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Because there are some trolls spreading disinformation in the forum, and also playing 3D Chess, then does everyone also believe that each user's trust-rating should be shown below our names everywhere in the forum, not merely in Marketplace, Trading, and Gambling subforums?

I believe it would better help the newbies, and everyone in general, in avoiding the false-narratives and the lies of those more sophisticated trolls.

Though a plus but I believe it doesn't change much.
The boards where They are displayed are boards that needs them the most.

Trust or tag doesn't really define the quality of a person post
If you feel it's suspicious you can check the Trust of the individual.
Not that hard, Just a Button away.

This is a *discussion* forum. Not all threads are related to financial transactions, which is what trust ratings are intended to help users deal with. If someone is a risky trading partner, they are not necessarily making bad points about whether the topic of the conversation

It is perfect the way it is. Making the trust to appear on all boards is not necessary. Although, if it is done in the way that you explain above, not bad either. But you should know that this would have been what was deliberated on before making it the way it is now.

When someone is trolling and DT want to leave a feedback on his account, actually the DT should only leave a neutral feedback instead of negative feedback. Leaving negative feedback just because someone is a troll technically inappropriate.

If the forum show the trust rating, the troll will be marked with neutral feedback, which the newbie will think there's nothing bad with that user (assuming they understand the trust rating system).

We shouldn't judge people by the tag they carry unless it is transaction related, besides, most tags are inappropriate and shouldn't define a user. I think it is fine this way...

The trust rating isn't for battling trolls, It is for trading purposes and will be reflected on the appropriate boards/sub-boards. Nobody trades here on Meta, and I don't understand how displaying trust ratings across the board will prevent them from spreading misleading narratives.

One can be a dumb troll and still have a good trading history

I know some people with red tags that still give good opinions in boards like Bitcoin discussion. I think the current design is fine. We have seen some scammers try to take good advantage of the current arrangement by posting their scams in boards where trust feedback and flags don't show, but the mods do a good job to delete or move such posts when reported.

The reason I think things are the way they are is because the admins do not want members to get biased about a member's opinions in other discussions just because they have red tags, so long as they are not trying to advertise their scam in that board.

First time I'm in agreement with QuickNumber7 about anything, as far as I can recall.

It just goes to show that someone could indeed be a highly untrustworthy and duplicitous person but occasionally still make valid points.

Showing trust scores in areas focused on non-trading related matters is opening a can of worms as it could encourage people to use the trust system to punish others for wrongthink.

There's a few "predictooors" on the forum that consistently make garbage trading calls and heeding their advice could indeed be financially dangerous. But such accounts deserve neutrals at best, unless they are promoting abject scams - especially in a dishonest fashion - in which case a negative would be more appropriate.

It is not too difficult to realize trolls, and if there is only doubt about it is possible troll, you can click on that profile and check more.

Newbies can do like above, clicking on profile and check more. But they need to feel kind of trolls before checking further.

In general, I think trolls in Bitcoin forum are not too overwhelming like on Facebook or X and other social media platforms. Basically Bitcoin forum is not a social media platform, and it's helpful to reduce trolls and control trolls through Trust feedback by community users too.

I wouldn't mind if trust ratings were displayed on every board because I think scammers are using increasingly cunning methods and prefer boards where trust ratings are not displayed. Some forget that every scammer can promote their scam through an avatar, signature, personal text or web link, and that not all trades happen exclusively on boards where the trust-rating is displayed.

This is not a new proposal, there have been discussions about this several times, but nothing has changed.

Let the trolls be doing there thing and just dont jump in there game.
If they want to try to play some 3D Chess dont give them any attention , let them play with themself.

Even the Trust Rating is or was not meant for that , i would be agree that it would be a good thing to show everybody the Trust on every board.
Maybe a few would be getting more cautious about that Users when they see that there is something before they interact with some Users that have something done bad in the past and got tagged for that.

It wont help the newbies , as they or the most new Users dont know what it is all about.

I agree with this thought. Scammers have become increasingly aggressive these days, and displaying trust feedback anywhere in the forum has no downside—only benefits. So why not implement it?

I don't even know why the forum's Smf patch is made to not display trust in some boards -- honestly, I get it about signatures, but trust? Why's that?

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But, why would anyone just initiate a trade with an account without clicking on the profile atleast?.. 'em fuckheads be falling for links and personal text? I don't want to assume this to be the case of the most recent reports on a reputation board, about a very reputable member, which later proved abortive because it was all for clout.
"Has no downsides"? Hopefully, I can get to know why it was implemented as well though.

Obviously for the reasons that you can read in the previous posts - but I personally do not see why the forum would allow anyone to hide some of their bad things in a certain part of the forum, just so that someone would not develop a bad opinion about he/she. In other words, if someone is a scammer, it only matters on boards where any trading takes place, because if others saw their trust score everywhere, they might ignore them or not value their opinion.

I remember a scammer who wrote on the B&H board for years and promoted some kind of vanity address generator, he had a whole bunch of negative feedback that unfortunately no one on that board could see.

I understand why the trust rating is only shown in marketplaces (as that's where it's most relevant) though I don't see why it shouldn't be shown everywhere else in the forum. At the same time, it's not hard to click on a profile name and check their trust rating. On the contrary view, it might be fair for everyone if it's not shown in areas unrelated to the marketplace, to allow people to participate in the forum without that being a factor.

I see what you mean, misinformation is a growing problem and trust has something to do with it, however if anything, I think this is yet another validator for a demerit system. Misinformation deserves demerits, not negative trust ratings, as sometimes it can be unintentional or down to someones opinion.

You are right on your suggestion and opinion.
I could remember correctly there no place in the forum where scam or financial dealing is moderated, like anyone who is wanting to judge people by trust before involving themselves into any financially dealing are on their own. What i know people around here could do is either warned such person not to associate themselves with a scammed profile/project but doesn't mean they have special penalty over here. The only penalty is for them to get tagged for either violation of loan or scamming someone. Therefore, it is left for that person (anyone) to be very mindful while associating with any user here in the forum or even outside this as a connection to link their discussions on telegram or any other communication app aside this bitcointalk.org, hence displaying trust in every section of the forum isn't that compulsory or necessary.

Reading other members' posts can help you get more information before writing a post. Otherwise, it seems like you don't respect the opinions of others or that you simply don't read anything beyond the first post or title.

While I am neither fervently for nor against, I am against the general sentiment of the responses, i.e. I am more in favor of the OP. That the trust is not shown seems to me to be an anomaly. If it is going to be displayed let it be displayed throughout the forum. If we are going to be thin-skinned there is a lot of trust feedback that is not related to having traded. Many times when I see someone I don't know on boards where it is not shown I go to their profile to see if they have left a neutral trust regarding their behavior on the forum, or even a positive or negative one.

Although chances are that theymos won't change anything because there is no pressing need for this, and people seem to be against change.

Agreed However, having a safe space/boards where everyone, regardless of trust feedback, can have discussions without feeling inferior or being ignored is also beneficial to the forum to some extent, no?

There is a obvious reasons why we don't need to see trust rating everywhere for all members.
I don't see how this would protect newbies from anything, and they could easily see something suspicious by reading posts from other members or by visiting OP profiles.
 

I read the thread and what everyone else had to say and then gave my own opinion? What exactly was the problem with my post? We are all here in Meta not just to read each others opinions but also to give our own individual input, aren't we?

I think that everyone's trust rating should be shown everywhere, if I see them on certain boards, why shouldn't I see them on other boards? Is there any strong argument against showing a Trust rating everywhere? There isn't. I agree with those who say that it's not necessary to display trust ratings besides certain boards but it's not unnecessary either. Many users spam the forum and get red-tagged for their spamming, and many users promote scam websites or projects and get tagged for that, so it won't be bad if we see trust ratings everywhere.

I actually stated a thread on they years ago:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5293473.msg55687542#msg55687542
Went nowhere then. I know others have posted about it before and after me still went nowhere.

For some reason in certain parts of the forum we don't get to see that certain people are scammers / trolls unless we go looking for it.

theymos for whatever reason likes keeping some of the trolls / scammers around.

-Dave

The problem is that it seems you didn't read a single post before you replied, otherwise you wouldn't have written what you did. I have already written that I think this should not be the case and have presented some arguments, but there will always be those who believe that such a change would do more harm than good.

People who do bad things should not be allowed to be somehow invisible under the pretext of protecting their rights - everyone should have the right to know anywhere and anytime if they are interacting with someone who is prone to fraud or violence.

Dude, you're wrong lol. once again, I read the thread, I gave my individual opinion (as most others have) for both sides of the coin.

I personally can't believe that you've made such an effort to crop one sentence from what I said (that was similar to what you said) and then proceeded to have a cry about how I haven't read the posts above, and that I don't respect the opinions of others...For those reading this outside of you and I, here is my FULL post:


Though Lucius please do proceed to go on with this pointless and random tantrum about how one sentence of the 5-6 sentences I posted above apparently disregard the opinions of others on this forum :'( :'( :'(


Seems like grounds for a demerit/reputation system with a negative component to me.


Oh, so I suppose this is grounds for staff to remove that rating left on me by icopress, since you know, being a troll isn't applicable to trust feedback?


(I'm not even a troll btw guy just got shitty and silenced me with a neutral because I started pointing out their corrupt actions and characteristics).

I know that, but I believe that disinformation, miseducation, gaslighting, and manipulation of newbies and many people in BitcoinTalk is as dangerous as people scamming you to steal your Bitcoins. I would say that there will be situations that disinformation is most disruptive to our community. They will play 3D/4D chess and they definitely have become more sophisticated in their methods/technics.

They probably could, or are, also do Sybil Attacks in the forum to control the narrative and/or to keep Bitcoin discussion to a mere less than surface-level knowledge.

Exactly, and some folks doesn't mean to send or to spread out wrong information, they actually learnt it or got it from a wrong source that's why we are here to put them on the right path, no one was burn with the knowledge of Bitcoin Or this space.

While most time moderators do deals with the trolls, so there's no need of using the trust Rating for things like this rather for mainly things related to transaction, so that users can easily identify who to trust and who not to when it comes to transaction.

If I am a bad trader in the market or grocery shop, and I am eventually given a tag so that market and shop keepers will take note and be careful dealing with me. To be very fair on me, that tag doesn't need to follow me to the church or mosque. If not, I could be denied Holy communion. Let the tag wait for me at the entry of the grocery shop, whenever I visit there, I wear it.

Since Trust-Rating is allowed to be visible in some other boards on the forum, allowing it in every board wouldn't cause any harm as well. If it is to be allowed for the reason that OP has stated, it can help in some cases but can not help every one of them because there are still very naive people who easily buy the idea of scammers.

On the other hand, member that wants to take the advice of another member, they should think of going through the profile of that users before they believe in them. The problem some newbies have is that they are just unnecessarily lazy, because if they are not, they would not find it difficult to scan through the profile of any member they want to deal with. With this being said, I also see no much reason to make visible trust tags in all boards, unless we will have to consider the first point.

It's enough to show tags where they are valuable. What do you do with a person's tags where only their posts or creativity or expertise are valued? Tags are important in business, so showing them there is enough. I think showing trust ratings everywhere can also have a negative impact on a person's important posts, which can lead to their posts being ignored (for a newbie who doesn't have enough knowledge about trust ratings).

Some ppl post in places which don't have visible trust because they don't want others to be distracted by visible ratings. They could be telling lies or hiding truths. To stop users confusing ppl their trust ratings should show everywhere.

But if you are a scammer who takes money from people, THEN it SHOULD be following you EVERYWHERE in the FORUM. Stop debating about churches and mosques. We are talking about BitcoinTalk.

Plus that's part of the argument. I know that some negative trust-ratings are being used for something else besides the tagging of financial scammers in BitcoinTalk, BUT it's the same question through a different debate. Shouldn't negative trust-ratings be shown EVERYWHERE in BitcoinTalk for newbies and plebs like me to avoid being scammed?

Making trust ratings visible on boards that are not related to resource exchanges or business transactions doesn’t add much value. Trust is most crucial in sections where the difference between lies and truths is essential. If trust ratings were displayed everywhere, some users might dismiss valuable information simply because the poster has a poor trust rating. 

If a user is concerned about another member's credibility, they can always check their trust rating directly on their profile. Besides not all negative trust are financially related some are for other reasons like spamming etc.

Are you sure that most tags are inappropriate? If so, you can always use your DT voting power to help the trust system. It is the first time I have seen such a comment that most tags are inappropriate. I know some people who hand out tags without concrete evidence, but your comment seems general and not specific to someone, which surprised me.

Would you mind sharing more about your point of view in a different thread if you don't mind? It will help us understand why you think most tags are inappropriate. The DT members should learn what they are lacking.

I am with you on this, there's a reason why it was created and termed "trust rating," so why omit it in some sections and make it visible in others? Those new people reading the other section may not know such a thing exists. That is not thorough, as far as I'm concerned. The profile of any user should be able to speak volumes about the person to anyone seeing it from anywhere. The rating should also be able to be seen even if the person reading it is not logged in. This is important to encourage wider visibility.

Accounts with bad reps post in topics which don't show their trust because readers can't see it. They're doing it because their trust isn't openly shared unless their profile's open. I'd prefer reading posts from users which don't have bad trust for scams & spamming.