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Title: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 09, 2025, 02:48:54 AM
Hello,

Our Tennis Cartel has seven members who come from all over the world. We exchange data, statistics, reports, and insider information. While keeping an eye on the markets, we discovered many clear trends. Our perspective on tennis matches is completely different from that of other tipsters or oddsmakers. We have an advantage over the bookies because of this. Even in the case of sharp Pinnacle/Betfair markets, we firmly believe that we are unstoppable.

here is small sample of our quality: 300 verified bets (4 months) with odds from the sharpest bookmaker on the world, Pinnacle Sport
https://pyckio.com/i/#!account/tenniscartel

We are looking for investors (to give bets for profit share) or for solid, long-term monthly subscribers.

but first we want to build some trust here. I will try to keep sending free bets here to show we are able to beat the hardest markets on the world.




Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 09, 2025, 02:59:12 AM
Tennis
ATP - SINGLES: Australian Open (Australia) - Qualification, hard - Final

Nikoloz Basilashvili to win against Francesco Passaro
odds 1.98 in Pinnacle

in my opinion odds should be around 1.71

Basilashvili came to Melbourne very early (28.12.24) so he practiced on this courts so much and that was visible in his first two opening matches. He was agressor like always, but he not produced many unforced errors (in his standards). Confidence is on high level. This match is simply on his racquet.
On the other hand, Passaro wasn't convincing at all. He won against Zeppieri (first match since summer) and against Barranco who is extremely poor player on the hard court. Passaro needed long 3 sets to win against him and looked tired at the end.

For me it's all about Basilashvili here and he should be solid fav here.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Darker45 on January 09, 2025, 03:35:00 AM
Here comes another attempt from a newbie to make money. The game is live now. Nikoloz's chance of winning has gone even lower so far. Your explanation as to why he's winning the match isn't really convincing either.

But let me tail this bet with a dollar or two. I hope you won't fail in your very first attempt to prove your worth. Otherwise, you won't attract any investor and end up creating another account to start from scratch all over again.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 09, 2025, 03:43:47 AM
I believe longer preparation on the courts is advantage
More powerful hitting also is advantage
Fitness also on Basilashvili side
I also forget to mention - Passaro is very high seeded and even with loss, he can be still in main draw as a lucky loser

I understand how it's look maybe, but I have to start from something. I not forcing anyone. I will try to share some free bets and maybe someone will like it, if not, is not end of the world. really.

yes, match is in-play now and Nikoloz outplaying him, hope he will keep doing that.



Tennis
ATP - SINGLES: Australian Open (Australia) - Qualification, hard - Final

Nikoloz Basilashvili to win against Francesco Passaro
odds 1.98 in Pinnacle

in my opinion odds should be around 1.71

Basilashvili came to Melbourne very early (28.12.24) so he practiced on this courts so much and that was visible in his first two opening matches. He was agressor like always, but he not produced many unforced errors (in his standards). Confidence is on high level. This match is simply on his racquet.
On the other hand, Passaro wasn't convincing at all. He won against Zeppieri (first match since summer) and against Barranco who is extremely poor player on the hard court. Passaro needed long 3 sets to win against him and looked tired at the end.

For me it's all about Basilashvili here and he should be solid fav here.

6:3, 6:3 for Basilashvili. Passaro was simply outplayed and overpowered.

hope someone followed, thanks

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: freedomgo on January 09, 2025, 06:54:46 AM
We are looking for investors (to give bets for profit share) or for solid, long-term monthly subscribers.


This is a major red flag using terms like "cartel" and "investor" are enough to land you in jail.

I really hope no one falls for this kind of scam, even if it claims to generate profits. Because if it ends up putting you behind bars, what’s the point? You won’t even get to enjoy the money. Best advice? Stay far away from this stuff.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: iv4n on January 09, 2025, 07:34:01 AM
We are looking for investors (to give bets for profit share) or for solid, long-term monthly subscribers.


This is a major red flag using terms like "cartel" and "investor" are enough to land you in jail.

I really hope no one falls for this kind of scam, even if it claims to generate profits. Because if it ends up putting you behind bars, what’s the point? You won’t even get to enjoy the money. Best advice? Stay far away from this stuff.

Maybe it's just some young people who heard those expressions in songs, and like many of us at that age think it's cool. I like to listen to the radio in the car and sometimes I hear some new songs, I don't know the names of these modern artists and I can't say that I like what I hear... but when I was a kid (30 years ago) older people disliked 2 Pac, Wu-Tang Clan, Cypress Hill, Easy E, and many others.

Wrong approach definitely, and "not very good" choice of words... They should work on it if they wish to make some results.

6:3, 6:3 for Basilashvili. Passaro was simply outplayed and overpowered.

hope someone followed, thanks

Unfortunately, I didn't follow up because I saw this thread late. Nice win, but one nice hit is not enough to build a reputation. That's the problem with most of the tipsters who offer their services here, they expect someone to pay for their services just like that... try staying here a little longer, edit your thread to look nice, share your predictions every now and then, and you might get good reputation and followers. Nothing happens overnight and without effort...


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Beparanf on January 09, 2025, 07:49:02 AM
You’re not a cartel, you’re just a bunch of tipster providers that unites to attract customers using your so called combined results.

You’re not manipulating or monopolizing anything on sports betting in able to be called as a cartel. Your service is the same to the bunch of tipster out there that ask money in exchange for a match pick.

Try to impress and start showing results.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 09, 2025, 08:06:52 AM
no, no. we are not next kids who want to get 100 euro and run away, dont worry.

I found this forum yesterday and I believe here is many serious peoples who will respect our job and edge over the market. that's why we decided to share some free bets here.

obviously, I will keep posting bets for some time.

thanks for messages, always is room for improvement


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Haunebu on January 09, 2025, 09:12:11 AM
Am not sure whether you are trying to provide a legit service or just trying to scam people, but your attempt is pointless either way op because it's really tough to earn trust in this forum without proper effort and dedication.

I have seen many threads like this one come and go because of these issues which is why you might as well give up now op.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on January 09, 2025, 09:53:04 AM
Hello,

Our Tennis Cartel has seven members who come from all over the world. We exchange data, statistics, reports, and insider information. While keeping an eye on the markets, we discovered many clear trends. Our perspective on tennis matches is completely different from that of other tipsters or oddsmakers. We have an advantage over the bookies because of this. Even in the case of sharp Pinnacle/Betfair markets, we firmly believe that we are unstoppable.

here is small sample of our quality: 300 verified bets (4 months) with odds from the sharpest bookmaker on the world, Pinnacle Sport
https://pyckio.com/i/#!account/tenniscartel

We are looking for investors (to give bets for profit share) or for solid, long-term monthly subscribers.

but first we want to build some trust here. I will try to keep sending free bets here to show we are able to beat the hardest markets on the world.


Just had a quick look over your picking history on pyckio and it's not really impressing to be honest.  A hit rate of 43.9% is not that good, even if the yield is ok with 10%, which obviously comes from hitting some higher odds. Winning only 300+ units in 300+ bets seems like a waste of time and resources, doesn't it?
Also, if you are so sharp I doubt it's a winning strategy to "only" make 10$ bets. If you have an edge you make bigger bets, everybody knows that.
As said by others before, the choice of your name is also rather questionable, but everybody can make this decision for themselves of course.



Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: freedomgo on January 09, 2025, 02:39:45 PM
Scammers have no place in the forum because every time they open a thread, they already know what’s coming. Don’t even try us here because we’ve been around for years and have seen all kinds of scams. That’s why some scammers now just use bots to create threads and lock them immediately, but even that has been addressed by our community supporters. So, if your purpose is to scam, this isn’t the place for you.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Slow death on January 09, 2025, 04:34:14 PM
I confess that I cannot understand why someone who apparently manages to do well in tennis betting would need other people's money, even if that person started with a very low capital and was reinvesting, that person after some time would have a very large capital, so I do not see any reason for you to be asking other people for money.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: DGUDGUDGU on January 09, 2025, 04:59:00 PM
Here comes another attempt from a newbie to make money. The game is live now. Nikoloz's chance of winning has gone even lower so far. Your explanation as to why he's winning the match isn't really convincing either.

But let me tail this bet with a dollar or two. I hope you won't fail in your very first attempt to prove your worth. Otherwise, you won't attract any investor and end up creating another account to start from scratch all over again.
I am not defending OP because I don't understand why he needs stakers on Australian Open, he's probably scamming but your comment is completely stupid and useless.

The performance on one bet means nothing, betting is all about a big sample size and profitability over thousands of bets, not if one single bet wins.
A losing bet can still be a good position if the odds dropped and the CLV was good, you need to research how profitable betting actually works.

So question for OP: Why do you need stakers on australian open games? Bookmaker/pinnacle have insane limits, there's other outs that do not kick out profitable customers on these markets.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Darker45 on January 10, 2025, 02:16:15 AM
Try to impress and start showing results.

This is the only way. Show to everybody that you got it. Trust isn't cheap. Don't expect investors and subscribers after you got 3 or 5 or 10 wins. If you can make it 20-0, 30-1, 50-3, and so on honestly and fairly, somebody might take your offer seriously. Until then, expect doubts, criticism, suspicion, and the like. Here, especially if you're a newbie soliciting investments and subscription, you're a scammer until proven otherwise.

You're claiming to be unstoppable. Show it!


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Beparanf on January 10, 2025, 12:48:11 PM
I confess that I cannot understand why someone who apparently manages to do well in tennis betting would need other people's money, even if that person started with a very low capital and was reinvesting, that person after some time would have a very large capital, so I do not see any reason for you to be asking other people for money.

Assuming that he is telling the truth here about their profitable method. Selling their tips can generate passive income without risk while still earning through their bet with risk involved.

Their profitability will not be affected if they share the picks they are betting so an additional income is always goods. It’s like those successful traders or investors selling their books about their strategy.

It’s the end goal for those successful bettor that doesn’t want to risk anymore and still want to earn profit.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on January 10, 2025, 01:17:50 PM
Hello,

Our Tennis Cartel has seven members who come from all over the world. We exchange data, statistics, reports, and insider information. While keeping an eye on the markets, we discovered many clear trends. Our perspective on tennis matches is completely different from that of other tipsters or oddsmakers. We have an advantage over the bookies because of this. Even in the case of sharp Pinnacle/Betfair markets, we firmly believe that we are unstoppable.

here is small sample of our quality: 300 verified bets (4 months) with odds from the sharpest bookmaker on the world, Pinnacle Sport
https://pyckio.com/i/#!account/tenniscartel

We are looking for investors (to give bets for profit share) or for solid, long-term monthly subscribers.

but first we want to build some trust here. I will try to keep sending free bets here to show we are able to beat the hardest markets on the world.



Well, sorry but the free bets you intend posting here don't prove anything, I understand why you guys need investors or subscribers, where as you claim that you are a tennis cartel of seven people from around the world, what stops the seven of you from putting money together and going big on every bet opportunity that appears, so that you win very big too since I perceive you might be wanting us to believe your tips are sure tips?

Finding investors or subscribers who subscribe monthly to your Tipping service proves one thing, and that is that you are likely a scammer looking for gullible sports bettors to prey on.
If you are sure of your own tips, bet on them and make big money for yourselves and stop looking for people to deceive here. 😏


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: D ltr on January 10, 2025, 04:21:42 PM
Tennis
ATP - SINGLES: Australian Open (Australia) - Qualification, hard - Final

Nikoloz Basilashvili to win against Francesco Passaro
odds 1.98 in Pinnacle

in my opinion odds should be around 1.71

Basilashvili came to Melbourne very early (28.12.24) so he practiced on this courts so much and that was visible in his first two opening matches. He was agressor like always, but he not produced many unforced errors (in his standards). Confidence is on high level. This match is simply on his racquet.
On the other hand, Passaro wasn't convincing at all. He won against Zeppieri (first match since summer) and against Barranco who is extremely poor player on the hard court. Passaro needed long 3 sets to win against him and looked tired at the end.

For me it's all about Basilashvili here and he should be solid fav here.

Am I the only one who doesn't know that tennis can be used as a bet, where during the time I watched the tennis championship, the only winners were Djokovic, Serena, and Alcaraz as the main players in each session, so from which perspective the bet is taken, do you have a favorite tennis player to bet on?


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on January 11, 2025, 04:23:31 AM


Am I the only one who doesn't know that tennis can be used as a bet, where during the time I watched the tennis championship, the only winners were Djokovic, Serena, and Alcaraz as the main players in each session, so from which perspective the bet is taken, do you have a favorite tennis player to bet on?

LOL, what do you even mean?? Before you meet one of the top players in the finals or whatever there are dozens other games that lead towards it obviously.  ::)
And, you didn't know you can bet on tennis?? You can bet on anything, especially when it's the 4th (!!) most popular sport in the world. Damn, your post really makes 0 sense to be honest.  ;D

Try to impress and start showing results.

This is the only way. Show to everybody that you got it. Trust isn't cheap. Don't expect investors and subscribers after you got 3 or 5 or 10 wins. If you can make it 20-0, 30-1, 50-3, and so on honestly and fairly, somebody might take your offer seriously. Until then, expect doubts, criticism, suspicion, and the like. Here, especially if you're a newbie soliciting investments and subscription, you're a scammer until proven otherwise.

You're claiming to be unstoppable. Show it!

OP posted a link to his bets in the recent 3 months and he wins less than 50% of the bets he places. Pretty underwhelming for somebody that supposedly has so much insight.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: DGUDGUDGU on January 11, 2025, 09:05:28 PM

OP posted a link to his bets in the recent 3 months and he wins less than 50% of the bets he places. Pretty underwhelming for somebody that supposedly has so much insight.


Win rate means absolutely nothing in profitable betting, his average odds are 2.74 of course he is going to be winning below 50%.

His avg return on investment is 10.8% which is very impressive, but his sample is small with only 330 bets and there's still no answer to why he needs staking.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Saint-loup on January 11, 2025, 10:47:59 PM
Why does he needs funds then? He could just borrow some money, increasing his bankroll with it and once he has made some benefits repay his credit, no? I don't understand what's the point of asking money to other people when you can make money alone. He wants to share his profits by generosity, unfortunately many so-called succesful traders have already offered such type of investments and it didn't turn well at the end for the investors.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on January 12, 2025, 06:28:48 AM

OP posted a link to his bets in the recent 3 months and he wins less than 50% of the bets he places. Pretty underwhelming for somebody that supposedly has so much insight.


Win rate means absolutely nothing in profitable betting, his average odds are 2.74 of course he is going to be winning below 50%.

His avg return on investment is 10.8% which is very impressive, but his sample is small with only 330 bets and there's still no answer to why he needs staking.

It's not impressive. You lose a couple of bets again and he is in negative super quick. Average odds of 2.74 show that he is straight up gambling, this has nothing to do with good scouting or anything. Also the average is a big misleading since there are many bets that are 5x and up. Win some of those and your return rate looks better. Anyway, I doubt OP will come back since nobody is really impressed or interested anyway, and that's good.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Haunebu on January 12, 2025, 08:02:29 AM
Win rate means absolutely nothing in profitable betting, his average odds are 2.74 of course he is going to be winning below 50%.
ROI is definitely more important than win rate in sports betting, but saying that win rate means nothing is just silly since it's an important factor that cannot be ignored based on my knowledge.

Also, he might actually be trying to offer a legit service, but he needs to prove how reliable he truly is to forum members which probably won't happen if you ask me.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: DGUDGUDGU on January 12, 2025, 12:33:16 PM
ROI is definitely more important than win rate in sports betting, but saying that win rate means nothing is just silly since it's an important factor that cannot be ignored based on my knowledge.

Also, he might actually be trying to offer a legit service, but he needs to prove how reliable he truly is to forum members which probably won't happen if you ask me.

Win rate doesn't mean anything... say you bet long short horses at 30-100 odds (there is many people who do this fulltime)
Your win rate could be 4-6% but you would still be a good profitable winning bettor at those odds.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: AbuBhakar on January 13, 2025, 12:07:19 PM
ROI is definitely more important than win rate in sports betting, but saying that win rate means nothing is just silly since it's an important factor that cannot be ignored based on my knowledge.

Also, he might actually be trying to offer a legit service, but he needs to prove how reliable he truly is to forum members which probably won't happen if you ask me.

Win rate doesn't mean anything... say you bet long short horses at 30-100 odds (there is many people who do this fulltime)
Your win rate could be 4-6% but you would still be a good profitable winning bettor at those odds.

What you mention is correct but @haunebu is not wrong either. Both PnL and Win rate is important on sports betting because it determines how successful and accurate your prediction is.

A gambler might ended up profitable with 4-6% but how can maintain his profitability in the long run since the kind of bet he is using has too much risk involved which means it’s more on relying to luck just to beat the odds.


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 13, 2025, 11:27:46 PM
Tennis
ATP - SINGLES: Australian Open (Australia), hard - 1/64-finals
Monfils Gael    -   Mpetshi Perricard Giovanni
Mpetshi Perricard Giovanni to win
1.79 in Pinnacle Sports

According to our information, Monfils not looked fully fit at the practice court today. He is 38 y.o.. Obviously, superb athlete, but best of 5 is hard task for him at this stage of the career.




Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: DGUDGUDGU on January 13, 2025, 11:54:27 PM

What you mention is correct but @haunebu is not wrong either. Both PnL and Win rate is important on sports betting because it determines how successful and accurate your prediction is.

A gambler might ended up profitable with 4-6% but how can maintain his profitability in the long run since the kind of bet he is using has too much risk involved which means it’s more on relying to luck just to beat the odds.

You just do not understand math or probability, you need to go take a math class or google some stuff about sharp betting.

Tennis
ATP - SINGLES: Australian Open (Australia), hard - 1/64-finals
Monfils Gael    -   Mpetshi Perricard Giovanni
Mpetshi Perricard Giovanni to win
1.79 in Pinnacle Sports

According to our information, Monfils not looked fully fit at the practice court today. He is 38 y.o.. Obviously, superb athlete, but best of 5 is hard task for him at this stage of the career.

You didn't answer anyones question, why do you need investors?
Is there a lack of bankroll for you guys or what exactly is the reason for needing other people to bet?


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 14, 2025, 12:14:42 AM
Yes, our stakes are low, and we stick to the low-risk bankroll management (1% per bet, we are using flat stakes) because this is a long-term project and we are fully trusting for our edge over the markets.

Additional money will help us to cover costs (information sources, tools, etc.) and also to give us some small monthly payments as we are not touching bankroll money at all.

We understand what the main problem with paid bet services is—dropping odds. Here shouldn't be a problem at all as we work on Pinnacle odds.

I found this place and believe is possible to find here some serious peoples who understand what is long-term betting on asian markets (some people's here unfortunately don't understand because they are think double-digit roi is poor or hit rate below 50% is rubbish, so I even not answer).

I will keep posting bets here till the end of the march, I'm sure this is good sample enough for someone to join us,

thanks


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Darker45 on January 15, 2025, 12:07:46 PM
How are we to move forward from here, my friend?

It seems the tennis cartel that has insider information and has an advantage over bookies has failed very early. It's just your second bet and you've already lost.

It seems what you firmly believe, that you're unstoppable, is proven wrong right away. And you even picked the favorite this time.

You failed to establish a reputation. Would you try to redeem yourself? Or would you quit and come back with another account and a different spiel?


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: Hispo on January 15, 2025, 04:45:15 PM
...

You failed to establish a reputation. Would you try to redeem yourself? Or would you quit and come back with another account and a different spiel?

He probably has a completely different account on social media, perhaps on Twitter or in a community of gamblers on which he was giving completely opposite tips to the ones we have seen here, so in our eyes he is a completely random person who tried to get funds by proving himself to have extraordinary information on the sport, unfortunately in the eyes of the other community he probably partakes on he is probably seen as a genius who rarely gets things wrong.
Anyways, that is how these kind of scams have always worked... It is easy to predict future if you have the option to select all possible a outcomes at the same time.

After two games or perhaps three he will start to ask bettors on his other account to send him money for future tips, which we all know are complete BS.  ::)


Title: Re: TENNIS CARTEL (tennis bets from the sharp asian markets)
Post by: TennisCartel on January 17, 2025, 01:40:53 AM
Wow, really classless comments above. Yes, bet lost, but I promised 100% accuracy? NO. Stop talking about scamm and is very sad - for both of you lose of my bet is like big happiness, but that mean a lot about both of you, not about me. this is long-term project, marathon - not sprint.


in opening post are bets from last 3 previous months, but platform pyckio will be closed soon and merged with tipstrr, so we posting bets there.


https://tipstrr.com/tipster/tenn1s-cartel

Sport   Tips ▾   Win rate   Profit   ROI   Avg. odds
Tennis   50   54%   £13,080   26.2%   2.45

so far this month, all bets obviously from Pinnacle Sports



Tenn1s Cartel added a free tip on the
Australia
Australian Open Women

Added about 4 hours ago•£1,000 stake with Pinnacle

Asian handicap sets • M Frech 1.5
Odds advised at 2.45
M Frech v M Andreeva
17th January 2025 at 03:00
Best current odds
2.45


Australia
Australian Open

Added about 15 hours ago•£1,000 stake with Pinnacle

Over/under games • Over 32
Odds advised at 1.97
J Fearnley v A Zverev
17th January 2025 at 03:00
Best current odds
1.95