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Recep:

I was contacted by the seller, he agreed to send me amount back for my bittalk account as collateral, I agreed.

After i reset password, and gave him my account after deleting my Inbox.

The guy agreed send me amount back, but he didn't and proceeded to reset pass, and email.

When he did that I got his email, and password which he did to.

Apparetnly he's using same email for exchanges, it's a gmail.

I can use that for filing the case on the exchanges, he sent me screenshots in between him logging into my account for me to stay assured.

I have locked my account from the mail link, but if anyone contacts anyone from account "worldofcoins", please don't interact with the person unless I sign with this address "bc1qlqjr0sfx6pg44g08898u05aw8elg4zq4wf979d"

Signing message for verification, that I am the owner of "worldofcoins"

Message: Account, hacked (Listen to my bs story)
Address: bc1qlqjr0sfx6pg44g08898u05aw8elg4zq4wf979d
Signed message: H0tdDo0J+UJO9c5lPaTnOKyfUTL1SS5Z3v61rRphAAPUI5JEybzSHz6jL4mEHckQSs5F8WHpJc0zlrTxMVXUIJc=

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I sent the guy a message, but he didn't say anything.

How can we be sure that the account owner is linked to this wallet? Why is there no link to the proof right away?

And to be honest, I didn't quite understand the story. Did you try to sell your account and get scammed?

I've sent an email, moment ago after getting hacked to the recovery email of the forum. (If you're in that affair then you'll be able to verify I am the actual owner).
The guy said he's going to send me money after I delete the thread, of threatening him to file a case on him, recently i got scammed on telegram for 1k USD, I opened a thread against the guy, Adventrous was his alias, the guy keeps changing his telegram username, and profile picture, to scam others.

I agreed, but after I gave him my account, after deleting messages, and changing pass, he changed email, and password of the account, and didn't send the agreed amount, anyway, I didn't expect him to. No I wasn't selling my account, there won't be much for him to gain from my account, returning the amount he scammed me.

He cannot send messages or make posts. I've locked the account.

But in the meantime, I got the screenshots from his phone logging into the account, his IP address, the guy's from Zimbabwe, and his email address, a gmail "After he changed my account's email to his.

And yes, this is the same person who scammed me 1000$ and who has my account. He again blocked me (I don't know for how long)

I don't have much hope of getting my scammed amount back, but what's wrong with trying to mail a few exchanges citing his wallet, email, IP, and telegram? Who knows what happens after it?

That is the point I observed he is trying to make, but is it possible for someone to sell their account over here?
And from what op is saying, he came to raise a concern when other person comes as imposter to clean account this shows that the shouldn't be attended to except there is evidence or that person show prove with the address he used in signing messages.
But I think anyone would be interested in this story he came up with is there are no proper explanation and clarifications.

So if I understand correctly you tried to sell your forum account and you got scammed?
You need to post some evidence for this claims, something like screenshots of conversation with you and other account.
I honestly doubt in your claims since nobody in their right mind would ever buy account that was accused for cheating with so many negative feedback received:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=900385

I have read OP more than once but I didn't understand him. I don't know if he is intentionally using confusing words to explain himself. Please, come out straight so that people will understand the case. I just understand that you are no longer in possession of the Worldofcoins account.

How did you lose it?
1. Was it hacked?
2. Or you were trying to sell it and got scammed?
What business did you have with the telegram guy who was changing his username and profile. Did he promise to buy your account for 1k USD if you delete all the accusations you made with the account?
So, the idea was not to buy the account for usage but to have you delete all your accusations and private messages. Please make the community understand you.

Even though it's a bit confusing, since I read the thread OP had created in the Scam Accusations section about him getting scammed, I believe I somehow understand what he is trying to say/explain here. By the way, those who didn't read OP's thread where he got scammed by a user on Telegram by impersonating minerjones, you can find the thread in the Archival (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527788.0)). Since the opening post and all the posts made by OP are removed, you can read the opening post from this archived post (https://ninjastic.space/post/64994433) from ninjastic.space to get some context.

OP was first scammed by the user for $1,000 in a trade to exchange, if I remember correctly, TRX to USDT (@OP, please confirm), and then OP said that the guy had transferred the funds in a centralized exchange, which can become a way for him to find the guy if he takes legal action. So, in this thread, he is saying that the guy asked for his Bitcointalk account as collateral to give his money back and then instead of giving the money back, he changed the account credentials.

I believe I understood correctly. The reason why the scammer asked for the account is probably so that he can remove the thread and the posts, but he could simply ask OP to do that instead of such a condition, and I don't know how OP agreed.

Quite the detail I wanted to gain understanding of. If this was an account trade gone wrong but, you’ve cleared on that to be a case of trade and having to recover scammed funds.

Well, I don’t know how you got to trust a scammer and how such scammer would be very concerned about a thread to the point of, attempting to have it deleted as though, it would do any good.

Having to hand a scammer your forum account details, that’s a bold move, one that your surely having to regret but, your account as it is, is out of trust!

Your account wasn't hacked, you experience an attempted scam due to the trust you did, expecting him to follow his words.

So what happened is
- you were scammed by 1k USD by the guy
- you made a scam accusation thread
- the scammer will send you 1k USD if you delete the scam accusation thread you made
- then the confusing part, you gave him your accounts info to delete the thread? So how your account become collateral? for what purpose? When you can just delete the thread right away.

Trust me, nobody wants to interact with worldofcoins account. It is quite unrealistic that someone even wanted to make a deal with that account while accepting it as collateral.

A serious contender for the dumbest troll of the month. Gets outed as an alt of a scammer. Complains about getting scammed in the dumbest way possible. Complains about getting hacked but actually gave the account away. Illiterate to the point of incomprehensible.

I would not be surprised if he has done that since a red trusted account can pretty much only be used for bounty campaigns as far as money is concerned.

So maybe the buyer has an account farm of bounty hunting accounts and decided to rugpull the OP.

Indeed Op was outshined out of lackeof smartness which would had been preferable to called illiteracy as said. Oops.
He has been unable to provide evidence to prove the claims even if he doesn't have to be abused of his lack of knowledge. Since then I've been skeptic about this because I don't know if the accuser should be termed guilty or not guilty yet. Who knows if it's the fasted finger among them is the one that made this incredible as we're not sure of what Op has said is as what it's. Thereabouts, for now, he's either being outshined and not scammed until evidence is provided.

Thanks for summarizing but this part is very confusing, from what I understood, after scam took place, @OP sent his account information (sale) in order to recover the $1000, then @OP was scammed again.

The story is hard to believe so it will be ignored.

Nothing, you need concrete evidence to back your claim and providing this ain't enough.
The exchange might see you trying to get smarts after a deal was complete.


With your explanation, that's not a definition of hacked.
I really don't understand how you would go into another deal with a person that have scammed you before.
Nobody is that stupid, right?

I've left a neutral feedback since no one bothered to.

Feedback on worldofcoins account, This account has been hacked, if this person asks you to trade claiming worldofcoins ask for signed message from the bitcoin address "bc1qlqjr0sfx6pg44g08898u05aw8elg4zq4wf979d" (Delete)

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Please don't trade with it until I claim I've regained access to it. If someone gets scammed by the person in possession, don't expect refunds from me.

If anyone decides to trade with a deep-red account, this thread or your neutral feedback isn't gonna stop them.

You'd think that's the obvious lesson from this whole shitshow.

It sounds like the cry of someone who has lost all hope of getting attention because no one cares about the problems of a person who has no conscience at all. Is there anyone who cares?
The latest calls to "no trade" sound like this... "I'm still here, but no one needs me anymore." ;D

So, if I'm understanding this correctly (doubtful, given your illiteracy,) you got scammed by this "Adventrous" [sic] character for $1k, you then entrusted him with your account in the hope he would return the $1k back to you? 

He already scammed you once!  What on God's green earth did you really expect him to do, and why would you think your account was worth $1k to anyone?

It needs red feedback for this sort of thing.

Though given your past history, it will probably stay in one form or another.

Account selling is legal but it is frowned upon. There was a time people would do it and it was not a big deal. Now that btc has a lot of value people do not like it to be done.

I have been offered over $10,000 to sell my account.



I would never consider selling it .

As for the poster here maybe he was scammed maybe not I don't know.

Oh I see, but I don't see any reason for selling one account because there could be implications to it because, when the account is sold out you wouldn't know what they buyer intends using the account for and whatever that goes wrong the original owner has to be tracked down, especially when a transaction is already carried out to an exchange where such person has already passed kyc. They could write to exchange to reveal such person identity and could be tracked down for the illegal activities that was carried by the new account operator.

In most cases buyers want to buy such highly reputed accounts to promote some type of scams and nothing else. Someone who's offering $10k  is not going to let that $10k fly away, such people always have pre-made plans that how they will utilize such accounts that is already trusted by most members of the community and scammers can really use such accounts in the malicious ways. In fact, someone who loves this forum and enjoy's posting here won't sell his/her account for $10k or even for $30k as such level account can really earn more than that in a year.

That is quite alot of money for an account in the Bitcointalk. I believe this offer came when there were mixers in the forum. And I am curious how the buyer will regain their money. Do they intend to scam with it?

Did him 2/2 - in the scam accusations thread, the OP mentioned that the scammer blocked him; so I'm curious how he got in touch with him again and provided his account as collateral for what he was scammed.

OP you were not hacked, you gave out your account details and lost it in a failed deal - You can proceed to account recovery and provide the necessary information to get your account unlocked. That was a dumb move.

I can mention the whole story in the recovery process if necessary, or someone from the team wants to hear it, I can't provide the screenshots for this, the way telegram works makes it hard, I have read some article about advanced recovery through tg cache, but don't know if it's possible (There isn't anything to gain anyways doing that).
I have applied for the recovery of my account; I've signed a message from my main Bitcoin address and cited the source of those from my original email before the person in possession changed it.

I believe the guy was interested in security, so I don't repost the deleted post of evidence of him scamming me, what else use he would have for my account?
I have his email, tg handles, and IP address (is it okay to make that public)?

I think it would be a bad idea for admins to hand this account back to the previous owner, who voluntarily handed it over to someone else. There was no hack. There may have been some sort of a sketchy deal, or the OP might be lying, they might have been paid (monetarily or otherwise) for all we know. Only a proper escrow could possibly untangle this mess but it's too late for that.

1. I had private reasons for handing it over, temporary for the account and permanent for deleting the thread against the person. (Which no longer serves being permanent)
2. Yes, there was a hack.
3. Yes, there was a deal, an unsuccessful and unpaid one. Can you elaborate on this "Sketcy deal"?
4. I have everything to gain here by lying to recover a tagged account that your gang banged.
5. There was no escrow, so good luck imagining more possible scenarios.
6. Apply for a mod position. You'll have more "Scamtrolls, trollfucker cases" to talk about.

We're not law enforcement - his personal information isn't going to help here unfortunately.


You're right to some extent - the recovery team would not want to be in a situation where someone sold/gave it as collateral for some sort of business and then somehow locked the account after successful agreements, attempting to get it back through the back door; I'm not saying this is the case here, but we've seen situations like that before.

I  can't confirm whether the story is true or not, but I also have no reason to doubt it. It will be difficult to persuade the recovery team after reading this thread but it is up to them to decide.

For point 2, bpip says that the password was reset at 5:12pm and email changed at 5:23pm on January 31 (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=worldofcoins), and within 20 minutes you created your alt account at 5:46pm, and created this thread and posted it at 5:53pm.

You are claiming that the guy who took your account was the same person who scammed you for $1k (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527788.0). Though that happened on January 26...5 days/well before all of the above. So if you gave this guy your account information as collateral (as you claim), you had 5 days to change your password after being scammed.

There's also no evidence or information about the "deal" you are referring to in the OP. No screenshots, no chat logs, no information about who you were dealing with. There was "proof" of you getting scammed in the thread you made, however it's all been deleted (and even so, I read that thread, and the chat logs you posted said nothing about the account being given as collateral afaik).

For point 4, whether you were hacked or not, being linked to an untrustworthy member on-chain and failing to try and talk your way out of it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527454.0) and this following not too long after makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously let alone help you to recover your account.

I think it's time to move on, worldofcoins.

It's not a hack if you handed it over. A hack by definition is unauthorized access. You clearly authorized them to access your account.

Your "explanation" is idiotic, the thread can't be deleted, and even if it could, you wouldn't need to give your account to someone else to do it, you could just do it yourself.


Giving your account to someone else is ~11 on the scale of sketchiness.

Regardless of whether you're lying or not, there is nothing that anybody can do for you. Log into one of your other not-yet-red accounts and keep scamming.

Read this thread, New investigations board & restrictions on posting personal information (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1576015.0).

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It sounds like "infinity money glitch".

I thought of emailing the exchange he's registered on and providing these details directly to them.

In one exchange, this guy has his account on direct deals with agencies.


Why are you so desperate to make the decision on the account recovery team's behalf?


I only have his IP address, email, and tg handles for now (constantly changing).

Even if I were to dox this info, he can change it anytime (it doesn't contain is house address). It might be helpful to enforcement agencies, but I don't know if the agencies will bother for just 1,000$ case.

Even Nigeria government could not collect personal data of her citizens from Binance and OKX on an alleged money laundering and terrorism finance case. Data protection right is real.

Let it go and learn from it- there's nothing you can do about it.

Dude... you gave him access to your account yourself ::)
You can keep wasting time talking with that exchange and make yourself a bit bigger circus clown than you already are.
Title is wrong, your account was not hacked and it's worthless, so I don't trust a single word your wrote about this case.

I can see why you don't like that, but your opinion doesn't change the facts. Of course you can try to grift account recovery into giving you the account that you voluntarily gave away... that's like saying that you can try to scam someone for $1k to compensate yourself for the $1k that you allegedly lost to a scammer.

Alright, I'll repeat myself last time,

1. The account was given as collateral, and no permanent account deal was made.
2. Yes, I gave it voluntarily, but I never said to change the email address and block me on telegram after that.
3. I kept my promise to the guy, deleted every reply I made on the accusation thread, and archived the thread (No traces left of it being in the scam accusation thread), but the guy stepped over this goodwill, no one would be giving me that amount I got scammed, understandable. So, I just agreed to his deal. Anyway, I don't see that happening in the future, this is the second time someone scammed me, the last time, someone installed a trojan on my computer.

[] Now I can also expect to see topics in meta regarding the subject "Topics made in Scam Accusations shouldn't change boards" and strip away the rights of the OP to move their thread in that board in the archive (This is a good idea, though).

**Wrote a lot more... I Had to delete it; the thread would go off-topic if I did that.

Why should selling of reputation actually be allowed on the forum? Because, in selling of account, the individual is also selling their reputation which is something that can’t be transferred or granted a person but rather earned. If account selling should be allowed to be a thing, then it should come with some written statement, maybe as a trust rating or a warning on the account by the individuals involved in this trade to let the public know that, it’s changed hands.

$10k is huge but, you hold your reputation a lot higher than that, it speaks of your charisma.

Account sells rule is one of the most controversial rules in this forum.
"Account sells is allowed but it is not encouraged"
And till date, I haven't seen a successful account sell without a negative tag in the forum.
I mean, someone opening a thread for account sells, gets a buyer in the thread and transaction done publicly.

I am telling you the truth. The story is not coherent to understand what really happened to the account. It would have been simple if the Op said the account hacked or he sold the account long time again and it was the person that used the account for the nonsense cheating but he decided to make the whole story complicated.
The account in question has been accused of cheating and has negative flags and with that someone with his open eyes would like to buy that account? To do what? Op please restructure the thread with simple sentence structure.

No need to even try to understand what happened. The person in question is already someone who can not be trusted based on the past deed. I don't think they reformed at all and all they could be saying up there is just bullshit

If the accounts recovery team (that access to more account information than we do) hasn't found any evidence showing that the account changed hands, then neither should we stress about it

Let's just let the dead continue resting in peace  ;)