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When it comes to gambling especially sports betting odds are what we can't do away with because all bets are done through the odds given by the bookmakers, odd is a probability of an event happening or taking place in relation to that event not taking place. It should be noted that odds don't play the game because we have seen a lot of games that spring up surprises with the team with the bigger odds winning the game.


So many gambler's has formed the habit of following teams with the better odds and has regretted at the end of the day one thing that I have seen when it comes to gambling is that odds are just numbers that the bookmakers bring out to deceive gambler's because when it comes to sporting events like football, basketball ball , tennis every team has the same odds of winning it only depends on how a team well prepared towards a game and and the opportunities that will be created when the game is going on so even the team that the odds are not favouring can win depending on how they prepare and executing the game. So when gambling try and be open and and don't follow the odds because odds can be deceiving

I'm not sure about the odds working that way, the fact that the team/player is the favorite doesn't mean he has better odds of winning, but that means there will be more bettors placing bets on that team/player. That way the favorite one will have lower odds than the other one. And i think this is why we see a lot of underdogs winning their games.

The casinos must win money with those odds and that's why always the favorite will give lower odds.

The odds that are allocated to different games by the bookmakers is usually done based on what the bookmakers think would be the outcome of the game and those odds are what determined how much return a gambler will get from their staked amount if the game they staked on goes according to their prediction. It is not a wise analytical method if a gambling is making their prediction with the use of odds alone. Perhaps, those odds usually change continually. For example, if team A had a big odd (8.00) before the match starts and later on changes were made that disqualifies them from being unable to win the fixture, their odd will reduce and the odd of team B which was initially small will increase. There are other very important things that should be considered while making prediction, odds is not a hedge.

Even some people thinks that when they stake on small odds, it can make them win but that's inaccurate, staking on small odds have made me lose bet countless times.

I don’t quite get your point. How can we not follow the odds when they’re exactly what we need to place a bet? Do you mean that we shouldn’t always bet on the favorites, since sometimes the bookies overvalue them causing the majority of bettors to lose by betting on those favorites? Could you expand on that and clarify what you really mean?

Don't forget that when two different teams meet there's always one that stands out as the favourite in that meeting base on specific factors which could be wanting from the opposite side. But there are times two teams with equal strength could meet and share almost exact same odds from bookmakers, at that point the bookmakers isn't even sure of which side can win as favourite and this also not exclude the gambler.

Despite how I will want to agree with you that odds can be deceiving it doesn't dispute the fact that smaller odds has a higher tendency to play than big size odds.

For me, it's actually not too wrong to make something like that an advantage. Although what you said is true, in the end it doesn't mean that we don't take the existing probability as our advantage because after all, we can still make it an advantage even though we can't bet on everything.

What I mean in this case is that even though probability is sometimes deceiving, at some moments we can use this as an advantage, of course, with the note that we also know what is being played and how the performance we are betting on with the analysis we have.
Let's take an example in this case when a big match where sometimes the probability of a club with a higher level is always one of the favorites to win. Although this is not all true, it is not a small number that such probabilities can make betting easy, but of course we have to know who is playing and whether it is worth it or not for us to bet on. When it is indeed feasible, we can still follow it, but when the probability is strong, even if it is not feasible, it is better for us to avoid the bet.

Even if bookies have their own advantage, still, they can make mistakes about the odds because they also have some blind spots when it comes to actual performance of the game. Just remember that their algo is based mostly on the available online data. That means, the actual scenario is still not integrated in their algo such as actual environmental conditions (whether the high humidity can affect the performance of athletes), unknown injuries, last minute change of strategies among others. So yes, bookies can't always predict the right outcome on every match because it also has its own limitations.

We shouldn’t look at the odds as if the bookies are simply trying to beat us. Instead, we need to understand that the odds are created to ensure both sides of the bet get action. If we lose, it’s wrong to think that the bookie outsmarted us, because if we lose, other bettors win. It’s a give-and-take situation. The bookies only care about making sure they remain profitable by balancing the bets, regardless of the outcome. That’s their main concern.

I think what op was trying to say is that we shouldn't bet on those odd given by bookmakers without making a properly analysis before betting, because most gamblers always get mislead by betting those odds which they're not even sure about the possibility. because sometimes the bookmakers can decide to scam gamblers by given a lesser odd  to the team which we know that they're more superior than their opponent, But you will be so surprise to see those thier opponent wining them with a higher odd, this is why gambling is unpredictable because sometimes even when you decide to make analysis before betting definitely you will still end up losing, Which is why we don't need to rely too much in gambling Because the outcome is not always guaranteed.

Yeah, and did he mean that we should be betting on the underdogs more often as he doesn't believed that the odds given by bookmakers are that reliable? Of course there is upset but it's not that every game we will see that happening.

So everything is base on your analysis per se and see if it matches with what the bookmakers are listing. If you are not that confident then why bet? Just skip the game if there are no value bets in that game. And it's not like ML is the only option for us, and I think that's why there are lot like handicap, or first quarter, odd/even and others so that we can find what we think could be a good and appealing bets.

What OP is trying to say is that
We shouldn't be blinded by the odds placed by bookmakers
Anything can happen, a team is having a low odd doesn't mean they would be
Personally I have lost a huge bet with big odds missed in
Because of an odd of 1.04 so I don't usually place my full trust on it.
I use my personal experience from watching their match, line ups and latest news about the team.

Of course the bookies are not allowed knowing to be that perfect with their provision of the odd size in every games but most surely is that they have wider channels of in-house informations about every team's condition even to the late minute of the game than what the gambler can gather as data for analysing his predictions. The only aspect I am sure of that bookies aren't privileged of is about those circumstances and events that occurs during when the match is in play. Example is a key player of the strong side having an injury or red card that puts his team at a disadvantage ground over the underdog.

 You're betting on the bookies who set these odds though so I don't think it makes sense ignoring them. If you meant don't take it for granted that teams with lower odds would win 100% of the time then yeah that I can agree with. Still, just because underdogs managed to win that doesn't mean it was because the bookies was wrong. It's for a reason that there's odds in the first place for both teams, because there's always a chance that any team could actually win.

And heck if you were solely dependent on odds then I say just play in a casino. I don't really see any reason why you'd be doing sports bets if analysis wasn't something you wanted to do.

That doesn’t exist.. don’t use the word “scam,” because the odds are always two-sided. If bettors think one side has the edge, they’ll bet on that side, and the bookies will have to pay if that side wins.

Maybe we just don’t fully understand how bookies operate, and we end up thinking they’re the ones we need to beat. But if you check the market odds, you’ll see different odds from different bookies , they operate more like a system, But our mental state is still stuck in the old way of thinking if we believe we can outsmart them, or that they are outsmarting us.

In reality, bookies simply create a system to balance bets on both sides. The real battle is between bettors themselves; the bookie’s job is just to manage the odds and ensure they profit from the margin, regardless of the outcome.

Yes it's true that odds can be deceitful sometimes, that's why we need to do our due diligence before placing out bet on football matches, basketball games and the likes of them that you have mentioned. But if we are sincere to ourselves, the number of times that teams with the better odds do win are far more than the times they do disappoint. There are bigger clubs and there are medium and small clubs as well. Whenever the bigger teams are playing the smaller teams or medium teams, it is almost certain that the bigger teams with the better odds will come out victorious, in times like this we should consider the team with the better odds that has higher potential of winning. But when teams of same strengths are playing, look at for the team that's currently in form and go for them.

I think op wanted the gamblers to not be 100 percent trust or believe the odds given by the bookmakers. Gamblers should compare it with other bookmakers odds on different platforms as there might be different odds given out there. I may be wrong about OP's point but I think that's what OP meant by the post he made. I have tried placing a bet on a team with high odds but didn't win although it may be different since it was a free bet give by a casino to try out their platform.

What I know is that the odds given by bookmakers are not the ones who set the odds. But the more bettors bet on the favorite team, the smaller the odds will be and this has been said by others in most of the almost the same threads. So bookmakers are not trying to deceive gamblers because it is all a number that is considered.

Regarding sports betting, the correct way to predict is not only analyzing who is absent from the match or how many times the favorite team wins. But logic also plays an important role in analyzing the results of the match. I even sometimes use the odds provided by the bookmaker to strengthen my predictions. And the results are indeed correct and I get the victory by mixing other analysis with the number of odds available.

what I mean is that when betting on games odds can be deceptive so don't always follow the favorite odds but always try and be neutral in your analysis of the two teams

I don't exactly know how odds works in sports betting but the only thing that I know why odds change it's because of the demand. If many people are betting on team 1 as a sample and few people are betting on team 2, the odds on team 1 drop while team 2 increases.
That's exactly how I think the odds work so OP thinks that odds can be deceiving; I don't know but he might be right because most of the bettors only bet on low odds without analyzing.
For me, I always check their highlights and gameplay before betting. I don't rely betting on low odds; the chances of winning depend on how you analyze them.

Odds are not just a number; odds are given/set based on probability statistics like current form, H2H, trends and other historical datas - they are not just a random numbers given by bookmakers.  As a gambler you're meant to do your own research but odds gives you an insight on what to expect and where to look.

The chances of you losing your bets going against bookies favourites is very high. Chances of anyone winning is proportional to the odds given. I thought we all know this.

Although I agree to an extent because this case is vise versa, meaning that the odd in games set by the bookmakers are very important to any gambler because it is the multiplier of any amount used to stake such a game. The chance of a higher odd to play against the smaller odd is slim while the Chance of the lower odd to win against the big is higher that's why most guys will prefer to play with the smaller odd. But then small odd does not guarantee a sure win. Sometimes the bookmakers will give odd to the team to play according to how they believe the strength of both may be, but you as a gambler may see the advantage of the team with higher odd against the team of the smaller odd, and this will trigger such person to play the higher odd game because such a person knows what he may have seen and the game will surely play to his favour because he knows what the bookmakers may not have known. It could be that the team given the higher odd has lost several past matches, and has lost its strength and the bookmakers give them high odd while you have seen changes in the club maybe a new play may be added or a new Coach which you believe the match will not play as usual again.

I think you are severely mistaking something when understanding bookmakers and odds.

The probability and odds that bookmakers use have statistical basis depending on the current stats, news, and strategy of players in sports betting. For example, if a certain team has a 30% win-rate across the season, then bookmakers would put a higher stake on that team against the number 1 seeded team which has a 80% win-rate in the season.

I think instead of relying completely on bookmakers, we should use it supplementary to our knowledge. The decision is still ours to make and we combine the factual data that bookmakers use and our own research to form a somehow concrete decision in which team to choose and to bet on.



You definitely said it right.

Like what I also mentioned above, bookmakers use actual data regarding the statistics of a given team. They do not just throw random probability and odds to a certain team. Obviously, they also have to make money as they have an actual stake on their given games.

The claim that odds are just numbers brought by sports bookies is quite a false statement, it's true that result must times differs from what a sport booky or casino awarded but it doesn't mean it won't go as they award in other days the fact remains that not even smaller odds gives a guarantee of wins so it's basically in our hands to follow the team which we believe will perform better except we do not know anything about the sport we are trying to bet on and yeah if we don't know anything regarding them then it's advised that we shouldn't wager on them except we are trying out our fate.

First of al, there’s absolutely no football analytical tool that can help provide an accurate guess of what the game’s outcome would be. There several analytical tools provided when attempting to evaluate and predict the future outcome of a game and the odds selections happen to be one of those tools. Sometimes, just like other analytical tools, the odds can also give a misleading prediction and when you choose to follow them, they’ll completely mess up your whole parlays.

Actually sometimes even if you do not exactly bet on the team that you think might win, you may still be able to "beat" the bookmaker. I know theoretically, they will always have an edge over the gamblers but you could earn more than what you would have originally. Bookmakers can make mistakes sometimes. They can change the odds over the course of an event depending on multitude of factors. If you can catch the initial odds and make a bet then you could catch these mistakes set by the bookmaker and earn more. Sometimes knowing about the odds and not just the better performing team can allow you greater profits.

Most of the time I have seen that the favorites that are placed by the bookmakers win, but because the odds that the bookmakers place on the favorites are very low in the sense that they will not bring profit in the long term for the bettor, they force the player to choose markets in which there are higher odds.


For example:

in a game between Real Madrid and Osasuna. In this game, the bookmakers give odds of @1.50 for Real Madrid to win and @4.00 for Osasuna to win. The chances of Real Madrid winning are higher, but these odds of @1.50 are very low, they do not pay off in the long term, so choosing the over or under market in which there are odds of @2.00 would be worth it.

Odds can be deceiving and the bookmakers use this odds system to trick gamblers. it's you against them, the bookies also study statistics just like you, they know when a team is not in form due to injury of key players and other factors, they gather these informations and use it to their advantage. This is why sometimes you find out that the underdog with the bigger odds ends up winning the team with the higher chance of winning. Sometimes it's not a mistake, it's a trap that we as gamblers fall for, it's not always about the odds.

Ever since I experience such thing in gambling, I don't really focused on bookmakers odds anymore. Because time without number I have often withness something like that were most gamblers normally end up regretting at last, due to being scared of using the bigger odds then at the end of the day, the smaller odd normally end up losing to the bigger odd. However, I think it's essential to understand that odds doesn't brings winnings to us, so instead of losing with a smaller odd it will better that you lose it a bigger odd, after all gambling is full of unpredictable.

I do not just go for odds given by bookmakers. I prefer to make my own analyses and make sure that I select matches based on my own analyses. But I noticed that the bookmakers are excellent in odds. I will say just less than 1% matches that they are not accurate while their accuracies is more than 99%. But I can not depend on odd to bet, that is stupidity in my opinion.

I don't think that there are tricks by sports odd makers, they used a lot of math and AI to come up with that odds. It's for us to find out if that is good enough or maybe we want to go to the underdog.

And if you look at the odds, it's almost the same across crypto base casinos. Maybe they have one source, or different once, or even in house odd makers. But the thing is that they will come up with almost identical, meaning that there are no tricks behind, it's just the numbers that will come out when they go and come out with the odds between two teams.

Most times odds are not really a factor to consider when you are trying to predict the final outcome of a game, I have seen teams with big odds winning teams that end up winning the teams that are given small odds. The odds system is a tricky one, the bookies use this to confuse you so you would make the wrong choice...when trying to predict games apart form the odds there are other things that you can put into consideration before selecting, the formation of teams, head to head, goals conceded by both teams and other statistical factors that are very important.

I did not understand anything at first by reading your post. So I am discussin this with my friends about this post. Subject to discussion, I know that odds is actually a possibility. Which is made by chest makers. But it can’t guarantee whether it will win a game. Sometimes it is that the team that has more  odds lost and the small ad team wins. So I think that all these things in the case of gambling will be foolish because gambling only depends on luck in my long faith. So you’ll adopt some strategies in gambling and if the share is your help you can bring big wins and wins some strategies can be won even by adopting some strategies.

Odds made by the bookmakers aren't for deception of their gamblers. It's a normal output of numbers based on the chance of winning of the bet that are analyzed by them. I am the type of gambler if the odds are probably good and I know that there is a slight chance of win, I'll take that bet and come what may and whatever happens, that money is good as gone for me. But I have that little faith on it that the small chance of winnning could still make some twist of these games. I've seen that for so many times and made me won and that's why even if the underdogs, as long as the odds are acceptable based on my conscience, I'll take them. This is gambling, you gamble with the smallest odds and yet there is still a chance for them to lose. So, mind just as well bet on the better odds and change your mind of being positive and accepting with whatever outcome it brings.

Easy to say but really difficult to do. You are right though that we should not just be looking at the odds to choose where our bets should be. Let's also consider the history and player's status so that we can enhance our chance of winning. The odds can be deceitful and sometimes it is a trap. I have experienced losing 5 games in a row and all of them are the favorites. I guess bad luck also hit me that day or I was too lazy to look at the injury reports of each team. Still, we should be aware of everything, and as much as possible we should at least make an effort to check the records so that we won't regret our bets later on.

Personally, I think that's where different strategies comes into play. If I decide to predict the bigger odds to win, then I'd also need another ticket that bears a different option -- might not be an underdog, but a handicap against the bigger odds. That way, if the bigger odds come, I'll be in excessive profit.. but if not, I'll still have what to fall back to.

I seldom play with handicaps though!!
Most advices that you're being given turns out to be easier said than done... Especially when it has to do with gambling away your own funds.

I am as confused as you are trying to get OP’s point. Odds are designed to give us hints on the likely outcome of the game and they are what we need as guide to place a bet even though the game may not always happen based on what the odds are saying. Why would a person bet against the favorites when we are looking to win, I know things will not always go in your favor but it’s better to bet on the favorites and if it didn’t go well then you will know you were not just lucky.

I don’t agree with you about this, being a favorite means the team has better odds of winning and after considering every factor their chances of winning is higher and that is why they are labeled as the favorites. Although being the favorite doesn’t guarantee a win but then it doesn’t take away the title of the favorites.

In what way we should not be deceived by the odds if they're the ones that are being displayed by the bookies? Don't bet for the lower ones? and we should go with the higher ones? or the opposite way? If there is a better approach than this, tell us technically on how we can work with out because it's not going to be an easy for someone who sees these odds as opportunities while there are some folks that tells that they shouldn't believe on what they see where in fact that they're the actual numbers that these bookies show.

The reality favorite teams tend to win than the underdog.

Whenever underdogs tend to win and already consistent, they will become favorites and their odds would be low.

Yeah sometimes underdogs do pull off upsets, but it only happen for few times and random.

Your bet still depends on your luck, not only about how small or big the odds you pick.

Gambling odds are pointers to the favourites and it could be a guide on who to bet on. I think what OP wants to say is that we shouldn't always bet on teams that gambling platforms give higher or lower chances of winning.  We should always so our research before betting. Normally, teams that have higher odds have lower chances of winning maybe because they are playing against a stronger side. I know people who have made money betting on unfavourites and luckily these underrated teams won the match.

You can't say all teams have the same chance of winning a match. There will always be a team that is favored to win in every match. The numbers offered by bookmakers are based on the chances of winning. There are sometimes surprises but that doesn't say anything that all teams have the same chance of winning.
Like in Ligue 1, bookmakers will not give the same Odds when the PSG vs Montpellier match. The Odds will definitely be smaller for a team that is unbeaten all season than a team that is at the bottom of the standings.

Odds can be deceiving, but why would they purposely use odds to deceive anyone? That doesn't make any sense. This would just mean that they would knowingly risk more money against people who actually know anything about teams and their history.

Reason why the odds are small, is probability for other team to win is calculated higher. That doesn't mean they would win. That's why there are smaller and bigger odds. Purposely weaponizing them would be counter effective and irresponsible use of money that others would immediately exploit.

As for me - it sounds like bookie scams himself. If some gamblers, who analyze these events will see such kind of odds - they`ll get big prize in every such game. The same time, i got cancelled bets with notice like "bookie mistake"
Sometimes bookie really mistakes. You can try to catch these moments. And even can to get good money from it. But it is really mistake, more often you can see it in low leagues.
Good advice is - analyze events before betting, believe in your analyze and bet according it.

When it comes to sports betting the odds don't really matter most times, all you need to do is proper research. In basketball games it's common for the team with the bigger odd to win, I've experienced it several times. This simply means that the bookmakers are ahead of the gamblers in terms of information, they know something that you don't but they still make sure that are trapped with the odd system. This is why as a gambler especially if you are into sports betting you must always work with statistics. Most times when I predict football games where a team with high value odd plays against another team with a small odd I work with either the handicap market, goals market or corner instead of straight win.

Odd will show the likely favorite team to win which doesn't mean you have to go with it, there's many incidents the underdog turned the games upside down so it's your instinct to go with it irrespective of odds. But there are players who just bet on every games and some games they won't even aware of what it is and they are the most likely place their bets based on the odds favoring team.

When it comes to gambling odds could be trikiss because it always make people to be confused when placing a bet because when a gambler sees the different odds he will be confused sometimes with the One to choose because odds could be tempting, one thing that I will say when gambling is that we should always follow our mind and become our minds sometimes tells the right odds to choose but most are times we ignore it due to the fact that a team that we believe that will win a game because of the kind of players that is in the team and most some times what our minds was telling us to follow us what actually works out.


This issue of odds is something that is complicated because some times the bookmakers are actually right because I have seen odds that where really big and placed bet on them and I lost, what I can say is that some big odds plays once in a while because we we follow what you are saying OP many people is going to lose more money in gambling because one thing that I believe is that before the bookmakers are bringing out any odds they have done a thorough review of the two teams and has gotten sufficient information about the teams strengthens

I do tell my friends that odds should not be the major reason for them to gamble on a particular game because such could be deceiving, thought they can also from there have a big winning opportunity, but the risk attached is high and the chances of winning in such situation could not be affordable by us except we want to lose with high probability, we should therefore not plan the whole of our games base on odds because some may be to just freak us to playing the bet which we are mostly going to loose, we should know and be aware of all these tricks in gambling.

You're right when you said that some may be just  just to freak us, because sometimes those bookmakers can decide to give a high odd to a particular team and in some cases those teams that is given a higher odd can be more consistant than those thier opponent that was given a lesser odd. and is obvious that this always happen in those leagues that people don't pick interest to watch whenever they're playing, apart from seeing it in livescore. and without you making analysis Definitely you will  end up falling for that trap, this is why is very important to make analysis before betting.

I don't think using the odds to predict game is an effective method of electing games to bet because I have seen instances whereby team with lower odd lose miserably to teams with bigger odd. Although some people sometimes use the odds to make decision,  I see that as something that is not effective because the odds are just based on what the bookies feel is the probability of the event happening, it is not certain and therefore can changed. What is more important is understanding the team you are betting on to know what is that most probable option to bet on. The latest performance of the team is also another important factor that play a part on the outcome of the match because teams that are consistent will have higher chances of winning than teams that are not.

I don't think odds by the oddmakers are deceiving though, that numbers was not just pull from thin air. They have this modelling that's why they come up with this odds which could be fair enough for gamblers. Of course, there will be instance that they are going to be wrong and gamblers are right.

So it's really up to us to see the odds and make a educate guess or what line could have value for us. Maybe when we see the odds and we know that something might be off, then go and bet on the underdog for a good win. But most likely, the favorite has a great chance of winning as per their modelling or numbers being analyzed, thousands of them to come up with which one is the favorite or which one is the underdog.

It works sometimes but not all the time. Basically what casinos do is they measure the capacity of both teams and use it to evaluate their chances of winning then they use that as statistics to calculate the odds they allocate to different game outcomes. And obviously the teams with lower chances of winning usually get the bigger odds and vice versa.
Nevertheless sometimes it still works out since based on probability too chances have it that odds could flip against statistics too.

Odds most often reflect the marketplace for that bet which is money not true probability of a win for either team.   If one team has a large following and they bet alot then the odds can easily be inaccurate, it doesnt have to follow the real likelihood of a win if people are overly supportive even when the team may be tired or have a special reason for not winning that week.   This is how value is created and a good bet can be had, knowing the detail can alter everything but its rarely easy to spot.