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Hi,

 I got some old BTC, they have been on several addresses but you will get the private keys for all the addresses for the last 9 years. I require BTC that have been at a kraken/bitstamp/other popular exchange wallet just one transaction before sending to me.

Anybody interested? Make me offers.

Is there any particular reason why you cant send your "old" btc to Kraken or another popular exchange directly and get that one transaction you need?

The old coins are more valuable imho.
I would only consider offers worth my while.

How old coins can be more valuable? It has same value like Bitcoins that were mined yesterday.
Only reason that comes my mind why you want to do this - you have some BTC that were involved in some dirty activities and you want to get clean BTC.
I'm just wondering what rate you're offering. If 1:1, that a joke.

This is pretty risky to deal with newbies. Why would you give the private key if you can just send it to someone? It's weird if you also give the private key because you are not the only one who has control of these wallets.

Why not use some exchanges to buy other coins and buy it back to BTC?
Pretty bad mixers already banned here on the forum if you are looking for an alternative, instead of looking for someone here to exchange it with BTC to BTC no one are willing to do that. That's pretty risky, just like what LTU_btc posted above.

Why not use decentralized exchange? You can find them under this link: https://kycnot.me/

I will return to you 90% of the BTC you send to me, with the transactions from the exchanges you require.  I already have accounts on several exchanges.

Here's my receive address:


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You are theoretically right if you only look at the price, although in the past there were stories about some miners selling newly mined coins at a premium price. Also, some could use such coins for tax avoidance purposes - because for example, I don't have to pay tax on all crypto investments made before January 1, 2016. Of course, you need to prove something like that, and the first step is to have coins that have been sitting at an address for a very long time.

A trade where a complete stranger gives you the private keys of 9 addresses and you should be happy because you have old coins.
What could go wrong here?  :(

It makes sense to avoid taxes in this way, but there are probably other ways, at the same time with a much lower risk, while not sharing private keys with anyone.

Would accept escrow. Newly minted coins would be completely fine with me.

There's no new bitcoin minted and everything you in circulation is the same with old Bitcoin created before.

If you really want to sell your Bitcoin then do it on exchange since I don't really see the point on why you cannot do it. For insisting to do those suggestions made by people in this thread its like you are doing suspicious things.

So for people to eliminate their negative thoughts about you better erase the idea about exchanging your old Bitcoin to new since there's no actually old or new bitcoin thing here and we can sell it immediately anytime we want.

What could go wrong is that someone else has already used those addresses to sign the message as evidence in a tax return - and given that a very large number of countries exchange financial data, it is possible that these things will be found among that data. Besides, those private keys won't mean anything if you can't prove that your BTC were ever at those addresses. Maybe in some countries something like that could work, but it seems to me that I would do more harm than good to try something like this.

There is no doubt that there are other ways, and they are completely legal if you understand the laws or have a good financial advisor. I heard it mentioned that foreign companies operating within the EU avoided paying around 100 000 billion euros (I think last year) in taxes using various tricks and loopholes.

I have at binance if your interested but give me further details and amount you looking for

I remember that there were folks several years ago that were looking for old coins but in no means they're trying to do some launder. But I think there's no sense on it whether you've got some new or old BTCs because both of them remains as-is, as Bitcoin. If it's about the wallet that you have for the past 9 years, then I think there's still some use to it through getting those fork coins. But with that, you can take them instead of just giving it away to whoever you'll deal with.

If I'm not wrong then you're trying to find Bitcoin that are low when it comes to AML score and are more acceptable at exchanges. The coins that come from exchanges have low AML score and they can be deposited and used at any other exchange without any issues but the coins that you hold might not be clean and there's chance they might have high AML score and that's the reason why you want new coins. I may be wrong but that's what came in mind after reading your this OP and others posts that you posted in this thread.

If your wallets and coins aren't related to any scams previously and you are innocent then you should know that the old btc (coins) and the new btc (coins) are essestially same and there is no benefit if you have a old wallet or a new wallet. So if you think that the old coins are more valuable, then you are totally wrong.

well at least give us a reason as to why you need fresh Bitcoin for an old one?
Except maybe you've been in some shit before

Yes, regulations on Europe differ from country to country, we all know that in Germany among a few others if you hold BTC for more than one year you don't have to pay taxes when you sell at a profit. Your previous example about 2016, although I don't know in which country it is, makes sense too.

The problem is that by exchanging your new coins for old ones you may pretend to be the original owner of the latest, but in fact you'd be committing fraud. And, on the other hand, if you sent the new coins from an exchange, chances are that the exchange communicates your local tax agency the info of that transaction, and in that case you might be obliged to explain also the following ones.

I would certainly avoid this kind of deals in general, but especially with strangers.

He already gave a hint for his purpose on one of his replies above. Which you can read on the quoted post below.


I think he is trying to sell it with a higher premium since he considers old Bitcoin as “more valuable”. I think he is considering the existence of Bitcoin ordinals. I’m not really sure but maybe he thought that some old Bitcoin can give a rare ordinals once inscript on these coins.

Not interested in this at all as it seems super sketchy. I am curious as a relative beginner how do you differentiate between 'Old' and 'New' bitcoin?

"Old" means that some Bitcoins are at one address for a long time.
For example, from the aspect of AML risk score, "older" Bitcoins always have a very low risk score and are easier to accept in most services.

Also, "old" bitcoins are a good opportunity to clean money (to the government and tax authorities), because by buying such coins, you justify $110k at a price of $10k (or less) as it was a few years ago.

If you have coins that can be linked to anything that is otherwise considered problematic, then it doesn't really matter whether they are coins that someone has been keeping in their wallet for 6 days or 6 years. For example, if you try to check the AML score of coins you got in a mixer campaign 5 or more years ago, believe me, they didn't clear on their own if you haven't moved them since then.

Your "ad" is a simple laundry method from the many that we've seen from the moment that BTC gets a new terminology with "old", "new", "clean", "virgin", etc, stupid terms. The only thing that I still wonder is how you expect to get anything. This is an obvious trap, and nobody will fall for this. Except for the same newbies like yourself.


Offers for what? You should make offers to us, not us to you! :D


It's exactly as you said it. The score remains from the moment that the address is tagged as "shady" or "blacklisted".  The problem is that you can't get rid of it, no matter what you do. At least as far as I know.

This makes me wonder what is going to happen if let's say 70% of the Bitcoins in circulation are marked/tagged as shady or dirty. The would AML score thing is just going to make people fear using Bitcoin at one point for fear of having their funds frozen by exchanges because they acquired "dirty" ones.;

Actually, you can, because mixers still exist for exactly that kind of thing, and there's also the possibility of swapping these so-called tainted coins for any other coin. What can be a problem is to send such coins to CEXs or some payment processor that will mark them as problematic and freeze them or, in the best case, return them to the owner.

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The idea of ​​tainted coins is actually a weapon used by the authorities to direct investors to trade exclusively through CEXs, where everyone is required to do KYC. Likewise, the idea that the strategic reserves are filled with precisely such coins will be something with which the authorities will try to take their share of the pie without investing any money.

This is the question everyone should be asking but it seems the OP has straight up
ignored it.

With transaction fees so low its super cheap to send even small amounts so it would
be a lot less hassle for the OP to just send to an exchange.Trading with a newbie i
s risky and especially in this scenario.

As regards "Old Bitcoin" nobody cares whether its old or new but there are people
who would like Bitcoin with only one transaction from the miner - "Virgin Bitcoins"

That scenario is scary indeed say that 70% of Bitcoins that are in circulation are being tagged by this blockchain analysis company. And with that I'm thinking, that maybe we could buy Bitcoin at a discount since it's tainted? And then we have a market wherein all Bitcoin that are marked dirty can be sold and it's different to a market that buy and trade Bitcoin that is clean? And then newly minted Bitcoin are going to be tagged as "virgin" and so the price is at a premium. And obviously, by that time, not all Bitcoin are treated or created equal.

So do you really expect 2 markets  :)

BTC is BTC old and new not matter any value or price.
all are the real with decentralized you can't able to divide it with old and new.
If you old and new is different then you need to learn more about bitcoin and decentralized economic power.
I recommend you try to know about crypto and blockchain and about power of BTC

They want Bitcoin to look like or behave like fiat so bad that they come up with this new classifications such as "New Bitcoin" "Old Bitcoin" "Virgin Bitcoin" "Clean Bitcoin" " Dirty Bitcoin". This is one of the points of attack on Bitcoin and the more people believe such a false narrative, the worse for us.

I don't think satoshi had it in mind that Bitcoin would be classified this way several years later after he launched the network