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So, a billionaire that has received and still receives plenty of Government contract has gone - unchecked and unelected - rampart on personel and costs of the government (not a bad thing) but disregarding much of the underlying real needs that were actually being covered, e.g. veterans.

And people are voting with their purchases which is reflected on the Tesla stock price. Shareholders at this point must be fuming.

Tesla shares is a little on the green side by 5% but maybe the boycott has not really start biting because the protest just started across Tesla companies.

Well more reasonably, where does Elon want the people to get money to buy those cars if they are cutting down federal jobs. I would have said this could be the beginning of Elon diminishing popularity but no, Trump is with him and promising to buy his car. Is Trump going to change his beast?  ;D

Maybe people should stop worshipping (ass-kissing) these chlurmcks. The best way to prevent stupid ass morons from worshipping the chlurcmks is to cause humans to go extinct completely. I know how to prevent human extinction, but I will do nothing to stop it because there are more important things we need to worry about.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

This is actually hitting Tesla too much.

With the boycotting of Tesla cars, the stocks have plummeted a lot and they're losing a lot of money day by day because of this trend.

If this is going to continue, there will be more stockholders that are going to sell their shares when they have to cut loss. It's an expensive stock to be honest.

As far as things are set up now, EV is stupid, and doesn't really work. So, yes. Every company that takes advantage of government 'help' regarding 'green', is wasting taxpayer money foolishly.

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This is much bigger than a simple boycott. According to Musk these smear campaigns and attacks on his dealerships were financed by a couple billionaires who used to visit Epstein island.

Just think about it for a moment. Musk is auditing the US gov and in fact uncovered a lot of fraud, like over 1 million people who unlawfully receive pensions after their relatives had died. This actually is a big thing. Also, he managed to uncover where Biden's administration was funneling money, like for instance to battle climate change in various countries.
Then the new FBI director released some of the Epstein files, and guess what, Reid Hoffman, one of the guys that was on the Epstein list happens to attack Musk by saying that he understands people who are violent towards Musk's businesses. According to Musk, Hoffman financed protests against Tesla. There's even a site https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown where people organize these protests. Somebody is paying for it all, just like Soros paid for Euromaidan in 2013.

Don't get me wrong here, I don't know who's telling the truth, but just look at the people who are screaming the loudest. Bill Gates who visited Epstein on his rape island and when the pictures of the two together came out said that their friendship was a mistake. Gates who, if it was up to him, would reduce the world's population and make you all eat bugs and fake meat, doesn't want Musk digging through government spending. I wonder why.

That said, Teslas suck. Expensive and unreliable. Would never buy that shit.

Poor Elon Musk. People wanted EV's. And he came to give them what they wanted, even if he bit off a little more than he could chew. Now, in return, people want to boycott him for trying to help them by giving them what they wanted.

Did Musk make a profit? Of course he did. That's why people go into business. So, what is wrong with Musk making a profit in every legal way he can? Yes, legal, just like all the other business people who make and sell products wanted and needed by the people. He hasn't really even been accused of illegal doings.

The only reason why people talk against him is that he is in the process of revealing all kinds of Deep State bad stuff done against the people of America. Even Soros is paying people to talk bad against Musk. Why? Because Musk has revealed that Soros is on the take of government funds, the exact same thing this thread accuses Musk of doing. But Soros is doing it, while Musk is truly trying to help the people, and NOT stealing government funds at the same time.


Tesla Rebounds After Trump Showcases Vehicles At White House (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/376306-2025-03-11-tesla-rebounds-after-trump-showcases-vehicles-at-white-house.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-will-buy-brand-new-tesla-show-support-musk-doge
President Trump announced plans to purchase a Tesla vehicle on Monday to show support for Elon Musk and DOGE.

Trump is checking out five different Tesla models. There is speculation that the president may choose the Cybertruck.

"Number one, it's a great product — as good as it gets — and number two, because he [Musk] has devoted his energy and his life to doing this and I think he has been treated very unfairly," Trump told reporters, adding, "will be buying a Tesla today."

Recall Tesla was excluded from the Biden-Harris administration's EV summit at the White House in 2021.

Also, note that Tesla is one of the most made-in-America vehicles and fulfills Trump's 'America First' manufacturing pledge.

Did Tesla vehicles arriving at the White House put a bottom in the stock?

Meanwhile, Trump told reporters that ongoing violence by leftists against Tesla vehicles will be labeled as "domestic terrorism."

President Trump announced early Tuesday morning on Truth Social that he will support Elon Musk by purchasing a new Tesla.

While the president did not specify which model he intends to purchase, his endorsement comes as Musk's DOGE has been a massive success, neutering parts of the Deep State—though not without consequences for the billionaire.

Musk has faced backlash from unhinged leftists, who have attacked Tesla showrooms, torched Tesla Superchargers, attacked vehicles, and even initiated a boycott—all because these folks are outraged that DOGE has found billions of waste and fraud within the federal bureaucracy.

"To Republicans, Conservatives, and all great Americans, Elon Musk is "putting it on the line" in order to help our Nation, and he is doing a FANTASTIC JOB!" Trump wrote on Truth Social.
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-will-buy-brand-new-tesla-show-support-musk-doge)

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wheres your cries about samantha jane power who was not elected and was left unchecked to be the head of USAID durign bidens term?
when you see she is a LGBTQ rights person. you can see why USAID ended up going down th DEI path rather than being normal foreign aid(food/shelter/medical)


TESLA didnt get dummy* grants from treasury.. lets explain what tesla did get:
its biggest so called "gov" related income was that it received carbon credits which was a private reserve/pool of funds(not public treasury tax). this separate pool of funds was from polluting businesses that pay for their pollution which then reward less polluting industry as a balancing act.. so this is not normal tax treasury funds. but a separate vessel/pool of funds

however trump actually stopped the carbon credit game. meaning tesla no longer gets that money.. and guess what, yep elon didnt complain nor beg trump to reverse the decision

oh and the only contracts of meaningful amount using public tax treasury money was not any random thing. but actual procurement of actual vehicles for public servants to drive around. so its not a donation nor a dummy* grant. but a purchase of actual fleets of cars, that were actually delivered

*(dummy)disappearing un-utilised money magic yearly (wasteful spending).

funny thing though..
biden earmarked and set aside $7.5billion intended to get 500,000 of EV car charging stations set up across the country.. but that money didnt even reach any car manufacturer nor tesla. they were meant to be unbranded state/ gov universal charging stations, and so the amount of EV chargers it suppose to make never got built.. but guess where the money did go.. yep no one knows

but there are not even 500,000, nor 200,000 nor 100,000 publicly funded universal unbranded chargers.

if you exclude all the branded charged self funded by car manufacturers. the numbers of publicly funded chargers is creepily low, compared to the $7.5b that was paid out for them..

so ask yourself what did that $7.5b pay for exactly.

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if elon got $2.8b carbon credits (not treasury funds) and it makes you cry loudly
where did biden push the $7.5b from treasury in 2024 that didnt result in 500,000 charging stations promised

if you want to cry about the few grants to buy fleets of cars that the public sector employees are driving
where did sarah power spend hundreds of billions of treasury money on (not a spoiler: DEI)

Interestingly, there are already public demonstrations in a few sites on Tesla dealers. People simply gater in the gates and start scaring away prospective clients.

There you go, shorting Tesla in 3,2,1

https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+stock&oq=tesla+stock+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg7MgYIAhBFGDwyBggDEEUYPDIGCAQQLhhA0gEIMTM3NGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+stock&oq=tesla+stock+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg7MgYIAhBFGDwyBggDEEUYPDIGCAQQLhhA0gEIMTM3NGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

From a maximum of above 400, now trading a 230 and the shares start to stink. But to be far, Tesla is always a ride so why this case may be special? Because this time there are very good reasons for the fall.

Imagine if he his bearded financers would sell a phone........
https://x.com/i/status/1900260138440593596
I happy drive my 80's car with basic electrics, without the electronic bells and whistles, thank you, go from A to B just fine.

Maybe USA should cut all fossil fuel subsidies then? If you can afford pay the real price that is. Let their markets decide if they want to choose economical choices rather then
those gas guzzlers. Or doesn't that really work or aren't you that interested of wasting taxpayers money?

Tesla can go bankrupt for all i care, there are better EVs out there, and those companies that are selling more cars then tesla compared to their stock prices, that aren't that inflated. Wonder why.

Don't make a big deal out of it. If you bought Tesla over 6 months ago you are still up on your investment.
You're talking just like all those people who try to shit on bitcoin's performance saying that it's down 30% from the peak, but if you bought it last year you're up 100%.

Yes, there are good reasons for the fall: Soros is shorting it and paying for the protests to make money on his shorts, but Trump is already trying to counterattack by going after vandals who hit Tesla dealerships and taking a ride in one of Musk's cars to show support.

what i find funny is when people on this forum dont do research but then say something, but pretend its their thoughts even if its a slogan, script reciting of words heard by a certain group that also dont think for themselves in regards to researching the detail

words like
"receives plenty of Government contract has gone - unchecked and unelected"

elons tesla company has chairmen and board members, does audits, has a cfo
the grants actually produced something requested
as for what he does within the gov,
he has daily meetings with the president, elon doesnt sit at a computer rifling through each citizens data. instead he delegates other governemnt departments to do what they are allowed to do.
EG the "reply to email with 5 things you done this week. was not a elon personal email to all gov employee.. it was where he organised for the OPM(office of personnel management and all departments supervisers to handle the emails and make reports
yep elon didnt want nor get 3mill emails. instead the government departments that supervise their employees handled it, as they should, where elon just guided them to do what they should do


compare that to (as said before)
samantha jane power, she wasnt elected, she went unchecked, she get hundreds of billions and USaid has gone unchecked for decades, how wisely was that money used
heck the inspector generals whom for many years should have already found all the waste. yet didnt. so they were not performing their duties. so yep bye bye

oh and one last thing
the words "unchecked and unelected" show how those saying the words dont know how politics work, but by saying those specific words, reveals which media they got the idea from and what way that media lean

TESLA stock prices were on a bit of a tear, maybe a correction was inevitable. Trump’s tariff has created panic & uncertainty in markets so that has probably made the correction deeper than it would have been. This will all blow over when we get QE & rate cuts later this year in an everything blow off top.

I think that even Elon sees this happening. It came from him that the price of Tesla's stock is quite expensive, and I guess he's real honest with that.

It won't get bankrupt that easy. The stocks might fall but it won't go to zero and so as the company unless there is something happening internally that is beyond their control. I remember a video that Jeff Bezos said that they're looking at Amazon's stock going down but they're having good progress internally, this is possible with Tesla but I don't think so.

from may 2022- november 2024 tesla averaged $250
in december-jan it peaked to $440 and has now in march returned to the average of $250

so no loss really.. just a normal day

I just wonder how far people are willing to go in order to avoid purchasing Teslas and even if the Boycott is effective, what companies are going to replace Tesla within the north American market? Trump is already giving some advertisement to Elon and his vehicles in Federal property, for the sake of the stock price, but that won't be enough.
Chinese electric vehicles are not going to make an entry within the American market, because of national security anyways, so I guess people will opt for Ford electrical vehicles (though, I am afraid those are not completely made in the USA and will also be affected by Trump tariffs).

learn about freeports

hint: when parts are made in other countries and imported to america as PARTS(not finished product ready for retail) no tariff is charged at the freeport
when ford then have a final assembly factory at the freeport to assemble the final car, its deemed as made in america. thus no tariff

I can see your money is not where your mouth is. Tesla is a company that suffers big swings, the question is why. There are normal market swings related to regulations, inflation, rates and in the case of Tesla a perpetual doubt about them actually being able to meet the production targets in time with the right quality.

However this time is not about that, this time is about people in front of the dealers saying no to the standard of Techno Fascism that Elon has become. And to be honest, many of the people who buy an electric vehicle do believe in climate change, do not see "baby drill" as a positive change and may simply walk away from Tesla.

Feel free to deny, but keep your portfolio clear of Tesla, just like it is now ;)

That is another thing I don't get from the political and commercial alliance Trump has with Elon, though. Recently, Trump appeared advertising Teslas by pretending to buy one directly from Elon. But was not Trump against electric cars and was all about drilling oil to keep the country energy independent?
The average Trump vote is being told two things which seems to completely contradict one another: drill drill drill and electric cars are good (because of the reality of climate change).
Still, those who believe climate change is a reality are democrats or liberals who are going to continue to boycott Tesla in favor or other companies whose CEOs are not blatantly in the bed with Trump for the sake of money and power...
Obviously, Musk will try to make other brands of electric cars as expensive as possible for the general public.

trump also took away the carbon credits. so yep elon is not getting that pot of money from trump.. so funny the dems are crying that elon is money grabbing from trumps government..
oh and elon selling fleets of tesla was mostly to STATE government employee's, so is a state thing not a fed thing, plus was a biden era thing for the fed employee car programs
oh and biden gave out hundreds of millions of fed money to build unbranded gov owned charging stations....... that never got built. yep elon didnt get that money either, but where did it go.. no one knows

anyway

i think trumps stance is that tree's exist and tree's love carbon, but no one can name a material that digests lithium into something useful and non toxic once the car batteries go to landfill. so which is a more of a toxin to the environment.
too much money went into "climate change" but we all know tree's grow by themselves, tree's dont get paid per photosynthesis, and the carbon/climate money didnt all go to planting more trees

as for drill drill drill
trump wants choice. fossil AND EV
also to note oil is always going to be needed for many things, no matter what anyone says. so trump wants to make sure his oil supply is self sustainable from his own sources instead of relying on international affairs and other countries rates/deals.

i know some people are also anti-plastic. so lets clarify this too. when oil is refined into fuel, there is a toxic sludge left over.. and if its not used to make plastic stuff it just remains toxic sludge which has to go somewhere. so might aswell use the sludge to make plastic stuff.. but should be long-life plastics

so yea, when the country needs an abundance of plastic stuff like window frames, piping.. and there is a flammable liquid byproduct, might aswell use it for fuel
so yea, when the country needs an abundance of fuel for things like planes.. and there is a sludge byproduct, might aswell use it for plastic
but in both cases, trump wants it to be sourced from american oil mostly

Not a fact at all, in fact most of the BS "receipts" of fraud he used to post online have been debunked (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/upshot/musk-doge-changes-deletions.html) just based on publicly available information, so the rest of it is probably bullshit too. So obviously he did the chickenshit thing and stopped posting details (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/us/politics/doge-errors-funding-grants-claims.html) that allowed people to research his claims of fraud.

That's not to say there isn't fraud in the government but it's likely quite a bit more sophisticated than Elon and his fanboys tend to fantasize, nor does it have anything to with Epstein... other than Elon currently working for one of the most corrupt politicians and an Epstein client too... oh wait, maybe it is Trump paying for those Tesla boycotts, he doesn't like EVs (https://apnews.com/article/trump-electric-vehicles-past-criticism-hoax-d58758e990f13482e0c6e3a79150abbe) and hates Elon too (https://www.axios.com/2022/07/13/trump-elon-musk-twitter-clash).

With that range, there is no loss and you're right. But it is not for me to say that there is no loss especially to those people that have bought during the peak of it. Because the majority considers Tesla is one of the stocks now that have lost massively in its stock price. I wonder how he's going to balance things when he's working for Doge and his companies at the same time.

They won't let me read that unless I subscribe, so I have to take your word for it. Do they say something about the fact that USAID decided to burn confidential documents so that DOGE wouldn't be able to see it, or that the US gov financed "scientists" that were trying to impregnate male mice? What about the fact that people age 100+ were listed as alive in the social security database?
I'd like to see Musk proven wrong on 100% of these claims, but even if 10% of it is true it doesn't look good.
I'd really like to see the numbers. Costs of running DOGE operation vs how much money it saved the government.

That was "old Trump" The current Trump is different. :D  

I remember Trump saying that he doesn't like bitcoin and the USD should be the only currency in the US, so I'm not surprised to see him criticize Musk in 2022 just to shake his hand in 2024. We've seen it all: the crypto hater Trump, the NFT Trump, the meme coin Trump, the bitcoin reserve Trump. What's next?
That said, Reid Hoffman really was on Epstein list and it looks like he really had something to do with a Tesla boycott. It would be just another normal day on Wall Street if a few of these rich guys shorted Tesla while paying celebrities to promote Tesla dumping. It's like a me too movement for Tesla now.

right click - copy link, of links that lead to paywalls, then use things like archive.today or wayback machine or other internet archive services.. enjoy

That is something that has lead me to think there is something more than meets the eye. Trumps killing the Carbon and green agenda and deregualting seems to go directly against Elon's largest company.

There has to be something between Trump, Elon, Putin and perhaps a few others that is not clearly known. I am not into conspiracy theories, but there are actions of Elon that I cannot explain outside substance abutse or the like. Any clues?

what if i told you all of elons businesses
space X, tesla, gigafactory, boring, solarCity are all just R&D for automated mineral mining on the moon and mars

what if i told you US and Russia and most countries are fighting for minerals
what if i told you a few million cars of just a few $b value is crumbs compared to the $trillions available of mineral trade

They are all more United ideologically than by their economical objectives in the short term, I guess. They all had something to lose if a Kamala administration took place in the United States: Trump would have lost his freedom because of all the crimes he has been invited for, Elon Musk would have lost further favor from the government of the United States because the way he has politicized his businesses and Twitter/X. Putin is way more obvious, he wants the war in Ukraine to be over and be the winner of all that land he has occupied, it would have been very difficult with Kamala Harris as the first female president of the United States, now he has the implicit backing of Trump, who is bullying the president of the invaded country, instead of defending Ukraine from the aggressor.
Elon has managed to make Trump to sit down in one of his electric cars for the sake of advertisement, so he will try further to change his narrative on Electric Vehicles even further.

What if I told you that my uncle Herbert likes Burbon.

Ok, I am going to make the effort to take you seriously... do you remember that scene in Game of Thrones where the blond cute one (Daeneris) was with three tiny dragons at the gates of a city and told them she needed to go in or she would die while at the same time she promised revenge? Well, the answer was... to get revenge you need to survide today.

Anyone who has a clue about business knows this truth: You may be great tomorrow, but first you need to survive today.

what if i tell you again that this weeks tesla stock prices are still inline with 2024 average and way higher than 2020 prices
what if i told you if elon was fired today by tesla board/chairmen/shareholders, he is still richer than us all

just remember although the stock had a ATH in december .. it corrected back to norm now.. its not a death signal
even musk said the december price was over valued so he was expecting a correction


i know many US Dem leaning twits want to paint a picture acting as if their words/actions have caused elon to crawl into a ball in a corner rocking back and fourth crying like a kid that got bullied... but nah. i dont see that happening

he has bigger fish to fry, like getting the ISS astronauts back, like doing deals in india, and finding all the other fraud the dems are hiding in the fed
 "oh well"  (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886470966445854738)
https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/17/09lLv.png

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JI-_WKW4H3Y
"offer me money, offer me power, i dont care" [so you dont care, you wanna share what you have to say] "i'll say what i want to say and if the consequence is losing money so be it"

Except USAID document destruction, that happened under Trump's admin, is challenged by people suing DOGE, not the other way around. DOGE doesn't need documents or proof or anything, they just make shit up and close entire departments because "woke". Court cases against them would need documents and proof.

Not sure what mice you're talking about, this perhaps (https://www.amprogress.org/research-news/2025/03/clarifying-misinformation-about-transgender-mice-in-research)?

The SS thing has been thoroughly debunked. Number of people receiving payouts closely matches number of people actually existing (according to the Census Bureau). People being listed in a database doesn't mean fraud (https://apnews.com/article/social-security-payments-deceased-false-claims-doge-ed2885f5769f368853ac3615b4852cf7).

Government efficiency is actually a non-controversial topic that has been brought into an artificial controversy by Democrats by reasoning of sheer hatred for anyone who supports their opponents. Musk selected the most non-controversial topic upon which to participate in government yet Democrats found a reason to passionately hate him for this.

The reduced sales by Democrats who are told to hate Musk by legacy media are balanced against higher sales to Republicans who appreciate his efficiency efforts. Telsa's future is more about selling robots than cars, so their car sales just won't be driving down the stock substantially. That said, leading tech companies are widely considered to be in an overbought bubble similar to 1999 internet companies, so that could result in a crash regardless anyone buying or not buying a Tesla.

^^^ A couple of interesting points are:

1. Musk and DOGE don't have any authority to make changes in government or anywhere else. All they are doing is investigation. Then it is up to the government agencies, or Trump by whatever means, to authorize and make the changes.

2. Musk is taking the Dem lambasting of his companies all in stride. Why? Because when it is all over - in the long run - he will be vindicated by his help in extending MAGA throughout the USA. THAT vindication will help his companies to grow beyond even his dreams.

The Deep State is using the tactics that they have always been using. Lie and deceive the people into voting for them in mind if not literally.

Now is the time for us to support ourselves by supporting Trump, Musk, DOGE, and MAGA if we want to make ourselves personally strong, along with America.

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so you use a AP article as a debunk
according to the AP debunk.. the dems sorted out all improper payment and clawed things back on or before january.. and it only amounted to $30m
"according to a report in july 2024"  "according to appropriations bill 2021"

sooooooo.... if true. how come the dead are still "alive" in feb 2025.. oh wait. yep dems didnt find crap, they didnt look or check or do the investigations they said. they didnt fix it and remove the "living dead"... because, mhm.. yep the dead are still alive feb 2025

also to note.(research the word appropriations)
when treasury value how much funds should go into the SS budget. the SS department calculate how many people are "alive" on their system above X age whom deserve payments(even if unclaimed) and earmark a total.. to ensure they have money for all possible claims so that the money is there to make payments, and ontop of that also the SS departments admin costs of running SS.
then its up to SS to spend that money to those claims that ask for SS.. so even if no human asks for SS above X age. the SS has got more money in which becomes admin spending. because each year when departments get a budget. if there is an excess at the end of the year, it needs to be spent else they lose it(not rolled over) so most departments admin then spend it on nonsense like office upgrades, payrises, 'business events', fleets of cars for office staff use.

part of trumps economic plan is to sort the waste and make departments more financially efficient

I will tell you that they were and have been for a long time too expensive. But hey, just go and buy Tesla stock and them pump with narratives such as "they are going to  mine asteroids" and the like. You know what is happening? That money in the funds is apolitical, or better said, their only politics is to win more money.

Oh BTW, if you say compare to 2020, please take the inflation into account. The shares are in real terms lower - and thanks for helping me prove a point... I mean, if I had made a point of that .

Someone created a Dogequest website that gives the names addresses and phone numbers of Tesla owners on a map with the intent of having people spray paint the cars. These people are sick anti-Americans who want to try and feel tough doing the most bitchmade shit imaginable. I pity the liberal that gets caught messing with my truck…

shares 2020 $28.50
shares 2025 $225

so inflation has been 789% over last 5 years.....according to you......(facepalm)
ok ill send you a working calculator for next christmas, gives you plenty of time to learn maths the hard way before that

Right, so your response to Elon being wrong is like... that's impossible because what he said is definitely undoubtedly true LOL

I don't know what to tell you, other than you're being scammed by an asshole billionaire, but it appears that a lot of people really enjoy that weird fetish.

you need to read better
by keeping 130-300+yr old SSN active, the social security department get extra budget, which they spend/ need to spend before next funding round

in some cases its spent funding unvetted/unchecked identity thieves who use old SSN to claim unemployment/disability/pension income. in other cases the department increases its spending internally
both cases are fraud
heck alot of fraud happened during the covid era, concerning stimulus cheques

either way in february 2025 (long after the reports that pretend to debunk) the 130-300+yr old SSN were still active which shows the reports didnt find what elon found. else those old SSN would have been fixed long before elon

..
if you want to follow the math
$71bil in improper payments is either $71b improper internal office overspend
or
based on a $20k annual benefit to a individual means 3.5million people are claiming benefits they shouldnt

which is nothing like "just a couple dead people" myth..
its actually alot of money wastage/fraud, and yes during the dem administration they admit there is $71b abuse of SS system/budget

oh and if the SS department only have a masterlist of 142m deaths going back hundreds of years.. they are missing alot of deaths.

Liberals have gone full anti-America now. They’ve lost their minds. They are angry that Elon is getting waste and fraud out of the budget to the point where they thing committing domestic terrorism is the answer. They’re carving swastikas on people’s cars and then saying those people are the nazis. Sanity has left the building.

Completely false but you keep repeating it as fact. Being in a database doesn't mean any of the above.


$71 billion over eight years, four of which included Trump's first term. And it's not how math works. It isn't a neatly packaged group of people defrauding the government.


"alot [sic]" is less than 1% of total ~$8 trillion in payments over that period. I'd say it's not nothing but not a lot either considering the complexity of the system. Definitely not something that can be easily fixed by a few tweets or a few illiterate posts on a bitcoin forum.

i never said it was a 'neatly packed group' of 3.5m people getting $20k a year for 8 years.. please, please , please do the math and you'll see it doesnt work out as that

[spoiler, when you realise your mistake about the math, later you will remind self i also said there can be internal office waste-age (mandatory spending)]
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as for the other bits..
funny how you want to pretend the dems found the discrepancy and handled it, but when i highlighted the problem still existed feb 2022, you just glossed passed it and didnt even try to debate it
...
as for you also glossing over the whole way the SS department get their budget before any spending internally or to retired citizens claims.. you need to look at a two things called "appropriations" and "mandatory spending"
where they set how much they want (backed up by database numbers) to set how much they think they will need(waste) for possible and active claims. and then it needs to all be spent by year end as the funds are not rolled back into the next year or returned to treasury
..
oh and your low ball number you are going by of what the dems supposedly found years prior is not as much as whats actually being found in 2025
which i have got to remind you again. if the dems found it, and fixed it. why still an issue in 2025

This thread alone makes me want to go out a buy a tesla 8)

So... it's neatly packed and totally separate groups of 440k people for each year totaling 3.5 million people? Obviously you didn't know it was over 8 years because the tweet or tiktok you pulled it from didn't spell it out for you. Nor does it change the fact that it's < 1% of total payouts, and < 1% of total recipients even if we follow your batshit math.


Again, the database means jack shit, as should be obvious by now given that the payouts aren't just going to everyone in the database, they're going to people eligible to receive those payouts +/- the less-than-1% of "improper" payments.

noooo

i cant believe i have to spell this out to you several times

people are eligible if they reach a certain age.. but here is the thing people dont just get it at that age automatically.. they need to file a claim to show intent to retire and file proof of ID, proof of latest mailing address and bank account info to receive the funds

so you are just being a pedantic idiot to argue that people dont get it by just being on the database as being over X age.. but then straight after you then say people do get it for being on the database over X age

what actually happens is people have to file a claim. EG tell the SS department that they intend to retire at the eligible age rather than work on until a later age..

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now let me clarify
AGAIN

before any money is spent from the SS department to eligible citizens.. guess what. (oops dont guess you will get it wrong)
ill spell it out

each year the SS department submits a report of an estimate number of POSSIBLE claimants. based on a database of POSSIBLE eligibility
they get those funds. even if they dont know how many people are actually going to file a claim for pension at their birthday

and so this is what is called "appropriations" where money moves from the feds bank to the SS department bank.. again.. lets spell it out:

BEFORE THE MONEY IS SPENT DURING THE FISCAL YEAR.. the SS department HAS TO GET the money from the fed

read above 20 times to make sure you have read it clearly and precisely so that you can stop acting silly

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now..
once the SS department GETS THE MONEY(appropriations)
again repeating the words for your benefit
once the SS department GETS THE MONEY(appropriations)

they then have the money which means they can then spend the money (you know the flow of time works one direction)

that money is under a particular contract and HAS TO BE SPENT by the end of fiscal year
the "has to be spent" is called MANDATORY SPENDING

so if SS department has more active numbers on record, they(the SS DEPARTMENT) can claim more money at start of year from the fed. and if not spent on retiree's then the SS DEPARTMENT get to spend it on their own internal crap
which is where the SS department is doing wastage and fraud internally
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also.. now lets deal with the amount of citizens using outdated SSN
identity theft is a real thing and yes it happens and although YOU want to pretend it was all found and solved and handled and fixed years ago by bidens administration.. guess what
in 2025 the numbers are still active meaning the problems still remain in 2025

the USGOV has figured that alot of identity fraud of reviving the dead occured due to the covid stimulus cheque era

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as for you assuming i looked up some tweet.. (made me laugh).. i used YOUR source of data about the ~$70b.. it was not some tweet i found it was from YOUR link YOU posted as part of your debunk rebuttal post several posts ago

and i replied that its either alot of identity thieves or alot of internal fraud within the department

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now can you please hesitate from just clicking the reply button.. dont get emotional thinking you have got to reply without thinking.. and instead take a few minutes to let the information settle in. make yourself a coffee, sit back and think further, and then when ready to sit at the computer again. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE learn words like "mandatory spending" and "appropriations"
look them up, learn them. realise the SS department process

and realise there is wastage and fraud within the SS system internally and externally and learn that the holes were not filled 2015-2023.. because the holes and issues were still found in 2025

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now lets deal with your emotional struggles about future topics you are itching to scream about

while you want to downplay a (atleast $70b(your number)) waste/fraud of SS.. which implicates bidens teams ineptness/ignorance to fix. trying to say its minuscule.. trying to get people to drop that line of investigation/research (your brush under the rug attempt was obvious)
yet on this topic you want to join the cry choir of loudly exaggerating that elon got (only a few) $billions from carbon credits.. and deserves having all his vehicles destroyed (you hope people dont turn around and harm millionaire dems mansions if they seen how much the dems syphoned out the system)

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just wait until your script writers tell you to cry about the spaceX financial demands to get people back from the ISS
you will scream and have baby tantrums that its not the low cost of a small town taxi ride.... but between $200m-$900m
.. but just wait until i highlight to you the wastage of NASA who denied sending a rocket to the ISS to get them back for months, but still asked for $20b+ this year

That's even worse because you obviously can't read even when the information is handed to you.

Pretty much everything you posted about how the SSA works is wrong. "Mandatory spending" doesn't mean what you think it does. There are no appropriations for payouts to SS recipients. SSA doesn't get a trillion dollar a bag of money that they absolutely have to pay out or spend on blow and hookers. They must (therefore "mandatory") pay every eligible recipient, not based on some nebulous "database" of dead people. And you still don't understand basic percentages. I did notice that the more wrong you are, the longer your walls of text get, so please don't disappoint with your next one, thank you very much.

Sorry to jump in, but I thought I was the only one who thought Franky got a fenomenal proportion of things wrong. Glad to know I am not alone on this.


Let's say that is true, as you do not publish any source nor the site - I think that if I were JD Vance would say this is absolutely american and healthy excercise of the freedom of expression and freedom of information that the US is so recommending to others.

But do not worry, there is a good solution for this and it is sold at your local Tesla dealership:

https://compote.slate.com/images/749a340c-6fb1-467a-8efa-837baf805cd5.jpeg?crop=1560%2C1040%2Cx0%2Cy0

You can also get a more protective one, also at your local dealership or by the usual ebay and the like...

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f6c0bd36b6b05146bd753ec47197117c4c2c55cf/0_0_1500_900/500.jpg?quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=e3c6e4adfb721b06c08eff1f3999634a

Repent and you will be spared from someone elses freedom of expression spray-applied to you Tesla.

But nobody can tell when a billionaires actions are really greed based. Most of us want more money, even though we may not be greedy. So why pick on Tesla and Musk? Aren't other manufacturers of just about anything just as greedy?

We're not greedy. So let us all just quit working for a living and go home. Let's quit and go home... at least until the food runs out.

That's all that Musk was/is doing. He saw what he thought was a good deal, and took action... not greedy, but just as any of the rest of us would.

8)

suchmoon has such lack of grasping terminology and methodology of how SS dep even gets a 'bag of money' to a sizable tune to even have enough to waste, steal, syphon or payout to fraudsters. it needs to be spelled out to him in depth at lowering levels of intelligence until he understands, then we can move the topic along to the actual spending/wasting/fraud part.. but he keeps having issues with the first part and cant accept common sense stuff


you are so wrong on so many levels
the reason i have to write more "walls of text", is because i have to repeat myself because your mis clarifications show your still not reading things or researching things right so you need correcting repeatedly

firstly i never said appropriations were related to amounts for SS active claimant recipients(retirement citizens) payments.. only you are concluding that because you have not done any research and you are not even reading whats actually wrote, you just dont like the answer so say something silly and pretend its what i must have meant(in your mind)

 i said about the SS departments BUDGET before it even gets to the part of the month/year of having to pay out to claiming citizens. and yes the SS dep does get a huge budget ("bag of money") to set themselves up at start of the year ready to then distribute later

the SS dep has to get the money first and its based on (cant believe im repeating this) how many people are at or above retirement age even if they have or have not filed a claim. which means the active SSN's even above 130yr old becomes a measure of budget needed

ive had to repeat it many times including having to remind you what direction time flows
the SS  DEPARTMENT cant pay a retired citizen fresh claim mid year before the SS department gets the money in the SS DEPARTMENTS OWN BUDGET first
so the appropriations part is the SS departments budget at year start.... not the citizen recipient payment months afterwards
(common sense must hit you atleast, even if you dodge physics)

the mandatory spend is not some designation specific to SS dep saying the SS has to pay all eligible claimants(because SS actually does throw people off of benefits alot, yep people taken off disability and told they are fit for work.. yep people are not guaranteed payments forever)
mandatory spend is a category fed sets for departments where the department cant have any funds left over from the fiscal years appropriations
EG if there was money left over it would be classed as profit. so the department has to get it down to a zero balance at the end of the year to avoid anyone looking too close

just look at the many gov departments that do certain things near end of fiscal year..
EG for instance transport departments suddenly deal with road maintenance near year-end to a large degree of workmen not seen the previous months
EG you see latest range of car fleets near fiscal year end...
EG if really greedy, you see they reassess disabled people as fit for work to get an excess(suggesting they need to cut budget mid year as reason) but then near year end they are on spending spree of new office stuff and company cars
(dont worry US is not alone in this game)
(you soon spot which departments have a mandatory spend based on how suddenly they go on a spending spree near year end)

if the SS department had money left over it would show as if they didnt do their job right in budget calculations or spending arrangements by possibly not paying out pensions correctly or overstating the budget need at the start. which would effect the next years budget and drag in the inspectors to audit them, but if they zero out their account it looks like a well designed budget so no one looks twice. and thats how they gamed the system for years

so they department would spend it all. even if there were not enough real life human claimants to take the money
but also yes there is usually enough scam artists and identity thieves to take the money so that getting to zero by year end is not a hard task, its why they dont look too hard at thieves and scams. just look into how the many scams of the covid stimulus cheques were not looked deeply into.

because once the SS dep gets the funds (bag of money) they think its their entitlement and not something they need to pay back any excess back to the fed at the end of the year, they dont try to actually economise their internal budget to get an excess. they instead see there is money at the end of the year left and spend it by upgrading the office or fleet(if ID thieves havnt made false claims to spend it)

can you atleast try for once to actually hesitate from just striking the reply button to sound like an idiot and atleast try to learn a few words and learn the processes of a topic you want to involve yourself with

i gave you a chance already. i even spelled it out for you.. but no you just read the post hit the reply and made yourself sound even more silly
next time atleast try to learn a thing or two before replying

and yes there are identity thieves that used old SSN's of people who should have had their SSN aged out in death along time ago so its not all internal fraud, but also explains why SS department didnt just delete the SSN of colonial aged people of 130-300yr old

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either way. the amount of fraud and wastage is not something to brush under the rug
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its funny how im actually giving you the words and terminology, yet you are just acting silly and ignorant. jsut repeating what you read on some dem loving website
you have not done any research or found the terminology. so it makes you look silly even more

but hey brush it under the rug.. act like more than $70b(your number, but emphasis on the 'more than') is nothing for people to care about and should just forget and not look twice at..
but i know already your ignorant tricks because i've seen your fellow dems do it already, you are like a scripted puppet, your next debate as seen by others acting as silly as you on the topic of SS waste/fraud. you dem script reciting crew cry blue murder after this topic that elon got a couple billion from carbon tax and a few billion from providing actual cars fleets to let state/national gov employee's drive around in a 'company car'. and you want everyone to look at it deeply and think that a few billion is MASSIVE

go on, admit it
you want to brush $70b + under the rug 'coz dems get it'
you want to scream loudly of smaller amount 'coz elon received it'

No, you didn't... you were talking about the $70 billion and the dead people as if the payments for those come from "appropriations", now you googled a bit and figured out that appropriations only apply to the administrative budget. Which is like ~1% of the payouts, so for it to amount to ~1% of "fraud and waste" almost the entire thing would have to be total fraud and waste, just that fact alone should have raised some questions for you but of course it didn't because you're trying to fit a narrative.

Anyway, fun fact for you that I'd like to see another wall of text about. Guess what happens if you cut SSA staff and/or reduce SSA budget. I know you're gonna make it sound like they'll just have less money for hookers and blow, but the reality is that most of the budget goes to mundane things that make the system work, like customer service, and shockingly... fraud prevention. But we don't need that because we have world's richest 12-year-old memelord solving all that with a couple of tweets.

You can legally and rightfully protect your private property from these people though. Elon Musks boring company used to make flamethrowers but the only issue would be damaging the paintwork on your vehicle while you light up those purple haired freaks. Maybe get a good dog and house it in the garage with your vehicle but then again they probably would poison the poor creature and burn down the garage. Yes these are the days when good is called evil and evil called good unfortunately.

I find it weird that you are willing to spread the name of that website if you are a target. But i feel sorry for you, and hopefully you renewed your insurance (https://insideevs.com/news/753730/tesla-insurance-vandalism-elon-musk/) already, as it seems like it might get expensive soon.

If trump would be consistant about this with his views about the January 6. riots, he would see these people just spreading love and call this event day of love as well.
Also, i doubt it's even liberals doing this. Republicans have hated EVs for a long time and there are ton of disappointed mislead republican voters out there.

He is probably not a target. Many people who bought an electric car before Elon started malfunctioning were those actually concerned the the environment and that have enought information about climate change, how it happens and what is about to happen now that US and China do not care about it.

So, please, spray the Teslas, but be mindful that the owner may actually be absolutely fine people. Use your pacific freedom of expresion on the dealerships, that actually may get the message across.

???

If you don't like DOGE, then why harm Tesla drivers and dealerships?

It makes no sense. You're probably shaving just ~$1,000,000,000 from Elon's net worth, while hurting countless middle-class people who buy his stuff.

the high level dems dont want to personally get in trouble slapping elon personally within the halls of government. so they try to make it trendy on social media for zombie sheep cult members of dems (low level iq followers of dems) to do their bidding,

its like the influencers that got idiots to do the "infinite money trick" which is criminal theft from banks. due to some influencer who is anti-bank, but too scared personally to do anything to banks, so uses his influence on naive followers

its like the high level politicians influencers that have a LGBTQ kink that made 'transitioning' trendy. trying to get little kids to mess with their genitals and stop puberty

there are high level psycho's around that use social media to influence the naive to do things that harm other innocent people
heck even trump had influencers and people around him that tried to make eating lightbulbs and drinking bleach cool and trendy a few years ago

america is a weird place these days(well more than days, decades) seems america has a high amount of ease to create cults of naive followers compared to other countries that use common sense and can see passed the stupidity

it seems many people whom are naive will do anything their social media influencer says, thinking if their influencer said it then it must be legal and safe and immune from prosecution.... only later to find out the hard way their influencer used and abused them and now the naive follower is in trouble legally or healthwise

common sense has been on the decline in america, as the amount of cults has been on the increase.. it must be something in the water or food that dumbs americans down compared to other countries

That sounds like incitement to criminal damage and acts of domestic terrorism ^

Tesla stock dropping is the market responding naturally to public sentiment. That's how capitalism is supposed to work. We don't need to resort to criminal acts to make our point. The legitimate protests and declining sales numbers are already sending the message.

Paxmao: Problem with civil unrest, is that you don't get to control it. We just wish it would be sophisticated enough to target people responsible, but in reality it will leak everywhere and everyone will suffer as byproduct. This will result increase police funding and in worst case can ultimately lead to martial law.

But if when they start to jail political opponents, i am assuming that martial law wouldn't be enough. Because it's not just the liberals fighting back. And i am guessing it wouldn't look like Civil War (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17279496/) - the movie, but way more brutal.

Raj222222: Out of curiosity, how is inciting to spray cars domestic terrorism, but actually regularly doing mass / school shootings isn't? Is it because guns aren't involved in car spraying?

Also what i am wondering is the hypocrisy of everyone acting shocked about this. What did you think is going to happen? Were you counting on the idea that consequences wouldn't affect you? Party that wears t-shirts saying "f* your feelings." and party that sees empathy as a sickness is calling for empathy now. Honestly, you are lucky if this culminates to some Teslas being sprayed and burned.

Since USA hasn't learned from the history, it's probably fitting them cutting their public education, because that ensures history repeating itself. Only problem is that Trump ordered 1939 Germany, but he seems to get 1789 France instead.

Hopefully we don't need to see that, and there are civil ways this can be disputed. But all i am seeing is trump cabinet is breaking laws every day and there's no responsibility, because oversight has been dismantled as well.

We could see the price depreciating more because I think Elon really went too far. A lot of people are really angry at him which he need to do us on his business rather than trying to control Mr President. He really benefited from the government and now he thinks he could just control every single penny because of the access he was given. I never supported the act of burning down some carriage that houses Tesla cars. I think he would have realized that his actions had cost a lot of people their jobs acting like the Messiah that would safe the American people from excessive budget allocation and wastage.

Because under new proposals it will come under that umbrella but in theory it currently is due to the fact it encourages the trend we are now seeing whereby dealerships are specifically being targeted due to the relationship between their products and the manufacturer of said products simply because the owner of Tesla is coordinating government business and the attack is due to this relationship so these are not random attacks but coordinated mass attacks on property. Right now at least this is highly coordinated criminal damage with incitement by third parties further encouraging others to take part in such criminal damage. The dealerships and insurance companies who will have to foot the bill are also under attack by default along with employees of affected companies and customers and even service providers downstream so are effectively being "terrorized". The OP is obviously just giving their opinion but in a very foolish way.

The question re: mass sh00tings is a good question and I am sure if someone had some type of manifesto whereby they specifically were targeting these locations on account of a specific segment of the population based on their religious beliefs or color etc then they could indeed be prosecuted under such legislation.

Hope this helps.

This is not me, and this is not about DOGE. Elon has tweeted several times against the democratically elected governments of other countries - using at full his freedom and power - to promote the emerging techno-fascist supremacy and the non-techno fascists groups in Germany.

By expressing clearly the people's opinion in his dealeships you do not hurt the middle class - they can go work for someone else, there are many car brands. You do not hurt Elon's fortune massively either, but he may get the warning of how ugly things may get if he behaves like a nazi.


It is exactly the opposite, people refusing to be treated like zombie sheeps and not necesarily Democrats - there are many Republicas who voted Trump while trying not to breath through the nose.

Nothing wrong with DOGE per say, the issue at hand is cancel someones lunch money and then take that persons tax money and put it in the own pocket
Most people would not say anything if it was done proper, starting at home base, leading with example.
Any Subsidy is taking good sound money and give it to underperforming enterprises. Is a govenment funded scam.

Best video i've seen to date is the dude sticking his finger up his bum hole and then touching the door handle.

In other news, it might be funny for psychopaths and a fake shooting is also no laughing matter
https://x.com/AntiTrumpCanada/status/1902709565247910392

really...
then how come the vandals are not the "newly unemployed" democrat of some gov job they no longer work at.. but instead just a voter of a dem
its like 2021... trump incited the capitol riot, but trump made sure he didnt enter the capitol himself, and the same evening he was already saying he never was involved in it..

so the new 'capitalist riots' again incited by dem politicians, but none of the politicians will be holding the Molotov cocktails
(adam lansky(molotov guy), not a gov politician but is a democrat voter)
oh
and by the way the dems that are starting the campaigns who fear losing their jobs dont actually lose it instantly. they get to have many months vacation with full pay, more then enough time to call in favours from their corporate buddies to get a job in the private sector before or by october

so when you think that you as a voter of the dems are doing the criminal damage on behalf of and to show loyalty to your dem cult leader. just remember your cult leader will be getting an income until september and wont be homeless, they will have a job come october when the severance run out and while your in lock-up waiting for your court date..
they will be enjoying their paid break until september free to do as they want..... but yea, you go vandalise a business for someone else.. enjoy prison food, because the dem gov employee you think you are doing it for, wont be bailing you out and holding your hand in court. best you can hope for is they win 2028 and pardon you in 2029.. enjoy 4 years next to bubba

The irony in this statement is that before Musk became a celebrated right-wing figure, anyone owning an electric vehicle would have been considered a woke pussy by the same people worshipping Musk and Trump.

irony in this statement is those woke pussy climate activists that want to play homage to their DEI employed influencers, sent more hazardous gases into the air by molovoving the cars in one weekend, than the cars would have emitted by driving them for 10 years

side note.. prius and tesla are not the best cars anyway although most popular in the US.. there are other EV brands that do better, im not buying nor have bought a tesla, though did test drive one and researched reviews, and i was not inspired to buy.

Speaking about dem cult leaders is kinda hypocritical. Remember that cult leader who is currently in charge, who tried to prevent the peaceful transition of power? The one who incited a riot where multiple police officers got traumatic brain injuries, cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs while one of them lost an eye?

Mob that had pipe bombs and stole from the offices and defecated in them and wanted to hang the VP?.

Compared to that, there are no Dem gov leaders that have incited anyone to go vandalize teslas. These people are doing it because they are angry and if you don't get why, i guess it's because of the same reason why you didn't see this coming. No one in the Dem gov are even debating if this is righteous or justified. No one of them are gaslighting that this isn't happening either unlike trump did with Jan 6th.

Imho US can consider themselves lucky if this anger sticks into teslas, as those Teslas have insurances, and they don't get traumatized from this.

The fact that trump was too scared to join the mob isn't in any way relevant btw.

your justification: "their insured"
your righteousness: "the drivers wont be traumatised"
your gaslighting that it didnt happen: "no dem politician incited anyone"*

for me both the capitol riot and the capitalist riot are bad.. but if the constitution allows people to hold their government accountable and people should be able to revolt against the government.. then wouldnt raiding the capitol(public government building) be more justified as a political direct action of revolt.. than multiple private dealerships and damaging private car owners of innocent people and businesses.

im saying those who caused damage in both cases of 2021 and 2025 of both sides are a few [brain]cells short of a hemp plant.. but when looking at the 'justification' of target and the influencers that pushed the idiots into it. the dems were involved and not soo innocent.

*dems calls for targeting elon musk.. no talk of going to court or doing petitions(lawful actions) to actually stop the departments that actually were involved like the OPM(office of personnel management) that authorised the resignation plans.. oops dems dont know that it wasnt just elon on a whim, but actually was a planned and legal cutting of budget and jobs by department heads. yep, the office of personnel management have that power

anyway if you want to see the peaceful dems talking politely and calmly of using the law.. you wont find it in this link, you will see the dems riling up their fanbase against musk to fight on the streets and to bring the fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVqvwRlJ36o
when you hear a dem politicians shout "the power is with the people" they are saying 'hey idiots do things for us so we can keep our hands clean'
16:52 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=MD_hD0KcLcQ_oY_2&t=1012) - "when the people fight.. when the people fight.. when the people fight"
19:20 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=nGz2-KeRQnivgG6T&t=1160) - 'now is the time to organise, to mobilise and take back our country'
33:25 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=ZdxBJXzLk81NcMbr&t=2005) - 'this is no longer business as usual, we will speak out, rally, power a movement across this country'
34:31 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=oSkgy2Y4mo6WSPmM&t=2071) - 'its not complicated, its not hard to design, we got one message, tell elon to get his hands off your money'
37:50 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=qDj2bCj6be59ASKz&t=2270) - 'are we going to fight the fight, are we going to win the fight, are we not going to rest until we win'
38:17 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=sYhgE5mDNBsZt5MW&t=2297) - 'we cannot let elon behind closed doors take away our privacy, take away our money'
elon is not taking away citizens privacy or money.. just the wasteful spending of dems, just the private deals of politicians side hustles
politicians should be open, transparent and accountable, not private.. funnily elon is not doing secret stuff he is blasting everything out openly on his doge twitter and site

its funny how they say elons owns america and all peoples data and stealing peoples money..
yet they dont name the lady(samantha power) who was playing with USAID funds to the tune of hundreds of billions for her LGBTQ woke leaning friends
elon is not even writing cheques to people in his elite circle, he is stopping cheques from being cashed in other dem dei elite circles

as for data its funny because the data is in the US department of digital services, and still is and always was and its that department that is 'doge'. so its still fed employees sifting through the data where  the employees did get vetted and finally actually doing their job, sorting out the digital data

elon is just a consultant not the guy at every computer. when "doge" goes to other departments, is not elon solo. its actually government department employees like auditors, OPM and other fed department workers

now watch the video again at how they dont mention the government departments actually inspecting other departments for wasted resources. and instead inciting fighting talk against musk

44:26 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=RIIVUc3pFND0XCdV&t=2666) - "(point at gov building)this is not the room where it will happen . .. (points forward to the street) this is where it will happen, its going to happen on the streets"

47:27 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=hs846oqzwZMLuiS4&t=2846) - "we will match your energy, with unprecedented organising, mobilising, agitating, we will see you in the courts, in congress, in the streets.. elon is a nazi liberal baby, godless lawless billionaire"

47:50 (https://youtu.be/IVqvwRlJ36o?si=hs846oqzwZMLuiS4&t=2846) - "elon this is not your trashy cybertruck you can dismantle, pick apart and sell the pieces of. and i want to say to my republican colleagues pay attention because today i hope you see the light, but if you do not see the light, we will bring the fire

False. I didn't justificate anything. You didn't  I just compared these 2 events, and i haven't yet seen any proof dem politicians inciting anyone.

Nonsense. There are multiple lawsuits against doge / Elon already, but that's a slow process, and ton of stuff gets reversed by judges, soon after doge tried to tear apart everything. But since Trump administration is destroying the evidence, lying about the results, kicking off the oversight that normally could act, people need to be mobilized fast to contact their representatives and keep up heat.

What's that newspeak you are going for? If you need to decipher meanings between the lines to get some smoking gun, it resembles more of a conspiracy theory thinking, where you need to redefine words to fit your narrative.

Right, maybe give me direct link to each point on your text, because all that sounds as credible as their "transgender mices" :D.

Digital data containing specific words, cutting research they don't understand, because you know, they are just bunch of kids.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/24/lSb22.png
I did. Musk is dangerous. Should they lie about it like trump? There's no ex president saying that they won this election by a landslide. Or questioning the legitimacy of the elections. Do you know how mad that would drive people who believed it? Or is it just MAGAs who are entitled to get that mad?

I see nothing in this video that isn't normal agitated protest talk. You think that they should be singing kumbaya or something with smiling faces, when republicans take their right for their own bodies? That cuts 9/11 first responders' heath program and veterans benefits and jobs based on made up reasons?
Why wouldn't they be mad when president, who is criminal who is pardoning other criminals if destroying the US. Why would protesters need to act like some extreme peaceful buddhas in this double standard?

I am sure that you are aware how protests work. They happen in the streets. Honestly i am surprised, considering how US has dealt with polarization in the past, that this hasn't escalated way further.

I would like to say something about the impact you mentioned on Elon Musk's business and the activities of his Tesla company. Tesla's stock market is suffering badly for many reasons, the most notable of which is Elon Musk's personal initiative and the intense competition in the market.

Currently, many other brands of electric cars like Tesla have come to the market in the car market management. The quality of which is almost close to Tesla.

Since Tesla does not have a single dominance, many company shareholders may sell their shares, which may be a cause of concern for Tesla.

I can’t believe that liberals are so trigger over electric cars suddenly that the FBI has to spend time investigating all these morons committing crimes while being recorded. Every day I wake up to a society more and more like Idiocracy. I can only imagine what we have in store for us next time these idiots get a taste of power.

a. they went to court finger pointing at trump or elon.. yet the "firing" if they had a clue was done by the OPM and each departments head, which didnt fire people on the spot, but instead gave them 8 months severance if they didnt want to go back to the workplace(all perfectly legal and proper).
   - this means they didnt actually accuse the right department, and instead done a frivolous lawsuit, they are not actually using the law to stop actual illegal things, they are just using it as a attack tool on two personalities

b. if you watch the video again you will see a couple times they incite to "close the senate" and if you look at all the dem shouts about "shutting down government" over the budget talks recently, it was the dems that said the medicaid/medicare budget needs to be slashed to avoid a government shutdown triggered by the dems.
  - so again the side that is calling out all this stuff got it wrong again. the current administration did not want to, nor has cut benefits to veterans or disabled or elderly. it was the dems trying to do that but then push the blame/accusations across to the other side

c. "kicking off the oversight", well their sight for 5 years has been blind so their roles are over and done with for incompetence, replaced by new people that can and do do the job. yep finding waste in 2025 means those "oversight" inspectors of old administration were lacking in their duties and deserve to be let go
  - if all you care about is dems keeping their job even when they have shown incompetence in their duties, then i do hope you never become a manager of any personnel. your business or service will go bankrupt before ever being profitable

d. "destroying the evidence". thats funny, so how come they have twitter and websites available to "show the receipts".. but where were the receipts of the last administration whom did actually hide their actions.. EG did you even know the name samantha powers before 2025. did you even know the amounts wasted before 2025, did you even know money was going into experiments on mice genitals before 2025?

e. when they mention the "suffragettes got back up" did you know what actually happened and how policies, laws, regulations, regimes actually changed in the past. yep it wasnt the violence and chanting on the streets. it was actually through petitions.. yep the protests on the street was just publicity stunts. the actual way to change a government is via petitions, and getting the courts and congress/senate to change things on paper.. not bung up the court system with frivolous cases of personality conflicts, not shut down the capital, not chant and wiggle their walking sticks around

f. when they say "trump wants tax cuts for the rich" the tax cuts that actually were proposed are that the poor who have to work for tips and have to work by the hour and need overtime to just survive got the tax cuts, and those are well deserved tax cuts..
the rich have never paid true rate tax anyway in the past, so their rate is meaningless, but i dont see any proposal to cut that.
the actual talk at the moment is to get the spending down first

heres a good thing to try
take your mind away from taking sides(personality/party bias). pretend that its not a game about taking sides.. pretend you dont care about dems as a possible presidential administration. and actually think about the workings of government as a whole. their over all function of representing the people no matter the side.. and the spending of people hard earned salaries that are taxed no matter the side.
think about the actual wasteful spending on government employees that are incompetent, think about the money wasted on projects that dont benefit people

if all you want to do is argue just to keep a dem in a job even if the dem in question is not doing their job to benefit the citizens. then you are more of the problem, not the solution
dont feel sorry for a dem losing their job just because they lost their job.. actually look at the why
having a public sector job is a not a guaranteed lifetime career, people can be replaced. dont feel sorry for a dem just because they lost their job and were replaced. realise the dems messed up, wasted resources.. and realise now the dead wood is being cut, fresh fruit can grow

truly ask yourself
do you want a truly better government thats more efficient with your taxes. or just want a government thats headed up by a personality you like

This is so funny. Even Musk is laughing. https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/522-0324152722-images-3.jpg


Elon Musk Disguises IRS Building As Tesla Dealership So Democrats Will Burn It Down (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/376844-2025-03-24-elon-musk-disguises-irs-building-as-tesla-dealership-so-democrats.htm)

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https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-musk-disguises-irs-building-as-tesla-dealership-so-democrats-will-burn-it-down
The billionaire inventor and entrepreneur hatched the genius plan to cover the main IRS building with Tesla emblems and signage, which goaded angry Democrats to launch a large-scale firebomb attack against the building.

"This'll show Musk who's boss! Burn it to the ground!" one enraged leftist reportedly shouted before throwing a Molotov cocktail through a window of the IRS building. "This looks different from any other Tesla dealership I've ever seen. It's almost like a really old government building. Oh well. It's all got to go. Everything he owns must be destroyed."

When reached for comment, Musk was quietly pleased that his plan had worked. "It was quite a simple idea, really," he said. "If Democrats are trying to burn down anything belonging to me, why not redirect that anger in a useful way to burn down something that should be demolished? For the cost of a few Tesla signs, we've now freed the American people from the terrible burden of excessive taxation. Ironically, once the rubble of the IRS building is cleared, we will, in fact, build an enormous new Tesla dealership in its place."

At publishing time, reports had circulated that the U.S. Capitol would be next to be disguised as a Tesla dealership in a plot to round up and imprison Democrats for attempting a violent insurrection.
... (https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-musk-disguises-irs-building-as-tesla-dealership-so-democrats-will-burn-it-down)

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There's no need to burn or destroy anything, just to use the freedom of speach - preferably loudly - in front of the dealerships. If someone decides to spray paint a message on a Tesla, well, it is also a way of excercising freedom but it may carry some penalties.

Nah, much better to simply go and have a permanent protest in the door of all dealerships. Cars are not that different from each other and even a small protest may drive buyers to any other alternative brand. Tesla is not that good and ugly it is certainly.


Sure, have your government and your narrative on how the poor are going to benefit from having a government of billionaires. Someone may believe you.

Meanwhile, the people you call zombies are actually not letting themselves be treated as such.

i do have to agree its not worth buying a tesla, there are many issues and other brands function/look better.. however

but tell me
when did trumps admin ever say they will cut benefits and medicaid and medicare
what tax cuts have actually been proposed to be cut(on tips, overtime)
.. doesnt sound like things that benefit billionaires, but does sound like things that benefit the poor

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now lets look at the dems old and current proposals. shut down government if medicaid/medicare was not slashed.
add more tax loopholes for the rich..
hmmm. seems like the dems are more suckling on the billionaire teet. benefitting the rich

..
anyways
if you think that chanting beside dealerships and destroying private businesses and personal cars is the method to change a government. you have learned nothing from history

the "boston tea party" story of the escalation to the american revolution, didnt actually win by dunking tea into the water.. but if you actually research real history. the US petitioned the british..
the suffragettes didnt win 'votes for women' by protesting and clanging their chained wrists against gates and fences in public streets.. they won by petitioning the government

what media and silly politicians want to tell idiots is to riot/protest on the streets to create change, because it creates clickbait news.. however the real way to create government change is if the masses petition and redress their government
petitions and progress in government just isnt as exciting a story to tell the populous that media want to buy their newspapers and subscriptions, so all you hear about is the clickbait stuff of dramatic activity. not the real legal things in the background that actually result in changes

most people are not told of the methods to actually change government. because thats what certain people want, ignorance

if you are being told to go to a dealership and cause trouble.. your influencer is trying to get you in trouble knowing that the actions they tell you to do is not actually going to bring government change

so the whole "not in this room but on the streets" and "bring the fire" and "fight" talk is not about changing or fixing government. its about causing you to become a criminal

It's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trpq1z7yWZ8&ab_channel=DailyExpress  (and it's "transgenic" mice. We are living in in the prequel to Idiocracy google it, I used to think it was a hilarious movie.)
and this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/03/yes-biden-spent-millions-on-transgender-animal-experiments/

Trump wants to classify vandalizing Tesla dealerships as "domestic terrorism" (check his speeches and social media). Luigi isn’t just being charged with murder—it’s also the "T" word.

This is oppression of the working class disguised as protection. The systematic erosion of our solidarity—especially through campaigns targeting people of color—is nothing new, but it is absolutely shameful.

Government was bought and paid for long before Citizens United, but that decision sealed the deal. Right now, "We the People" have more power as consumers than as citizens, and that is deeply twisted. Christianity and patriotism have been co-opted by conservatives. Education is being mocked. This fear-driven backlash against "wokeism" should be a wake-up call. When we protect the liberties of the most vulnerable, we are protecting our own—and that has the 1% in full pushback mode.

If we had taught actual history in schools, we wouldn’t be here now. Government would be regulating large corporations instead of US its people.

There’s no denying that Musk has brought brilliant innovations into existence or that Amazon provides an outstanding service that objectively improves lives. But the idea that these benefits must come at the cost of the working class is absolute BS.

The price has risen up quite a bit today, I think it doesn't have much effect of recovering in the long term. If we can't stabilize the sentiment when people's sentiment goes in the opposite direction, a temporary increase in share prices will not give good results in the long term.

Elon Musk's share price has fallen significantly due to his extensive involvement in politics. Especially since he has moved beyond American politics to play a direct role in the politics of Europe and other countries, his share price has started to fall significantly. Investor anger is basically an important reason for this share price decline. Moreover, there is a possibility of further decline in the future. Elon Musk's Tesla's biggest customer is the United States, and after that, China is considered to be the biggest market for his Tesla, but recently, Tesla's big competitor BYD has emerged. Their technology is better than Tesla. That is why Tesla's share price will continue to decline further in the future.

Ironically, competition against Tesla as a brand is more a significant threat against his share price than It is the involvement of Elon Musk in American politics and geopolitics.
China is faster, cheaper and have a huge reserve on minerals which are needed to create electric cars.
Elon Musk needs both the market of the USA and also the market in China, but China does not need Elon Musk, they already have brands liked Xiaomi which are closely linked to the Chinese communist party and have no link to a lobbyist like Elon Musk.

Also, I think it is kind of crazy of people are willing to risk prison time for the sake of setting ablaze some Tesla vehicles on some dealers on the United States. As if distraction of property as a legitimate way to protest...

It is due to Tesla "disclosing" a self driving software for China. There is always a plan B you know? I wonder how much exposure to China is Musk going to get, because it will certainly be gronw by the CCP for as long a as necessary and when the knot is tight enough... just a bit of a pull a they will own Musk's Tesla.

He is malfunctioning and should be retired to a crazyhouse for rewiring.

its not "kind of crazy of people are willing to risk" ,, its definitely the crazy kind of people are willing to risk

thats the idiocy of it
when people fangirl over idols and influencers too much, they will do anything for them, thinking that because their influencer told them to do it, it must be permission and treated like legal immunity, and their idol cares for them and wont want to se them harmed or in trouble, so if they said do it, it must be ok

(same goes for the idiots eating lightbulbs and drinking bleach in first few months of covid(the trumpette flanclub))

but those who dont get easily lead by influencers know the world does not work like that

idiots that do things their influencers say would jump off a bridge if their influencer asked because they think their influencer saying "jump" gives them the safety of some invisible bungee rope, by thinking "well my influencer would not wish me harm so he must know best and know it wont hurt".. but the idiot that day only gets to know two things, their influencer doesnt care.. and the last sound they ever hear being "splat"

adam lansky (tesla molotov guy) went full on 'do as the dems say'.. he went full trans when dems went DEI.
yep from childhood to mid thirties he acted and looked and dressed as a male(as his birth notes he is) but as soon as the dems got into the white house 2021 he went woke and dressed as a woman chanting anti trump stuff,
checking his social media of the last 10 years you can see he was trying to get noticed by anyone that could listen/see him.
he tried to get noticed in church communities, by teaching, by trying to be in a band, by trying acting. all without success

Who knows... perhaps those incidents are self-provoked so that Elon has a justification for the government to intervene. There is absolutely no need to burn any dealer of Tesla factory, it is a simple of having a permanent protest in from of the shops and use the freedom of speach to inform future buyers of what is cooking inside and how they are contributing to the techno-feudalism.

you keep thinking elon is vice president and will send military forces to bomb protestors

elon is an adviser on a 180 day contract. he HAS TO speak to actual government departments and work with them to get them to do things.
such as elon did not write emails to all fed staff to respond him with 5 tasks last week or get fired..
he did not gather secrets of government work tasks

instead he spoke with the OPM(office of personnel management) whom spoke to heads of all departments. and then the OPM sent an email to employees asking the employees to respond to the OPM and cc their department heads.
then the OPM and department heads work together to create a short list of known employees that respond and show they are doing something they are suppose to do. and work out if there are any employees that are just absent or unable to show work produced that benefits the gov/citizens

the so called elons doge group. actually has an origin of the us department of digital services which already had vetted staff that had access to certain digital services, and they all report to certain other departments. elon reports all his idea's and activities to departments and trump

so when media pretend elon is some vice president pulling puppet strings or acting like elon is the chainsaw a puppet holds and is cutting his own strings to go on a uncontrolled rampage.. thats not the case at all

as for molotov guy, he is not someone that owns a tesla nor is/was a government employee
his gripe is about how his DEI loving dems are no longer in power, he went full trans because the dems told him too. so obviously hearing the dems chant "on the streets, bring the fire" he would take it too literally.. in short, complete nutcase that would jump if the dems asked

These liberals are getting crazier and crazier each day. I definitely didn’t think they’d be protesting electric cars and carving swasticas onto people’s property but it seems these mentally ill folks are even worse than I imagined. They’re mad that government waste and fraud is being stopped. You can’t make this up. Liberals absolutely hate America.

things to consider:

A. elon only has a special employee/consultant contract of 130 days. so lets see if the dems can wait until july 21st
B. when psycho's burn/destroy, scratch a tesla. the owner goes through the car owners private insurance.. ALL premiums of all cars go up in the neighbourhood due to raised arson risk in the area. so all premiums increase (shoot self in foot dems)
    - so dems are causing all citizens rise in costs of all insurance premiums, in area's near a damaged tesla owner or dealership
    - also the insurer then pays tesla repair centre to repair or replace.
    - so dems are causing tesla to get more money for the acts caused by dems

so again. all the dems have to do is wait until july 21st and elon is no longer under contract to consult Us gov  

This is the start of the end of the Tesla vandalism. It wouldn't even be so bad if it was only vandalism, but it is beginning to hurt people who simply drive Teslas. There are organizers and funders of this activity. Musk and government know who they are, and government is coming for them.


“I Hope They See This Segment” — Elon Musk Reveals He and Team Trump Have Identified the “Generals” Orchestrating the Violent Tesla Attacks (VIDEO) (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/377240-2025-04-01-i-hope-they-see-this-segment-elon-musk-reveals-he.htm)

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/i-hope-they-see-this-segment-elon-musk/
Justice is coming for the radical leftists orchestrating the despicable attacks on Tesla behind the scenes with severe prison sentences on the table.

As The Gateway Pundit has reported, several attacks on Tesla owners, cars, and dealerships have been happening across the country in recent weeks.

During one incident, a disgruntled Musk and Trump hater accidentally set himself on fire while torching Tesla charging stations in South Carolina. Another attack involved an individual setting several Tesla vehicles ablaze two weeks ago in Las Vegas.

But perhaps the worst incident of all occurred when a 61-year-old woman driving a Tesla was boxed in by a male driver and beaten by him while she was sitting in her car in Flagstaff, Arizona, earlier this month.

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FOX NEWS: "Do you know who the Generals are?"

ELON MUSK: "WE DO”

20+ YEARS MINIMUM IN PRISON
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Oh how I wish some liberal would assault me while I'm in my Cybertruck.  The beating that followed would certainly make the news and maybe it would help deter some of these incidents going forward.  I think these liberals are carefully choosing their targets for this type of harassment, and I don't blame them.  Even in the footage of them vandalizing you can see them sneaking around and making sure nobody is around.  These people think they're brave and honorable with what they're doing too...  Someone needs to catch one in the act and make an example out of them.

I heard that a couple of bruh's assaulted a white old lady in (fill in the city) while she was driving a (fill in non-Tesla brand) while (choose from: doing the shopping, taking a wrong left turn, going to Las Vegas, picking up children). And she was blonde - people are being violent agains the blond people not driving Tesla!!!!

Violence is simply not required. You just use your freedom of expresion for a couple of hours a day in front of your local Tesla dealership. That is more than enough to drive the sales down. BTW it seems that Toyota is doing well... I wonder why:

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-march-first-quarter-2025-u-s-sales-results/ (https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-march-first-quarter-2025-u-s-sales-results/)

while political puppet masters are influencing the puppets with "bring the fight to the streets" "bring the fire" and the puppets think because their idol politician said it, then it must be a immunity licence to do crime unpunished.. puppets do it and then realise their idol wont bail them out and suddenly realise their idol made them a criminal, and nothing has changed politically... so the effort didnt change the regime

what people need to learn is how to use their rights and not just protest. but petition their government.
protests dont change government. petitions do

people have the right to hold their government accountable, to petition(redress) their government.. which are far more powerful rights then "right to assemble" "freedom of expression"

note how those Dem political idols said the fight is not in the federal offices but instead on the streets.. heck even dems dont want political change. they just want chaos

reality is people do have power over their government. but not in the form of riots and street protests.. they need to redress their government in paper/legal form of petition, to hold their government accountable

this media play of only promoting assembly and expression is not good advice to those that want government change or accountability

Nope, it is perfectly fine to protest. It works perfectly well versus "petitioning" anything to Trump who is well known for not listening. I envy your sense of humour of your drug supplier of choice whe you wrote that.

That is how ti is - if you want to sell stuff to many people, you should not go around abusing them and if, like Elon, you think you are a superior being, you should at least have the courtersy of not making your flag of it.

That is how it is if you’re a weenie. If you’re a man you stand on your principles and let the consequences fall where they may. Elon will make the best cars and if people want the best cars they will buy them. It’s that simple. Elon also cares about humanity, so he’s doing the right thing to save it. He’s already rich. He doesn’t need to pretend that leftists aren’t mentally ill for money. 

I guess that makes Elon weenie-not-a-man, what with his whining on Fox News how people are hurting his fee-fees by saying mean things about him and his swasticars.

I am not very experienced in these political issues. But if there is a call for a boycott of Tesla, then there will definitely be some reaction here because before the boycott call started, Tesla shares have fallen by 5%, but if the call starts, it will definitely increase by a higher percentage. But since the issue is huge and it concerns the richest people here, I don't know exactly how far it will go because we are very small people, we can't even think much about this small brain.

Musk's complaints on the news are not only for himself and his businesses, but also for everybody who owns a business.

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What seems to have triggered the boycott was Elon Musk attempting to help with government efficiency via DOGE. This angered people who hate government efficiency because that is how they steal money. I think rather than being on the side of thieves who steal from public funds, I'll be on the side of the person preventing the theft, abuse, and waste of government funds for this specific topic. Government efficiency being a good thing isn't supposed to be controversial, but it is because of all the billionaires who are losing so many millions of dollars that they apparently fund domestic terrorism efforts and boycotts against Tesla. I'm not on the side of Elon Musk for some topics, but I'm definitely on his side when it comes to wanting public money to be spent efficiently.

If Tesla were not anti-right-to-repair then I'd hope more people would buy a Tesla. Sadly, Tesla is against people fixing their cars without their permission because of a mix of arrogance and greed. They will not sell Tesla parts to repair shops. There are actually good reasons to not buy a Tesla, but Musk bringing accountability to government is a reason to buy a Tesla rather than boycott a Tesla. 100% of respectable manufacturers offer repair parts at reasonable prices. If a manufacturer does not offer that, they are a disgrace, a shame. Much if not most of the time this is not capitalist in nature, but rather communist because of regulations that protect this behavior. I hate to bring up this issue because I know this post will be hated as it will be dissatisfying to both sides of the debate instead of just one, but it is a badge of shame on an otherwise good attempt at human civilization.

I think it’s stupid but it is mostly unhinged leftists. They always need something to display their insanity against. It will pass but for TESLA owners & shareholders, this will be a concerning time. TESLA stock will rise again though & the lunatics will move onto something else.

there actually are FBI (undercover and informants) within the protest groups, and they have already identified the protest organisers, and yes they are funded.. they induce their unhinged social groups 'friends' to go the extra level to turn to violence.. so its organised crime at the most modest description of whats happening,

Protesting is not a crime. Organised protest are not a crime. You just get in front of a dealership, one hour a day, coordinate non-violenly with others and that is more than enough to damage Tesla's sales.

All the rest is just stupidity by the same people who think that assaulting the Capitol to prevent a succession in the presidency is absolutely ok. Talking about double measures... well, what is left to say.

Protesting may not be a crime, but it may be a sin. Why? Because there are weak-minded people who will react violently in favor of the protests, thereby doing damage not only to Tesla's and Tesla owners, but to themselves... in the final analysis.

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PEACEFUL protests are not illegal.. and FBI dont care nor waste time infiltrating them nor look for the lead organisers of PEACEFUL PROTESTS
infact those in power/authority prefer peaceful protests rather than people doing political targetted petitions or taking authorities to court to seek real redress..
('hey kids dont come to mommy and daddy seeking approval/disapproval, instead you go play in the streets peacefully and dont bother anyone especially not us')

but the ones that are known to TURN TO VIOLENCE and known to be paid to be organised to TURN TO VIOLENCE are the ones the FBI are interested in, as those are th criminal organised ones

there are many "career protesters" that turn up to lots of different protests even ones that have opposing causes/political topics (they attend both Rep. and Dem protests) over the years, using intelligence of a black list of known aggressors, agitators from many other protests of other causes/political topics. the FBI infiltrate and gain trust within the ranks, join their social media chat groups to see where/when certain agitators will be, etc,  to get more intel
right now they are not only identifying the low level pawns/criminals that do the damage to follow their contacts list up.. but also following the money backwards of the organisers to see if they can find a politician with a big purse and a list of recruits with a action plan of violence

and yes the FBI had 'informants' within the trump rallies/fanclubs that lead to the capitol riot

I think that Elon has now been DOGED from the Trump adminstration. The process went like this:

- Trump got an email from Trump asking him what had he achieved this week.
- Elon answered "1- I critiziced your tariff policy, 2- My stock and sales went down, 3- I insulted a member of your cabinet, 4- I took something but I do not remember what it was... that an achivement?"

Since those were only 4 achievements (minimum is 5) Then his name was put on a MS Access database (why bother with complexity) and he DOGED out - not in glory.