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The true identity of Satoshi Nakamo is a mystery that some has tried to unravel in the past and failed. But here's a new one. I came across this tweet (https://x.com/financeguy74/status/1890850549035110558?t=AgtdtDexZZ022esNRyzFLQ&s=19) by Sean Murray on X where he made an interesting theory linking Jack Dorsey to Satoshi Nakamoto. Would like to know what you guys think.

"Jack Dorsey was:

• 1 of ~1,300 confirmed cypherpunks in 1996 (his UMR email).
• Wore an Adam Back t-shirt in the UMR yearbook. UMR students were called Miners.
• Was a CompSci & Math major with an interest in crypto.
• Member of ACM in 1997 to at least 1999.
• Created academic research paper submission & review software for Mira Digital Publishing.
• Known to use: OpenBSD, Windows, Mac, Linux.
• Confirmed to code in: C, Python, Java, Perl, PHP, OCaml, JoCaml, Lisp, ObjC and more.
• Still on the cypherpunk mailing list in 2000 under his dnet .com email.
• Wrote a manifesto about making a mark without leaving a trace in 2001.
• Subscriber to cryptome .org in 2001.
• Made a blog post where he jokingly says he is working on a network for drug traffickers.
• Posted a bio in 2003 that says he is into crypto, pseudonyms, 4am hacks, and more.
• Posted in 2003 that he is ending his dependence on the US dollar and creating a barter network.
• Referred to himself as Jak instead of Jack. Jak was his pseudonym.
• Jack, who was a sailor, tweeted on 8/17/08: Around the horn and home again, for that's the sailor's way". Bitcoin .org was registered the next day.
• Jack's twitter profile from Sept '07 - Jan '09 said he was a sailor.
• The original Bitcoin source code included an old sailor's adage. "Never go to sea with two chronometers; take one or three".
• The original Bitcoin source code documents are all timestamped as being created at exactly 4AM, just like Jack's bio.
• The original Bitcoin source code documents contain a brute forced example vanity bitcoin address that starts with NS17 (Nakamoto Satoshi 1/7 ). The documents were created 1/7/09.
• Satoshi accidentally logged into IRC on 1/10/09 using a real IP, revealing he was in California (where Jack was).
• The first bitcoin transaction took place on Jack's mom's birthday (1/11/09).
• Satoshi joined the bitcoin forum on Jack's birthday (11/19).
• Satoshi's last mined block was on Jack's dad's birthday (5/3/10).
• Satoshi told Hal in an email about vanity bitcoin addresses and showed him a SECOND one beginning with NS.
• Jack sends bitcoin to 4 addresses after Hal, including one that has jD2m in the middle. Jack lived at 2 Mint Plaza in San Francisco. Jack Dorsey 2 Mint (jD2m).
• Satoshi tells Martti Malmi that he is really busy with work. Jack was busy launching his next startup, Square (now Block).
• Satoshi tells people on the forum not to donate Bitcoins to Wikileaks on 12/5/10.
• Twitter is hit with a secret court order with a gag requirement to turn over everything it has about Wikileaks on 12/14/10.
• Satoshi stopped logging into the forum on 12/13/10 and never returned.
• Jack is made Executive Chairman of Twitter while remaining CEO of Square on 3/28/11 and he tweets that he is very busy with both.
• Satoshi sends his last email on 4/23/11.
• Twitter's tech lead suggests that Twitter might integrate bitcoin payments on 5/23/11.
• Jack Dorsey calls Bitcoin an Amazing Movement in September 2012 and said that Square would accept it if it became huge and accepted.
• Jack's best friend Alyssa Milano writes a novel (Hacktivist) in the Summer of 2013 about Jack, in which she places him as living a double life behind a famous pseudonym.
• Square announces Bitcoin acceptance on 3/31/14.
• Satoshi's gmx email is hacked on 9/8/14 and the hacker attempts to extort Satoshi by sharing that he knows about his connection to St. Louis, Missouri. Jack is from St. Louis.
• Alyssa Milano writes a 2nd novel about Jack (Hacktivist). In this one, Jack's famous pseudonym is hijacked and his software developed in a way that was not intended. The hijacker has a logo that looks almost exactly like Gavin Andresen's Bitcoin Faucet logo. It was released in installments with the first one going out on 7/29/15.
• Two weeks later on 8/15/15, Satoshi reappears on the bitcoin mailing list to address the bitcoin block size debates. People are shocked about Satoshi's return and some doubt it is really him but could not disprove it.
• On 10/15/15, Jack is made permanent CEO of Twitter, officially making him CEO of two companies.
• The last installment of Milano's novel about Jack is published, in which its ends by him returning as head to his social network.
• Square publishes a children's book in January 2018 to explain the "Legend of Satoshi Nakamoto" in which it makes its Satoshi character look like Jack.
• On 4/20/20 Lex Fridman asks Jack if he is Satoshi, to which Jack tells him that he wouldn't admit it to him if he was. This is in contrast to Nick Szabo, Adam Back, and Hal Finney all saying explicitly that they were not Satoshi.
• On 5/25/20 - 145 very old bitcoin addresses signed a message stating that Craig Wright was not Satoshi and that he was a liar and a fraud. The oldest bitcoin address that signed the message started with 1jak (Jack's old pseudonym) and the oldest that signed it contained HiSQ in the middle. SQ is the ticker for his company Square.
• In February of 2022 Jack starts wearing a Satoshi shirt, first on a Michael Saylor podcast and then at the Super Bowl.
• On 10/27/23, Jack said at a conference that "Bitcoin and Satoshi in 2009 was a combination of my childhood and my curiosity and everything that I aspired to be and everything I loved."
• Craig Wright's attorneys argue in early 2024 that if Craig Wright was not Satoshi "then the real Satoshi would have been expected to come forward to counter the claim." It did not dawn on them that the person countering the claim was Jack Dorsey, who was the basis for the COPA v Wright legal challenge to begin with. Jack Dorsey came forward to counter the claim.
• On 7/21/24 Jack wrote on Nostr, "I frequently imagine Satoshi sitting back somewhere and laughing at it all."
• On 8/28/24 Jack went on Nostr and thanked Hal Finney (now deceased) for his help.
• Jack parades himself around in a Satoshi shirt".

Source: https://x.com/financeguy74/status/1890850549035110558?t=AgtdtDexZZ022esNRyzFLQ&s=19

Nice connections and all
He could be or may not be satoshi
But it means nothing if he can't  sign a message from Satoshi's wallet address.
At least this is better than Craig's that comes out parading that he's satoshi.

Even if Jack is the one, I guess he would deny it.
I just picture in my mind Satoshi is dead and if he is alive how many people really knows who they are

Aside from the list, there's no strong evidence to show that he is Satoshi.

Satoshi is a cryptography guy, Twitter was founded wayback 2006 without adding cryptography related to Twitter on its early days. Also, Satoshi is basically a C++ programmer, whereas Dorsey is not, or no publicly available info that he knows C++.

No. Since Satoshi was so good in hiding his tracks, why would be give this kind of clues?
Plus, as said, while Satoshi was a C++ dev, Jack is (most probably) not.

I don't know why people keep coming with wild ideas about who Satoshi is. Give the man his peace. If he would ever want to come to light, he knows what to do.

I'd add one can use Windows and not be familiar enough with it to code in C++.  Anything is possible of course, but hindsight can find connections that may (or may not) be relevant.  :-)

IMHO, he ain't the one.  Satoshi, if you ask me, was a team.  A team that Dorsey wasn't on.  He's one of the good guys, but he wasn't involved.  Just my two cents.

With several attempts that hasn't been verified with numerous whistleblowers in claim of unveiling Satoshi Nakamoto publicly all these while should had been enough for us to just forget this digging of who really Satoshi is and just hit the mattress before after all claims being researched we still sit upon not getting convinced that it's true.

Even if Satoshi is alive, seeing all claims will only have to send him back into hiding.

Satoshi there and everywhere, who to call the real Satoshi, since i have been here thread upon threads has been created on who is Satoshi with several proofs as claim.

Too bad for Jack Dorsey, as the responses below mine says their knowledges differs which makes it hard to believe he is Satoshi, that makes the whole listed 30+ points outlined all rendered invalid to the claim.

These are strong connections for sure but it still left so much doubts. What I can make from this is that even if Jack Dorsey is not Satoshi, it is possible he had clues or should I say early ideas about what Satoshi was working on and may as well attempt to position himself well to take the glory. I will not accept that he is Satashi until he public declare himself to be Satoshi and do the needful which is sign a message with one of Satoshi's known wallet addresses.

They can’t give him that peace; it’s not possible. More people will keep on digging and trying to make a more believable connection. It’s like a competition for those eager to decode the puzzle as if there is going to be some special prize for them if they actually did unveil who the person is, which is likely not going to happen.

Satoshi either died or is embarrassed for losing his seed phrase

Aside that, after knowing whom he is what else, what would they do?
Killed him or crucify him or what?
Yeah, I don't see any reason why trying to dig out his true identity knowing too well that his identity was for the purpose of bitcoin to last longer than we can imagine. If he reveals his identities don't you think there would be so much threat to bitcoin through government and those who are wanting to centralized bitcoin?

In short, there is not enough evidence that has any weight or significance that categorically points to Dorsey being Satoshi.

I stated in a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5486781.msg63787467#msg63787467) before and repeat it here, we do not know how many people were involved in creating Bitcoin and were behind the Satoshi name. It was probably not just one individual but the mystery remains divisive therefore nobody can prove anything.

In general the Bitcoin community dont care who Satoshi is, Satoshi chose to vacate
the scene knowing "it was in good hands". That decision has to be both admired and
respected.

Satoshi brought a ground breaking technology to the world the second ground
breaking feat was to . . . . . . disappear and remain disappear-ed, it is such a
success that all we have are multiple guessing games and speculation events
. . . . . just like the OP.

"we" are never going to unearth that which is a total mystery.

I am sorry that I had to quote the whole wall of text. I found it interesting and want it to be in my profile.

A paragraph summarised everything, where he said that even if he was to be Satoshi, he wouldn't admit it.

It is time we come to the saddest truth that Satoshi can't be discovered.
1. If you eventually discover him, he will say he is not Satoshi.
2. If he eventually shows up, we will say it's not him.
3. No one is signing any message from the Satoshi wallet.

Almost everything you'll hear of Jack Dorsey is later confirmed to have been a lie.
There was a popular rumor that he was working 18 hour days due to being a dual CEO. There was even an entire lore to support this saying he put people on the Square office to work evenings so he could accommodate.

The truth? He was never in either office. As any self respecting executive, he would spend most of his time holidaying. None of his employees saw him hardly ever after a certain point of Twitter having hit the mainstream. He remained CEO because it was convenient. His power to enact decisions was miniscule. All he cared about was keeping his fund initiative.

Jack Dorsey is a very elusive person. Hardly anyone knows him. Alyssa Milano supposedly being a friend of him is an extreme exaggeration. Jack never confirmed any of this.

Anyone who has been following Jack knows that he's the kind of person that never shows any strong opinions. He's opinionated alright, but never seems to care about influencing the world with speech. He's just a guy that struck rich and the capitalist self-made myth that developed around him became so funny that he never denied it. He has never even claimed to be a good programmer himself, yet listen to what people are saying.

There are so many connections and allegations related to Bitcoin or Satoshi to Jack Dorsey. I also saw a similar post on a site (https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/20431007688890), but it seems your explanation is broader and more detailed. I think it's still just an allegation with reasons, as well as some people who are also associated with Satoshi Nakamoto, but no one knows for sure, and I think this only will all be revealed by Satoshi himself, or maybe someone close to him who leaks it.

even with all these evidences, if only one can’t be done then it wouldn’t mean anything satoshi only has to do one thing to prove he is satoshi himself and that would be to move his coins
it’s been years since satoshi “disappeared” if he wanted to be found, he would have been many years ago but he remains a mystery until now

So another character unlock then people speculate that he's the new Satoshi Nakamoto? For sure same with other people pointed out as Satoshi we need to see some proof of relation towards this legendary identity. Since if no one could prove that they are the real one then this claims will go the same with other one and people will trash out the idea about he is the real Satoshi.

I doubt the real one would show up here since its so long no one points out the real identity of Satoshi with proof. Mostly we can see are those clowns claiming that they are the real one. I don't know if its still important to unveil the identity of the real Satoshi since maybe he/she just want to be totally anonymous and just happy with what his creation reached so far.

Many have claimed to be Satoshi but the most vocal is Craig Wright. However,  I think it's cool that we don't really know who the true Satoshi is, as it's fun to tell newbies that Bitcoin's creator is anonymous. I believe that if Satoshi is still around, he won't show himself. And even if some clues point to someone ^{(Dorsey in this case)}, they're never conclusive, and most people just don't care.

There are many interesting coincidences in the article. I see the possibility of Jack Dorsey being Satoshi as close to zero. Finding these coincidences is intriguing, but those who want to create conspiracy theories can make such connections. For example, Jack Dorsey's birthday is November 19. It's said that Satoshi registered on the forum on November 19, but the admin account was created on November 18. If there had been an event linking Jack Dorsey to November 18, it would have been mentioned and used.
In my opinion, Jack Dorsey is just one of the many crypto enthusiasts. Nothing more.

Guys, can we allow Satoshi some breathing space?
We are just getting done with Craig Wright and other faketoshis. What he would want from us is to focus on bitcoin rather than trying to unravel a mystery that would not essentially affect bitcoin.
Jack Dorsey is not Satoshi. We can identify another similarity with someone else, a crypto enthusiasts who has this same outline.
This is what Hal Finney would have had to deal with if he were alive(God rest his soul)

Jack Dorsey has many compelling ties with Satoshi Nakamoto that become more noticeable through his involvement with cypherpunks and crypto activities and cryptic actions throughout time. The available information leads people to ask questions about these connections. But, who knows? The question will remain without an answer for quite some time. It would be intriguing to discover the real truth behind the matter.

Your view would probably be shared by the vast majority of those that have any involvement and/or understanding of crypto. Without a doubt it would be possible to make a list with debatable connections to almost any famous person yet they would not be considered to be Satoshi Nakamoto. The idea Dorsey could even be considered is preposterous.

Too much nit picking in my opinion.  I read a LONG time ago about the likelihood of having the same birth date as another class mate in school.  The likelihood is much higher than you probably think.  A lot of us here on Bitcoin Talk share the same birth date too for sure.

Linking dates is not a way to prove Jack is Satoshi.  Even if all dates coincide, it would be stupid or dubious to think Satoshi would go as far as linking dates to his own identity yet he would try to live on Bitcoin Talk under an Anonymous identity.  Why even try to hide when the most significant Bitcoin dates coincide with your birth date, the birth date of your father, your best friend or what ever.  The CIA would laugh out loud if that was the case.

Let Satoshi live in his own piece, or rest in his soil if he already died.  Privacy should be respected, is it really this hard?  What is accomplished by finding out who Satoshi was or is?

This type of conclusion or other speculations would never stop since there are still curious dude want to know the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. Its like they are using this to highlight some name in the mainstream then sudden debunk it when they didn't get much proof to determine if he's really the real one.

If you search that information you will find out that lot of media sites are buying that claims since they know their are lots of attention  will be pulled by this another series of Satoshi Nakamoto identity finding.

But overall there's nothing surprising to be revealed here as they are just creating another drama  again.

Maybe, maybe not. The question is, are these definitive in concluding that Satoshi Nakamoto is Jack Dorsey? I don't think so.

Aside from having certain clowns who come forward making claims that they are Satoshi, the rest continue to hunt down the real person behind the mysterious name. The problem is that all they can offer are circumstantial evidences.

In which case, Jameson Lopp is right in reminding us that "Accusing someone of being Satoshi without providing bulletproof evidence makes you a massive asshole, because you're painting a target on them. Even if that person is dead, you're endangering their family."^[1]

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[1] https://x.com/lopp/status/1761171065337008141

Finding Satoshi Nakamoto and true identity are biggest challenge and also unsolved myth in many years since 2009 and some years later when Bitcoin started to get success.

Some threads for your research on Satoshi Nakamoto.
Satoshi Identity Revealed LOL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5511762.0)
I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0)
Hal Finney was not Satoshi Nakamoto. (https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/)
How Many Wrongs Make a Wright? (https://blog.lopp.net/how-many-wrongs-make-a-wright/)
COPA vs Craig Wright: The Identity Trial (https://blog.lopp.net/copa-vs-craig-wright-identity-trial/)


Jack Dorsey just began to have interest in Bitcoin recent years, and people after failed with attempt to make other people as Satoshi Nakamoto, switch their target to Jack Dorsey. They have never stopped doing crazy things.

One word - speculations.
 ;)
This so-called "mystery" will never die down, just because of how big it is, so speak. But I agree with you.

Jack Dorsey birthday is 19th November, which is actually the day Satoshi created his account in the forum. Meanwhile, Satoshi being Jack Dorsey had decided to create the admin account the eve to their birthday for testing purposes.
So, Jack Dorsey is Satoshi. Now we have exposed the long hidden secret, what next?

Edit: Many blogs have actually carried this news and it's just trending

That would mean that there are at least 1299 possible candidates who could potentially be Satoshi?

I admit that there is some interesting information that may indicate that Jack may be the one some are looking for, but after all these years, it seems to me that Satoshi is not just one person, but several of them who had an agreement never to go public. I just hope they stick to their agreement, because whoever proves they are Satoshi would have big problems in life, not only with the authorities, but also with a bunch of criminals who would want his wealth or with those who would just want to make a name for themselves by killing him.

It is a most hilarioius reason because a person or a group that is/ are super serious with privacy like Satoshi Nakamoto, decided to launch a Bitcoin forum because it's a celebration of his birthday.

It breaks privacy principles and Satoshi Nakamoto never mind to do it, I really believe the Bitcoin founder never want to do any cool thing to break his privacy.

This conspiracy theory is non sense if you look at it with privacy aspect.

I noticed that Jack Dorsey is bitcoin enthusiaste to some level but I do not yet think he is Satoshi. If he is and he wants people to believe, we should leave all what is written in the OP and he can gladly sign messages with some Satoshi Nakamoto addresses.

I also do not believe Satoshi is just one person. They are groups but likely not many people.

Upon all the these evidences rendered, have you also been informed that we could search from the richest men in the world and still come over almost the exact of all these from some of these men as well, which means, if Jack can possess many related information that could be taken on suspicious linking, then others could have more closer information related to these, but what we should all ask ourselves is whether if there is any cognate proofs over all these claim or not.

all of that is still not enough to make him considered as satoshi, but it is much better compared to that wright who has always been obsessed with becoming satoshi. for the past few years this man has only wanted to make bitcoin his and has even filed several times in court saying that he is satoshi. but fortunately the judges are still rational and did not grant his demands.

but whoever it is i don't really care. as long as he doesn't claim that bitcoin is his, then it is not something that needs to be discussed further.

The extreme curiosity to know who exactly is Satoshi Nakamoto among crypto marketers is the main driving factor in all of this guessing games they've been playing over the years. Some of the biggest Bitcoin investors have engaged in so many fact-finding researches in their bid to uncover the person or persons behind the innovation of Bitcoin but the truth is that the more they come up with new names the less authentic these speculations becomes.

Satoshi Nakamoto knew his reasons why he chose to remain anonymous instead of coming out to claim the praises he deserves in creating the biggest cryptocurrency in the world so I don't think there's any speculation that'll force him to unveil himself just to prove speculators wrong. Jack Dorsey isn't Satoshi please so they should just put this narrative to bed.

In as much as Jack is among the top contributors to Bitcoin core developers, he doesn't come close to being Satoshi. He was very engrossed with Twitter before selling it to Elon and then ventured into cryptocurrency. If he was Satoshi he would have focused in Bitcoin than twitter when he was CEO. Although, the lists you made, Op, have concrete information on him, yet a promoter of anonymity and creator of a decentralized currency like Bitcoin won't leave all those information about him and walk freely on the streets. Satoshi doesn't even have a photo.

I don't know why people keep searching for Satoshi, I've said before and I say it now that it's better to leave Satoshi alone, the guy chose to hide his identity because it's better for him and Bitcoin.

Even if Jack Dorsey is Satoshi himself, no one will be able to prove it because he said it wasn't him, so I think it's the duty of these people to respect the privacy that Satoshi has managed to maintain so far.

We can only speculate and try and make some connections, but what does it do? Nothing. I don't think Jack Dorsey is Satoshi, and even if another person thinks he is, it still changes nothing, he will surely never claim to be Satoshi, and since Satoshi wanted to stay anonymous, i don't think he would have left anything that could connect him to a real identity.

I know that some people 'enjoy' the hunt for Satoshi, but i don't, if Satoshi wanted us to know who they are, then they would have done so, since they didn't, let us enjoy what they created.

Jack Dorsey is really Satoshi, right? :)

The “Real Satoshi” was definitely someone from the cypherpunk movement. So he's one of the 1,300 people involved in the allegations. For me, there's a 1 in 1,300 chance that Jack is Satoshi.

We don't know if he is but even if he was he wouldn't do that.

Dorsey has already debunked claims that he's Satoshi. It's there in the post.

JD is not some hungry dude like Craig Wright.

Lol... Maybe what they wanted is to make headlines and for their name to be inked in the history books as the person who discovered Satoshi's real identity. But I don't think that's going to happen in this case.

Jack Dorsey Satoshi is not Nakamoto. Satoshi Nakamoto is a group of pseudonymous individuals or individuals who published a whitepaper of bitcoin in 2008 and launched the Bitcoin network in 2009. Satoshi’s true identity is unknown so far. On the other hand, Jack Dorsy is the company co-founder and a technology entrepreneur. He is a huge supporter of Bitcoin, but he never claimed he was Satoshi Nakamoto.
Satoshi Nakamoto has an estimated 1 million BTC, which has never been transferred. If Jack Dorsey was Satoshi, he would have published it or used it somehow. Satoshi has been publicly active since 2010, but Jack Dorsi has been known in the technology world since then.

satoshi has disappeared long time ago we do not know whether he has removed himself completely from this industry or he still keeps tabs in so i don’t know about “giving him breathing space” because in all of this he doesn’t seem to be much affected

But we must instead just focus on our own interests which includes bitcoin since the reveal of satoshi’s identity does not change anything about the way we use bitcoin

I've done a lot of looking in to whom might be Satoshi.  I know this grinds the gears of some people, and it's not like I've done so to try and find out whom it is and spread the news to the world or whatever, I just find it all fascinating. Reading anything that Satoshi has written is such a treat in my opinion.  That being said, through everything I've researched, I have my ideas but I highly doubt that it is Jack.  I love Jack, great dude, huge bitcoin advocate, but I don't see it personally. 

It has become a mystery that many wants to decode and they're gonna be genius with all of the connections found. I guess that the next time when someone researches about another known personality in the tech space, they'll support it with some good ideas but they doesn't mean as evidence. Because no matter how hard they try to find connections of a personality to satoshi, none of them will be able to successfully find the actual him unless he comes back with valid proof and evidence by simply signing the wallet.

He might or might not be.

I doubt he is, otherwise he would have said something by now. He is a public figure who has millions of followers and he seems to enjoy the popularity quite a bit, if you look at his social media accounts...

The real Satoshi probably knows that he/she has nothing to gain but everything to lose by going public. Why would they do that?

It is a no win situation for anybody claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto. They will have to sign a known address to have any credibility and even then they will face an uphill struggle when accusations of them being a fake will be made. Thankfully Dorsey and others have never claimed to have invented Bitcoin.

Craig Wright was the only one that claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto and he was ridiculed. He also had a judgement in Court made against him. I remembered these when Wright was mentioned:

Craig Wright: A Very Wrong Person (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226586.0)
London High Court: Craig Wright to sue Bitcoin.org operator-publisher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5332699.0)

ha. No way. It's almost a standard feature of shitcoin creators-- they just tend to do so less publicly, with wispers among their followers.   Wright was unusual in that he went highly public with the claim but that was only after years of using it privately.

There will still be more conspiracy theories about the identity of Satoshi. But the community already knows what the real Satoshi will do to prove his authenticity. I laughed so hard when I saw the picture of this man Stephen Mollah who is claiming to be the founder of Bitcoin.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfc5OSbSE2NIUcX1_3XQz7vgc8Gv9eieUvXQ&usqp=CAU
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c079zp2vy31o

Wright was definitely the most famous that claimed to be Satoshi. I have no idea why he thought he would convince others to believe his claim when he knew he was never going to sign any known addresses.

He destroyed what little reputation he had left when he went public with his claims about him being Satoshi. As for the useless coins creators, they remain anonymous yet claim to be Satoshi in order to gain publicity (and they never do)  ;D

Interesting post.  The first ten or so points are quite compelling, I wasn't aware of many details of his early life.  The rest are probably circumstantial at best.

I found this point interesting;

Satoshi's last mined block was on Jack's dad's birthday (5/3/10).

I don't think I've read that before, (The bit about Satoshi's last mined block, not Jack's Dad's birthday) is this commonly accepted knowledge?  I thought that there were only a handful of blocks that could be confidently attributed to Satoshi.

I think you are totally right.
The real Satoshi would never tell anybody on the spot that they are the one and only, plus - they probably wouldn't have socials that would have that much followers / people to peek their eyes.

Yeah me too, it good the OP used the opportunity to remind people or rather teach about the early life of Satoshi, most people are not fully aware of those stories are it's good to learn about it, I believe the OP should've tittle his topic the early life of Satoshi instead of linking it to Jack Dorsey cause I think the idea of him being Satoshi Nakamoto is too good to be called truth.

 I've seen several names mentioned on the Media claiming to be Satoshi's but then they're all false I think the mystery behind that name would take a very long time before it would be solved, if Satoshi wanted to be discovered he wouldn't have made himself anonymous and would've used his or her real name instead of Satoshi Nakamoto people are just claiming to be Satoshi just for trends and more clicks on their social media platforms.

It's better to stay the way it is currently.
We all know what would happen to Satoshi once his persona is revealed to the hungry public and media, as you mentioned.

He is vocal even since before that he is not the real Satoshi Nakamoto and with that it debunked everything claims that point out that he is the real one since there's no sense at all insisting that he is Satoshi since again they don't have proof and this people is just speculating again.

People better read this to know how pathetic their claims https://www.fortuneindia.com/technology/is-jack-dorsey-satoshi-nakamoto-the-bitcoincreator/120699

But one thing is for sure there Jack Dorsey just a pure believer of Bitcoin and nothing more above with that.

People are intrigued by mystery, and we have to admit that it is something unique that is associated exclusively with Bitcoin. Most people would like to know who is behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, and anyone who has been connected to these things in some way in the past is a possible candidate.

When you have a lot of potential candidates, it's much easier for the real Satoshi to remain hidden and for it all to come down to the famous saying "We are all Satoshi".

You are right, thought I think people are actually over stressing themselves trying to uncover who Satoshi Nakamoto is when Satoshi himself or rather themselves doesn't want his/their identity(ies) uncovered. We have also seen people come to claim they are Satoshi yet we still do not believe them and their public declarations haven't hurt Bitcoin in any way.

Since Satoshi’s absence isn't causing Bitcoin any damage, there is absolutely no need trying hard to bring back Satoshi into the limelight. We are all doing just fine, all thanks to Satoshi for incorporating decentralization into the system.

It seems as though the OP knew he was clutching at straws when he copied the wall of text from Twitter to create this thread.

Keeping that aside, if people were not curious or intrigued they would have left the subject alone a long time ago. Part of the reason the mystery is more intriguing is because Satoshi vanished therefore when people claim to be Satoshi it brings light relief  ;D

Speaking of candidates, I think throwing the name Jack Dorsey in to the hat was a mistake for many reasons because we all know he is not Satoshi.

Craig Wright: A Very Wrong Person (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226586.0)
London High Court: Craig Wright to sue Bitcoin.org operator-publisher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5332699.0)

Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto but is truly a Faketoshi and there are enough dicusssions and proofs to prove Craig Wright is a liar.

How many wrongs make a Wright? (https://blog.lopp.net/how-many-wrongs-make-a-wright/)
Craig Wright's copyright claim. (https://blog.lopp.net/craig-wrights-copyright-claim/)
COPA vs Craig Wright: The Identity Trial. (https://blog.lopp.net/copa-vs-craig-wright-identity-trial/)

To fight against Craig Wright and to help Bitcoin community especially newbies believing in his claims, some Cypherpunks like Martti Malmi aka sirius, and Adam Back took action.
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/newly-revealed-satoshi-email-correspondence-with-martti-malmi
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/bitcoin-adam-backs-complete-emails-satoshi-nakamoto

Jack Dorsey did not claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto, he is different than Craig Wright.

This is also an ongoing experiment with the evidence being presented.
Jack Dorsey is not Satoshi Nakamoto despite the evidence being presented.

One of the points that is considered evidence to prove it is true is when Jack Dorsey started wearing a Satoshi shirt on Michael Saylor's podcast and then at the Super Bowl. Does Michael Saylor believe he is Satoshi? I would say at first glance that Saylor still believes Satoshi is anonymous.

Who cares if he is or not? Whoever Satoshi is will never admit it, so this kind of speculation is completely pointless.

I had originally thought that Hal Finney was Satoshi, though after reading all of this information recently as well from other sources (and now seeing this one pop up too), there is quite a lot of compelling information to support that Jack just might be Satoshi - though on the other side, a lot of this information needs more proof. It seems like a lot of coincidences, and majority of them could be fabricated.

I find this one particularly interesting (they all are though this one specifically)

Are there any threads about this?


There's no harm in wanting to know or understand who created the very thing that has bought us all together. It's not pointless, it's discovery.

Satoshi Nakamoto sent a last email to Gavin Andresen because leaving and maybe there is information you did not know.

• https://gavinandresen.ninja/eleven-years-ago-today
• https://www.bitcoin.com/satoshi-archive/emails/gavin-andresen/1/

Satoshi left and moved to do other things in an email to Mike Hearn on 23 April 2011.
https://plan99.net/~mike/satoshi-emails/thread5.html

Floating the idea that Jack Dorsey could be Satoshi Nakamoto is the Dunning-Kreuger effect at work. Meaning, you would only think Jack Dorsey could possibly be Satoshi if you didn't understand enough about cryptography to know that you know almost nothing about cryptography.

Its true Dorsey guided teams that did cryptography-related things, but there's no way he's Satoshi, who demonstrated a thoroughly profound knowledge of the subject, probably shared by less than a hundred people in the entire world at the time.

Twitter's former founder and CEO Jack Dorsey has himself linked himself to the inventor of Bitcoin. There are many arguments for and against the above connections, although many have previously presented themselves as Satoshi Nakamoto, although they were unfounded.
If that were the case, then everyone should know about the investigation into Craig Wright's case as the false Bitcoin founder Satoshi Nakamoto. Despite his best efforts, he was unable to establish himself as Satoshi Nakamoto.
Former CEO Jack Dorsey will be heavily criticized for the evidence he presented. However, if it is correct, Bitcoin will definitely become a centralized coin and its value will not be able to sustain itself in the market.

As far as I know these emails address Satoshi leaving, but they don't actually address the reappearance I quoted:

Where is the source that in 2015, Satoshi reappeared "on the bitcoin mailing list to address the bitcoin block size debates"?

This is probably one of the the most important facts which I can't find any source on, as it debunks that Hal was Satoshi, as he passed in 2014 (rest in peace).

It'd be very good for the audience (and myself) if the OP was sourced to whatever source is possible. That'd make this thread a whole lot more credible and interesting. Not to mention, it would help to distinguish from what is fact from what is created commentary, as it's hard to distinguish between the two currently.

Any help appreciated as I'm somewhat well informed on these topics and would personally like to be able to measure the legitimacy of what is (to me) a bunch of dot points with hardly any sources that is being pushed on mainstream media by a social media conglomerate...

easy to find:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Per Grok:


After it expired or was reset by the new owners of Vistomail, someone re-registered the email address to larp as Satoshi, or at least use his name to promote the idea of a Bitcoin fork. It was quickly shot down by several prominent members of the mailing list, as can be seen in subsequent replies.

Not the first time its happened (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0), either.

It's a search that won't end till Bitcoin exists  ;D

Jack Dorsey is one of the most high profile Bitcoiners in the world and also among one of the highest net worths. Him being involved in the lawsuit against Craig Wright was not anything extraordinary for someone in his position. Most of these things on the list are simply coincidences and small details that are presented in a biased way. None of it seems like a smoking gun. It’s an interesting theory, but not any more convincing than some of the other names that have been thrown around.

Nitpicks are what theories are being built on.
Just like with any other mystery that cannot be proven by more foolproof facts.

I must say that the list in the OP is the closest facts that I've heard concerning who Satoshi Nakamoto, might be, although I don't know about most of them. It's all theory if Jack Dorsey, doesn't say that he's Satoshi, and as it stands I doubt that he'll claim ownership to the name. It is true that the events that are stated could be coincidental but but we can't deny that they're quite convincing. Him being a top pro Bitcoiner can prompt him to defend it but still the coincidents in the OP tells a lot of occurrences that relates to Bitcoin and Satoshi. Whoever Satoshi, is, we thank him/her/ they for creating Bitcoin.

Whether it's true or not, we will never know. It's most likely to become a puzzle to be talked about, and what I like about this is it can bring exposure to Bitcoin again, and it's a positive thing, in my opinion. There's no end goal to this, even if it's true or not; the matter of it is that Bitcoin is here. There are a lot of controversies about being Satoshi, and I don't think you want to be him and expose yourself.

Very strong connection, but we can't tell much if it's actually true or not.
I actually found myself laughing at some point though, because I believe everyone of us here might have had some incident that correlates with the dates mentioned in the OP, which can make any of us Satoshi. Besides, Jack had already stated that he wouldn't admit even if he is, unlike some people that wants to put themselves on the media, claiming to be what they're not.

But the most important thing here is that I've learned something new.
I wasn't even away that some of Satoshi's online activities had been monitored and gathered. I will definitely like the read more of it. Until then, Jack remains jack, and Satoshi remains Satoshi.

On the contrary, Satoshi's going into the shadows only made BTC truly decentralized, and whether he left because he had the intention to do so from the beginning or just listened to what some of his associates thought about him pulling all the strings is up to question. I think an accidental or intentional return would have bad consequences for BTC, especially since many are afraid of what Satoshi might do with all those coins he mined.

I've studied Bitcoin to an extent and if you ask about the importance of satoshi's anonymity, I'll say that Bitcoin became a successful innovation that millions of people around the world are benefiting from because the creator is anonymous. One of the major global financial problems Bitcoin came to solve was the problem of decentralization but that wouldn't have been possible of Satoshi Nakamoto wasn't anonymous.
I don't think the person of group of persons is even ready for any form of unveiling so why the fuss amongst "enemies" of Bitcoin who's come up with different false narratives about the real identity of Bitcoin creator?.

I personally dislike Satoshi Nakamoto identity hunts because I see them as useless for Bitcoin and even harmful. I think it's better if identity of Satoshi Nakamoto will be in secret forever, and I don't have need to know the identity at all.

I guess they are not Bitcoin investors, miners or traders and they are very likely Bitcoin outsiders and they dislike, even hate Bitcoin and want Bitcoin to fall down, collapse or die.

They are people who made many "Bitcoin is dead" fuds.
https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin-obituaries/

Yes, that's right, one of the most attractive things about Bitcoin is the mystery of its creator, which makes it almost like an ancient myth and that's what attracts a lot of people.
This is one of the many reasons why I say it's better for Satoshi to remain anonymous.

Jack Dorsey is a beast if he really is Satoshi and walks around with a shirt that says Satoshi all day. I mean I guess he fits a lot of these time slots but honestly there's no way he is Satoshi. Satoshi was probably Hal Finney and passed away and never got to see his Brian child grow up, which is very sad indeed if that is the case, maybe the likliest possibility and I think a lot of people would agree...

That's the only positive thing about it.
An enigma that is like a beacon for those not familiar with crypto and BTC at all.
But mostly, the exposure comes from how valuable BTC is and what price it holds nowadays.

Thanks for that. I remember reading discussions about the vistomail email being hijacked at some stage, though I was not aware of official emalis from Satoshi himself, re-appearing to chime in on the block debate. If the sender was the same Satoshi, that debunks the theory that Hal Finney was Satoshi. Our bs aside, do you think the vistomail email was the original Satoshi? Honestly would like to know your opinion as I have always been convinced on Hal being the most likely satoshi.


I actually appreciate this post.

You're a roller coaster of emotions for me nutildah...lol.

This is definitely a mystery to us because we don't know who Satoshi Nakamoto actually was, so anyone can claim Satoshi at any time. But of course, in that case, there will be a fair investigation in the legal process, and if it is proven, he will be recognized as Satoshi. And if it is proven false, he will definitely not be recognized as Satoshi.

I heard different theories and speculations for identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, but this one is probably more silly than all others joined together.
The part where he finds some ''connection'' with birthday of Jack, and birthday of his mother and father is so silly that it's not worth commenting anything about it.
This guy probably used some AI to collect all this information and make imaginary connections that don't exist in real life.