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I want this discussion to take place in every local language board, which seems untouched by AI detectors. If you are a native speaker, please look for AI spamming and report them as well.   

To me the debate should focus on how to legitimately use AI in this forum so that it doesn't remain a cave of Australopithecus while the world moves forward but that doesn't seem to be on the table.

Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

The most valuable? Far from it. And it sounds a lot like ass licking to me. Sure this post has nothing to do with nutildah distrusting you?

Distrusting! What?
You can check my profile there is no negative feedback from him towards me. I am not getting it. Why do you seem so offended? (if you are ;D)

EDIT: You can check my contribution on the thread if this still feels ass-licking to you, it is up to you. I will not make any personal comments. If you are referring to my last trust feedback, it is my genuine one, not ass-licking.

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There is no negative tag from him on your profile, but he added you to his distrust list, you can see it here:
https://loyce.club/trust/2025-02-08_Sat_04.28h/3629575.html

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The most valuable? Far from it. And it sounds a lot like ass licking to me. Sure this post has nothing to do with nutildah distrusting you?

While you and many worry about how to ban the use of AI, AI is already bringing about a revolution like the internet in the world out there.

To me the debate should focus on how to legitimately use AI in this forum so that it doesn't remain a cave of Australopithecus while the world moves forward but that doesn't seem to be on the table.

But ops have failed to intellectually make a constructive argument on why he thinks the report AI thread is the valuable thread around the forum and from his mentioning of the thread started separately in his comments makes the whole boots leaking thing very clear.

While you and many worry about how to ban the use of AI, AI is already bringing about a revolution like the internet in the world out there.

To me the debate should focus on how to legitimately use AI in this forum so that it doesn't remain a cave of Australopithecus while the world moves forward but that doesn't seem to be on the table.

IMO, nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618)'s thread, AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0) is the most valuable thread as of now for the future of this wonderful forum.

AI spamming is now becoming too difficult to distinguish from human caliber.

This is a great suggestion, as that list is not only an incredible source of inspiration on how to write good threads, but also an invaluable time-sink, where you can discover so much and learn directly from the greatest users of this forum.

Re: Most valuable thread for this forum's future.

Sure this post has nothing to do with nutildah distrusting you?

To me the debate should focus on how to legitimately use AI in this forum so that it doesn't remain a cave of Australopithecus while the world moves forward but that doesn't seem to be on the table.

Ok, now I am getting (50-60%), why he thinks that I am licking ass ;D.
So, nutildah and icopress distrust me and mv1986, charles-Tim and DaveF trust me...

Its not his fault as he doesn't even have a trust list. I'm just not a fan of accounts less than a year old being on DT. It should take much longer for one to prove themselves and their intentions than that. Not his fault he was added to DT2, though.

I use AI "legitimately" all the time, and even get merits for it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg65039606#msg65039606). There's no need for debate: just give AI credit where its due so as not to misrepresent yourself and your abilities. Really doesn't seem like too much to ask, IMHO.

Its not his fault as he doesn't even have a trust list. I'm just not a fan of accounts less than a year old being on DT. It should take much longer for one to prove themselves and their intentions than that. Not his fault he was added to DT2, though.

just give AI credit where its due so as not to misrepresent yourself and your abilities.

not that I am absolutely claiming that you are licking his ass because he distrust you. But yes, feedback is one thing and trust lists are another.
Whether it's because of that or not it still sounds the same to me.

In fact I have reviewed his feedback (they are "aggressive", my style)

Being against AI today is like being against the internet in 2000 or being against bitcoin in 2015. And this forum was born on the internet and for bitcoin.

I guess we have a similar stance but from different points of view.

Are you seeing BTT being taken over by AI in few years ?

If you reread my answer to you, I said that I am not even aware of why you are accusing me of ass-licking. Then, as I got informed of a whole another layer of trust system, I tried to understand your position, and again you are blaming me that I have implied that, No, I said ' Now, I am getting why he is thinking so.

What are you talking about? It seems you are not even aware of the microscopic details we care about when we tag someone for AI abuse. Please have a look at the thread. I know it needs serious brainstorming but you will find our approach towards AI there.

I want to know, what exactly are your objections about the thread?

The most valuable? Far from it.

YES, This is my fear.

IMO, nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618)'s thread, AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0) is the most valuable thread as of now for the future of this wonderful forum. AI spamming is now becoming too difficult to distinguish from human caliber. Gone are the days when you can differentiate easily between an AI post and a human post by just reading and comprehending the post. I am highly confident that a lot of users are posting humanized text directly from AI and honestly, it is very difficult to stop this.
Many of you think that we are very aggressive in our approach to tagging AI spammers, but believe me, it is very much the need of the hour and if we do not guard the gates, this infection can cause severe damage to this healthy forum.
I am not against AI but against those who mindlessly post AI garbage which is very dangerous to consume.  
If you are a qualified person who can help us by making/suggesting AI detectors better or want to contribute to our fight against AI spamming please visit the thread. I see that in the near future, we will be in need of serious brainstorming there which will eventually decide what will be the nature of the relationship between AI and this wonderful forum.

Edit: Oh I forgot the most important part, why I felt the need to make a separate thread (human error ;D).
I want this discussion to take place in every local language board, which seems untouched by AI detectors. If you are a native speaker, please look for AI spamming and report them as well.   

Well just know that your days are numbered here in this community and I have already found a loop hole in your account and am just waiting patiently to pounce so better watch your back and in no time your truth will be out.

Claiming to fight Ai post ?🙄🙄 No one likes a busy body claiming to be a nice guy and I would not be surprised if you are an alt account in the end of everything. Again watch your steps, a friendly reminder.😎😎.

Use your real account, James Bond.  ::)

I simply asked publicly if the distrust would have something to do with this thread and on the latter comment I repeated that regardless of your knowledge of the trust system the thread still sounds the same to me.

If you want it any other way I see it as unnecessary praise of nutildah's thread.

You seriously expect to convince someone that tagging people for using AI when all they do is copy what the AI says without quoting it is anything special? I do it myself and it has nothing of magical microscopic detail.

Being against AI today is like being against the internet in 2000 or being against bitcoin in 2015. And this forum was born on the internet and for bitcoin.

what you ask I made it clear in my first comment:

While you and many worry about how to ban the use of AI, AI is already bringing about a revolution like the internet in the world out there.
To me the debate should focus on how to legitimately use AI in this forum so that it doesn't remain a cave of Australopithecus while the world moves forward but that doesn't seem to be on the table.

So my objection is that your main thesis, the one you put in the title, is false,

Are you afraid of AI in medicine? If it scares you in a forum it should scare you even more in health matters, and for some years now doctors have been using AI to suggest possible diagnoses or patterns when you explain the symptoms and write them in the computer. Although the final decision is up to them.

I am not against AI but against those who mindlessly post AI garbage which is very dangerous to consume.

I would not be surprised if you are an alt account in the end of everything

It might not be the most valuable thread, but it is undoubtedly very useful. I often come across posts from users that are obvious AI-generated crap, and sometimes, when you report such posts, the reports go unhandled, so it's good to have a thread where you can report such posts and the users so that they get at least a neutral tag for being AI spammers if not much. :)


Use your real account, James Bond.  ::)

Most of the time, seasoned AI spammers are using humanizers and intentional errors, which is why you need to look at microscopic details, which means attention to small changes/things, not just copy-pasting them on AI detectors.

... but now I think you accused me of manipulating the trust system, which I think is not fair.

I am glad that you reviewed your tone. You can think whatever you want, but when you accuse someone, a little more responsible explanation is expected from a wise and reputed member like you.

Think again.

by insisting on analyzing every word I say as if this were a battle you or I had to win. Do you know that when in a forum like this one two people engage in a long discussion with long arguments, normally no one else pays attention to the discussion?

The bullshit you say about me supposedly using strawman arguments I'm not even going to comment on them because of how bullshit they are.

Here the issue is that you have opened a thread with the main thesis that nutildah's thread is the best one for the next few years and you haven't convinced us I don't think anyone, including nutildah himself for different reasons.

You, OP, cannot force everyone..

No need to force anyone.

The most valuable? Far from it. And it sounds a lot like ass licking to me. Sure this post has nothing to do with nutildah distrusting you?

Its not his fault as he doesn't even have a trust list. I'm just not a fan of accounts less than a year old being on DT. It should take much longer for one to prove themselves and their intentions than that. Not his fault he was added to DT2, though.

Fighting AI posts today is like tilting at windmills.

I rather see it as the scribes protesting against the printing press and destroying it in some cases, or the Wapping dispute and many other historical examples.

Again, straw-manning at its best.

The day you realize that both his comment and mine are general comments and not a supposed rebuttal to your thread you will stop seeing so many straw man arguments.

You're getting a straw face.

And yes  I am having a straw face, because of bumping into so many strawman.  ;D

If I were you I would ask theymos for a name change to strawhunter.