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Title: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 07:09:31 AM recognize the signs. 1. Satoshi vanished just about the same time Hal Finney was diagnosed with the terminal disease ALS. There is no any other good reason that Satoshi retired from the project at that particular time. 2. Hal Finney has shown with the PGP project that he was able to turn a good idea into a working software project. He has shown with his running a remailer that he cared deeply about the main reason for developing Bitcoin, which is helping privacy with code. 3. Hal Finney had expert knowledge about the problem of concealing an identity. When denying being Satoshi later on, he produced an e-mail conversation with his "sockpuppet" Satoshi. He would be expected to do exactly that. Having experience with government censure of PGP, he would not want to be exposed to similar criminal prosecution for the Bitcoin project. And having been on record predicting $10 million per bitcoin in January 2009, he was certainly aware of the potential of drawing the unwanted attention of criminals to his wealth early on. 4. Anyone smart enough to come up with Bitcoin certainly would have heard about RPOW in 2008. Not citing it in the whitepaper is an obvious clue that he wanted to avoid calling attention to his real identity. 5. When denying being Satoshi, Hal Finney said that he was more familiar with coding in C, as opposed to the coding style used by Satoshi. Doesn't add up. Guess what language is used in the coding section of the whitepaper? Yes. It was C. 6. Hal Finney is on record for having exactly the same opportunity to mine early bitcoins as his sockpuppet Satoshi. His story later is that he stopped mining after a while because he was worried about his computer overheating. Sure. A lifelong dream to create e-cash. $10 million per coin predicted. But worried about a computer overheating. If there really was such a problem at the time, obviously Hal Finney would have been able to solve it in less than five minutes fully drunk and half asleep. Or Satoshi could have fixed it for him. Hal said he reported bugs to Satoshi and Satoshi fixed them. Why not fix the overheating problem then? Because no such problem existed in the first place. If that part is clearly a false statement, one wonders what else he might have tried to hide? I'm comfortable with my legacy. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Yaunfitda on March 21, 2025, 07:32:46 AM Here we go again, I urge you to read this blog,
Hal Finney Was Not Satoshi Nakamoto. (https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/) You mentioned RPOW, so here is a comparison between the two codes, https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/03/21/0xSe1.png I guess it's better to rest this case, Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney). (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0) Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 07:46:30 AM You gave me a link to a ridiculous statement that points to proof of sending emails and bitcoins from Satoshi to Mike Hearn while Hal was running a marathon.
I think anyone can send emails at their own time and emails can be sent while doing other things if the goal is to disguise their identity. If we are talking about RPOW and Bitcoin code, can you tell me where the significant differences are? Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Dunamisx on March 21, 2025, 07:51:01 AM recognize the signs. 1. Satoshi vanished just about the same time Hal Finney was diagnosed with the terminal disease ALS. There is no any other good reason that Satoshi retired from the project at that particular time. Don't just work by some of your fake theories in confusing the public about the real state of things here, Satoshi is not Hal Finney, maybe you have forgotten that the same Satoshi made the first ever bitcoin transaction to Hal Finney in testing on how bitcoin transaction could be, secondly they both left the forum doesn't mean they are one single entity, each has his own separate account on Bitcointalk and you can't confirm your claim by any of them signing a message, so if this can't be established, then disregard any assumptions that may cause confusion for you, Satoshi is not Hal Finney. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 07:58:41 AM I guess it's better to rest this case, Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney). (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0) with little credit to me. recognize the signs. 1. Satoshi vanished just about the same time Hal Finney was diagnosed with the terminal disease ALS. There is no any other good reason that Satoshi retired from the project at that particular time. Don't just work by some of your fake theories in confusing the public about the real state of things here, Satoshi is not Hal Finney, maybe you have forgotten that the same Satoshi made the first ever bitcoin transaction to Hal Finney in testing on how bitcoin transaction could be, secondly they both left the forum doesn't mean they are one single entity, each has his own separate account on Bitcointalk and you can't confirm your claim by any of them signing a message, so if this can't be established, then disregard any assumptions that may cause confusion for you, Satoshi is not Hal Finney. I think everybody only able to make an assumption about who is Satoshi, what makes you think there will be legit proofs? Do you have any counter to my assumption above? You've mentioned "fake theories", can you quote one with proof? Otherwise you can stop cause confusion for yourself in the public Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: nutildah on March 21, 2025, 08:05:50 AM This is probably the 80th time this comparison has been made, just here, on this forum. But I'd like to address this claim in particular as its the one that is unfamiliar:
Why not fix the overheating problem then? Because no such problem existed in the first place. He wasn't necessarily worried about "overheating", he said it made his "computer run hot" and the fan noise bothered him. He had accrued at least several thousand BTC during his time as a miner... wouldn't that be enough to call it quits on something that really didn't have a lot of utility while he was alive and active? Regardless, of course overheating was a problem, and it couldn't easily be solved by code changes. Also make sure your cpu fans are working, your heatsink is actually on, machine is clear of dust, etc or you might overheat. It would be nice if the next version of Bitcoin had the ability to monitor the temperature of computer components and automatically reduce the number of threads generating bitcoins whenever the temperature reaches dangerous levels. Or even just a scheduler to turn bitcoin generation off during the hot of the day would be great. I recently moved my computer into a closet of a spare bedroom that doesn't get air conditioning and I'm a little worried about the temperature. Perhaps I'll just turn off bitcoin generation until the weather starts to cool down. Core 2 Quad Extreme Mobile @ 2.53ghz, Gentoo 32bit: ~2000khash/sec...but if the room is hot, the CPU will get up to 95C, it'll throttle and get ~1600khash/sec. I usually run it on 2 cores @ 1.6ghz, for ~630khash/sec Edit: 2 cores @ 1.6ghz, getting ~1440khash/sec with 0.3.6 Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 08:32:01 AM This is probably the 80th time this comparison has been made, just here, on this forum. But I'd like to address this claim in particular as its the one that is unfamiliar: Why not fix the overheating problem then? Because no such problem existed in the first place. He wasn't necessarily worried about "overheating", he said it made his "computer run hot" and the fan noise bothered him. He had accrued at least several thousand BTC during his time as a miner... wouldn't that be enough to call it quits on something that really didn't have a lot of utility while he was alive and active? Regardless, of course overheating was a problem, and it couldn't easily be solved by code changes. My point on that statement is: Hal said he reported bugs to Satoshi and Satoshi fixed them, why Hal never mentioned this problem to Satoshi? Instead, he is trying to fix this by himself, https://i.ibb.co/dwLYGrxQ/Capture.jpg HalFinney discovered this problem as early as January 2009, and you cite reports from others about "overheating" in May 2010. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Pmalek on March 21, 2025, 08:41:27 AM 1. Satoshi vanished just about the same time Hal Finney was diagnosed with the terminal disease ALS. There is no any other good reason that Satoshi retired from the project at that particular time. Whatever his reasons for disappearing were, I guess we will never find out. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 08:50:58 AM 1. Satoshi vanished just about the same time Hal Finney was diagnosed with the terminal disease ALS. There is no any other good reason that Satoshi retired from the project at that particular time. Whatever his reasons for disappearing were, I guess we will never find out. "Uncomfortable" is a common excuse to hide something. He handed over control of Bitcoin to another developer because he knew ALS was not a disease that would allow him to live more than 5 years. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: stwenhao on March 21, 2025, 08:53:41 AM Quote If we are talking about RPOW and Bitcoin code, can you tell me where the significant differences are? There are many different things.1. Hal used multi line comments "/**/", while Satoshi used single line comments "//". 2. Hal added a new line after function return type, while Satoshi put it in the same line. 3. Hal used pointers "*" from C, while Satoshi used references "&" from C++. 4. Hal used Apple preprocessor macros, while Satoshi used Windows preprocessor defines. 5. Hal wrote it in C, while Satoshi used many features from C++ standard library, for example std::pair and std::map. And so on, and so forth. The code is written in a completely different style, using completely different tools, and even different Operating Systems. Even if you compare Satoshi's code in C, from the whitepaper, then it is formatted in a completely different way, than Hal's code in C. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 09:04:12 AM Quote If we are talking about RPOW and Bitcoin code, can you tell me where the significant differences are? There are many different things.1. Hal used multi line comments "/**/", while Satoshi used single line comments "//". 2. Hal added a new line after function return type, while Satoshi put it in the same line. 3. Hal used pointers "*" from C, while Satoshi used references "&" from C++. 4. Hal used Apple preprocessor macros, while Satoshi used Windows preprocessor defines. 5. Hal wrote it in C, while Satoshi used many features from C++ standard library, for example std::pair and std::map. And so on, and so forth. The code is written in a completely different style, using completely different tools, and even different Operating Systems. Even if you compare Satoshi's code in C, from the whitepaper, then it is formatted in a completely different way, than Hal's code in C. With the differences you mentioned, is it impossible for someone like HalFinney who has experience with the concept to do it? HalFinney developed RPOW in 2004, is 4-5 years not enough time for someone like HalFinney to implement it in another way? Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: BlackBoss_ on March 21, 2025, 10:59:30 AM You gave me a link to a ridiculous statement that points to proof of sending emails and bitcoins from Satoshi to Mike Hearn while Hal was running a marathon. If you read all of that blog post, you would see that there are more proofs than just a Bitcoin transaction and the marathon participation.I think anyone can send emails at their own time and emails can be sent while doing other things if the goal is to disguise their identity. Your reply makes me feeling like you only scroll down a little bit from a blog post title and skip remaining parts of the blog post with more proofs as follow. Singularity Summit 2010 The IP Address Satoshi's Email to Martti Malmi (Sirius) Inconsistencies in Coding Styles Inconsistencies in Personas Inconsistencies in Activity Gaps Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: dzungmobile on March 21, 2025, 11:24:40 AM It's been speculated that satoshi disappeared around the time the CIA became interested in Bitcoin. Gavin Andresen wrote that he was invited to present Bitcoin to the CIA. Satoshi stopped being active around that time I think. One might say that he wasn't comfortable having the CIA look more closely into his work so he handed over control to other developers and left. This.Gavin will visit the CIA (https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=6652.0) Archives of emails from Satoshi to Gavin Andresen. https://www.bitcoin.com/satoshi-archive/emails/gavin-andresen/ https://gavinandresen.ninja/eleven-years-ago-today We will never know the real reasons of his disappearance. Quote Subject: alert key Satoshi Nakamoto satoshin@gmx.com 26 Apr 2011, 10:29 I wish you wouldn’t keep talking about me as a mysterious shadowy figure, the press just turns that into a pirate currency angle. Maybe instead make it about the open source project and give more credit to your dev contributors; it helps motivate them. I’ve moved on to other things and will probably be unavailable. Here’s the CAlert key and broadcast code in case you need it. You should probably give it to at least one or two other people. There are a few long time users who are always around all the time. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: JCCN11 on March 21, 2025, 11:50:33 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2813.msg39045#msg39045
I read all of Hal's posts and one of them really caught my attention. On January 15, 2011, he suggested to raise bitcoins to send Satoshi to the Financial Cryptography conference. Right after, one of the participants said that Satoshi would hardly accept because he wanted to remain anonymous. This was obvious to everyone on the forum. Why would Hal suggest this? He was an experient cypherpunk who communicated with Satoshi in early days of the project, and obviously knew that Satoshi was a pseudonym. This sounds really strange. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 12:42:17 PM You gave me a link to a ridiculous statement that points to proof of sending emails and bitcoins from Satoshi to Mike Hearn while Hal was running a marathon. If you read all of that blog post, you would see that there are more proofs than just a Bitcoin transaction and the marathon participation.I think anyone can send emails at their own time and emails can be sent while doing other things if the goal is to disguise their identity. Your reply makes me feeling like you only scroll down a little bit from a blog post title and skip remaining parts of the blog post with more proofs as follow. Singularity Summit 2010 The IP Address Satoshi's Email to Martti Malmi (Sirius) Inconsistencies in Coding Styles Inconsistencies in Personas Inconsistencies in Activity Gaps I was quite surprised because it turns out there are people who respond like this ;D I was only responding that marathon "incident" because probably that is the most arguably things 1. Singularity Summit 2010? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2436;sa=showPosts I suggest you to see for yourself how active HalFinney is until 2013. 2. Satoshi's Email to Martti Malmi (Sirius) Anyone can do the same camouflage, right? 3. Inconsistencies in Coding Styles Answered above my post (Your reply makes me feeling like you only scroll down a little bit from this post and doing instant reply skipping the facts above.) 4. Inconsistencies in Personas Everybody has a private world, guess what about Hal Finney? Satoshi Nakamoto is his private world. 5. Inconsistencies in Activity Gaps Answered above my post (Your reply makes me feeling like you only scroll down a little bit from this post and doing instant reply skipping the facts above.) We will never know the real reasons of his disappearance. There is no any other good reason that Satoshi retired from the project at that particular time. No reason at all, except his health issue.This sounds really strange. recognize the signs. Won't you recognize the sign? http://lesswrong.com/lw/1ab/dying_outside/ (http://lesswrong.com/lw/1ab/dying_outside/) That's my story. Travel is very difficult for me now. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Perfectbaby on March 21, 2025, 12:52:47 PM Sorry to say why has this been repeating itself over the time, sincerely if I am not mistakenly this topics and comparison has been raised several times now and yet no meaningful arguments was made from it and yet they still kept repeating this same post and comparison.
Hal finney is not Satoshi nakamoto the better we have peace over the time. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: flatt on March 21, 2025, 01:01:05 PM Sorry to say why has this been repeating itself over the time, sincerely if I am not mistakenly this topics and comparison has been raised several times now and yet no meaningful arguments was made from it and yet they still kept repeating this same post and comparison. Hal finney is not Satoshi nakamoto the better we have peace over the time. with little credit to me. Just giving a little respect to the creator in a forum dedicated to what he created, is that too much? There are some mental disorders in someone who wants to be recognized but doesn't want to be known. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 21, 2025, 01:18:32 PM Sorry to say why has this been repeating itself over the time, sincerely if I am not mistakenly this topics and comparison has been raised several times now and yet no meaningful arguments was made from it and yet they still kept repeating this same post and comparison. Hal finney is not Satoshi nakamoto the better we have peace over the time. OP, seems to be very knowledgeable about a lot of things he has said here, putting out some facts as a good defence for his claims and like you said, this comparison has came up many times on the forum in different threads, but what I just want to clearly understand is that, after we have finally proven that Hal Finney was Satoshi and now that he is late, what should we do with the discovery? Just curious to know what we are going to do with the discovery after several evidence beyond no doubt has be brought to light to proof the claim, what next @flatt? Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: dkbit98 on March 21, 2025, 03:51:34 PM Here we go again...
OP it's not like you are the first guy in the world making this speculation claims ::) There have been a bunch of people who claimed Hal was Satoshi, but I also remember reading all the reasons why he isn't Satoshi. On top of that there are many other candidates for Satoshi, and I prefer that his real identity remains unknown. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: stwenhao on March 21, 2025, 05:05:45 PM Quote is it impossible for someone like HalFinney who has experience with the concept to do it? Possible, but very inconvenient, costly, and against Occam's Razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor).Quote is 4-5 years not enough time for someone like HalFinney to implement it in another way? Not only "in another way", but also with a different Operating System (Hal used MacOS, and Satoshi used Windows), under different IDEs (Hal used tools from MacOS, while Satoshi used Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 SP6), and with different file types (Satoshi released specifically Windows-only version, with DLLs, EXEs, and Windows-based bitmaps and icons, using Windows-based resource files, and with Windows-based file encodings).And there is more: you have different tools for making PDFs for different Operating Systems, you have slightly different C++ compiler bugs (like std::min bug, which was immediately detected and solved by non-Windows users, but was not fixed by Satoshi, because it worked fine on his machine). Also, if you assume, that Hal used MacOS in the past, but switched into Windows somehow, then tell me, why Satoshi tested his binaries only under Windows, and never even tried making any MacOS version? (Thanks Laszlo for the Mac OSX build!) Imagine using MacOS in the past for some years, and never releasing a single Bitcoin client binary for that system, and waiting until version 0.3.13, when another user did it. In October 2010. Almost two years after Bitcoin started.Edit: I don't even know if the resolver logic can be changed on Windows. See? Hal wrote that sentence in December 2010, when Satoshi developed Windows-based Bitcoin client for at least two years. And he couldn't just check that on Windows, but he knew, that it can be done on MacOS? Why?Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: aoluain on March 22, 2025, 12:02:07 AM WTF is the obsession with trying to find out who Satoshi was/is?
It wont change anything about Bitcoin itself because it is bogger than any one person regardless of who they are. Satoshi walked away and in doing so actually enhanced the project, made it truly decentralised and open source. So it was Hal - ok then what next? No matter who believes it was this person or that person it hasnt been nor will ever be unanimously agreed upon - threads like this are just rehashing what has already been debated many times previously. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: yhiaali3 on March 22, 2025, 12:28:17 AM I'm really tired of people who keep asking, "Who is Satoshi?" or who make desperate attempts and spend a lot of time trying to prove that someone is Satoshi!!!
I've said it before many times: if Satoshi wanted to reveal his identity, he would have done so easily. Why would he, when he has tried so hard to conceal his identity? Let's respect the decision of the great creator of Bitcoin, who sacrificed fame, money, and everything else for the sake of this beautiful icon. Let him disappear in peace. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Darker45 on March 22, 2025, 02:36:06 AM May I know the purpose of you digging this issue once more? To what end goal are you necroing this otherwise dead matter? If at all, how can Bitcoin, its community, its adoption, and so on benefit from this?
OP, Jameson Lopp has an apt advice for you: "Accusing someone of being Satoshi without providing bulletproof evidence makes you a massive asshole, because you're painting a target on them. Even if that person is dead, you're endangering their family." Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: X-ray on March 22, 2025, 07:11:37 AM Here we go again... seriously unless satoshi himself revealed his identity all of these theory, doesn't matter how complex it is, will just be a speculation, because nobody knows who satoshi really is and there's not enough evidence.OP it's not like you are the first guy in the world making this speculation claims ::) There have been a bunch of people who claimed Hal was Satoshi, but I also remember reading all the reasons why he isn't Satoshi. On top of that there are many other candidates for Satoshi, and I prefer that his real identity remains unknown. like as you said, it's better to just let satoshi identity remains unknown, because that seems to be his intention, so why bother. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Cryptohygenic on March 22, 2025, 07:38:28 AM It now gets weird of stressing on how to dig Satoshi Nakamoto out from his privacy.
Different insights has suspeciously come and argued about who really Satoshi Nakamoto is but have not been literally proven. So I feel obsessed when I see further discussion of this like some others that can not literally prove their claims. Maybe we should ponder on this some bits 1* What change will the reveal of Satoshi make to the bitcoin or your personal life? 2* In the development of decentralized finance as bitcoin, is it security wise encouraged for Satoshi to reveal himself? 3* Is your interest more of his development on bitcoin or just to get him known? Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Kelward on March 22, 2025, 07:42:42 AM Here we go again... seriously unless satoshi himself revealed his identity all of these theory, doesn't matter how complex it is, will just be a speculation, because nobody knows who satoshi really is and there's not enough evidence.OP it's not like you are the first guy in the world making this speculation claims ::) There have been a bunch of people who claimed Hal was Satoshi, but I also remember reading all the reasons why he isn't Satoshi. On top of that there are many other candidates for Satoshi, and I prefer that his real identity remains unknown. like as you said, it's better to just let satoshi identity remains unknown, because that seems to be his intention, so why bother. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: btc_angela on March 22, 2025, 08:11:49 AM May I know the purpose of you digging this issue once more? To what end goal are you necroing this otherwise dead matter? If at all, how can Bitcoin, its community, its adoption, and so on benefit from this? OP, Jameson Lopp has an apt advice for you: "Accusing someone of being Satoshi without providing bulletproof evidence makes you a massive asshole, because you're painting a target on them. Even if that person is dead, you're endangering their family." And we are already in 2025, in the early years of Bitcoin, no one has proven who Satoshi is, there could be a lot of candidates but without proof, we can't do nothing. Just like what the OP has posted, it has been posted before, debunked already and yet he tries to bring it up again. I guess the community is already tired of this thing again and again. The community has move on already, and it's for the betterment that we don't need to know who Satoshi is. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Donneski on March 22, 2025, 02:04:22 PM Here comes another unproven theory of who is speculated to be the real identity behind the anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto. Tomorrow, another person will also come up with another theory to also convince us that a certain individual or group of persons is(are) Satoshi Nakamoto. We've heard enough of this cock and bull theories but what I don't know is why some of us in the forum are still trying to prove a valueless point.
If for any reason you discover who really Satoshi Nakamoto is, what value will that knowledge add to you? Think about this question so you can stop spamming us with similar unnecessary theories Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on March 22, 2025, 03:33:10 PM WTF is the obsession with trying to find out who Satoshi was/is? Many threads, about a hundred, on Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin forum. You can not stop it, but I agree with you that those attempts failed and will fail, and don't help Bitcoin anything.Satoshi Nakamoto disappearance from Bitcoin community, and his anonymity are big gifts for us, so why do people want to find him and destroy his gifts? I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271796.0) We are all Satoshi Nakamotos by running Bitcoin full nodes, using Bitcoin blockchains, and having bitcoins. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: NotATether on March 22, 2025, 05:47:40 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2813.msg39045#msg39045 I read all of Hal's posts and one of them really caught my attention. On January 15, 2011, he suggested to raise bitcoins to send Satoshi to the Financial Cryptography conference. Right after, one of the participants said that Satoshi would hardly accept because he wanted to remain anonymous. This was obvious to everyone on the forum. Why would Hal suggest this? He was an experient cypherpunk who communicated with Satoshi in early days of the project, and obviously knew that Satoshi was a pseudonym. This sounds really strange. It is vey strange indeed and I might guess that he was trying to get Satoshi (whoever he is) to attend because of his novel invention. But who knows why he posted that. It would indeed be weird if he was referring to himself in the third person, because I do not know who is able to put up with that for so long. Title: Re: Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto Post by: Z-tight on March 24, 2025, 02:02:37 PM Op, it is not like you have revealed something that has not been spoken about before, many people also believe that Hal was Satoshi, even in this forum so many members have made similar posts trying to point out connections. The end of it all is still futility because there is no way to completely prove it, so it still ends up as speculation, so being right or wrong doesn't even matter, which is why letting it be is the most sensible thing to do.
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