut. You have to have lot of losers in gambling in order to have winners. So how it would be unethical towards athletes, when gamblers are the ones risking their money?


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: uneng on November 30, 2024, 11:11:23 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level.  
Gambling companies do sponsor teams on different sports, but realistically speaking, they aren't going to sponsor teams which don't have much relevance in the sports scene, because it's not interesting for the brand. They wish their companies to be seen by a large audience, so they focus their sponsorships on the main leagues, especially in soccer industry. That is how business works, and there is nothing we can do about it.

It's not possible to boost the audience artificially, neither sponsorships. If the gambling platforms were ours, and we had to choose where to invest the propaganda budget, I guess we would adopt the same stance they do on this matter. After all, it's not charity. It's an investment aiming returns later.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shasan on November 30, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
Those teams I do not know or I have no idea about their performance I do not place any bet on that betting. Because there a lot of gambling bet while they are not popular and the result can be alternative of the thinking. FOr example on the cricket local team may not cover 100 runs but the betting may insist to bet on 300 runs.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Sanitough on November 30, 2024, 11:19:17 PM
And yet, the NCAA, the biggest college league for several sports, makes millions from broadcasting these games, selling rights and sports betting results.
But you would notice that in NCAA, even if you bet on a parlay with 10 games of 1.05 odds, it's more likely you'll be losing because upsets are more common than in a fully professional league.


This is why the speculation of rigging games came up. It’s just an observation, but we can always draw our own conclusions since we’re the ones betting on it. However,  when it comes to the odds, I think they don’t always make sense. You know,  odds can be overvalued to attract bettors into thinking that something like 1.05 is almost a sure win. what I’m saying is that it’s not always about the odds, it’s about how the game is being played. That means we need to watch the games closely to spot any signs of rigging.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Churchillvv on November 30, 2024, 11:32:26 PM
It's now clearer to me why I should avoid non-pro sports, I haven't ever thought of it the way I just did now. I just usually don't get to take sports that I know nothing about in my bets but when it comes to fixed a matches I usually don't know why such things happen but with article about I have seen a good reason why it's likely to keep happening. when athletes are not well payed people can manipulate them easily with price offering and this mostly happens on unpopular leagues. I think it's better to keep my distance from non-pro sports.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: BitMaxz on November 30, 2024, 11:43:37 PM
Betting on non-pro sports is likely more luck-based because you don't know their skills, plus it is boring to watch.
I am more confident to bet on professional players because you already know their skills.
Unless the odds are good, but if they are the same as on popular games with bad odds, then I prefer to bet on popular games over non-pro sports.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Wexnident on December 01, 2024, 01:46:55 AM
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Hmm idk, I don't really give a crap personally about how casinos would help these small-scale sports. I guess at its core the sport is just, well, as you've noted "unpopular" so it's no surprise why there's less money there.

Personally, I don't bet on unpopular sports because they're not enjoyable. That's my number 1 reason. Number 2 would just be the sample size. I heavily rely on matches prior to judging player skill, so as you've said, unpopular sports often have changes to players so it's more susceptible to having anyone literally win, which leads to less sample size for me to judge.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: bitbollo on December 01, 2024, 03:37:15 AM
There are also entire league or sports (or "e-sports") that are really hard to be trusted with gambling.
In my country I have seen this scenario of rigged matches also in major league (Aka Football Serie A).
If this happens on that level, its something "normal" this happens everywhere if there is a chance for gambling or any other economic advantage.
My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game. 


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: EluguHcman on December 01, 2024, 04:13:53 AM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
That is really good idea. Atleast to encourage the teams and also contributes to the promotion of the athletes which are not widely known.
But on a controversy, don't we think the casinos are basically on existence for business which interactive as an activity is regarded between the bookmakers and the players (gamblers)? Or otherwise an event of give and take which is either the gambling house profits or the players in the house takes the profits.

We can see even the handball amongst the sport games are not too interesting for players to ride on as much as the football and boxing is events is being so attractive and enjoyable to watch even in a reality.

Okay, my overview of this is that players would love to play were they have potential possiblities to make the right predictions to secure winning which could probably be one of a popular local and international sport events like the football.
The bookmakers may not want to invest on what would not yield them profits in returns but I think think your thoughts of elevating the unpopular events like the athletes especially on the local levels as said could have potential offers to bring to the crypto house a return of profitability.  Just gonna be in a matter of time because the World is eventually is evolving in discovery on potential events in both sports, entrepreneur and technologies closer and useful to the universe.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Julien_Olynpic on December 01, 2024, 04:19:22 AM
Unpopular sports are indeed those matches in which many non-professionals play. Yes, these may be people who have achieved a certain mastery in their game, but, as the author rightly put it, they must have a second job in order to have a sufficient source of income. Unfortunately, this is reality. But if we turn to the idea that bookmakers should sponsor these matches, then we will come to interesting phenomena. In fact, bookmakers will implicitly determine the outcome of many matches. There is already a conspiracy theory that the bookmaker pushes competing teams to one result or another.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Oshosondy on December 01, 2024, 04:35:35 AM
My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game. 
I prefer just football. I have seen strange odds before but not common. Sometimes I lose the bet while sometimes I will the bet. Strange odd do common if a good team is not playing good at the moment. That is where I did took note of something like that. Also if a club that is not good before is the champion and playing against a very good team. The one I remember about this later case was Leicester City odds against very good clubs like Manchester City when Leicester won EPL. There was one like that but in another league that I won 2 odds before. But the result sometimes can be unexpected. But I just for for common top leagues.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Mpamaegbu on December 01, 2024, 04:56:19 AM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity?
Well, I don't see anything wrong in that regard. It's the choice they made. I don't think athletes are forced into any sports. They decide on their own. If they want better paying sports they can switch to those. After all, we've seen sportsmen/women switch from one sports to another. I can recall a certain Nigeria professional footballer, Osaze Odemwingie, who crossed to Golf after retiring from football. So, it's a matter of interest. Those athletes who think they aren't paid well can risk crossing to other sports.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Kelward on December 01, 2024, 07:19:48 AM

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 


In any sports where there is little or no renumeration there is high chances of it being manipulated by officials and people that have stakes in the sports. So on a broader perspective it'll not attract mainstream gambling into the sports because how can you analyze the games when you have a feeling that it can be easily manipulated, it'll be a total waste of time.

I doubt that crypto bookies will care to fund these unpopular sports when they have their hands full with popular sports like football and basketball. The way forward for unpopular sports is for their organizers to make them more lucrative by paying the athletes very well, their lifestyles can attract fans to want to follow the sports that they're in. Also advertisment is key,, if a lot of funds are put into them, more people will be interested and gradually manipulations will decrease.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mak013 on December 01, 2024, 07:38:58 AM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

And yet, the NCAA, the biggest college league for several sports, makes millions from broadcasting these games, selling rights and sports betting results.
But you would notice that in NCAA, even if you bet on a parlay with 10 games of 1.05 odds, it's more likely you'll be losing because upsets are more common than in a fully professional league.

Athletes in college sports are putting all  this effort and are paid nothing. Did you know that until very recently when there was a huge lawsuit reaching judgment, there was no agreement to compensate college athletes at all in the US?
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/10/penn-ncaa-settlement-player-payment

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 


On the other hand, you can win the huge odd, betting against team with 1.05. It is high risk betting but the prize is great. I was in betting on low leagues for a long enough time. It was nice result for me.
The same time nobody makes you bet on such matches, you can just avoid it. I don`t think that we have to change something in such situation. The players grow up from league to league. Some moment they have to choose between sport or career. Who choose sports - grow up to their limits. May be it looks unfair, but it is real life, here there are lots of unfair things.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Hirose UK on December 01, 2024, 07:40:06 AM
In fact, sports that are less popular and not even of interest to most sports fans have low betting market for their volume and are considered unprofitable.
However, in my opinion sports that are less popular and have lower betting market volume will be easier for us to win, maybe there will be no manipulation because of the limited number of people betting and not many bookmakers using it as betting option.
I not sure bookmakers will take the initiative to fund certain associations or small competitions because that will also not be profitable for bookmakers.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: davis196 on December 01, 2024, 07:53:45 AM
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So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level.

Maybe some of the athletes are secretly betting on fixed matches and that's how they earn a side income. This is a big reason why I don't bet money on unpopular and amateur sports. The outcomes being unpredictable isn't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe betting on more unpredictable sports is a way for some lucky sports bettors to beat the bookies.
Why would a gambler give a damn about the athletes earning nothing while playing certain sports? The athletes are doing this voluntarily, nobody forced them to play in these sports. The gamblers care about the outcomes only, not about the athletes.
The crypto bookies usually don't have enough money to fund a local sports association, and I doubt that they would lower their profits just to spend some money on such small local sponsorships.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Solosanz on December 01, 2024, 08:17:49 AM
I have no excitement when betting on non-pro sports or unknown leagues/events.

Gambling is for fun, how can I get entertained if I'm not excited with the sports/teams/players that I bet? betting in non-pro sports is like gave away your money and hope you will win.

In my country I have seen this scenario of rigged matches also in major league (Aka Football Serie A).
If this happens on that level, its something "normal" this happens everywhere if there is a chance for gambling or any other economic advantage.  
Even in Premier League there was a fixed match, but the possibility is much lower than the unknown league or the amateur one.

In fact, sports that are less popular and not even of interest to most sports fans have low betting market for their volume and are considered unprofitable.
Nah, people want to bet non-pro sports because they find it's profitable. Since the volume is low, the odds will not be adjusted over and over, so you might odds that profitable to bet.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mindrust on December 01, 2024, 08:24:07 AM
That’s a wise approach. Who knows what kind of fuckery happening in those amateur sports. E-sports are also not much different. (Dota, CS etc) I believe most of the time we are watching a scripted game if it is not a pro-sports game. We should only bet on well known leagues/games/tournaments imo. Like the NBA, champions league, EPL, olympics, world cup etc… If the game doesn’t have watchers, it is easier to fix it because nobody will care. It is way harder to fix a world cup game for that reason.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 01, 2024, 08:31:08 AM
The reason why I don't place a bet for unpopular sports is because I don't know where I can finds the information and analyze it. But some people who familiar with the sports will bet on that because they thinks that the competition will not be though like the other sports. People will know what they want to bet and will choose after they see the lists on the casino. But the casino will still gives bet for the unpopular sports because they know that some people will search that for some reasons. Crypto bookies don't have to take the initiative to fund more small sports associations and let them search by themselves.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Cryptmuster on December 01, 2024, 08:33:10 AM
That’s a wise approach. Who knows what kind of fuckery happening in those amateur sports. E-sports are also not much different. (Dota, CS etc) I believe most of the time we are watching a scripted game if it is not a pro-sports game. We should only bet on well known leagues/games/tournaments imo. Like the NBA, champions league, EPL, olympics, world cup etc… If the game doesn’t have watchers, it is easier to fix it because nobody will care. It is way harder to fix a world cup game for that reason.

I agree, because I'm not even entirely sure that games in professional leagues can be completely fair, and I don't even want to think about amateur ones, because I'm almost sure that not everything is so clean there. I even know of a case when in one of the amateur divisions in my city, there was a referee who could appoint a penalty by agreement, he didn't work for long, but I think simply because he wasn't very careful, but I'm sure that these are not isolated cases.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: crwth on December 01, 2024, 08:41:59 AM
I do see that people would compare it to professional sports, but that's definitely on an entirely different level. Players on non-pro are probably not that serious, and it's not their priority to do it full-time. This will lead to inconsistencies in their performance, and if we translate it to betting, that risk would be hard to calculate. Additionally, there would be fewer odds in this, and it would be hard to predict outcomes.

With these things in mind, I agree that avoiding non-pro sports is the best option if you want to have money.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Adbitco on December 01, 2024, 08:47:56 AM
My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game. 
I could remember few weeks ago I tried to bet on a live odd (match) and I saw the difference, the thing is to bet on live game is either wait for the first half or target the second half with this you can determine what the possible outcome could be. Betting on live game reduces the risk to about 40% but the odds are usually very poor and for someone to have reasonable odds it would take you about 8-15 different matches to achieve at least 5-6 odds.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mammusu on December 01, 2024, 09:15:23 AM
Amateur sports have many variables that are difficult for us to predict, especially for those of us who want to make bets in it, the inconsistency of player performance and the lack of reliable data make the betting risk higher, because indeed we do not have data that can be a reference, if we really want to get a win, of course focus on professional sports that are more structured and have more complete statistical data is a better choice good and wise in my opinion.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Gheka on December 01, 2024, 09:29:24 AM
In fact, sports that are less popular and not even of interest to most sports fans have low betting market for their volume and are considered unprofitable.
However, in my opinion sports that are less popular and have lower betting market volume will be easier for us to win, maybe there will be no manipulation because of the limited number of people betting and not many bookmakers using it as betting option.
I not sure bookmakers will take the initiative to fund certain associations or small competitions because that will also not be profitable for bookmakers.
There are still a few non-professional sports that are listed by bookmakers in their betting areas but the level seems to be entertainment because the information of these sports is not much as well as the mass of people who want to participate are only addicts when professional sports have time to rest. I'm also not sure it will be easy to win when the small scale comes with a lack of professionalism, the opponents are almost lacking in seriousness and the intense confrontation sometimes becomes a child's play, not really good for betting.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Salahmu on December 01, 2024, 09:58:21 AM
I doubt that crypto bookies will care to fund these unpopular sports when they have their hands full with popular sports like football and basketball. The way forward for unpopular sports is for their organizers to make them more lucrative by paying the athletes very well,

Actually for the unpopular sports to be globally recognized as important for them may not even work out if there organizers changes some of the things about them because in sports general there are few of them that have gotten the audience and not only because of the entertainment they are giving but also for the medical help it provides by doing exercise, so actually it was through soccer a lot of people discover the value of some of the things they felt wasn't necessary, secondly another thing that are affecting some of the unpopular sports is that there TV channel are not noticeable to people, so perhaps if there sports are being showcased as they normally do on soccer I believe they would have gotten some attention.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: GreatArkansas on December 01, 2024, 10:06:43 AM
It's extremely prone to match-fixing, just think of the pro sports where you can see match-fixing. For me, sometimes it's the league, the teams/players that really matter here pro or non-pro sports.
For example in pro sports basketball is the sport in particular. Even in our current national basketball league, especially if the season starts, there are a lot of match fixings happening but they are still not being properly handled by authorities. There are some obvious games happening.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Pandorak on December 01, 2024, 10:21:23 AM
It feels right that betting on unpopular sports needs to be avoided, because these matches are usually very difficult to guess, especially because we do not know about the performance of the team we will choose. Moreover, in unpopular sports there are many uncertainty, for example, for the favorite team alone often loses, of course this makes us think twice for betting. Sometimes i try to play in unpopular sports, but not in large amounts for betting, because i think it is too big for the risk, and i can say the possibility of winning is only a small percentage, and the probability of winning is only 30% based on my personal experience.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on December 01, 2024, 10:28:18 AM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
Well if its a collegiate match we can say some or few got some offered money to play or to win the competition. At least from my country thats how the system works. Cause pirating good players is very common, but it doesnt mean we cant have an accuracy on betting if we have few history on how good they are playing right? I dont know my opinion on the matter, but agree that if you gotta bet much better to do it on a professional level sport league.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Oasisman on December 01, 2024, 10:34:28 AM
Well, I guess everyone has the most obvious reason why we all agree that betting on unpopular sports or non pro sports is a bad idea, simply because we are not interested in those type of league. It doesn't seem fun betting on something you're not familiar with. Odds could be very tricky and challenging, especially when what you all have is the records/standings, and that doesn't tell everything we want to know whether we place a bet on a good odds or not.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: kotajikikox on December 01, 2024, 10:39:31 AM
Athletes in college sports are putting all  this effort and are paid nothing. Did you know that until very recently when there was a huge lawsuit reaching judgment, there was no agreement to compensate college athletes at all in the US?
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/10/penn-ncaa-settlement-player-payment
I think this is exclusive to your country only because in my country the government does give prize money or other benefits when an athlete competes and wins especially when it is in a global stage. The thing is I also do not think they should be earning exactly because they are not pro athletes yet and being a student athlete already gives them benefits in their schools. Lots of schools offer scholarships for their student athletes which helps them get to pro if they would want to.
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So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
Is there any betting event where it is betting on college sports in huge gambling platforms? AFAIK there's none or at least close to. Because not a lot of people outside that region is interested anyway.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Mia Chloe on December 01, 2024, 10:45:17 AM
Betting on non-pro sports is likely more luck-based because you don't know their skills, plus it is boring to watch.
I am more confident to bet on professional players because you already know their skills.
Unless the odds are good, but if they are the same as on popular games with bad odds, then I prefer to bet on popular games over non-pro sports.
Yes that's quite true. Regardless of the fact that regular pro sport games still require some luck for you to be able to pull off a win, it's not as unpredictable as that of non pro sport games. Infact  betting on non sport games is almost similar to it since you are hardly certain most of the time which team will win the game.
Aside that, gambling is more fun when you are actually sitting back to watch the team you bet on play against an opponent. It's more interesting than just looking for spreadsheet with the scores. Infact I think that is actually where a great deal of fun comes from.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: AliMan on December 01, 2024, 10:45:32 AM
I don't sports athletes get nothing from their strong efforts, I guess they're sponsored by the school where they became varsities from the team. Though it's not that huge compensation which isn't yet totally funded like on those professional teams who became part of their career.
Hopefully someday these hardworking sports players would come to their goals hitting the big break. Hopefully gambling institutions would sponsor them for their promotions, since they're not that expensive compared to famous and popular Athletes.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: _act_ on December 01, 2024, 11:12:13 AM
Hopefully someday these hardworking sports players would come to their goals hitting the big break. Hopefully gambling institutions would sponsor them for their promotions, since they're not that expensive compared to famous and popular Athletes.
If you are a gambling site, will you sponsor them? Or let me out it in a better way. If you see well known sport and non well known sport, as a gambling site, which one will you sponsor?

Gamble sites sponsor anything that can make them progress and not what that will not have much value to them. The later is just a waste of money and no gambling site will do that.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: viljy on December 01, 2024, 11:38:31 AM
In my opinion, the reasons to avoid betting on such sports are quite obvious to everyone. The inconvenience of betting in many aspects, the risks of rigged results, and other things that are already listed in the posts of this thread above. But for me, for example, the main reason is that I'm just not interested. For example, handball... What is this? Do I know there's an unusual shaped ball there, or am I confusing it with rugby? It doesn't matter, I'm not interested in it at all. Moreover, I don't want to find out about it. This is just an example. Therefore, everyone bets on what they are interested in. That's why unpopular sports are such - they are not interesting to most people.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Slow death on December 01, 2024, 12:02:12 PM
I don't bet on non-professional sports, because websites specializing in sports analyze games from professional leagues and post news about games from professional leagues. So it's easier to analyze games from professional leagues than to take a risk on non-professional sports. Also, the risk of betting on fixed games tends to be higher in non-professional sports. Unfortunately, when people think more about making money quickly, they are sometimes not very rational and may bet on non-professional sports.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: freedomgo on December 01, 2024, 12:06:53 PM
If you are a gambling site, will you sponsor them? Or let me out it in a better way. If you see well known sport and non well known sport, as a gambling site, which one will you sponsor?

Gamble sites sponsor anything that can make them progress and not what that will not have much value to them. The later is just a waste of money and no gambling site will do that.

I think there are some less popular sports that still have betting demand in the market. I’m sure I’ve seen games like that in a sportsbook somewhere. But you’re right, they pay for those through their providers. Maybe they see it as something that can attract more sports bettors, so they add it to their market. Most sportsbooks already have the major leagues for various sports, so adding something like that could just add extra value to them.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Outhue on December 01, 2024, 12:41:24 PM
This is your opinion, I have read too many times here how gamblers prefer to place bet on non pro athletes or teams, bit I keep asking them what the end result will still be, to win is still a gamble so why even try.

I don't hate sports either and I do bet on football the most but that is because I understand this sport more than others, anyways, gamblers should stop looking for similar ways hoping that it will increase their chances of winning, if you are meant to lose you will lose.

Too much focus on winning won't help anyone in gambling, better find more reasons to gamble than just the money.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mirakal on December 01, 2024, 12:54:00 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.


In the end, gamblers place their bets blindly, with luck as their only ally. The truth is, there’s often a lot of trickery and manipulation involved. Bettors don’t really know the players—they’re just relying on odds. That’s the biggest mistake you can make, and it’s nearly impossible to challenge the results, especially if you don’t fully understand the game or if you’re betting on a less reputable site.

Playing it safe is always the smarter choice. Stick to reputable sites and games you’re familiar with. That way, we can feel more secure and actually enjoy the experience without unnecessary doubts. And aside from that, we have a bigger chance of winning. 


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 01, 2024, 01:09:24 PM
Football is my favorite sports activity and most of the time when I go gambling, it's usually on football games I place my bets on and the reason is because that's the only game that I find more time to watch live matches and read team's update which is why it is easy for me to even make predictions. I find it difficult to frequently bet on games that I am not conversant with or that I don't watch more often to follow up the game.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Popkon6 on December 01, 2024, 01:12:57 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Unpopular sports have fewer gamblers betting on them, so the games are slowly moving away from gamblers. Especially the more popular the game, the more people want to bet on it and the more gamblers are involved in betting. Currently, football, cricket, and boxing are the most popular sports in the world where the number of gamblers is high.
 It is possible to win more if you bet here, and the desire of gamblers is high for the team whose popularity is high. I think that all the games that are unpopular now are less crowded, but if these are gradually included in the list of gamblers, the number of gamblers will definitely increase.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: passwordnow on December 01, 2024, 01:29:56 PM
In the niche that I used to bet, there have been cases like that in the past. And good thing that the developer or manager of the (e)sport itself have stepped in and giving sanctions to those that have been found cheating or caught into some shady bets while being the player themselves. There's the conflict of interest in there and that's why I also avoid games that I think it's being abused and such tactics are proliferated.

And as I was talking about the developer or manager of the game/niche that I am betting. These are the players that have been given sample and sanctioned of being banned to the grandest tournaments in dota 2 or Valve sponsored events.

Valve Banned Players (https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players/Valve) - and on the other tab of that page, there are the other players that have been banned for some other reasons.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Marvelockg on December 01, 2024, 01:30:53 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
if bookies are not investing in those sports, it only tells how unpopular they are.
bookies are always in when they know that the league they are investing in is one that is popular or that the sports have a lot of gambling audience and so encouraging the athlete in their own little way will still yield them good returns.

it's not the responsibility of bookies to pay college players even if the games are available on some gambling platforms. it's the responsibility of the body that is in charge of those games to ensure that the students are at least compensated, and the sports is made attractive so investors can come in also. i wouldn't even bet on leagues that are popular just because they are popular when i am not familiar with the strength of the team. gambling is already risky even with leagues and games you are familiar with let alone going to one that you can't tell how serious the athlete takes the game.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Agbamoni on December 01, 2024, 01:31:53 PM
Hopefully someday these hardworking sports players would come to their goals hitting the big break. Hopefully gambling institutions would sponsor them for their promotions, since they're not that expensive compared to famous and popular Athletes.
Gamble sites sponsor anything that can make them progress and not what that will not have much value to them. The later is just a waste of money and no gambling site will do that.
This I agree with you. Gambling platforms are only willing to sponsor stars that can attract many persons to visit their sites. It must not be a sport star, it can be a start in porn, entertainment, or any other industry. As long as such person has a lot of loyal fans that will generate traffic for the gambling platforms. I also noticed that gambling platforms are more interested in sponsoring a club rather than individual players. Unless big starts like Ronaldo, Benzema, Messi, Neymar, and a few others have been a top target by any gambling site.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: danherbias07 on December 01, 2024, 02:10:56 PM
They are also prone to fixed matches. WNBA is a good example too. It's professional sports and yet it's almost like everything is scripted. Because the league pays little to the WNBA players, they are also prone to finding other jobs to secure their future which means some players could be exhausted before they play the game or they won't even play at all.
The only good thing about the WNBA is that many players are fighting for something and one of those is gender equality which is a big thing. By showing how women can also make greatness, it will be seen by others who are against it and maybe it will change even if it's slow. Let's face it, there's a big difference in the number of fanbase of the NBA versus the WNBA.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Mpamaegbu on December 01, 2024, 02:53:03 PM
How does anyone feel comfortable betting on what they don't know or have idea of? I mean, how can someone place a bet on athletes whose abilities they don't even know. This is why I've continued to maintain that gambling is a luck thing. It doesn't require any strategy to hit a win. It's just pure luck. It comes when it comes, there's nothing a gambler does exceptionally to bring in a win. That's my perspective, anyway. Those who place bets on "non-pro sports" may not even know when those games are being played. They just want to gamble and can't resist themselves doing that.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Beparanf on December 01, 2024, 03:31:53 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Your suggestion is valid but not a must. Sports is run by different sports organizations that gains through their athletes meaning they are the one responsible to fund players not that casino just using their matches result as basis of betting.

Our bets is not directly affecting the result of the game which means even if we bet tons of money on a certain player it doesn’t boost its winning percentage hence our bet is irrelevant to the match.

I said helping athletes is optional since casino do gain profit using their matches but not directly benefit on the match rather on the bets made.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Ambatman on December 01, 2024, 03:39:38 PM
Like you said unpopular
I can't bet on something I have little or no knowledge about
And definitely can't bet on a sport I don't watch personally
Gathering data about a team online is different from collecting such directly from the source
i.e during their plays.

I have seen friends bet on such sport though
Some because of the odds while few because they pay attention to the said sport
Well usually in footballs pertaining to leagues that ain't even in the Top 10.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shasan on December 01, 2024, 03:47:51 PM
Like you said unpopular
I can't bet on something I have little or no knowledge about
And definitely can't bet on a sport I don't watch personally
Gathering data about a team online is different from collecting such directly from the source
i.e during their plays.

I have seen friends bet on such sport though
Some because of the odds while few because they pay attention to the said sport
Well usually in footballs pertaining to leagues that ain't even in the Top 10.
I usually do not bet the same of you. I think you and I are on the same point. Those teams that are not familiar might be compromised and there might be higher odds of who will actually win and it happens to make a loss by the odd. As a result, participants in the bet become losers.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Porfirii on December 01, 2024, 03:51:51 PM
I wouldn’t bet on non-pro sports mostly because I wouldn’t care to watch the games. Maybe if it was something ridiculous it might be fun, but college sports to me aren’t worth watching. The only exception is when I want to check out a big up and coming player before they hit the big leagues.

That's what I think too. I'm not a big sports bettor but when I do it is mostly because I will watch the match and I want to increase a little bit the thrill: we always have a team, player, fighter etc. we want to see winning, and that's enough, but adding a little extra prize to the equation makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to me is betting in non-pro sports you don't understand or you don't mind even watching, because it is like pure gambling, and I think that there are better games for that.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Hispo on December 01, 2024, 03:52:39 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

It would be nice if such a thing happened, sure but there would be a problem with that approach... Usually casinos and sport bookies sponsor leagues of sport which are professional and are very popular in their own betting platforms. They sponsor teams because they are popular already and they would like to bring fans into betting for the first time in their bookies and markets, that is the objective of those sponsorships. On the other hand, there is no warranty a sport or league will suddenly become popular because they count on with the money and name provided by a casino, it takes much more than that for a sport to take off and start to bring gamblers and bettors willing to risk their money. So even though I agree it is unfair for those people not to be able to live off their passion, a big casino alone would not be able to reverse the situation and make something considered to be a niche sport into a popular one.
Sports like Football and Baseball are themselves or big cultural meaning in entire countries, like Brazil and the United States,.for example.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: adultcrypto on December 01, 2024, 04:02:59 PM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: iv4n on December 01, 2024, 04:16:10 PM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.

For some reason that is going well for you... and that's cool. I have tried several times with bets on unpopular sports or very low and unpopular leagues, but they were all failures. So I avoid betting on nonpopular sports and teams in lower leagues. As in many other things, in gambling something can work for one but not for many others.

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

In my country, casinos do something like that. They invest in some teams and whole leagues, equip sports fields all over the country, and things like that. I think they get a good tax break for it, and more importantly, they make a lot of publicity out of it...




Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mindrust on December 01, 2024, 04:29:03 PM
They are also prone to fixed matches. WNBA is a good example too. It's professional sports and yet it's almost like everything is scripted. Because the league pays little to the WNBA players, they are also prone to finding other jobs to secure their future which means some players could be exhausted before they play the game or they won't even play at all.
The only good thing about the WNBA is that many players are fighting for something and one of those is gender equality which is a big thing. By showing how women can also make greatness, it will be seen by others who are against it and maybe it will change even if it's slow. Let's face it, there's a big difference in the number of fanbase of the NBA versus the WNBA.

I don’t understand why it is our business to make people watch WNBA or other similar unpopular leagues. People watch NBA more because they like it more. Who are we to tell other people what to watch, what to like? Gender equality is a scam. There are certain stuff which women are good at doing and vice versa. Genders are already equal in that sense, however some morons think men should get pregnant and women should become commandos. That my friend will never happen. The more the woke/swj turds push this scam, the more irritating it gets. If they keep doing it, next time another Trump will win the election.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shield132 on December 01, 2024, 05:08:11 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

And yet, the NCAA, the biggest college league for several sports, makes millions from broadcasting these games, selling rights and sports betting results.
But you would notice that in NCAA, even if you bet on a parlay with 10 games of 1.05 odds, it's more likely you'll be losing because upsets are more common than in a fully professional league.

Athletes in college sports are putting all  this effort and are paid nothing. Did you know that until very recently when there was a huge lawsuit reaching judgment, there was no agreement to compensate college athletes at all in the US?
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/10/penn-ncaa-settlement-player-payment

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
I also avoid betting on unknown leagues and teams, I don't trust the odds given by bookmakers on these unknown teams. I made an experiment, placed a bet on 3 games, it was a football team from India if I remember correctly, the odds of each of the teams winning was 10, so the sum odd of my ticket was 1000. Two teams out of three with 10 odds of win, won the match, only the 3rd one lost and the match result was 2-1.
For me, this experiment proved that we shouldn't bet on unknown sports leagues and teams. We also shouldn't make a bet according to the odds because sometimes bookmakers give low odds to a team that's likely to lose and high odds to a team that's likely to win. I know that sounds strange but many people place a blind bet on sports teams, so casinos use that advantage to cheat on odds of unknown teams.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Odusko on December 01, 2024, 05:11:05 PM
Unpopular sports like this are mostly ending up to be match fixing. A lot of people have talked about match fixing and how they’re been organized in favour of a team so that those that bet on the games can win big. Match fixing is more prevalent in unpopular football teams that are not fully under regulations, not abiding mostly by the rules of the game. Mostly the officials are bribed to allow one of the teams to win the game, so it’ll be hard to see a tough time for teams that are not in the right position to score even when they happen to be the better team to win the match. One thing I’ve also noticed in match fixing games is that, the home team is mostly favoured and if the officials do not officiate in favour of the home team, he may be harmed before leaving that premises. It is better to avoid betting on such games as the outcome is already known even before the match is played.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Wakate on December 01, 2024, 05:15:08 PM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.
The Barcelona defeat yesterday was quite very funny and I lost a fortune from that bet. Maybe next I will not undermine unpopular club and I will be more smart when picking odds. We all thought that Barcelona is going to win or rather draw the match, I was quite shocked when I noticed that till 85 minutes, Barcelona could not score another goal to make the match a draw. This is one of the most annoying match I've ever seen and I think I will be very conscious next time. It is better I bet unpopular sport and lose the bet than to bet on big team and find out that they could not even impress the fans and those that have bet on the match.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: adultcrypto on December 01, 2024, 05:23:20 PM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.
For some reason that is going well for you... and that's cool. I have tried several times with bets on unpopular sports or very low and unpopular leagues, but they were all failures. So I avoid betting on nonpopular sports and teams in lower leagues. As in many other things, in gambling something can work for one but not for many others.
Have you tried armature leagues of Poland with the option of home score over 1.5 goals in some carefully selected matches where home is the stronger and away concede a lot of goals? Just run a simple analysis on that league as an example and give me your feedback. You can also check first division of Singapore and second division of Slovakia for over  3.5 and over 2.5 goals respectively. Just go through these few unpopular leagues for the options I gave and see the outcome.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Vaculin on December 01, 2024, 05:26:59 PM
I wouldn’t say it’s totally a waste of time, but betting on non-pro sports is less exciting and even less rewarding for most of us here who are regular gamblers. This kind of sports will result more unpredictable outcomes, making us lost the excitement unlike if we are watching professional games/players. The quality of the competition is low and so it becomes less engaging for us, thus losing the public interest because of poor quality of the competition, wherein fans or bettors will no longer feel the excitement anymore.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: bittraffic on December 01, 2024, 06:27:05 PM

The locals know more of those players yet all the international bettors need to know are just the odds given by the bookmakers in order to casts bets on these matches. They don't even need to watch the game yet somehow tend to win their bets which is kind of tempting to do as well. There have been some topics about this and interestingly the casinos are making those matches available to all which is why those guys brags about their strategy that works for local matches.



Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: kotajikikox on December 01, 2024, 06:48:02 PM
I don’t understand why it is our business to make people watch WNBA or other similar unpopular leagues. People watch NBA more because they like it more. Who are we to tell other people what to watch, what to like? Gender equality is a scam.
NBA is a lot more popular because it has existed a lot longer and has accumulated a bigger fanbase already. NBA is now an established league and has people from all over the world watching. It’s not really the same for women who were discouraged from playing sports that were seen as exclusively for men.

I agree that we shouldn’t force it but as a society and as a man, we also have to reevaluate why we don’t want to watch it. Is it because the league isn’t at its best yet or is it because you think of women as inferior? That’s the difference.

Anyway going back to the original point, I do think leagues like WNBA will generate more attention next time but right now if you are the only bettor on the event it’s kind of pointless.



Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: _act_ on December 01, 2024, 07:22:28 PM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.
What club is that? Not only those like EPL, Bundesliga, Seria A, French Lique 1 and other tops leagues are only the popular leagues. I also do go for other leagues but which are good also in a way that manipulation is not significantly or not existing. The reason some people do not like unpopular leagues is because of how matches can be manipulated there.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: bitbollo on December 01, 2024, 07:23:13 PM
My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game.  
I could remember few weeks ago I tried to bet on a live odd (match) and I saw the difference, the thing is to bet on live game is either wait for the first half or target the second half with this you can determine what the possible outcome could be. Betting on live game reduces the risk to about 40% but the odds are usually very poor and for someone to have reasonable odds it would take you about 8-15 different matches to achieve at least 5-6 odds.

The real thing that most of people are not aware... fixed matches can be easily disputed by bookmakers = you will not get rewarded !
Even if you know an event like this, you will have very low odds, no market, and the risk to not get your money in case of win.
No, I will just not follow any match like this.
In case there are real "good news" and fixed matche, you are not aware of it... ::)


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: bakasabo on December 01, 2024, 07:34:10 PM
I also avoid betting or even considering non-pro sports or virtual sports. Because I have noticed how random results are, each of such athletes, teams dont show constant results. While participating against someone 10 times, the results will be random. That is noticeable especially in virtual sports. A team that is good on one map or playing with specific team or character, is good only at specific moments, and can show very low performance in next game. For example in counter-strike, if one team is winning with score 16:1, it does not mean that on the next map, this team will be as dominant as now.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: famososMuertos on December 01, 2024, 09:52:29 PM
Well... many topics in one idea, I think it is the personal approach that matters, specializing in a sport and/or leagueis crucial, regardless of whether it is professional or not.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: KTChampions on December 01, 2024, 10:05:09 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

And yet, the NCAA, the biggest college league for several sports, makes millions from broadcasting these games, selling rights and sports betting results.
But you would notice that in NCAA, even if you bet on a parlay with 10 games of 1.05 odds, it's more likely you'll be losing because upsets are more common than in a fully professional league.

Athletes in college sports are putting all  this effort and are paid nothing. Did you know that until very recently when there was a huge lawsuit reaching judgment, there was no agreement to compensate college athletes at all in the US?
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/10/penn-ncaa-settlement-player-payment

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

I can say that I strongly disagree with you on three points:

1. The odds are normal, but the bookmaker's margin is not, because the less popular the competition, the higher the risks + less liquidity.
2. If there are many upsets, then why not just bet on the underdog and get rich.
3. When you bet on unpopular sports, you increase interest in them, when you ignore them, on the contrary. Think about it.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Russlenat on December 01, 2024, 10:14:29 PM
Well... many topics in one idea, I think it is the personal approach that matters, specializing in a sport and/or leagueis crucial, regardless of whether it is professional or not.
True.... But the main point of sports betting is to be profitable, but it's not for everyone. Non-popular sports usually have limited information available, as only a few people are interested in them. On the other hand, popular games come with tons of websites providing stats we can use to analyze the match. While it doesn’t guarantee a win, having more information to work with is definitely better than having just a little, especially when we’re trying to make confident predictions. After all, we’re all just playing the game of prediction.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: EarnOnVictor on December 02, 2024, 06:40:59 AM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
This is not always true, though professional sports are more popular and more predictable, it's not all lesser ones that are unpredictable. As a fact, some people even prefer them, they often gamble with them because of the high odds attached to the cadre, unlike professional sports with a very low odds attached to the sure team that will win.

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Athletes in college sports are putting all  this effort and are paid nothing. Did you know that until very recently when there was a huge lawsuit reaching judgment, there was no agreement to compensate college athletes at all in the US?
I know, and I didn't expect them to be paid anything, but of course, there will be some perks, honour and sponsorships. This is not different from what is happening in other parts of the world, college is still a context here and those guys give their best because they are energised at that age and excited to do so. They can from there become whatever they want to become having shown what they've got to the world, the money can be made later.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Sanitough on December 02, 2024, 07:36:24 AM

True.... But the main point of sports betting is to be profitable, but it's not for everyone. Non-popular sports usually have limited information available, as only a few people are interested in them.
It’s not a problem if you’re familiar with unpopular sports. Besides, you don’t need to consider everyone’s opinion about it as long as you’re making money. The main point is to be profitable, right?

On the other hand, popular games come with tons of websites providing stats we can use to analyze the match. While it doesn’t guarantee a win, having more information to work with is definitely better than having just a little, especially when we’re trying to make confident predictions. After all, we’re all just playing the game of prediction.
Popular games are more transparent, but there are still rumors that even these are rigged. In all kinds of leagues and sports, you can find numerous rumors or conspiracy videos online. So, while there's no guarantee of winning, the key point is that you're not betting blindly because you have transparent information to analyze.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shasan on December 04, 2024, 11:54:39 PM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.
Anything may happen by chance. The bet you have to win is probably by chance. Though gambling depends on luck/by chance and/or strategy Yet for non-pro sports technical analysis or data base analysis might not be possible. And for that reason it is hardly impossible to guess who may win the game.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Hatchy on December 05, 2024, 12:25:31 AM
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Literally I won't want to bet on a game I don't know of. The most popular sport we all bet on is soccer. I usually just prefer sticking to one game as it's easier to analyze such game and get better results during your betting. Why most of these sports aren't popular is because they have less sponsors compared to those that has a mass population of lovers, fans and sponsors. Such games would want to be seen and heard of any updates and thus people would want to place bets on them.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Darker45 on December 05, 2024, 01:37:28 AM
On the brighter side, it's actually good if you are fond of betting on underdogs. The odds are better and yet the probability of an upset is also higher. Especially if you're closely following such leagues and you're already familiar with the players, their plays, their tendencies, and so on, it might be easier for you to catch great odds.

But I doubt that the odds aren't pretty much reflective of the possible outcomes. Oddsmakers don't release odds on sports and leagues they aren't familiar with.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: jcojci on December 05, 2024, 02:04:57 AM
My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.
Anything may happen by chance. The bet you have to win is probably by chance. Though gambling depends on luck/by chance and/or strategy Yet for non-pro sports technical analysis or data base analysis might not be possible. And for that reason it is hardly impossible to guess who may win the game.
Yes, anything may happen because that will depends on luck. He got his lucky in unpopular match so he can win and take the money. Well, that will not always happens since analyze the unpopular match will not easy. We must search for more information from more sources because I think the information will not available on the place that we often use to search the information. Even though they have a good skill in analysis, but without more information about the unpopular match, they will not have a chance to pick the right choice.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Chikito on December 05, 2024, 02:25:18 AM
For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.
the same thing happened to athletes in my country. They look for side jobs to maintain their life, there are even some athletes working as an Uber online in the morning and playing football for the clubs in the afternoon. definitely, the match result will always be unexpected even have good odds for the clubs because the athletes already tired on the fields.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Free Market Capitalist on December 05, 2024, 03:54:15 AM
Curious about this. I remember seeing interviews with successful bettors who said that in the past they were able to succeed precisely because they bet on this type of sports competitions, where the bookmakers did not adjust the odds so well. Something that with time has become more difficult as well. Now the OP gives us this vision according to which it would be the other way around and I can not judge because I have not played sports betting in my life more than the occasional bet.

On the brighter side, it's actually good if you are fond of betting on underdogs. The odds are better and yet the probability of an upset is also higher. Especially if you're closely following such leagues and you're already familiar with the players, their plays, their tendencies, and so on, it might be easier for you to catch great odds.

But I doubt that the odds aren't pretty much reflective of the possible outcomes. Oddsmakers don't release odds on sports and leagues they aren't familiar with.

This is more in line with my understanding.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Oluwa-btc on December 05, 2024, 04:12:40 AM

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Since the athletes are putting in more efforts I think they should be ransomely compensated for that cause they are putting in their best, sincerely speaking it's un called for  that the bookies could actually act this mean. And I feel bad to hear that the athletes don't get a cut from the bets, cause since they are a small sports in the game they require more financial aid to boost their efficiency.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mak013 on December 05, 2024, 06:45:28 AM
On the brighter side, it's actually good if you are fond of betting on underdogs. The odds are better and yet the probability of an upset is also higher. Especially if you're closely following such leagues and you're already familiar with the players, their plays, their tendencies, and so on, it might be easier for you to catch great odds.

But I doubt that the odds aren't pretty much reflective of the possible outcomes. Oddsmakers don't release odds on sports and leagues they aren't familiar with.
I often catch such mistakes, but it is difficult enough. You have to know if the bookie would give this match, if the odds would be interesting enough. So if you`re serious in such bets - it is good way to get fast money, but it wouldn`t be easy money. And searching information would be a big part of the job.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Cryptmuster on December 05, 2024, 07:01:49 AM

Since the athletes are putting in more efforts I think they should be ransomely compensated for that cause they are putting in their best, sincerely speaking it's un called for  that the bookies could actually act this mean. And I feel bad to hear that the athletes don't get a cut from the bets, cause since they are a small sports in the game they require more financial aid to boost their efficiency.

Non-professional sports initially imply that athletes either do not earn or earn very little, and often bookmakers do not accept bets on such sports, and if they do, then you need to be very careful with these bets, because it seems to me that in this case it is much easier to organize a fixed game. Maybe I am wrong, but I have no desire to check this, I will not be able to prove it and therefore I will simply not consider such games for betting.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Kelward on December 05, 2024, 07:04:48 AM
For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.
the same thing happened to athletes in my country. They look for side jobs to maintain their life, there are even some athletes working as an Uber online in the morning and playing football for the clubs in the afternoon. definitely, the match result will always be unexpected even have good odds for the clubs because the athletes already tired on the fields.
Professional athletics should be a full time job so that they can deliver their very best on the field of play, having a second job to sustain themselves and their families will be a big distraction for them. Athletes lifestyles outside the pitch is very important for people to value them because they're supposed to be watched and be known by many people, if you see your favorite athletes hustling on the street, it can reduce their values. People attributes athletes with celebrity status and if a perticular sport athletes are not living up to a certain standard, them and their sport might not be taken seriously. There's need to pay athletes very well, especially those who have labored very hard to be in top form, it'll help their sport to be in the limelight.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Adbitco on December 05, 2024, 09:42:47 AM
My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game.  
I could remember few weeks ago I tried to bet on a live odd (match) and I saw the difference, the thing is to bet on live game is either wait for the first half or target the second half with this you can determine what the possible outcome could be. Betting on live game reduces the risk to about 40% but the odds are usually very poor and for someone to have reasonable odds it would take you about 8-15 different matches to achieve at least 5-6 odds.

The real thing that most of people are not aware... fixed matches can be easily disputed by bookmakers = you will not get rewarded !
Even if you know an event like this, you will have very low odds, no market, and the risk to not get your money in case of win.
No, I will just not follow any match like this.
In case there are real "good news" and fixed matche, you are not aware of it... ::)
The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: bitbollo on December 05, 2024, 09:56:47 AM
The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

It doesn't matter when a match will be played. You can fix at any time.
Bookmakers don't need insiders. They are maybe in a better position than an insider since they can see the money flow on their bookies.
They have always this in control. This is the basic of their job and the reason why odds changes and why not they can just avoid to pay some bets due "the high betting volume".


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Tungbulu on December 05, 2024, 10:29:04 AM

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Since the athletes are putting in more efforts I think they should be ransomely compensated for that cause they are putting in their best, sincerely speaking it's un called for  that the bookies could actually act this mean. And I feel bad to hear that the athletes don't get a cut from the bets, cause since they are a small sports in the game they require more financial aid to boost their efficiency.
Personally I don’t think the bookies owe the footballers anything, neither do I feel they should feel obligated to pay them anything, the footballers are working hard to build their career and it’s not the bookies’ fault they’re not being paid enough or at all, rather than blaming the bookies, why not blame the football feds for that, because I’m pretty sure the bookies are also paying their dues somewhere else, think about it.

The bookies didn’t employ the non-pro footballers, so why should they be the ones to bear the cross for them not being paid well, if they wanna get paid well, they should work harder and make their way to play in one of the professional leagues and they’ll be paid well, football is just like every other careers, before you make it the your place of milk and honey, you gotta make certain sacrifices, work even harder than every other person and make your way to the top, and not blaming or feeling some kind of entitlement to someone else who’s also doing his own business and taking his own personal risks to get to the top too. It’s just preposterous.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: hyudien on December 05, 2024, 11:09:07 AM
The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

It doesn't matter when a match will be played. You can fix at any time.
Bookmakers don't need insiders. They are maybe in a better position than an insider since they can see the money flow on their bookies.
They have always this in control. This is the basic of their job and the reason why odds changes and why not they can just avoid to pay some bets due "the high betting volume".
Honestly I don't know if the bookies have that much influence or not, but I personally feel that they have access to it. regardless of whether they arrange the match or not, what is clear is that when they don't interfere too deeply in the match, then in terms of business they still get a lot of profit. We know that gambling has a very extraordinary turnover of money, so if we base it on that, usually money can buy everything. As someone who likes to bet, I can only enjoy it, I don't really think about it because I feel that our hands are not long enough to reach all of that.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: bitbollo on December 05, 2024, 11:58:04 AM
The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

It doesn't matter when a match will be played. You can fix at any time.
Bookmakers don't need insiders. They are maybe in a better position than an insider since they can see the money flow on their bookies.
They have always this in control. This is the basic of their job and the reason why odds changes and why not they can just avoid to pay some bets due "the high betting volume".
Honestly I don't know if the bookies have that much influence or not, but I personally feel that they have access to it. regardless of whether they arrange the match or not, what is clear is that when they don't interfere too deeply in the match, then in terms of business they still get a lot of profit. We know that gambling has a very extraordinary turnover of money, so if we base it on that, usually money can buy everything. As someone who likes to bet, I can only enjoy it, I don't really think about it because I feel that our hands are not long enough to reach all of that.

Of course they can ... decide to not pay a "suspected match".
They can just not pay since they have "doubt of scam/fixed match". They have all legal and moral rights to do this.
I know very well. Here in Italy we had MANY of these rigged matches in soccer (from the major league to the non-pro leagues).

Likewise check some of my previous topic on this matter : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498350.msg64148126#msg64148126



Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: alani123 on December 05, 2024, 12:19:35 PM
For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.
the same thing happened to athletes in my country. They look for side jobs to maintain their life, there are even some athletes working as an Uber online in the morning and playing football for the clubs in the afternoon. definitely, the match result will always be unexpected even have good odds for the clubs because the athletes already tired on the fields.
I remember reading an article in my country where the momen's football league was plagued about not finding enough pro athletes. Many women like soccer and are ok maybe supporting a local team but moving to the pro league was a move they didn't want to make because for them it would be a very radical shift to their lifestyle for a reward that just isn't worth it.

So local soccer teams "import" many players from less advantaged countries which ends up costing thousands as a process, but still they do it to avoid paying stable good salaries. So also one of the reasons of lack of development in these sports is lack of investment. If they invested in them for a few years they'd surely also get more of an aduience and bigger academies to sustain their activities better. But the big money seems to just like men's football and maybe a little basketball too. Nothing more.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Lida93 on December 05, 2024, 12:50:11 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
This has much to do with the grade level or division the player is playing at in that sports. There are athletes that do earn huge pay and good incentives in same sports that the op is pounding on about athletes earning little or nothing, the difference is that they are playing in the lower division in that very sports unlike those in high leagues or senior level where the fan base is high and more concentrated which is where the sports association makes their money from and not at lower divisions. What I can draw up here is that those athletes just need to work their ass up the ladder to make good pay.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: D ltr on December 05, 2024, 01:07:34 PM

Yes, anything may happen because that will depends on luck. He got his lucky in unpopular match so he can win and take the money. Well, that will not always happens since analyze the unpopular match will not easy. We must search for more information from more sources because I think the information will not available on the place that we often use to search the information. Even though they have a good skill in analysis, but without more information about the unpopular match, they will not have a chance to pick the right choice.

the difficulty in getting information and predictions makes me not want to bet on non-pro matches, where we have to look for information and examine match after match of the team we will choose, but actually it does not rule out the possibility that betting on non-pro matches will always lose, in fact, there will definitely be a win,


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Strongkored on December 05, 2024, 01:10:02 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
Of course, this is not wrong, but it is only a solution for countries that do not prohibit gambling. Also, the funding provided by bookies is certainly not large because they will focus on sports that can bring more money to their site and that is obtained when sponsoring sports or big events.

Professional athletics should be a full time job so that they can deliver their very best on the field of play, having a second job to sustain themselves and their families will be a big distraction for them. Athletes lifestyles outside the pitch is very important for people to value them because they're supposed to be watched and be known by many people, if you see your favorite athletes hustling on the street, it can reduce their values. People attributes athletes with celebrity status and if a perticular sport athletes are not living up to a certain standard, them and their sport might not be taken seriously. There's need to pay athletes very well, especially those who have labored very hard to be in top form, it'll help their sport to be in the limelight.
The problem is that the salary they get from their profession as athletes is not enough to earn a decent living so inevitably they start looking for additional work to earn more money. I am sure that if the salary as an athlete is sufficient, these athletes will prefer to focus on their profession. them as athletes.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: ultrloa on December 05, 2024, 01:39:42 PM

Yes, anything may happen because that will depends on luck. He got his lucky in unpopular match so he can win and take the money. Well, that will not always happens since analyze the unpopular match will not easy. We must search for more information from more sources because I think the information will not available on the place that we often use to search the information. Even though they have a good skill in analysis, but without more information about the unpopular match, they will not have a chance to pick the right choice.

the difficulty in getting information and predictions makes me not want to bet on non-pro matches, where we have to look for information and examine match after match of the team we will choose, but actually it does not rule out the possibility that betting on non-pro matches will always lose, in fact, there will definitely be a win,

This is one discourage me betting on non pro sports since its really hard to get information on some teams out there. Also we don't know the integrity of the league since we don't know if there's a fix match happening or not.

Although there's really chance that we could win. But those chances is not high as compare if we know or have lots of information about the league and teams we are placing our bets. That's why usually I ignore those non pro sports since I don't like to take a risk on things I don't know what's happening on the scene.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Findingnemo on December 05, 2024, 02:22:17 PM
Unpopular sports doesn't neccessarily mean it's played by non--professionals, it's just not being liked by many so it stays in a small level. There are certain games that's not popular globally still takes years of training to be a part of the team.


So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 


Why it has to be bookies? I don't think they need to do anything, every game has an association and media has the necessary power to make it big scale when it has potential but I do like the supporting them financially from the revenue made from their sports.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Zlantann on December 05, 2024, 02:31:19 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
This has much to do with the grade level or division the player is playing at in that sports. There are athletes that do earn huge pay and good incentives in same sports that the op is pounding on about athletes earning little or nothing, the difference is that they are playing in the lower division in that very sports unlike those in high leagues or senior level where the fan base is high and more concentrated which is where the sports association makes their money from and not at lower divisions. What I can draw up here is that those athletes just need to work their ass up the ladder to make good pay.

In most cases, only players or athletes in popular sports are well paid. It doesn't matter the level the sportsman is competing at, if the sport does not have many supporters in the country the pay will be small. There are professional cyclists, runners, high jumpers, gymnasts, etc in my country that are finding it difficult to make ends meet because of low pay.  

It is just sad to know that some people in top sports positions are making so much money from these less popular sports while players get the crumbs that fall from the dining table.

Crypto bookies are not non profit organizations or sports developing agencies, they are businesses that want to make more money. They will like to support sports that have more fans so that they can be attracted to their betting platforms. However, it will not be a bad idea if they sponsor these unpopular sports as their social corporate responsibilities.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: eisen33 on December 05, 2024, 02:53:48 PM

This is one discourage me betting on non pro sports since its really hard to get information on some teams out there. Also we don't know the integrity of the league since we don't know if there's a fix match happening or not.

Although there's really chance that we could win. But those chances is not high as compare if we know or have lots of information about the league and teams we are placing our bets. That's why usually I ignore those non pro sports since I don't like to take a risk on things I don't know what's happening on the scene.
It is difficult to get information about the players and the team, I once looked at the teams of the first league of the local championship and realized that I have no idea what is playing there. In addition, there are no broadcasts of these leagues, and I can not even watch the game, or previous games to understand what these teams are. I do not know about their honesty, but I admit that there are also many doubts about this. After some thought, I came to the conclusion that it is better to get by with the top championships.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Yucky on December 05, 2024, 03:28:29 PM
On the brighter side, it's actually good if you are fond of betting on underdogs. The odds are better and yet the probability of an upset is also higher. Especially if you're closely following such leagues and you're already familiar with the players, their plays, their tendencies, and so on, it might be easier for you to catch great odds.
My thoughts too. Since it's an unpopular game, fewer people are betting on it, which means your chances of winning are higher. However, it's essential to be cautious and not bet with a lot of money, just in case things don't go as planned.

Just because the players aren't as popular as Ronaldo and Messi in football doesn't mean you can't find interesting players to bet on. If you're not familiar with the game, it's better not to bet at all.

But if you genuinely like the sport, such as handball, take your time to follow it, and you'll discover talented players. When you make a bet, you'll be able to understand the games and potentially win. Just be sure you're certain about betting on the game and stick to your budget.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: jcojci on December 06, 2024, 04:06:38 AM
the difficulty in getting information and predictions makes me not want to bet on non-pro matches, where we have to look for information and examine match after match of the team we will choose, but actually it does not rule out the possibility that betting on non-pro matches will always lose, in fact, there will definitely be a win,
That is what I feel when I tried to search for the information of unpopular sports so I think it is better I avoid that sports while I trying to seek from the other places.

Besides that we may difficult to understand how to play the sport and not many people interest with that. Maybe the fact we can win on non-pro matches because not many people betting on that sports.

But we must realize that we don't have much information or knowledge about the sports. So that will not help us to win if we only guess which team or player that will win. We can not improve ourselves for that sports and the last, we still need our luck to win.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: mammusu on December 06, 2024, 04:47:58 AM
When we are too blind to the information about that the team or sport, of course betting on it will only make us likely to lose money, so far betting on teams and non-pro matches actually has a lot of risk of loss, because with the lack of accurate information and uncertainty of results makes it difficult for us to make the right betting predictions, In addition, as bettors of course we also want to enjoy the match, but I think the matches played by the teams or amateur athletes clearly do not provide an attraction for us to watch it.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Gozie51 on December 06, 2024, 01:43:07 PM

But you would notice that in NCAA, even if you bet on a parlay with 10 games of 1.05 odds, it's more likely you'll be losing because upsets are more common than in a fully professional league.

Parlay is very much a game of chance because of the numbers of games it carries. So whether professional or unknown sports, betting strategy on parlay could be more risky than a single bet of few games.



So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 


We actually need to make our research on a player's performance and activeness. However, I see some local leagues are also doing great, like my local league get some bookies interested in pushing out some players to different continents because they are well showcased through sports betting.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 07, 2024, 11:55:56 PM
For me it is simple not to bet on non-professional sports, it can be very easy to rig the games, control decreases, one cannot trust the referees, everything has many consequences in that sense, at least in my country things are like that, one can notice the shamelessness of the referees, of the players, there is no control over this, so that does not encourage me to bet, because many mafias are created and it is even dangerous to get into betting or even playing in one of those teams, I avoid that a lot.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: PX-Z on December 07, 2024, 11:59:29 PM
There's a huge reason to avoid betting on unpopular sports.
Usually the teams are not close to a fully professional level which means that their form isn't predictable or reliable. Therefore the odds are really shit.
Unless you have good knowledge of these athletes yourself for some reason, it's not worth the risk.
Thats the best way to check your luck to a non predictable game. But will be a loss of interest for a sure win since just like you've said you know little to the players, their games, etc. Well, some players tend to stay for 2-3 years in the team, since we're talking to college students here, so you knew their past games on the competition too so you will have at least a hint. But for the sake of getting a dependable bet, and a sure win, it's not possible.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Peanutswar on December 08, 2024, 03:53:43 AM
NCAA is just a college basketball and few of the players only knew this game, and I just wonder that the casino will support this kind of game. Instead for sure they will support a known games to gain more number of players or bettors would like to participate on the game, another thing is its not ideal to make a wage to the game you don't even know the players, and team itself because there's a higher risk on it like you are giving a free money, well if you are rich enough just want to make a yolo game play. Lets accept the fact players and teams possible makes an under the table transactions even in professional so make a bet at your own risk that you think are trusted enough to win your wage.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Russlenat on December 08, 2024, 04:42:43 AM
NCAA is just a college basketball and few of the players only knew this game, and I just wonder that the casino will support this kind of game.
Maybe not popular to us but the numbers don't lie.

check this out. https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/betting/super-bowl-betting-handle-no-match-for-march-madness-3019279/
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The NCAA Tournament handle last year was estimated at $459 million, which almost tripled the 2023 Super Bowl handle ($153.2 million).
That data (las year) was in 2023

That's a big number, and with that wageres, bookies are making a lot of money from that, so it's not a surprise why the are listing NCAA in their market, and it was never delisted.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Zigabel on December 08, 2024, 01:49:38 PM
When we are too blind to the information about that the team or sport, of course betting on it will only make us likely to lose money, so far betting on teams and non-pro matches actually has a lot of risk of loss, because with the lack of accurate information and uncertainty of results makes it difficult for us to make the right betting predictions, In addition, as bettors of course we also want to enjoy the match, but I think the matches played by the teams or amateur athletes clearly do not provide an attraction for us to watch it.
Except for luck, not having a good idea about the teams and their performance will have an effect on your chances of winning the game and in some cases you may even not really get the chance to even win any game amongst numerous trials but if you are skilled gambling or have a good money management, provided you aren't wining at some point you will eventually get to a point you will have all of your funds exhausted so its also important to have the best information so you know how best to handle such.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shasan on December 15, 2024, 11:49:42 PM
Literally I won't want to bet on a game I don't know of. The most popular sport we all bet on is soccer. I usually just prefer sticking to one game as it's easier to analyze such game and get better results during your betting. Why most of these sports aren't popular is because they have less sponsors compared to those that has a mass population of lovers, fans and sponsors. Such games would want to be seen and heard of any updates and thus people would want to place bets on them.
For those teams who are not known and not popular team then the result can be manipulated and the game provider may give wrong odds to win a good amount of money to the gambling site. And that's why I always avoid all the sportsbook (soccer/cricket) if I do not have a good idea about the team.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Distinctin on December 15, 2024, 11:57:31 PM
When we are too blind to the information about that the team or sport, of course betting on it will only make us likely to lose money, so far betting on teams and non-pro matches actually has a lot of risk of loss, because with the lack of accurate information and uncertainty of results makes it difficult for us to make the right betting predictions, In addition, as bettors of course we also want to enjoy the match, but I think the matches played by the teams or amateur athletes clearly do not provide an attraction for us to watch it.
Aside from that, we don’t want to risk our funds on bets that have less connection to us, that we seem aren’t familiar of, so the end line there will be higher probability for us to lose than to see us winning. And just like you’ve said, it’s important for us to also enjoy our bet, even if we lose, at least the excitement and the experience will remain valuable for us.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Hatchy on December 16, 2024, 01:12:41 AM
For those teams who are not known and not popular team then the result can be manipulated and the game provider may give wrong odds to win a good amount of money to the gambling site. And that's why I always avoid all the sportsbook (soccer/cricket) if I do not have a good idea about the team.
Yea about manipulation, there's bribery in sports, and since such games are not much popular, any one can just decide to pay off some officials to make the game play to their favor. This used to be something they hide in football back then. Such games that aren't much popular can be altered to someone else favor eventually leading to a massive loss. No one would be Happy if they had found out that this was the reasons for their loss. It's just better to play games that are well known and you are at least familiar with


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: ChiBitCTy on December 16, 2024, 01:48:12 AM
This is a nice write up and something that I don't think I've actually seen anyone post before, so that's always a plus lol. 

When it comes to betting I certainly bet mostly on sports ( I like go play poker and blackjack) for whatever which reason it's just more enjoyable for me.  Anyhow non-pro sports has always seem too risky for me.   Lets say with baseball for instance, there' so many different levels of play, well each level is meant to get your prepared for the next level.  It's not uncommon to see coaches "testing" players out at new positions and things like that can cost ya the game. 


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: tread93 on December 16, 2024, 05:48:31 AM
For me it is simple not to bet on non-professional sports, it can be very easy to rig the games, control decreases, one cannot trust the referees, everything has many consequences in that sense, at least in my country things are like that, one can notice the shamelessness of the referees, of the players, there is no control over this, so that does not encourage me to bet, because many mafias are created and it is even dangerous to get into betting or even playing in one of those teams, I avoid that a lot.


Honstly i've avoided betting on sports in general simply because there are sooooo many factors outside of my control and I would rather take my chances betting in some other place on something else. Even though i've often thought about placing some bets in these types of favorable match ups I find myself rather wanting to invest in some other crypto investment of some sort.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 22, 2024, 01:12:44 AM
Honstly i've avoided betting on sports in general simply because there are sooooo many factors outside of my control and I would rather take my chances betting in some other place on something else. Even though i've often thought about placing some bets in these types of favorable match ups I find myself rather wanting to invest in some other crypto investment of some sort.

It's that if we put it in the plane of Investment vs Betting, then here the one that has the most weight is the Investment and if it is BTC then I completely agree with you, what happens is that when I bet it is more than anything on soccer or boxing because they are the sports that I have appreciated the most in my life, and I am passionate about them, especially soccer, in soccer I bet because I am a big fan, so sometimes those emotions are what lead one to bet on sports, to prove to oneself that what one knows can be profitable, but it is also a question of taking risks, it does not matter if you are wrong, if you make bets with low money and if you win it is little, it does not matter it is a profit.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: stomachgrowls on December 22, 2024, 01:49:33 AM
For me it is simple not to bet on non-professional sports, it can be very easy to rig the games, control decreases, one cannot trust the referees, everything has many consequences in that sense, at least in my country things are like that, one can notice the shamelessness of the referees, of the players, there is no control over this, so that does not encourage me to bet, because many mafias are created and it is even dangerous to get into betting or even playing in one of those teams, I avoid that a lot.


Honstly i've avoided betting on sports in general simply because there are sooooo many factors outside of my control and I would rather take my chances betting in some other place on something else. Even though i've often thought about placing some bets in these types of favorable match ups I find myself rather wanting to invest in some other crypto investment of some sort.
The key on here is that you should really be that only sticking into the sports on which you do seem that you can have that knowledge and advantage. People are really just that wanting to cope up on everything even if it means that it will really be that out into their interest and scope on which this is something which not really that good at all i should say. Betting into something that you dont have the idea on what it is really just that not a good thing to mind on. Its always better that you should really be sticking on where you are knowledgeable on which we know that in sports betting on where it is really that more preferrable i should say because you do really know on what you are doing and having the idea about it.

Each one of us does have that preference when it comes to selection and choices on which there will really be those times or moments that you will really be that skeptical on doing something just because you do believe that you will be having that disadvantage on which this is indeed true. Stick on where your knowledge fits in and same goes into the interest because if you do find yourself having forcing into something then this isnt really that giving some good result because it will turned out to be that  a desperation for you. So its better that you should be sticking on where you do find yourself fits out.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: stadus on December 22, 2024, 02:44:40 AM
Honstly i've avoided betting on sports in general simply because there are sooooo many factors outside of my control and I would rather take my chances betting in some other place on something else. Even though i've often thought about placing some bets in these types of favorable match ups I find myself rather wanting to invest in some other crypto investment of some sort.

You’re only in control if you’re the one fighting or playing, but when it’s a team game, that control is out of your hands. However, since nost of us are just bettors, we’re here for the thrill, and that includes the unpredictability of the game. Honestly, you don’t need to win all your bets (since that’s impossible), but winning most of them should already make you a satisfied bettor, even if you’re not ready to call yourself successful yet.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Nrcewker on December 22, 2024, 05:03:32 AM
Yes, absolutely. I have seen many friends of mine gamble on TT matches randomly and that too on any random players just by comparing head-to-head matches of the players and ending up betting on the player with more wins. But sadly they lose the bets most of the time. I think it’s best to bet on games that you have personally played and know about the playing conditions. Bet on teams that are popular and have a good squad with good form. Else if you just want to gamble for the sake of gambling, then it’s your own hard-earned money, and no one can stop you from betting.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: tread93 on December 22, 2024, 06:49:13 AM
Honstly i've avoided betting on sports in general simply because there are sooooo many factors outside of my control and I would rather take my chances betting in some other place on something else. Even though i've often thought about placing some bets in these types of favorable match ups I find myself rather wanting to invest in some other crypto investment of some sort.

You’re only in control if you’re the one fighting or playing, but when it’s a team game, that control is out of your hands. However, since nost of us are just bettors, we’re here for the thrill, and that includes the unpredictability of the game. Honestly, you don’t need to win all your bets (since that’s impossible), but winning most of them should already make you a satisfied bettor, even if you’re not ready to call yourself successful yet.

Agreed you dont need to have won or keep winning all of your bets every single time but as long as you're shooting your shots and taking chances if you win most of your bets i would consider you a successful gambler.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 26, 2024, 09:37:40 PM
Each one of us does have that preference when it comes to selection and choices on which there will really be those times or moments that you will really be that skeptical on doing something just because you do believe that you will be having that disadvantage on which this is indeed true. Stick on where your knowledge fits in and same goes into the interest because if you do find yourself having forcing into something then this isnt really that giving some good result because it will turned out to be that  a desperation for you. So its better that you should be sticking on where you do find yourself fits out.

This is what best suits what we are looking for. If we like an activity, or bet on a sport and it is professional because we know more, then we should do it. It makes no sense to study sports that are not professional, amateur style , because there are many factors that influence, we do not know the players well, we do not know how their behavior is in the championships very well, it is a risk to trust because the skills and talents of those who play are unexpected , that plus what they look for from reinforcements that we do not know, in the case of Soccer these things happen.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: peter0425 on December 26, 2024, 10:08:12 PM
It makes no sense to study sports that are not professional, amateur style , because there are many factors that influence, we do not know the players well, we do not know how their behavior is in the championships very well, it is a risk to trust because the skills and talents of those who play are unexpected , that plus what they look for from reinforcements that we do not know, in the case of Soccer these things happen.
Non-pro sports are probably a lot more difficult to gather information from and since there are significantly less audience, there’s also not much viewing events and/or matches in accessible venues or even streaming sites which makes it a lot difficult to catch up to the matches and know what’s going on but I also believe that if you follow a sport closely you can gather all the information you need.

I am sure you are able to find a community that shares the same interest and could help you get all the facts needed to make a bet.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Taskford on December 26, 2024, 10:11:56 PM
Each one of us does have that preference when it comes to selection and choices on which there will really be those times or moments that you will really be that skeptical on doing something just because you do believe that you will be having that disadvantage on which this is indeed true. Stick on where your knowledge fits in and same goes into the interest because if you do find yourself having forcing into something then this isnt really that giving some good result because it will turned out to be that  a desperation for you. So its better that you should be sticking on where you do find yourself fits out.

This is what best suits what we are looking for. If we like an activity, or bet on a sport and it is professional because we know more, then we should do it. It makes no sense to study sports that are not professional, amateur style , because there are many factors that influence, we do not know the players well, we do not know how their behavior is in the championships very well, it is a risk to trust because the skills and talents of those who play are unexpected , that plus what they look for from reinforcements that we do not know, in the case of Soccer these things happen.


What issue bother me for thinking about betting on unpopular or non pro sports is the what we called fix matches incident. If that situation happen in pro sports then how much more in non pro category? For sure that incident is rampant in that area since provably that there's less official are regulating them and their events didn't reach to mainstream that's why they can do those illegal things and show up a result in favor with them.

Although this is just pure speculation but this incident might really happen since I've witness fix matching incident from the past on non pro sports and possibly it might continue to happen nowadays since we can't deny that there are some entities will do everything just to win on their placed bets.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Bushdark on December 26, 2024, 10:29:34 PM
It makes no sense to study sports that are not professional, amateur style , because there are many factors that influence, we do not know the players well, we do not know how their behavior is in the championships very well, it is a risk to trust because the skills and talents of those who play are unexpected , that plus what they look for from reinforcements that we do not know, in the case of Soccer these things happen.
Non-pro sports are probably a lot more difficult to gather information from and since there are significantly less audience, there’s also not much viewing events and/or matches in accessible venues or even streaming sites which makes it a lot difficult to catch up to the matches and know what’s going on but I also believe that if you follow a sport closely you can gather all the information you need.

I am sure you are able to find a community that shares the same interest and could help you get all the facts needed to make a bet.
I think you are right dude! There are some sports that are not so popular and to gather information about them can be very time wasting, compared to popular sports like football, Basketball, Base ball and others that wouldn't take a long time for one to gather information about the sport. Less popular sports can be easily to manipulate in their game predictions and during the market because most of the rules are not so popular to the public, and there is no way we can get to know about all the rulrs and regulations.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 27, 2024, 07:18:50 PM

I think you are right dude! There are some sports that are not so popular and to gather information about them can be very time wasting, compared to popular sports like football, Basketball, Base ball and others that wouldn't take a long time for one to gather information about the sport. Less popular sports can be easily to manipulate in their game predictions and during the market because most of the rules are not so popular to the public, and there is no way we can get to know about all the rulrs and regulations.

This reminded me that a long time ago my wife saw an advertisement on Facebook for a supposed referee who had the contacts of referees and that everything was rigged, that if they deposited a certain amount of money they could safely bet on football matches in a League in Russia, and that they were guaranteed profits and sent the bets and the numbers of what they won, and that they only had to make the deposit.

I told her beforehand that it was a scam, but I still had doubts that at that level there is clear manipulation or the fact that they rig football games in leagues all over the world, that is why in FIFA and at all levels there is tremendous corruption.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Hirose UK on December 28, 2024, 03:52:19 AM
What issue bother me for thinking about betting on unpopular or non pro sports is the what we called fix matches incident. If that situation happen in pro sports then how much more in non pro category? For sure that incident is rampant in that area since provably that there's less official are regulating them and their events didn't reach to mainstream that's why they can do those illegal things and show up a result in favor with them.

Although this is just pure speculation but this incident might really happen since I've witness fix matching incident from the past on non pro sports and possibly it might continue to happen nowadays since we can't deny that there are some entities will do everything just to win on their placed bets.
Yes, there are many incidents or problems like this in unpopular sports matches and match fixing, even like fixing cards for players, all of which are inseparable from the involvement of several people related to betting, minor leagues will always be the main place for all of this to happen until now.
Those who follow the development of all football events that have existed since the past until now must understand about cases like this, unfortunately some people don't care about it as if they are blind to all the events and they only care about whatever is priority such as thinking about the most important thing is to win the bet.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Adbitco on December 28, 2024, 09:36:51 AM
What issue bother me for thinking about betting on unpopular or non pro sports is the what we called fix matches incident. If that situation happen in pro sports then how much more in non pro category? For sure that incident is rampant in that area since provably that there's less official are regulating them and their events didn't reach to mainstream that's why they can do those illegal things and show up a result in favor with them.

Although this is just pure speculation but this incident might really happen since I've witness fix matching incident from the past on non pro sports and possibly it might continue to happen nowadays since we can't deny that there are some entities will do everything just to win on their placed bets.
Yes, there are many incidents or problems like this in unpopular sports matches and match fixing, even like fixing cards for players, all of which are inseparable from the involvement of several people related to betting, minor leagues will always be the main place for all of this to happen until now.
Those who follow the development of all football events that have existed since the past until now must understand about cases like this, unfortunately some people don't care about it as if they are blind to all the events and they only care about whatever is priority such as thinking about the most important thing is to win the bet.
You both are correct because it's very hard to predicts or determined the two non pro league, there games/match are always being manipulated all time because of their unprofessionalism games, sometimes even the professional team do carry out fixed match and so, the non professional won't be exempted because they are even more worst and easily to be rigged than professional clubs.
It's always important to stick within the known team or club because they are more open to judge results or goals than non-pro club, so while gambling I hardly include them in my betting list because they can easily compromised bet slips.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: DubemIfedigbo001 on December 28, 2024, 10:41:32 AM
Impressive. I am guessing this is prompted by on of those threads today about unpopular sports to bet on. You marshalled out a lot of points and when you wrote about the little or no pay for those involved in sports, I had to connect the dots to why we see an increase in Match fixing in some unpopular sports. With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.
Exactly, when one's efforts are unappreciated or greatly underappreciated, these people tend to do almost everything in their power to make a living from what they do, most times more through illegal activities. I really think that if sportsbooks can invest little of their gains in these local teams, they would be honest in their activities and hey, they really have to be fast since when matches are fixed, they pay heavy compensation to the match fixers and everyone who benefitted from the match being fixed which is always a huge loss for them.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Yamifoud on December 28, 2024, 11:07:12 AM
Impressive. I am guessing this is prompted by on of those threads today about unpopular sports to bet on. You marshalled out a lot of points and when you wrote about the little or no pay for those involved in sports, I had to connect the dots to why we see an increase in Match fixing in some unpopular sports. With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.
Exactly, when one's efforts are unappreciated or greatly underappreciated, these people tend to do almost everything in their power to make a living from what they do, most times more through illegal activities. I really think that if sportsbooks can invest little of their gains in these local teams, they would be honest in their activities and hey, they really have to be fast since when matches are fixed, they pay heavy compensation to the match fixers and everyone who benefitted from the match being fixed which is always a huge loss for them.
Then I would agree that these fixed matches ruin the credibility of sports. This should not be done in the first place; they are not just making the players a fool but also the people watching. They also limit the ability of the players to show and perform well, especially when they already know who's going to win.
Honestly, there is neither excitement created by this kind of sports game nor trusting the bookmaker. I'd rather spend time watching real and fair games and bet there. Because even if I lose but at least I am satisfied with the results and the performance of the players.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 11:23:29 AM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Kelward on December 28, 2024, 12:08:20 PM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P
Yes, except for the upsets where you can see ridiculous scorelines, an underated team or player coming to make a ridicule of a top team or player. But where it concerns gambling, it's very risky to bet on these games because you can't confidently analyze their performances. Money is a huge motivating factor when it comes to sports, people who are well paid will always want to give their very best to remain relevant because they understand that their sport is very competitive. But where renumeration is very low, the athletes won't put in their best because they're not 100% focused on their sport and it'll be quite easy to entice them for match fixing.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: freedomgo on December 28, 2024, 12:54:44 PM
Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.
For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning.  Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Fiatless on December 28, 2024, 01:18:18 PM
Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.
For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning.  Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.
Once some of these players are offered a sizeable amount, some of them who are corrupt will gladly accept it and rig the game. It's unethical to collect bribe to fix matches and low salary shouldn't be an excuse. It is better to leave the sports and look for another source of living than to engage in criminal actions.

Except you are an insider, it is usually very difficult to have pre knowledge about a rigged match. Some of these match fixers usually keep thier game secret to avoid sanctions. I don't know if getting information about a fixed match and betting on it is a criminal offense.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: freedomgo on December 28, 2024, 10:12:54 PM
For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning.  Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.
Once some of these players are offered a sizeable amount, some of them who are corrupt will gladly accept it and rig the game. It's unethical to collect bribe to fix matches and low salary shouldn't be an excuse. It is better to leave the sports and look for another source of living than to engage in criminal actions.
Anything illegal always comes with consequences, and no excuses will save them from accountability. Defrauding people, fans, and bettors cannot be justified, and it certainly won’t pardon their actions.

Except you are an insider, it is usually very difficult to have pre knowledge about a rigged match. Some of these match fixers usually keep thier game secret to avoid sanctions. I don't know if getting information about a fixed match and betting on it is a criminal offense.
I believe if you’re an insider, you can probably ensure a win 99% of the time, but that’s an exception.

For the other 99% of bettors who don’t have insider knowledge, but if we can recognize patterns and use them to our advantage, we might still tilt the odds in our favor.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 28, 2024, 10:58:01 PM
Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.
For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning.  Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.

If you want to take advantage of the situation, you are just looking for the profitability on the situation. So yes, if you feel the pattern, then try betting on it and see what happens. After all, at the end of the day you are aiming for profits whether it is your favorite team or not. So it is not a must that you bet on your favorite sports or athletes, so long you can profit from the bet, you can always bet on
However, if you are talking about match fixing, you can never be sure about the source. If you want to try, you can bet small especially if you are not very confident with such bet.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Weawant on December 28, 2024, 11:10:24 PM
I think you are right dude! There are some sports that are not so popular and to gather information about them can be very time wasting, compared to popular sports like football, Basketball, Base ball and others that wouldn't take a long time for one to gather information about the sport. Less popular sports can be easily to manipulate in their game predictions and during the market because most of the rules are not so popular to the public, and there is no way we can get to know about all the rulrs and regulations.
Not only is it time wasting,  it is also exhausting fi finding information about these sports and in some cases  you may actually end up not getting enough Information to help you placed a very good bet from which you can have some edge and winning advantages.  This actually does make it easy to manipulate such games and you have to be so dependent  on luck to win such games, maybe at that point in time you are betting according to the manipulation on the game and that has to be so.e extreme luck.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: romero121 on December 28, 2024, 11:45:08 PM
When it comes to sports betting, the focus is much on information sharing and the ability of the players. When we think of spending in a professional league, we'll get information regarding the league played earlier, the performance of the players, how things went relative to the venue, and more precise information. This helps in predicting the winner of the match. The same isn't possible with an unpopular league where we need to depend much on the luck, as we don't know much about the players. However, these days data is being saved even for small leagues. With unpopular leagues fixing and leakage of insider information being common, if that's available, one can try with it. If not, the right choice is to go with a popular league and sport.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: moneystery on December 29, 2024, 06:59:49 AM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P

betting on such leagues is indeed quite risky since the players are not only unprofessional, but they also usually do other jobs besides playing in the league. I remember there was a soccer player in my city, his job besides playing soccer was selling paintings, because the salary he got was so little and there was no guarantee of life. that's just one case, there are many athletes who feel like that. so just imagine if someone bets on a league with the quality of athletes like this, there is no guarantee that there is no cheating or other things that make the game unfair.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: boltz on December 29, 2024, 09:36:20 PM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P

So true because so many amateurs league have come out of nowhere and they also have betting sponsors and stuff like this and I cannot take those sports seriously and I consider them pure entertainment. Per example in my country we have some amateurs MMA league where Youtube influencers and social media creators along with national media are making fake stories out of nowhere that will eventually end with 2 guys in a cage , mocking each other and the sport. The funny part is that you can place bets on some local bookies here and people are actually gambling on them ( especially the youth ones who are watching a ton of influencers online ).  :-[


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: SuperBitMan on January 16, 2025, 12:51:33 AM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P

betting on such leagues is indeed quite risky since the players are not only unprofessional, but they also usually do other jobs besides playing in the league. I remember there was a soccer player in my city, his job besides playing soccer was selling paintings, because the salary he got was so little and there was no guarantee of life. that's just one case, there are many athletes who feel like that. so just imagine if someone bets on a league with the quality of athletes like this, there is no guarantee that there is no cheating or other things that make the game unfair.

It is true, but that still don't mean people can't win if they decide to bet on those games, I have a friend who prefer betting on non pro sport because he always win, when it comes to gambling you have to do what works for you and not what other people say or think about your own decision, and even in professional sports there are people or athlete in the particular sport who still do other business not actually for money may be for other reasons, as a gambler the situation of the sport or how low the league is should not be your business, ur business should be how to win, a lot of people have been betting on professional League but still finds it difficult to win and may even start winning if they decide to bet on unprofessional league, one thing about unprofessional league were there players are not been paid well, they always play very well so they can be recognize my bigger League and then bought, I really don't think they will involve there selfies in match fixing and I really don't believe this match fixing happens in sports, since is highly prohibited by nations and if found indulging in such can be ban from that particular sport which will be the end of your sport career an athlete won't want that.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shasan on January 27, 2025, 11:27:31 PM
It is true, but that still don't mean people can't win if they decide to bet on those games, I have a friend who prefer betting on non pro sport because he always win, when it comes to gambling you have to do what works for you and not what other people say or think about your own decision, and even in professional sports there are people or athlete in the particular sport who still do other business not actually for money may be for other reasons, as a gambler the situation of the sport or how low the league is should not be your business, ur business should be how to win, a lot of people have been betting on professional League but still finds it difficult to win and may even start winning if they decide to bet on unprofessional league, one thing about unprofessional league were there players are not been paid well, they always play very well so they can be recognize my bigger League and then bought, I really don't think they will involve there selfies in match fixing and I really don't believe this match fixing happens in sports, since is highly prohibited by nations and if found indulging in such can be ban from that particular sport which will be the end of your sport career an athlete won't want that.
You are correct that gambler might be a winner of non-pro bets too but that is not the all which we are taking about and/or care about. We are taking about/care about the maximum not the minimum. In the maximum case results might not be our favour and at the same time there anything may happen (match fixing).


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: danherbias07 on January 29, 2025, 07:58:22 AM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P
Yeah, if only they are being paid too.

But let's face it, the players of the NCAA will still play hard because they have a goal. Either in the NBA or other sports where they will be paid better if they are scouted. So, match-fixing could exist there but there are also the teams that will play really hard to win their respective games or show good stats so that they can get the highest draft pick when the time is ripe.
Being a professional in the entertainment industry like basketball is paid quite high today. They will do their best to achieve that so let's also consider that while betting for the NCAA. However, I really like the idea that they are also being funded by online sports bookies because they are making money out of them in betting.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Wakate on January 29, 2025, 09:37:27 AM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P

So true because so many amateurs league have come out of nowhere and they also have betting sponsors and stuff like this and I cannot take those sports seriously and I consider them pure entertainment. Per example in my country we have some amateurs MMA league where Youtube influencers and social media creators along with national media are making fake stories out of nowhere that will eventually end with 2 guys in a cage , mocking each other and the sport. The funny part is that you can place bets on some local bookies here and people are actually gambling on them ( especially the youth ones who are watching a ton of influencers online ).  :-[
Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on January 29, 2025, 09:50:56 AM
Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion,  these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets  :P

So true because so many amateurs league have come out of nowhere and they also have betting sponsors and stuff like this and I cannot take those sports seriously and I consider them pure entertainment. Per example in my country we have some amateurs MMA league where Youtube influencers and social media creators along with national media are making fake stories out of nowhere that will eventually end with 2 guys in a cage , mocking each other and the sport. The funny part is that you can place bets on some local bookies here and people are actually gambling on them ( especially the youth ones who are watching a ton of influencers online ).  :-[
Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.

This is a very popular case for sports, The betting system is not safe as money can ruin the game.
there are so many sports/league that is plague with money making and money payment to players.
They can pay the players 10X the salary that is so tempting. this is match fixing!

P.S.

We have a professional league here in our country that were caught some star players were paid and fixed the match :)


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Cryptmuster on January 29, 2025, 10:00:39 AM

Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.

Such leagues are less controlled, but this does not mean that it is easier to manipulate the results there, they are less popular and any big bet will immediately attract attention. But for the mass player, such leagues are less popular, for the reason that there is little information about them, it is very difficult to find broadcasts of matches, information about teams, injuries and other useful information without which it is difficult to achieve success in betting.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Cityhunter34 on January 29, 2025, 10:23:54 AM
My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game. 
I could remember few weeks ago I tried to bet on a live odd (match) and I saw the difference, the thing is to bet on live game is either wait for the first half or target the second half with this you can determine what the possible outcome could be. Betting on live game reduces the risk to about 40% but the odds are usually very poor and for someone to have reasonable odds it would take you about 8-15 different matches to achieve at least 5-6 odds.
Actually betting on live odd match usually reduce the risk of losing, although just like as you have said the odds are always small, for you to be able to acquire a reasonable odds is when you select like 15 to 20 different games. Because once a match is being started the live odds normally reduced immediately, more especially if they noticed that the bigger term is winning the game that is how it will still go down more and more. But when they are being played first and none of them score, that is when the odd normally increase because they don't know the team that would win.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: Hirose UK on January 30, 2025, 02:56:59 AM
Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.
Such leagues are less controlled, but this does not mean that it is easier to manipulate the results there, they are less popular and any big bet will immediately attract attention. But for the mass player, such leagues are less popular, for the reason that there is little information about them, it is very difficult to find broadcasts of matches, information about teams, injuries and other useful information without which it is difficult to achievement success in betting.
It can only be found in countries that have their own local league, as is the case where I live there are several local league divisions from the main to the bottom in division 3 and for TV broadcasts only the main league and for division 2 or 3 everyone can only see it directly by coming to the stadium during match, no TV broadcast is willing to cover it because of the lack of attention and interest from many people.
For betting will only be done between individuals directly and their bookies at local betting houses that provide it, for manipulation I think there is lot and we also will not understand what the main conspiracy is when certain people deliberately carry out match fixing in local league that are not popular.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: shasan on February 08, 2025, 06:26:46 PM
Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.
You are correct and I agree with you that non-pro sports are not too popular as a result most sports lovers are not aware of their game and most sports lovers do not view the game whether online or on television or in any sportsbook and like that many gambling sites can't afford to add that game on their site and also as it is not popular events it can be manipulated.


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on February 08, 2025, 07:09:43 PM
So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 
But don't you think it's ought to have been the responsibility of Sport organizations to organize Sport activities in local levels, while the casino supports, and not vice-versa for Casinos, either crypto or fiat to organize such event in local levels, while also taking full responsibilities of it's athletes. Simply because they offered people the medium to gamble and win a prize. Because though we all know that gambling platforms makes huge sum of money when people stake a bet and lose. We should also not forget that casinos are business ventures, and the primary aim of every business venture has always been to maximize profit. Hence, a casino can support, organize certain sport activities in local levels at will, but that doesn't make it their responsibilities. Because that same money is been used to pay users who gamble and win jackpots (i.e Huge sum).


Title: Re: Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports
Post by: wheelz1200 on February 08, 2025, 07:39:21 PM
I do bet some college basketball from time to time and especially during march madness but other than that im with you.  Non pro sports are so vulnerable to match fixing and the like.  Its bad enough pro sports has had that happen, now take salaries away and those people playing are more apt to cheat for little amount of money.