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Its hard grind ?
They say that life is fair even If people don't see that.
Even If wealthy and very successful people talking about how hard its been those with lower still got hard time to accept this because once you see someone with high success no matter they say "they had hard times" lower position people can't still belive that because they look at them on very moment and things seems to be good.
They say that in order to get more than others it requires to not follow by any public opinions and be the creator not the follower.

They say that there is rule: 50/50 universe splits all If you want "1000 units" of good you must get something like "1000 units" of bad too.  
That's why the chess board shows very well the rule of life and rule of duality and balance.
It's not smart to think that people who got 1 bil units of good never experinced same amount of BAD.
conclusion here is If you decide to get large amount of good then be ready to take equal amount of BAD too.

So higher the building the deeper you need to digg first, some people lifes so ruined so long time because they got themselfes higher goals and for them off course they have to go through bigger struggles then other ones.


Is that true ?

Everything comes with price. If you set for a higher level of your goal, then get ready to face some bigger struggles and obstacles before you will achieve your goal. There’s no instant way to success and wealth, you have to pay the price first and even experience losses and frustrations for the time being. If you quit, you lose. But if you keep on moving forward and continue to learn from your mistakes, you’ll definitely win in the end. And just like Warren Buffett said, “Price is what you pay, Value is what you get”.

if you have $100(good) but then owe $100 debt(bad) you are left at $0

fullbear has never heard of 'cumulative interest'

if you want 1000 units. you simply use 100units of your own(good) and get 10 units(10%) in return from someone else(good for you, bad for them)
next time you can use 90 units and of the 190total get 19 units totalling 209
next time you can use 80 units and of the 288total get 28 units totalling 316
next time you can use 70 units and of the 386total get 38 units totalling 424
next time you can use 60 units and of the 486total get 48 units totalling 534
next time you can use 50 units and of the 584total get 58 units totalling 642
next time you can use 40 units and of the 682total get 68 units totalling 750
next time you can use 30 units and of the 780total get 78 units totalling 858
next time you can use 20 units and of the 878total get 87 units totalling 965
next time you can use 0 units and of the 965total get 96 units totalling 1061
next time you can use 0 units and of the 1061total get 106 units totalling 1167
next time you can use 0 units and of the 1167total get 116 units totalling 1283
and so on

so you provide 540 and end up with 1061, growing to 1167, growing to 1283 and so on

heck you can then take out 100 units and still grow your accumulation
next time you can TAKE 100 units and of the 1183total get 118 units totalling 1301
next time you can TAKE 100 units and of the 1201total get 120 units totalling 1321

and thats how the wealthy do it

It depends on the goal and also the person in question because we have different kind of financial status and each status has a limit to how they would get their goal at the moment, so if they set it above their status it causes a financial setback for them, while those with a big financial status can budget for a higher goal because of the availability of the resources and certainly they would be successful. So actually the digging starts when the capacity and capabilities is not sufficient then it becomes true that higher goal is a problem, however nothing is achieved without a sad moment which is also called a difficult time, I presume that's what you meant by 1000 good and bad.

For example there is 2 type of people!
1. Going to School university and working at McDonald's besides university at the end can get good Job and good life.
2.person who think he go right to work but might end up not doing well on the long run.

Also, person who been grinding too hard might end up to finish line finally off course but broken wrecked and health totally destroyed.
I use to know someone who use to do criminal things in his whole life time ....finally he got status like mobster , everybody was so envy about his status.....but at the end he die from the Young age because of bad health all this years he been shooting others and get shot fights and living in prisons over 10 years bad food and other issues YES finally he gets there what he wanted nice mansion even sport cars like lambo Ferrari and nicest wife you can imagine but then suddenly he dies...from the stomack cancer even tho....he been eating recently heatly and working out so visually looking like was in good shape was just 50 years old and finally found peacful life and got all the wealth he had dreamed! - so we humans not robots question is how much we can take it to get there where we want.

Looks little consfused, so i how to transalte this into real life actions with some example of life ?
How does one takes that 100 units or whatever and at the end will return this to Ferrari or mansion or something else?
And how we know how many units we got ? By your theory

If you grind hard and long i might just choose the SHORT CUT....but what is the shortcut....lottery winning? But then again If you never learned and grinding hard you might just use money you won for wrong ways and lose it.
Once someone told me....i was asking....wow you are so rich he told me "belive me you don't want that " then i said what you mean i don't ....you got all the nice things and you don't work even 9-5 Job how can you say that you don't want that lol.

because your topic is about wealth.. not happiness via karma(good and bad)
to translate... units=money

wealthy people invest
you however think wealth is earned by good or bad karma..
sorry but no.. wealthy people invest money and get money in return(interest)

im not sure why you think karma(good bad) = wealth

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also what you learn about wealth and cumulative growth, is that you dont have to continually grind forever
as the example i showed before. each attempt requires less effort(grind), to a point that you no longer need to put in anything and instead can start taking out an amount and still gain.. so wealth is not a constant grind if you invest and do it cumulatively

Success comes with sacrifice and being ready to pay the price attain it. Some got to the top through bad routes and some people were patient and dedicated enough to stick to following the honest way. But before making money or becoming successful through dubious means you must remember that karma is real and it can come back for you at any time. There's nothing more important than maintaining your integrity. A lot of people believe that if they don't get their hands dirty they won't succeed, this is absolutely false. There are people that still become successful legitimately, it's all about consistency and patience.

i guess what you are saying is that you should not expect to succeed without failing first at that is right there is no easy way towards success you are going to have to work hard and you will definitely fail at times but it doesn’t mean it should end there if you want success be prepared to fail

Half of your post is rambling about karma but doesn't quite make sense. I'd like to think that something like karma exists, except it is more along the lines of "treat people how you would like to be treated". I personally will treat everyone with the same amount of respect, whether they are a toilet cleaner or the CEO of a company, that is just good manners. The same with lying, you should avoid it to the utmost, because it will lead you down some very bad paths if you normalize that behavior. Back to the main point though, which is - not every rich person worked hard for it, some inherited it, some got lucky purchasing an asset that exploded in value but generally they were doing something and keeping their eyes open for opportunities to leap on.

You have just summarized everything by your reply. Success comes with lots of sacrifice and those that endure it to the end will have story to tell. It is said that " a journey of a thousand miles begins with a step" and this step includes life challenges like loss, disappointment, failure, setback and so many challenges of life. But we must grab it with faith and victory will be achieved. " Aluta continua Victoria accerta" meaning struggling continues till victory is achieved.

One thing I've learnt is that it's not really about working hard to be successful but it's all about what you do with the little that comes from your hard work.
Our problems sometimes is trying to impress people with living beyond our means while we could invest all that money we use to try to live comfortably at a level where we can live uncomfortable and produce something that could give use double of what we want to live like at some point.

It's the real deal with the rich, they live below what they can afford and put all that they have left into what will bring interest even though the interest is not really big but at least it should be consistent rather than big and short that's just the logic and that's what people might seem to educate with but in different methods.

That should be a mistake anyone can make, but you can escape from debt if the person think widely, the one hundred dollar at hand you can invest it to short term invest and check if with profits you can clear your debts, but a process whereby you fail to channel the $100 to a place it will yield a little profit that means your are debtor, which the debt can be a future debts because the person doesn't have hope to repay.

here is the thing though
although investment accrues profit, so does debt. and usually the debt interest is higher than investment interest(in tradfi investments)

trying to use just $100 to invest on its own. and hoping that the separate $100 debt+interest doesnt come due before your $100 investment becomes $300 to then pay off the debt($100) plus the accrued debt interest($100) is also a bad plan

most debt comes due alot sooner than you can accumulate fiat investment profits to pay it off plus the interest and still have funds left
your best bet is to try not to be in debt in the first place. (avoid the bad)

much like investment comes with the need for patience and the determination to not cash out to soon, to give investment time to accumulate, you should also use such patience to not want products immediately to use credit to get items now. instead learn to plan ahead and only buy what you can afford.

again a lesson is not to invest $100 and get in debt by $100 to balance your karma.. but instead just dont get into $100 debt.. stay positive is better then stay balance (good and bad)

Yes, bro, that's right, no one is successful without going through any obstacles, the bigger the obstacles we miss, the bigger our sacrifices will be to achieve success, because we have to pursue success with enthusiasm, success doesn't come to people who are lazy, success comes to people who keep trying as hard as they can, failure is not something we want to achieve but failure is part of our achievement towards success, so never give up when we fail to get to the point where success is waiting, the more we fail the stronger we are in achieving it all.

To most people success comes by going through bad times, struggle and working hard. A few are born with generational wealth too.

So the grind is there, more in the developing countries compared to developed countries. Along with this the ability to think out of the box and creativity with proper acquisition of skills makes the person stand out.

However for most people it is just a matter of how determined and hard working they are.

Indeed, "heavy lies the head that wears the crown". And for sure, some people are born into treasure but it doesn't mean they don't have struggles in other areas of life, maybe having a healthy relationship. Because life, has a way of balancing itself.

If I'm born into a poor family and I need to walk my way up to success in life, I'm going to cross a lot of seas and meet a lot of battles. That's my struggle. Then, if you're born into a rich family, there's a possibility you might have to struggle to either find a healthy relationship or struggle for something you want in life that is outside of wealth.

So, yes the higher you aim, the bigger your battles will be. You won't compare the battle of someone contesting for president to the better of someone contesting for House of Assembly or something. Bigger goals, bigger dreams, bigger hurdles too.

I would say that getting rich is not the subject of great hard grind or anything when it comes to how you do it, it's more about how there are other people who grind more than many wealthy people and never reach there.

So we can say that hard work isn't the key here, just because you work hard, doesn't mean that you are going to end up rich. Just because you are grinding, doesn't mean that you are going to be wealthy, that doesn't guarantee anything at all. Sure, all the rich people grind hard, but that is not all they do, they take risks and put themselves in risk, sometimes as much as near bankruptcy, and that's how they get there, with innovative and forward thinking that brings them success when they grind hard to provide something new.

I believe that cases are different and circumstances are different. Apart from your actual effort you're putting into what you're doing, there are factors like your social background (and that directly affects the kind of upbringing and education you received), and luck (which country you happened to be born in and what happens there throughout your life; which people you happen to come across and connect with; which job opportunities you happen to get).
I work hard and I am doing well. But I am sure that there are other people working hard who weren't as lucky as myself in getting certain opportunities, as well as others who probably never had to go through the hardships I've had and reached a similar economic level with way less effort.

Yes, Establishment of wealth is not easy for all person because person has to do sacrifices and after he becomes a successful person. Every person of the World want to be rich amd want to get good status in life but that is not an easy task because you have to face many bad days and you have to face failures then you become a successful person. Always ready for every kind of situation because it will make you more strong in further tough circumstances. Money earning is based on mind and always rich people have different mindset from poor people.There are thousands of people who are not rich , they have fear of failure but for the money making you have to be fearless.

Though it may sound deep, the rule you mentioned can actually simplify things too much. Having great wealth does not ensure that person carried an equal load of suffering; hard grind does not guarantee great riches. Many factors shape results in a broken system: early surroundings, social capital, accidental encounters

Does the grind matter if your environment is rigged? Making it big takes crazy time and effort, and occasionally people break their spirit in the process. They crash totally or lift themselves up. The upper-tier might simply say, "I worked so hard," without noting the safety nets nobody else had

Is the pursuit itself the satisfaction, or is it the result? That's where your concept of "50/50" can become skewed. Believing everything balances out at the end gives comfort, but there is no global scoreboard tracking good and bad. People need to face reality: massive goals can mean massive setbacks, but the relationship is rarely neat or fair. Some manage it, some not; the result depends on more than just will-power

That is true, there are times that you will question yourself if you are lucky or not with what you are doing. But just think of the fact that if you will give up, you would suffer consequences that you may regret later on. As long as you can do it and thrive, you wil continue to survive in this life.
A lot of wealthy people came from hardships and they just strive for themselves to achieve what they have now. They surely have their own stories to tell, to inspire others and be a testament that hard work can pay off if you won't give up.

it is a proverb that is clearly true, of course by understanding its meaning it can clearly be concluded that everything you want must certainly go through various obstacles that will be faced and of course difficult times continue to shadow , but with strong determination, everything will be achieved with such a struggle, because all desires and achievements will not be free from the hardships that will be faced.

Success rarely comes easily, except for a lucky few. For most people, it takes hard work and perseverance. Don't give up if you fail. Many successful people faced multiple setbacks before achieving their goals. Remember, success is often the result of learning from failures and trying again.

Investing $100 in a short time cannot make you much, there is nothing like quick fast money anywhere and the advise you are giving OP is really not ideal because he might falling victim to scam as a result of looking for an investment that will bring quick profits and so might be deceived easily. Before a person should take a loan or borrow money they should have a way of paying back or at least have a plan to pay back and not rely on making profits out of the money to pay back the loan.

I think that sometimes even a small goal can require a great effort too. I know this is annoying but I think this shapes us well and when we up our goals, it may now be easier for us to face the obstacles here. Paying the price and experience losses, sounds the same already. Both implies money but apart from money, they can also mean others like struggles, loss in relationships. etc... It's hard but we might experience them in our journey.

It is hard but it is needed for us to achieved our goals. Quitting may not make us lose, especially if we are just getting started but we won't only experience an improvement in our lives/selves. We can regret it and we might try again later on.

There's no good times without having a bad time first. If you just wake up to good time then start preparing for the bad times so incase when it comes, it wouldn't take you unaware and you'll be very prepared to handle whatever the universe has to throw at you. Not all great wealth came through great grinding because some came through inheritances and they can stay for years irrespective of how you choose to mismanaged the wealth given to you but that's not what you're supposed to do though.


Take a look at the market, before Bitcoin increase, it has to correct first then build up mentum from that corrections to increase. You have to be ready to fall and build yourself from the ground to reach new heights, don't be afraid of falling but also know that, not everyone has the same path to success. You mustn't follow the crowd too and still you can become wealthy.

The challenges faced by someone on the way to success are certainly natural for anyone and those who can get through that period can achieve real success but there are also some people who give up on the grounds that they are very tired of the process they feel so that they do not produce anything from the efforts they make and for some people who remain enthusiastic in facing it will certainly be able to achieve the success they want and all of that can be achieved through hard work and patience that they do.

In fact, the lowest point is what we are waiting for the most and it could be the end of the journey and start to rise slowly. just like the market sometimes many of them have to exit the market when the price is lowest on the grounds that they can no longer stand to see the asset estimate decreasing and reducing the loss more severely. This is where our patience is really tested as far as we can survive.

It's really hard for some people to go through the process of getting success  cause even the rich today find themselves in this stage but it takes hardwork, consistency, dedication to get to the very point they are in now so everyone will surely go through the stage of hard times inorder to get that success or great wealth they desire. Moreso you can't be a creator if you weren't a follower, because being a follower of a creator opens you to understand the hidden things of how you can be in that position someday but despite that i understand that the deeper you dig the higher you go.

Obviously there is not, there are tons of people who inherited a ton of money from their parents to get rich, and some just took money from their rich parents as well. For example, everyone's beloved Trump, had a quite rich father, who left him a ton of money, and Trump bankrupted most of that, but as the old saying goes "if you have a thousand dollars debt to the bank, you have a problem, but if you have a million dollars debt to the bank, the bank has a problem" and trump just used that to get more and more to get out.

Eventually, he just realized he doesn't have to, and kept on living on borrowed money, until presidency, now I am sure he probably covered every debt he had, and I am sure he is going to use this trump coin money even more.

IMO, lottery winning is not a shortcut because it's hard to scale through if you will get a one hundred cent winning or not. Shortcuts comes with different prices even though you didn't pay them that moment, you will never miss it cause one day you will and it might hit you so hard in a way you didn't expected it. That's why you must be ready to encounter any challenges if you follow the shortcut and become successful. Have come to understand that there's always a purpose why one must follow due process to become successful, so must wait and not be in haste. Make sure to do the right thing, it's not must everyone would be in a PJ (private jet), don't also forget all fingers not equal. So long you are comfortable and have more than a million in you account and everything is going fine just be contented (unless you are greedy).

well, life is not linear in the way things happen and when you generally look at the different type of rich people and individual that have managed to push themselves to the top, the pattern of the experiences they encountered on their journeying to the top is never the same. some might be fortunate to find themselves on a smooth ride to the top without necessarily having a lot of setbacks, others on the other hand might have a lot of ups and downs and still struggle to push themselves to the top in the midst of the several difficulties.

it is good to while expecting the best have a clear understanding that the worse or bad experiences can also happen but it is also good to understand that with proper planning, it is possible to get to the top without hitting a lot of downs. until you have grind to the point where the things you have built and set up can sustain you such that you don't always have to work everyday of your life, never stop grinding.

Setting a goal itself isn't always easy, not for everyone. There are plenty of people who are 40+ years old and still do not know what they want from life, some eventually just give up and just let the world take them wherever. So, setting a goal isn't easy, some kids set their goal at age 10 or earlier, and they know what they want to do, some do it in college, some later.

Whenever you have a set goal, you just tell yourself "from this moment forward, whatever I want to do in life, should be in service of that" and that is the way it moves further, if you can do this then you could do a lot better. I personally do not have a goal in life too, I am old now, well nearly old, and had a million different goals, it changes, and I am fine with that.

This is true, but financial goal should be easy instead of having a big life goal. Just make sure that you can calculate the inflation well enough, and you should be fine. Like for example, a million dollars is good enough in most parts of the world as a goal, doesn't mean it would be "enough", in some places that is a lot, in some places it is just alright, and even in some places it is not enough but I am not talking about those.

For example where I live, I could buy a house for 300k, and put the 700k in some bond, or anything that is low risk, or even put it at bitcoin to be fair. Then, I will not have to work again, so that is a goal, "have 1 million dollars", doesn't mean you will reach it, just means you know what you need to do.

Life is only fair in that we all die in the end. The process? Fairness be damned lol. And yeah, most people who end up being successful and started from the bottom are people who created. Who lead. They can be counted in fingers recently though since most of those who are at the top now are there simply because of family. And the process just loops from there over and over. Can have one or two rare instances but like hell that holds up to millions of people in the lower end of the world.

Not that it makes sense arguing about it in the first place. I mean the only people who can change stuff like that would probably amount to only a really small number of us. Even if there was a change, at the end of the day it's only a change in the person at the top and not the situation itself.

There's no easy path to wealth, especially during the nursery stage when you are still trying to grow the business, the investment or trying to save up, when you don't give it enough energy or smart moves, you could possibly be moving in circle and might not be able to go off from that stage, you might get tired there and give up but if you are grinding correctly with the available and correct resources, you will move past the nursery stage to the primary stage which can be less difficult from the initial, but if you don't still handle well, you can not go to the third stage where you become more stable and more smart on getting into more passive income source that you don't have to grind tirelessly.

alot of people think they need to feel equal pain start to finish to achieve goals
alot of people think the grind is equal start to finish.
for instance of the 'grind':
if they are putting in 1 effort and wanting to reach 100 effort they feel that each attempt is just 1 and each attempt is equal effort as the last. where it will take them the full 100 attempts to get to 100 effort

however when you learn about accumulation and compound interest and cumulative gains you soon learn that
1 becomes 1.1 that turn.
1+1.1 cumulatively is 2.1 and becomes 2.31 with compound interest/gains (0.21) that turn
1+2.31=3.31 becomes 3.541
1+3.541=4.541 becomes 3.9951
so within just 4 attempts using 4 effort, you have acheived the effort of nearly 5, thus things get easier or targets get closer

you also dont need to take out equal debt(topic good:bad) to how much you invest to find some cosmic balance or to ensure gains. you just need to realise how to perform in a cumulative way

Reality is that nobody will give you a shortcut, you will have to work hard unless you come from a rich family. There are many people I have seen that live a rich life, all because their family was rich, and gave all their money to them, some are old enough that they inherited because unfortunately parents passed away, but they didn't have to work a single day for someone else. They still do "work" in the sense that they have to keep the company running, but almost all of them hire someone to run the company as a manager, so owners do not really handle day to day, only go to see if anything is wrong at times.

As long as we have that kind of people, we can't say that wealth is all because of hard grind, it could be parents money for some people.

The hardest part about wealth is that the people who are all wealthy, do not want you among them until you join them. After you join them, they will welcome you and will try to make sure that you stay with them, and act as if they are your friends, because wealth loves wealth and that means if you guys stick together then it would be hard to make you go down.

However, until that point is reached, wealth makes sure that the poor are hit harder than the wealthy. That is the reason why the whole "you can't tax a company too much, or else they will leave" argument started over, these companies (which are owned by the wealthy) avoid taxes, and pay very little, so that they will stay, if you make them pay their fair share like the poor do, then they will leave and put their company in some other nation that allows them to avoid taxes.

it's something that keeps happening that working hard is a choice that must be made, it's hard for us to get a shortcut to the expected wealth, in reality the shortcut is just an imagination of the mind that is difficult to achieve, and generally inheritance is what helps them a lot in terms of wealth because they just have to pass it on and that's what happens most of the time, making them not work too hard.

For the fact that people keep saying that we shouldn't follow public opinion doesn't mean that it should be done in all aspects of life, there are some aspect that requires public opinion. why in some aspect public opinion can not be considered necessary, And when applying public opinion in whatever thing you're doing always make sure that you're taking the right opinion. because most of the opinion we get from the Public can be very misleading.

However, dreaming big is not actually a problem but for one to be able to achieve those dreams is where the problem is. in life there's no shortcut to success, before you can become a wealthy person in life you will have to undergo so many things.

If we look at the reality of inheritance in the form of property that has value only exists in rich people, while poor people only inherit motivation and theories that have not been achieved because they do not have property that has high value in their lives. This means that not everyone can get an inheritance in the form of property so that most people still have to work hard to achieve the wealth they want in their lives. Because without that, of course they will continue to be poor like their parents and they become successors who are not much different from their own parents.

It is either some one has already pay the price towards whatever that has been achieved or you did it yourself, successful has no short cut there must be a sacrifices to be made, some time we look that has made in life without considering how much they must gone with over the years before getting that stage, if someone has not pay such prices for you before where born just like most celebrities children then it will be wrong to discourage the days of your little beginnings and some times wealth not worked for can be mismanaged.

Well said. Working hard is like a loop you will always see yourself rotating on that same axis for a long time. Any day that person chooses to displace himself from that loop then he is free. What I have come to realize is that those that are stuck in the loop of working forever let themselves be in that situation because they are afraid, they won't find something better to do. So how will they feed themselves and their family and perhaps take full responsibility for everything laid in their care? But that is their cross to bear.

Always living below your standard no matter the financial level you are will allow you to grow. These days people mistake having a financial opportunity to be rich as being rich. To be rich takes time, which means you must have an intent income, passive income, and portfolio income. Only then should anyone classify himself to be rich.

If we decide to study the life of the most successful people in the world today you will find out that they were smart and courageous enough to take some actions which guys who work harder and play safe never tries and this single attribute changes everything about the game towards success.

The believe it fear of losing what you think you have have left many to remain in the state of only desiring wealth work 9-5 jobs and increasing their work hours without thinking outside the box and that exactly a trap, they say give a worker enough salary and he will never find his purpose and exactly how it works here once properly find what is called suffering in my dictionary but could comfortable job in the world they do not longer want to find their purposes in life.

Once a worker or hard worker find his or her purpose there are always unstoppable and even though it might cost them a little bitcoin pain in a short time success is inevitable at that point and living with less care of what anyone would think of you would of course change the game for one.

Yeah, The idea that life has this balance of good and bad experiences is something i have noticed resonates with a lot of people. When you see someone who is successful, it can be hard to believe that they ever faced any sort of struggles along the way, especially when their current situation looks so good.
Emphasizing that for every achievement or positive outcome, there’s often a corresponding challenge or setback.

Setting high goals can lead to greater struggles. The deeper you dig to build a higher structure, the more effort and resilience it often requires. Everyone’s journey is a unique one, and the challenges faced is just as significant as the successes achieved. At the end of the day, it's all about understanding that the path to success usually involves navigating through difficulties. So being prepared for that duality can help people approach their goals with a more realistic mindset.