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 I have seen few signatures campaign manager limiting their accepted participants to particular board in the forum and I believe this is a abuse of a signature campaign participants right, and for sure as long as you as a participant in a signature campaign have made posts in boards where the signatures are displayed it should be considered as an acceptable posts.

Campaign manager need to intervene to have a review on their acceptable norms and donts, and the reason most Church dont succeeded is because of a close tie.

Nobody is forcing anyone to join if they don't agree with rules and boards restrictions.

This is not about this forum but about campaign participants and signature campaign which are managed by a campaign manager. This supposed to be on reputation board and not on meta board.

Can you see how trashes are made up of almost all posts on off-topic? Should campaign managers count posts on such board?

Also you can decide not to join a signature campaign if the manager do not allow you to post on the board that you visit often.

No one limits you. You can publish as many posts as you want in those sections where posts are not counted. In general, you can also pay attention to the fact that when the manager sees that the user pays excessive attention to the sig campaign, its rules, etc., then this is an excellent sign that the user is a member of the forum for the sake of the campaign, and not for pleasure. As a result, the attractiveness of such a member decreases.

One thing you should know on the forum is that you shouldn't only have the mentality to post just for your signature campaign. I guess this is why we have low quality posters on the forum as after they rank up and join campaigns, they only focus on completing their weekly post quota and not focusing on also making quality posts anymore on the forum.

Every campaign has a target, and a campaign manager is responsible to help them meet up those target or service audience. When they say post in certain boards are not going to be counted, your campaign manager doesn't limit your post or restricts you. He simply isn't going to add those boards to you weekly post count. So it depends on you as a forum user who wish to contribute even when you are wearing a paid signature.

All I see in your query is misinterpretation of Rules.

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I think the Rules are bent towards the type of campaign.

You can't be participating in a gambling campaign and expect not to be attractive enough on gambling posts/section. Same as participating on Altcoins campaign you must be more attractive on Altcoins discussions hence to qualify for the campaigns or after joining you're required to advertise towards that board.

And the most part "If you understand the rules by campaign managers they don't for any reason stop you from posting in areas which they don't count towards there campaign post but only do not count the posts that are from those boards.

Each signature campaign has different rules. The campaign manager sets these rules. Forum members are free to apply any signature campaign they want. Don't apply to campaigns whose rules you don't like.

The campaign you are promoting may be focused on certain sectors. For example for a casino company the Gambling section is very valuable but the Mining section is not that important. The opposite is true for a company that sells mining equipment. In the end impressions and click-through rates matter. If the campaign doesn't get the return it expects in the sections it allows, there is no point in advertising there.

I guess you misunderstood those rules. And it doesn't mean that they should never posts on any of these boards. It's still on the poster itself to post or not on where they used to posts, but they need to consider that those will not be paid.

It's not a rights but it is priviledge, let's remember that man.

You don't have any rights to wear avatar, signature in this forum, because it's not your rights, it's only your priviledge when the forum admins still allowing you wearing those things.

You don't have any rights to join any signature campaign and force the company, the campaign manager doing what you like. They have signature campaign rules that you must read and accept before making your application and joining it. In campaign rules, there is term like the company and campaign manager have full rights to stop the campaign any time, change its rules any time.

This is about siganture campaign, not about Forum issues, you can discuss it in 📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343776.0)

I can see your issue right here.  You don't actually have a right (whether human or otherwise) to participate in a signature campaign.

What a bullshit post. If forum members have the right to signature campaigns, they should have the same right while we're at it, no? That way we prevent the world from being unfair. All boards counting equal and all members equal right to campaigns, it's clear where that mentality comes from.

I don't see anything wrong because there's no punishment if you post in uncounted board.

IIRC there was a campaign where the newbie manager give punishment to user who post in uncounted board, this obviously wrong because it's completely limiting the user to post on the board they like.

You can't ask campaign manager to count all the boards, but if you someday become a campaign manager, then you can do whatever you like including accept the post in any boards.

was there a declaration of signature campaign participants rights that i'm not aware of? wtf are you talking about?

as a participant in a signature campaign, you either follow the campaign rules or you don't apply/join.
no one is forcing you not to post in certain boards, you just won't get paid for those posts. so please tell us where is the abuse? do you even know the meaning of that word?

you sound kinda entitled saying this shit, tbh.
and you seem to forget that signature campaigns are not charities, they are an ad campaign meant to generate an ROI. so of course they are not going to pay for posts in places that do not benefit them.

what?

Which right dear? Signature campaign is a privilege and not a right. You can be banned from participating in signature campaign but can still be positing on the forum. There are other campaigns that accept post on boards that you're frequent on so it isn't a must to join the ones that has restrictions on those specific boards. It's the advertisers money being used to fund the campaign so their money, their rules. You can't detect for someone who's spending his money to hire you. Everybody board is important to the forum not the projects advertising here because you don't expect a casino to based their advertisement on the politics board and same goes for a Bitcoin focused project advertising on the altcoins board.

Ps: Signature management business is open to everyone, if you think the current managers aren't doing a great job, you can launch your services and do better.

It's funny you should say that. Mate is this signaturecampaign.org or bitcointalk.org? Lol. Nobody is forcing you to do sigs. If you think a brand/company/sig doesn't aligns with your believes or knowledgebase, then don't do it, simple. Also you can't just tell managers what to do and what not to. They set the rules not you. And nobody said about limiting yourself in posting only in certain boards, you may post anywhere that interests you. But when it comes to getting paid, posts that are in specified board will be counted. Another thing you said "signature campaign participants right", I mean what rights? I believe you are old enough to know, "Signature is a privilege not a right ".

I suggest you read this topic [Guide] Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115291)

So sorry, signature campaign participants are just like the employees in the labour and economy market who doesn't who doesn't have personal rights to decide what what to do and what not to the in their respective places of employment.
You're subject to work according to the companies goal and you're being instructed by the organizational manager and all you just need to do is to work as being directed.
Here in the forum, signature campaigns differs which is either casino or crypto related promoting campaigns.
You as a users in the forum knows that the boards in the forum do have it points of discussions that has the quality of promoting the signatures Campaign respectively.
The companies are already aware of the bitcointalk forum then only needed more experienced forum users to handle it for them as their manager.
Already they've designated what board in the forum they finds quality to reach their goal so the campaign manager is just to govern participants accordingly.
So, participants has no choice on the decision and if also the manager is not comfortable by the companies requirements, then they'd look for other management member.
This is why signature managements is best suited for reputable users.
You can as well check out how the differ post counts of the signature campaigns which some are 15-60 posts per week. It's being projected between the companies and the manager and the participants just need to abide by the management guides.

You can approach this problem in a different manner and make sure you post in different sections of the forum.

Like I have a weekly quota on Gambling sections, so I make sure to follow that but at the same time I do visit many other sections and our local board and post in threads which I find interesting.

You are not entitled to be a part of any campaign, you want to be in one you have to follow their terms.

This reminds of the time I was in Bestchachange campaign. Bestchachange did not count local board but I found it interesting to post on my country's local thread at the time which are not counted on Bestchachange campaign. It was just a local thread at the time and not a board but not counted as it was on the 'Other languages/locations' at the time.

Few? AFAIK all signature campaign have limitation on board that not counted for payment. "Off-Topic" board, "Serious Discussion" board and thread where signature isn't displayed never counted.


I fail to see any correlation between church and board that not counted for payment by signature campaign. But you're doing great if your goal to be added on other member ignore list.

Of course you say that, lol.

signature campaign participants right   :D :D I think you should start a campaign to defend these rights.

Signature campaigns are dwindling over time, and most active campaigns are about gambling. I think that within a few years, all of these campaigns will cease, so it's best not to seriously consider them.

Atleast the rules was stated before you applied.
And if you speaking about making posting in the gambling board
A necessity in a gambling campaign
I see nothing wrong with that
That's their target market
It would be easier to see users there than in the development and technical board
Or even Bitcoin discussion board.
Mind you campaign managers try to make every stakeholder happy
Not just the signature promoter.

There are new technologies and the world changes quickly with technology and innovation. In future perhaps there will be more new trendy platforms for gambling companies doing their advertisement, it's possible.

Some other scenarios is more regulations from governments, to block advertisements of gambling companies in the forum. It sounds to much, but who knows, or they just ask KYC as a mandatory condition to work in signature campaign.

Or theymos, the forum head admin, or any head admin after him, will shut down signature campaign industry in the forum. It's possible.

There was warning in the past about it.
Ideas for improving post quality? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2605767.0)

Or they might find a better platform (in terms of viewership), I'm seeing more of these ads at sporting events.

Much water has flown under the bridge, I don't think these ideas are valid now or signature campaigns may soon be banned.

Seriously? So now it’s like the campaign managers’ fault just because they require posts in certain boards?

The truth is, you wouldn’t have any issue if you just chose not to join a signature campaign. You could post anywhere you want and be fine as long as you follow the forum rules. The thing is, that signature campaign you’re complaining about has a transparent set of rules. So the real question is, why did you even apply if you didn’t agree with it in the first place?

So, brother, campaign managers are wrong, and you are right? If you think your idea is better, then better run your own marketing campaign here and see if any developers will hire a manager who doesn't care about branding and leads.
Like all the others are saying, if you cannot adhere to the rules, then do not join, so you are free to post anywhere you like and not bounded by any rules.

I don’t think that’s true. For example off-topic is the most spammy part of this forum and people don’t really read the posts there so off-topic has nearly zero financial value. Since the companies want to attract customers via signatures and they don’t want to waste their money on ineffective advertising campaigns, the campaigns managers are banning those low value sub forums naturally.

If the managers were paying for the posts that were made in offtopic and other spam boards, then most people would make their posts in those boards.

There are rules everywhere. It's either you follow them or you get out from where those rules apply. If you want to challenge those rules, perhaps you need to take it up against those who implement them.

But as to rights, those rules aren't necessarily taking your rights-- if you want to call it that-- because it doesn't prevent you from posting anywhere on the forum, with the exception of those that are locked by an administrator. 

What's the matter with churches? It seems the main reason why they're not succeeding is that they're basically founded on fallacy.

That would be too easy for the participants.

We’re no longer in the Yobit days where anyone could post anywhere and still get paid. Now, we’re in an era where spam is controlled, and only quality posters get accepted into campaigns. Since most campaigns here are casino-related, it makes sense that they want more exposure in topics related to their business particularly in the gambling section.

Not every section in the forum is equal in quality and it may be less desirable for advertisers to promote in certain boards. With that said, they are still getting exposure, which has some value. Campaign managers are trying to keep things simple and will just disregard posts in sections that have less value.

There are ways to improve campaign management, but with the limited budgets and resources available, we have to accept that things won’t be entirely perfect. It is an informal system and not a professional marketing service where participants are officially employed.

Managers don't have the right to prevent you from posting anywhere on the forum, and they are doing their job. They just count the post according to campaign rules. I was a campaign manager and know the fact. Companies would have some requirements, and managers have their own standards as well. So they have to maintain everything. Managers have the right to decide which post they will count or reject. When you are joining a campaign, you agree with the managers terms. Nothing wrong about post count. You are free to post anywhere; just know the manager won't count it out of their standards.

Ok, that's biggest nonsense that I have read this week. And it comes not from some random newbie, but from Hero Member who has been here for a while.
If you feel that your rights is abused, you're free not to join signature campaign. That's not obligation. Do you really think that you better know how signature campaigns should runned than people who are doing it for long years?
And OP after starting topic didn't bothered to give any replies to none of posts that were made there...

Signature campaigns don't limit you from posting on any board but they don't pay you for posts you make on certain boards, that's because those boards aren't part of their marketing. You can post as much as you want on any board but you'll be paid for posts on certain boards, that sounds fair to me.

Btw the real abuse of signature campaigns is when campaigns pay a few amount of money and hire spammers who post twenty posts per day. Those campaigns that pay a good amount of money for 25-30 posts are the ones that do good for this forum. Because of them, we have lots of talented members and both, the company and the community benefit from it.

For me, it seems that you want to get paid for anything and from everywhere you post. Which isn't bad for the posters but for sure isn't beneficial for the people/ companies who pay for their posting. So, the only part here that has a right, is them and not the posters. It's their right to decide where and how they will spend their money. It's their money, right?

The campaign manager will do what is best for the campaign, you as a participant are allowed to post anywhere in the forum and the campaign manager will only count the accepted boards, it is very simple. If the campaign rules went along the lines of 'you'll not be paid anything if you post in x section', then we can discuss if that should be acceptable, but that is not the case, though even if it was, you simply should ignore such a campaign.

He maybe want to change the narrative like he can get paid on anywhere he post. The fact that there are section on this forum is not beneficial to the company they are promoting.

That's why there are rules set to be read by future applicants on those campaign so that they would know if they fit and can decide not to join if they see that they don't like those sections where the manager count their post.

They should know that rules are created to help the company they are promoting and not to feed or pleased their signature campaign participants.

You're given an incentive to post and get paid but it doesn't mean that you can't post into those sections that aren't counted.

Post anywhere you want because they are not stopping you from doing so. These campaign managers know their stuff and what's needed for the brand to thrive and reach the maximum exposure that they need to have as a result.

That's why they have rules.

With your wishes, many users who are far from the topics required by the manager will write posts only where their knowledge is extensive.  Sections: politics, or off-topic in your opinion, also be involved in payment?  I assure you that the forum will get a reputation as a forum full of spam, and for this spam, you can get some payment.

Therefore, you should always understand that all the rules interpreted by managers are announced at the very beginning of the company; if you do not agree, you can simply pass by the company signature with the "strict" requirements of the manager.

But why do I have thoughts that you will agree to everything, just to be a member of the company signature?

There is a good saying for you: he who pays the piper calls the tune.

You can post wherever you want and whatever you want (assuming no offense, with respect). By the way, it doesn't matter where you post, even in boards that are paid, the campaign manager can still do not pay you for your posts because one of the main requirement of every signature campaign is that your posts should be high quality.

By wearing a signature, at some point you represent the company. For company, their public image is very important, so they try to hire those who post high quality posts regularly but besides a good public image, they want to increase the awareness of their company as much as possible. So, in order to motivate you to post in the boards where they need to increase brand awareness, they pay you money but there are boards where company doesn't need to be promoted, so on those boards they don't pay you but that doesn't mean that they prohibit you in some way, no, you can post whenever you want on any board but you simply won't be paid and I totally agree with that, you shouldn't be completely materially motivated on this forum, you have to genuinely be the member of this amazing community!

How did it become an abuse when you receive a weekly payment? You are lucky to be incentivized for posting; it's a privilege to be in a campaign. You should be thankful; others are just hoping to be in a campaign like yours.
If you feel that you are being abused, then get out of the campaign so you can be free where you want to post and how you want your post to be.

Because the manager is the one in contact with the client and the client wants more visibility and generates leads, and the manager knows the boards and the posters who are likely to give the client's banner boost and leads.
This is the reason that not all posters are automatically accepted; they have to show that they are a good candidate for what the manager is looking for in a poster.
If you are not comfortable with rules, then don't be under a campaign; even companies set up rules on their employers.