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I believe that the name for that subforum, "Scam Accusations", makes everyone believe that every service that has a complaint in there has a higher probability to be a scam.

Would it be good if the admins of BitcoinTalk change the name to something like "Issues and Complaints"? The name "Scam Accusations" might be too aggressive, no?

You must had got a deep thought on this based on your own view but let's still have a practical picturial view on how it's currently as "Scam accusation", then we'll understand that threads on that sub-board is likely to be about scams, Abuses and Bullying that're being potential of fraudulent acts.
So let's also at your suggestion on"issues and complaints", there we'd find such panel/cases best suitable on the "Reputation" sub-board which is where complains and falses are being discussed.
So I think everything is still okay as it's. And yeah, let the names as implied "Scam Accusation" be so aggressive like that so it influences every entities to stay clean and genuine so they don't get to such level as it's like ruining ones reputations.
So I think the agreesiveness as thought would leave every reputable entities threats to stay positive.

If it is issue and complaint only, it can be posted in announcement thread of a service.

For more serious things like scam accusations, the child board "Scam Accusations" exists for these scam reports. Sometimes forum members and users of these platforms make their scam accusations with enough evidence. Sometimes their scam accusations are no evidence and like trolls, but the board is for accusations, serious things, not like a service issue or complain about unsmoothness of it.

Scam Report Format (Use it to make scam reports properly) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0)

I agree on this opinion but not convenient as always since ANN thread usually flooded by discussion especially services with active signature campaign. A an issue like this often overlooked since the flow of discussion often discontinue by different topic about the casino.

The current scam accusation board works perfectly though since casino representatives often addressed the issue with high priority since the inquiry is considered as scam accusation which is bad for their reputation.

I believe that the child board of Trading Discussion called "Scam Accusations" is a place made for those peer to peer trades made in BitcoinTalk that have actual sorts of issues happening with the trade. But currently it's being used for all sorts of complaints and accusations. It's probably good to separate "Services Issues" from "Scam Accusations", no?

Plus I disagree that account issues or any issue/report should be posted in the announcement thread of these services. It will merely encourage trolling and disinformation.

Nope. Its simple and to the point. Modern language is full of euphemisms that try to hide the real state and not to "offend" anyone and imho we don't need more of it here.


That would be actually confusing as it sounds like it refers to forum issues, not about being scamemd by another member/company etc.

Instead of changing the name, we should put more effort into actively supporting legitimate accusations.
I mean you can call a visually challenged, blind if you have empathy I have no issue with that. In fact, it is much better than calling a blind person with fancy post-modernistic names without having any empathy.
Sorry If sounded rude.

Perhaps before anything is being deliberated in the Scam Accusation subforum I believe there is always a real issue of scam which makes it difficult for people to ignore any thread created for any company because definitely there was an unacceptable action that led to them having a thread in Scam Accusation.

Moreover the word "Accusation" means a claim that may or may not be true, so it doesn't mean that if you or whoever or whatever product that is mention in that board is a scam.

Perhaps I believe it's our subconsciousness that drives the believe that it's too aggressive.

There's nothing we can if some people assume that without reading the thread carefully.


No, IMO discussion about issue or complaint can be done on either "Service Announcements" or "Service Discussion" board.

I don't think it's a bad idea but I don't see a great need to change the name either. I think that so far it has worked well for what it was created for: to be able to discuss scam accusations, and I don't know if changing it would be too politically correct, as Rikafip says.

Besides the name “Issues and Complaints” should be completed with a “about services offered on the forum” or something similar, otherwise it could look like complaints against the forum itself or theymos instead of the businesses that have an account here.

In any case I don't think theymos would think of changing it because for that there would have to be either a clamor in the forum or a pressing need and neither seems to be the case here.

There is no better fit for it than scam accusations. I really like it like that. If a site scammed someone, or the person feel cheated, it is always a good board to have such discussion. They are about scam and everything related to it is perfect. But I still think some discussions does not fit into the board but while "Issues and Complaints" are not also a fit for them. An example is someone's Twitter account hack that led to scam of selling of fake tokens.

It's a good suggestion made but I believe it's the magnitude of the sub-board's name "scam accusation ", that draws the quick attention of the casino concerned to addressing the complaints raised by a user than anything else, because no casino wants it's brand to be associated with scam related matters.

But as "Issues and Complaints" board a casino can overlook or drag foot on giving needed attention since it's just captured as a "complaint".

Just my view.

"Scam Accusation" is a perfect name for that child board, it is an "accusation", it does not mean that it is factual yet, until the topic fully unfolds, and whoever wants to review any particular accusation can read the OP and follow the topic to fully understand everything, it is that easy, and a change of name is not necessary.

This. The term pretty much screams "Guilty until proven innocent"

If the section is renamed to "Issues and complaints" that does not mean only related to services being offered in the forum but the forum as a whole, like meta itself it. On the contrary the current name seems appropriate.

Also discussing about the scam in SA/SD seems redundant, why would you visit another thread to discuss about it? Unless the Scam Accusations section was only like a read-only bulletin board - discussions would be redirected elsewhere. I am sure admins are in no mood to change the code do to that and break something else in the meantime.

I don't think so. After all, the board is for scam accusations, and if people are posting complaints and issues there, they are using the wrong board because that is not where you post issues or complaints but only scam accusations against users, services, platforms, or anything else that has a direct connection with this forum and have a presence here.

Complaints, in most cases, can be submitted in the announcement threads of the services and platforms, and issues should be posted on boards related to the topic. For example, if someone has an issue related to gambling and it's a general issue and not related to a platform, they can ask about it in the Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0) section or Gambling Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0).

For more general issues and complaints, one can use the Beginners & Help (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0) section.

As already a few times written i think its a perfect named board.
For your question in the title there is a 100% No from me to change the name of that board.

Tell us one really important Reason why this should be not done , if there is a problem with the service from announcement (Project) the best way is to post in there.
If there is something related to the Account that made the announcement and it looks phishy all should be know that.

The name of the sub-board is the power behind the board. No project would want their name to be dragged to the mud. If the name is not hash, projects could be dragged there and they'll ignore the accusation. I think it's fine as Scam accusation.

Honestly, I don't know what you think when you read "Scam Accusations". When I read this, I don't see a place to complain about how a service works, but a place to present evidence that I was deceived by a service. Therefore, I don't see a logical reason to change the name.

It's one thing for me to buy a product, for it to take a long time to arrive, and for me to talk to the seller to understand what's going on, and the answer is that it's a problem with the shipping company. OK, let's wait a little longer. This is a complaint/problem, which should be discussed in the topic related to the service/product.

Another thing is that the product does not arrive 2 months later, or what arrives is a product that does not correspond to reality, and the seller fails to respond or try to resolve the problem. This is a scheme, which has to be exposed.

In short, the "Scam Accusations" space is for presenting evidence of schemes. Changing the name would relieve pressure on the criminals, who could more easily go unnoticed.

I'm always flipping through old-Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24;sort=first_post), looking for forum-improvement discussions, and I recently bumped into the following post by BadBear:


There's something cleaner and more constructive-sounding [1] about "Trade Disputes" than "Scam Accusations", isn't there?

I mean, I can't see "Scam Accusations" being renamed, but, maybe there's a case to be made for "Trade Disputes" to be added? (As in, user-to-user trade-related issues could go there, instead of in "Scam Accusations" which sounds kind of goofy to my ear for that use-case. If I was having a contentious financial interaction with another user, I'd feel pretty stupid making a post about it in "Scam Accusations", and I'd also feel it wrong to post about it in "Reputation", but "Trade Disputes" would feel just right.)

Anyway, just leaving BadBear's idea here because I think it's worth pondering...

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[1] Please don't think that I like the idea of "soft language". If you've got ~7 minutes, I recommend watching George Carlin's take on this (https://youtu.be/h67k9eEw9AY). If you're anything like me, you'll find yourself smiling and nodding along to basically the whole thing. The way he delivers the following line always gets me: "They don't have a negative cash flow position... They're fuckin' broke!" :D

Your observation is not that bad, but i will like to remind us of the existing announcement thread which i believe almost all these site would have created and anyone having issues with how they are using their platforms could go there to make their various complaints, while for the severe cases or the confirmed ones to be scam are the ones expected to be on the scam accusation board with evidence, its such a pity now that most of the people reporting for scam are not all a scam related issues on that board, if its just a complaint in using a service, then it should be discussed on their announcement thread while the scam accusation board should only contain for any confirmed scam event.

This harkens back to a time when the "accusations" involved on-forum dealings between two trading partners, which is something of a rarity nowadays. If we analyze Page 1 of Scam Accusations at the moment:

- 1 topic about a cryptocurrency scam
- 1 topic about an email scam
- 2 topics about Telegram scams
- 2 topics about wallets or online wallet
- 6 topics about crypto exchanges or exchange services
- 24 topic about casinos

Not a single topic regarding a trade deal between two forum users.

For better or worse, renaming the section "Trade Disputes" would probably discourage talk of off-forum deals and experiences. I personally think its kinda neat that Bitcointalk can be a hub for all this other activity; its a social media outlet that people from all over the internet can come to to complain about a bad crypto-related experience. Because Bitcointalk is so powerful in terms of SEO, quite often service providers do take complaints filed there seriously, and some forum members can actually provide valuable help based on if it is in their wheelhouse of knowledge.

"Scam accusations" is just fine. No need to change anything. It's an allegation or claim and therefore the accused has to come out and defend themselves if they think they have been wrongly accused.

When someone is trying to research about a certain service. They are mostly likely going to type on the search engine "service name/domain name" + "scam" or "legit" or "review". Typing "scam" alongside the service name will easily bring up the bitcointalk scam accusation threads if there are any, and the user can decide to read through.

Issues and Complaints --> We have Service Announcement threads and then service discussion boards if the service has no service announcements, where Issues and Complaints can also be reported. If someone comes up and advertised a Ponzi scheme or phishing link. It's not an issue, it's straight out scam  :)

Trade disputes are so rare in this forum. I don't even remember the last reported one where other members had to mediate to determine who was innocent and who was not. But scam such as loan defaults, advertising scam sites, scam casinos and exchanges are so common just like Nutildah pointed out

Nowadays there are so many topics about scam accusations related to casinos - which are not actually scam accusations by the definition of the word by the way - that perhaps they might benefit from getting their own board.

It's basically 2/3rds of all topics anyway. And each casino could appoint their own representative for their own "accusations" (more like disputes & resolutions), like AskGamblers. And there could even be mediators too.

Now that I think about it, it may not even have to be a child board of Scam Accusations. It can simply be a Gambling sub-board.

As simple there's no need showing empathy on serious issues such as scam and accusations. As legal justification, there's every transparent necessary to call a spade a spade without compromise just to show sympathy. There's no tolerance and no room for sugarcoating if justice for reign. Besides the tag of the sub board "Scam Accusations" in the forum doesn't justify the accuser earns it a justice rather in the main time the allegation is alleged and hasn't been verified of who's right or wrong.
I think only the guilts fears the sound of the truths and justice.