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Title: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 12, 2025, 01:26:06 AM
Recently, I noticed there’re more newbies and more awareness about the usage of cold storage on the forum, so I thought about bringing back the discussion:
What could be the suitable method for storing Seed Phrases in Nigeria?

Yeah, we will be discussing suitable methods that can be used in Nigeria.
Here’s what I was able to come up with from my side.
Seed on a piece of paper is common, but if we want to store our Seed Phrases in Nigeria, we still need to consider some conditions before choosing a perfect method that would work.
Among them are:
  • Considering how people around you (family) could be illiterate about it, and somehow you might end up losing it to a trash bag or it might just be tossed away if eventually found someday. at the same time it still needs to be less spooky incase it falls in the wrong hands
  • One of the common rodents in Nigeria is the rat, and most people prefer just writing their seed on a piece of paper. Rats eat paper and related materials, so if you are in an environment with the possibility of rats, then you might want to reconsider the usage of paper.
  • Environmental hazards like floods and fires are also common and need to be considered. Also, in cases of paper, water spillage can also ruin things.

There’re others to be considered too, but with these few points, we should already be able to come up with a better way. Still, I know there is no perfect way to store seed phrases, which is why I want us to discuss it.
What methods do we use as individuals or think could be a little bit perfect (of course it can’t be totally perfect) to store our seeds as Nigerians? Adding other conditions to consider is also welcome.

Here’s what I found on my side:
Having a seed phrase on a steel metal plate - at least this could withstand heat and somehow doesn’t look like garbage(to someone that could be illiterate to it) in case it’s found, and it can withstand fire to some extent. Water damage is less of a concern too. It won’t still be safe in case of flooding,Moises can be of a concern little because  of rusting but it’s a good methd IMO.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/12/xtBBJ.jpeg
visual look, having it in a key holder (in order or numbered) for storage
Note: Key-holder as used in the image above was only used for holding the plates together, it's not meant to be carried around like normal keys, it's meant to be stored in a safe place instead, carryingarround will only increase the chance of losing it .. That being said , it's better numbered (the plates) in order to prevent future confusion as well.

Let’s share our ideas as a discussion too. Corrections and additions are also welcom..


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Felicity_Tide on April 12, 2025, 02:30:35 AM
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Here’s what I found on my side:
Having a seed phrase on a steel metal plate - at least this could withstand heat and somehow doesn’t look like garbage(to someone that could be illiterate to it) in case it’s found, and it can withstand fire to some extent. Water damage is less of a concern too. It won’t still be safe in case of flooding,Moises can be of a concern little because  of rusting but it’s a good methd IMO.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/12/xtBBJ.jpeg
visual look, having it in a key holder (in order or numbered) for storage

Let’s share our ideas as a discussion too. Corrections and additions are also welcom..

Nice topic @OP. If I'm mistaken, are we supposed to inscribe our seed phrase on that metal steel?. If that's the case, it's not such a terrible idea, but how many people can actually do it by themselves?. Just like you said, metals are highly heat resistant, so inscribing those words might be very difficult, and giving it to a welder is not a good idea either. But for anyone that can do it own his/her, then that's already a one security step ahead.

And since keys are very easy to misplace these days, i won't advise that we attach the metal plate to our key holder. We might just want to keep it in a secret place like the paper technic, and how about using this metal plate technic, and also having a paper backup.

And the technic I will always recommend aside hardware will always be the paper technic. I haven't really thought of anyone aside that.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: rachael9385 on April 12, 2025, 07:50:53 AM
~snip

Here’s what I found on my side:
Having a seed phrase on a steel metal plate - at least this could withstand heat and somehow doesn’t look like garbage(to someone that could be illiterate to it) in case it’s found, and it can withstand fire to some extent. Water damage is less of a concern too. It won’t still be safe in case of flooding,Moises can be of a concern little because  of rusting but it’s a good methd IMO.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/12/xtBBJ.jpeg
visual look, having it in a key holder (in order or numbered) for storage

Let’s share our ideas as a discussion too. Corrections and additions are also welcom..

Nice topic @OP. If I'm mistaken, are we supposed to inscribe our seed phrase on that metal steel?. If that's the case, it's not such a terrible idea, but how many people can actually do it by themselves?. Just like you said, metals are highly heat resistant, so inscribing those words might be very difficult, and giving it to a welder is not a good idea either. But for anyone that can do it own his/her, then that's already a one security step ahead.
Actually I like the topic because it's an interesting (important) topic to make discussions cause it talks about the security and how to store our seed phrase. Actually the fact that many of us can not make them by inscribing the words into the metal steel ourselves makes the security of our wallet not 100% safe. But I suggest that if we can divide the words in two part and give to different welders, that way it would be safe because non of them can guess the other words, besides almost 60% of welders in some areas might not know what's that unless you tell them about it.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 12, 2025, 08:07:37 AM
Here’s what I found on my side:
Having a seed phrase on a steel metal plate - at least this could withstand heat and somehow doesn’t look like garbage(to someone that could be illiterate to it) in case it’s found, and it can withstand fire to some extent. Water damage is less of a concern too. It won’t still be safe in case of flooding,Moises can be of a concern little because  of rusting but it’s a good methd IMO.
Titanium or stainless steel may not be enough for flooding as the flood can sweep the metal away. No earthquake in Nigeria as of now that I know of. But both are enough against fire because they are resistant to heat up to certain very high temperature.

Flooding has never before happened in where I leave. The chance it would happen is very slim. I prefer my paper backup. Nobody touch where I keep my books. Rats are not there. I have two backups in different locations. Memorizing the seed phrase is not advisable nor recommended but it can be the last resort.

Nice topic @OP. If I'm mistaken, are we supposed to inscribe our seed phrase on that metal steel?. If that's the case, it's not such a terrible idea, but how many people can actually do it by themselves?. Just like you said, metals are highly heat resistant, so inscribing those words might be very difficult, and giving it to a welder is not a good idea either. But for anyone that can do it own his/her, then that's already a one security step ahead.
This may be helpful:
https://youtube.com/shorts/YeZxOKDVLX0?si=dI1tEk6s0h5VJVWj

And since keys are very easy to misplace these days, i won't advise that we attach the metal plate to our key holder. We might just want to keep it in a secret place like the paper technic, and how about using this metal plate technic, and also having a paper backup.
The titanium or steel are far bigger than key holders and not what you be carrying about. Also no one will want to carry his money/seed phrase to everywhere he is going ss it is not secure.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 12, 2025, 09:43:51 AM

Nice topic @OP. If I'm mistaken, are we supposed to inscribe our seed phrase on that metal steel?. If that's the case, it's not such a terrible idea, but how many people can actually do it by themselves?..
Yes and it should be secret , which means you do it yourself self
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Just like you said, metals are highly heat resistant, so inscribing those words might be very difficult, and giving it to a welder is not a good idea either. But for anyone that can do it own his/her, then that's already a one security step ahead
Yeah inscribing could be a tedious job to handle  but you can use some engraving tool to hasten the process, CharlesTim gave you one already that use hand engraving tool, there’s also laser engraving tool and similar engraving pen but depending on the steel strength some might not cut through..Generally engraving tool are the best to use in this case.
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And since keys are very easy to misplace these days, i won't advise that we attach the metal plate to our key holder.
Yeah , the idea of key holder is just to hold the metal plates together before storing it in a secured location to avoid misplacing any of them, not to start carrying them around
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and how about using this metal plate technic, and also having a paper backup.
Yes having other backups plus multiple is a good idea(several methods could be carried out as we don’t know which will really be of benefit in future ) and not just only just that it should not be too much as it could increase the chance of getting to a wrong hand.

. But I suggest that if we can divide the words in two part and give to different welders, that way it would be safe because non of them can guess the other words, besides almost 60% of welders in some areas might not know what's that unless you tell them about it.
You don’t need a welder, and just as I replied to Felicity_Tide, all you need is engraving tools you can read the comment about that, also Charles-Tim already gave a nice example..


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Agbe on April 12, 2025, 11:04:38 AM
Nice one saving your seed phrase on a mental by inscription is a good idea but to me instead of going through all these it's better that we save our seeds phrase on steel plate so that we can access it easily at anytime and also writing it down on paper where it can't be destroyed easily. Storage of the seed phrase is the most important thing to do in this crypto investment.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: SuperBitMan on April 12, 2025, 11:38:05 AM
It is a good idea but what if the metal plate or key holder gets missing, however saving our seed phrase in a metal is a very good idea but I think it should be written in a metal that can't miss like that for example the metal door in your room you can just call those that construct metal doors and tell them to write your seed phrase some where in your door let it be written like a design that way it will be safe from missing, fire, water, etc. Someone may say what if the door rust we all know those metal door don't rust like that even if it will it takes years and if you even notice that is about to rust you can just repent it and it will be as good as new and because ur seed phrase is written as part of design of the door it will still be there so I think this way will surely be better and more safe.



Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Amphenomenon on April 12, 2025, 12:45:58 PM
I think relatively often times we all start with the paper technique and then move to a more feasible and secure one for us. To be honest I haven't thought about this by the way.

And since keys are very easy to misplace these days, i won't advise that we attach the metal plate to our key holder. We might just want to keep it in a secret place like the paper technic, and how about using this metal plate technic, and also having a paper backup.
The titanium or steel are far bigger than key holders and not what you be carrying about. Also no one will want to carry his money/seed phrase to everywhere he is going ss it is not secure.
This is the fact about the key holder, I love the whole idea about it and while it's possible to take it everywhere we go, it's obviously not secure.

That aside having something like that might attract the fancy of those not even literate about all these, they might just want to use it more likely if it has no key on it.

I recommend after using the key holder, another thing is to get a sticker and wrap each of it plate and also it would be better if the plates were actually more than 12 or 24 because that would definitely make those knowledgeable about it and have malicious purpose have their eyes on us.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: rachael9385 on April 12, 2025, 03:56:48 PM
. But I suggest that if we can divide the words in two part and give to different welders, that way it would be safe because non of them can guess the other words, besides almost 60% of welders in some areas might not know what's that unless you tell them about it.
You don’t need a welder, and just as I replied to Felicity_Tide, all you need is engraving tools you can read the comment about that, also Charles-Tim already gave a nice example..

Okay thanks for the heads up, I just finished watching the video on YouTube reels through the link Charles-Tim posted above. However this can be done at home if you have the steel metal plate. But where can we get it in case anyone of us want it?

Although my seed phrase is written in a paper and where I stay we normally  experience flood each year, but though we're I kept it is safe but I think this pattern is more better than the piece of paper. I think I can order this on Amazon


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Mr Reporter on April 12, 2025, 05:32:31 PM
Honestly speaking I wanted to pass this post but something in me told me to stop by, this topic is a very useful information using metal plates as an key holder is not really not an bad idea this has been on trending for a while this help storing the seed phrases and it can really protect against environmental factors like fire and water just as you have mentioned, I guess I will see to your perspective on telling an professional to engrave the seed phrases onto a metal door, sheet, key holder's, to ensure it is done correctly and securely.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 12, 2025, 07:35:40 PM

Although my seed phrase is written in a paper and where I stay we normally  experience flood each year, but though we're I kept it is safe but I think this pattern is more better than the piece of paper. I think I can order this on Amazon
Well, the plate might not be able to protect against flood if swept away but if not it will withstand water damage unlike paperand can not get easily swept away.
Also, you can get it on Amazon( it will need shipping fee ) , search  Blank Tags for Engraving.. Temu also have it .. but I couldn't see any on Jumia( maybe a better search can ) .

.. but to me instead of going through all these it's better that we save our seeds phrase on my Gmail so that we can access it anytime that we want your email is not something that anyone could access so instead of writing it down on paper where it can be destroyed easily and even fall into the wrong hand it's better that we save it online which to me will be safer because you are the only one that has the password to your email account
It's  not actually  a good idea to store seed phrase online , Email   could be safe to some extent but can still be hacked/ compromised ..
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, I guess I will see to your perspective on telling an professional to engrave the seed phrases onto a metal door, sheet, key holder's, to ensure it is done correctly and securely.
Not to  those that you mentioned, but just to a stell plate, more like a dog tags,and the idea of the key holder is just to bind them together before storing it somewhere safe and not to carry them around everywhere.


This is actually  a discussion , that was just my suggestion... You all can bring your  ideas of other secured storage then we can all possibly contribute to your idea.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Stalker22 on April 12, 2025, 09:05:34 PM
Nice one saving your seed phrase on a mental by inscription is a good idea but to me instead of going through all these it's better that we save our seeds phrase on my Gmail so that we can access it anytime that we want your email is not something that anyone could access so instead of writing it down on paper where it can be destroyed easily and even fall into the wrong hand it's better that we save it online which to me will be safer because you are the only one that has the password to your email account

No. thats very bad advice. Seriously? Putting your seed in Gmail is not smart.  Hackers can get into accounts, you might get phished, or even Google itself could be hacked someday.  You be trading a small risk of fire or something happening to paper for a huge digital risk. Thats really naive thinking.  Paper can burn sure, but it cant be hacked from anywhere in seconds like an email can.  So I would not recommend keeping your secrets in Gmail.  Too risky.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Amphenomenon on April 12, 2025, 09:17:16 PM

Although my seed phrase is written in a paper and where I stay we normally  experience flood each year, but though we're I kept it is safe but I think this pattern is more better than the piece of paper. I think I can order this on Amazon
Well, the plate might not be able to protect against flood if swept away but if not it will withstand water damage unlike paperand can not get easily swept away.
Also, you can get it on Amazon( it will need shipping fee ) , search  Blank Tags for Engraving.. Temu also have it .. but I couldn't see any on Jumia( maybe a better search can ) .
It's still on Jumia did search it with this Blank Tags for Engraving and got this: https://www.jumia.com.ng/generic-10pcs-strip-bar-keychain-new-mirror-polish-stainless-steel-stamping-blank-keychain-for-diy-custom-name-engrave-tags-keychain-396322873.html.

While Amazon or other foreign platform is good, the delivery fee might be discouraging. I think another method might be to try any pet shop and ask for dog/pet tags of such feature, I guess this can be used as an alternative.


.. but to me instead of going through all these it's better that we save our seeds phrase on my Gmail so that we can access it anytime that we want your email is not something that anyone could access so instead of writing it down on paper where it can be destroyed easily and even fall into the wrong hand it's better that we save it online which to me will be safer because you are the only one that has the password to your email account
It's  not actually  a good idea to store seed phrase online , Email   could be safe to some extent but can still be hacked/ compromised ..
Gmail or Email is a terrible way of storing seed phrase to be honest. You can password can be secure but that doesn't mean hackers still can't break it or the method sim swap won't work against you, if your sim connected to it.

To reduce the risk of attackers or criminals in getting our cryptocurrency or bitcoin, offline reduces the risk significantly for us because when there are many attackers with time there is an high tendency of one getting access.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: fredericktaylor on April 13, 2025, 11:34:40 AM
OP has brought up a really important issue before us. I think this topic is very important for me and the newbies.
If we can write it on paper and save it properly, then it can be said to be a very easy step or way, but if we cannot save it properly due to our natural disasters or our own problems, then we must write it in metal or steel and keep it in a proper or safe place, but even if it is a little temporary difficulty to do this, it will be a good or reliable step to take.


Nice one saving your seed phrase on a mental by inscription is a good idea but to me instead of going through all these it's better that we save our seeds phrase on my Gmail so that we can access it anytime that we want your email is not something that anyone could access so instead of writing it down on paper where it can be destroyed easily and even fall into the wrong hand it's better that we save it online which to me will be safer because you are the only one that has the password to your email account

I never agree with saving wallet password or wallet fresh in Gmail, because Gmail can be hacked at any time in any way, it cannot be a safe place. Whoever takes this step can put himself in danger or lose all his money. So I will never save my wallet password or fresh in Gmail and I will not encourage others to do so, I think it is a wrong step.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: sokani on April 13, 2025, 02:10:09 PM
Let’s share our ideas as a discussion too.
Nice. Though I write my own on a piece of paper but one thing I like about this method be say you fit pay a technician to cut the metal into shapes for you and later get a tool take crest the seed phrase yourself.

It is a good idea but what if the metal plate or key holder gets missing
Nah to keep am for a place where another eyes on go see am.

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I think it should be written in a metal that can't miss like that for example the metal door in your room you can just call those that construct metal doors and tell them to write your seed phrase some where in your door let it be written like a design that way it will be safe from missing, fire, water, etc.
I think it's a dumb idea. Anybody fit see the seed phrase on the door. Secondly, even the welder wey you call to come crest the seed on the door fit know about crypto and steal your funds. No use your hand spoil things for yourself. If you no fit do op method, write am on a piece of paper and store in multiple places.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: SatoPrincess on April 13, 2025, 05:25:02 PM
Nice one saving your seed phrase on a mental by inscription is a good idea but to me instead of going through all these it's better that we save our seeds phrase on my Gmail so that we can access it anytime that we want your email is not something that anyone could access so instead of writing it down on paper where it can be destroyed easily and even fall into the wrong hand it's better that we save it online which to me will be safer because you are the only one that has the password to your email account
Are you being serious right now Agbe or did you lose access to your account? Many newbies and lower rank look at those with Legendary rank as experts in cryptocurrency so they may take your words literally without doing further research. It is very very bad to store your seed phrase on your Gmail or anywhere online.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Agbe on April 13, 2025, 05:45:25 PM
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My bad corrected it. Though email/gmail is well secured now and it is not easily hacked. But it is not advisable to keep vital information there and it is good to store your seed in the local way of paper or airgapped wallet.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 13, 2025, 06:59:08 PM
It's still on Jumia did search it with this Blank Tags for Engraving and got this: https://www.jumia.com.ng/generic-10pcs-strip-bar-keychain-new-mirror-polish-stainless-steel-stamping-blank-keychain-for-diy-custom-name-engrave-tags-keychain-396322873.html.

While Amazon or other foreign platform is good, the delivery fee might be discouraging. I think another method might be to try any pet shop and ask for dog/pet tags of such feature, I guess this can be used as an alternative.
Good search..
Although not sure what’s really going to be as there were 2 different images, but still a good choice and can be easily returned if it doesn’t meet the expectation. Amazon is good too but the delivery is somehow like paying double of what is being purchased but if anyone can afford it, then there’s no problem  :).
Most people don’t use dog tags on pet here in Nigeria but it could be worth giving a try.
Nice. Though I write my own on a piece of paper but one thing I like about this method be say you fit pay a technician to cut the metal into shapes for you and later get a tool take crest the seed phrase yourself.
Paper is actually a good approach too (so far it’s offline ) and you have more of it backed not to much ( the number is yours to decide), the steel plate is just an extra precaution towards some unforeseen events.
Regarding the metal plate, it comes in pieces that can be easily worked on , you can get the pack more than 12 pieces or more than 24 if you have a 24 word-list seed. You can try alternates too if you can get a big one just that you might pay extra than just getting the ready made one


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Obim34 on April 13, 2025, 07:29:59 PM
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My bad corrected it. Though email/gmail is well secured now and it is not easily hacked. But it is not advisable to keep vital information there and it is good to store your seed in the local way of paper or airgapped wallet.
You think say e dey okay till you become victim. Using Gmail to save your private keys is not secure and shouldn't be encouraged to people.

Did you forget about Gmail attack? Gmail is now the most common method of signing up for personal applications, our main banks request for email, Opay/Palmpay even takes it as part of their verification level, if scammers should get hold of your Gmail by any means possible, everything saved up will be duped. Offline is a better way of securing keys than online.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: SatoPrincess on April 13, 2025, 11:30:38 PM
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My bad corrected it. Though email/gmail is well secured now and it is not easily hacked. But it is not advisable to keep vital information there and it is good to store your seed in the local way of paper or airgapped wallet.
Lol email accounts are not susceptible to hacks. And what do you mean by storing your seed phrase in an airgapped wallet? I have never heard of this method before. Please elaborate.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Makus on April 14, 2025, 08:38:28 PM
Oo well done no be small you don do so, the topic of privacy and security for this space na very important one wey we no supposed let an slide especially when we Dey get guests all over the forum and also for the benefit of some new guys wey just join us. Sometimes some old dude sef need to hear am to remind them say this crypto space no be to go loose guard your resources, because any slight mistakes fit make one hacker sweep you reach ground, so na to use wisdom for this side make other no use you learn lesson. As I Dey read I come across post wey say email get strong encryption. The truth na be say any internet storage medium na cast for this side, because the biggest mistake wey any bitcoin or crypto enthusiasts fit make na to go store em seed phrase for internet. E Dey really easy for hackers to brute force email password especially when e no too strong, even small scammers sef Dey hack email naim we Dey talk Dey go far.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 15, 2025, 02:26:45 PM
The truth na be say any internet storage medium na cast for this side, because the biggest mistake wey any bitcoin or crypto enthusiasts fit make na to go store em seed phrase for internet. E Dey really easy for hackers to brute force email password especially when e no too strong, even small scammers sef Dey hack email naim we Dey talk Dey go far.
That being said, even an hack on your email can possess a serious threat for you(not only your data)...  for additional security enable two factor authentications on your email providers, if it supports it for example google mail ( Gmail) supports two factor authentication, yet sensitive data shouldn't be stored on email. Although  email can still be used to request change of password for some service but without some sensitive datas it might take a while, thus prompting you to take necessary actions before the damage will be done, that doesn't still means some damage won't still be done( it's one worse event to experience) 


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Coyster on April 15, 2025, 02:58:28 PM
But it is not advisable to keep vital information there and it is good to store your seed in the local way of paper or airgapped wallet.
Na your wallet file you go store for airgapped device, but that is not your backup na, you have to backup your seed phrase offline. Having an airgapped wallet is not a substitute for your backup, just the same way as having a hardware wallet does not mean you won't back up your seed phrase, these are two different things.


To answer the OP: If person dey live alone and you mostly live a quiet life, storing your seed phrase on a paper poses little risk, but if you are worried of fire and other stuffs that can damage a paper, then na to use stainless steel backup.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Makus on April 15, 2025, 05:30:49 PM
The truth na be say any internet storage medium na cast for this side, because the biggest mistake wey any bitcoin or crypto enthusiasts fit make na to go store em seed phrase for internet. E Dey really easy for hackers to brute force email password especially when e no too strong, even small scammers sef Dey hack email naim we Dey talk Dey go far.
That being said, even an hack on your email can possess a serious threat for you(not only your data)...  for additional security enable two factor authentications on your email providers, if it supports it for example google mail ( Gmail) supports two factor authentication, yet sensitive data shouldn't be stored on email. Although  email can still be used to request change of password for some service but without some sensitive datas it might take a while, thus prompting you to take necessary actions before the damage will be done, that doesn't still means some damage won't still be done( it's one worse event to experience) 

Absolutely, so as it stands email be like two edge sword the same way e dey important as backup or authentication to some sensitive information by all means  na still the same amount of damage  e fit cause  if hacker get hold of am. I Don hear of multiple cases why dem wipe person money from account just by gaining access  to the person email, that na why I support  your idea of using two factor authentication to protect your email, and the same time use better password. Normally the two factory authentication na your Sim  you still dey use take run that one, and I gi still advise make una encrypt una Sim card, just like the way we been dey do when we dey use button phones. Till today I still dey lock my Sim card because  if person fit gain access  thief my phone with just my Sim card dem go fit gain access  to all my microfinance banks and we know where that one go end, so the topic of security  na very important  one wey we no suppose to joke with for this life.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Sonia_123 on April 20, 2025, 11:45:24 PM
Recently, I noticed there’re more newbies and more awareness about the usage of cold storage on the forum, so I thought about bringing back the discussion:
What could be the suitable method for storing Seed Phrases in Nigeria?

Yeah, we will be discussing suitable methods that can be used in Nigeria.
Here’s what I was able to come up with from my side.
Seed on a piece of paper is common, but if we want to store our Seed Phrases in Nigeria, we still need to consider some conditions before choosing a perfect method that would work.
Among them are:
  • Considering how people around you (family) could be illiterate about it, and somehow you might end up losing it to a trash bag or it might just be tossed away if eventually found someday. at the same time it still needs to be less spooky incase it falls in the wrong hands
  • One of the common rodents in Nigeria is the rat, and most people prefer just writing their seed on a piece of paper. Rats eat paper and related materials, so if you are in an environment with the possibility of rats, then you might want to reconsider the usage of paper.
  • Environmental hazards like floods and fires are also common and need to be considered. Also, in cases of paper, water spillage can also ruin things.

There’re others to be considered too, but with these few points, we should already be able to come up with a better way. Still, I know there is no perfect way to store seed phrases, which is why I want us to discuss it.
What methods do we use as individuals or think could be a little bit perfect (of course it can’t be totally perfect) to store our seeds as Nigerians? Adding other conditions to consider is also welcome.

Here’s what I found on my side:
Having a seed phrase on a steel metal plate - at least this could withstand heat and somehow doesn’t look like garbage(to someone that could be illiterate to it) in case it’s found, and it can withstand fire to some extent. Water damage is less of a concern too. It won’t still be safe in case of flooding,Moises can be of a concern little because  of rusting but it’s a good methd IMO.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/12/xtBBJ.jpeg
visual look, having it in a key holder (in order or numbered) for storage

Let’s share our ideas as a discussion too. Corrections and additions are also welcom..
Nice job Op Well-done for those that will really want to do these key holder , you will hardly know that it's a seed phrase written on it, well protected, waterproof and customized, no need for writing on paper that can be soiled at any time or mistakenly torn at any point in time easily accessible also not easily misplaced.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 21, 2025, 07:50:17 AM
Nice job Op Well-done for those that will really want to do these key holder , you will hardly know that it's a seed phrase written on it, well protected, waterproof and customized, no need for writing on paper that can be soiled at any time or mistakenly torn at any point in time easily accessible also not easily misplaced.
Having a seed phrase on a key holder is not recommended at all, especially if you will be carrying the key holder about. If your coin is stolen as fast as possible, do not be surprised. It would be good if promise444c5 change it to a better metal (stainless steel or titanium) seed phrase backup that can be recommended.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 21, 2025, 11:56:53 AM
Nice job Op Well-done for those that will really want to do these key holder , you will hardly know that it's a seed phrase written on it, well protected, waterproof and customized, no need for writing on paper that can be soiled at any time or mistakenly torn at any point in time easily accessible also not easily misplaced.
Having a seed phrase on a key holder is not recommended at all, especially if you will be carrying the key holder about. If your coin is stolen as fast as possible, do not be surprised. It would be good if promise444c5 change it to a better metal (stainless steel or titanium) seed phrase backup that can be recommended.
Well , I think they are all getting the concept of "key-holder" wrong here,I already tried  explaining the role  in my previous comment..
Generally, key holder are meant to hold keys together as one instead of separate pieces,now it left for user to carry it around or not. Same here, the keyholder is just to hold this plates together, doesn't necessarily have to be a keyholder, could be any type of holder or container to keep them all as a group and not scattered  as parts  could be misplaced easily, then stored in a safe place after and  not to be carried around.
I will also add it as a note on the thread to prevent  confusions too.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Palvictor06 on April 21, 2025, 08:43:20 PM
Recently, I noticed there’re more newbies and more awareness about the usage of cold storage on the forum, so I thought about bringing back the discussion:
What could be the suitable method for storing Seed Phrases in Nigeria?

Yeah, we will be discussing suitable methods that can be used in Nigeria.
Here’s what I was able to come up with from my side.
Seed on a piece of paper is common, but if we want to store our Seed Phrases in Nigeria, we still need to consider some conditions before choosing a perfect method that would work.
Among them are:
  • Considering how people around you (family) could be illiterate about it, and somehow you might end up losing it to a trash bag or it might just be tossed away if eventually found someday. at the same time it still needs to be less spooky incase it falls in the wrong hands
  • One of the common rodents in Nigeria is the rat, and most people prefer just writing their seed on a piece of paper. Rats eat paper and related materials, so if you are in an environment with the possibility of rats, then you might want to reconsider the usage of paper.
  • Environmental hazards like floods and fires are also common and need to be considered. Also, in cases of paper, water spillage can also ruin things.

There’re others to be considered too, but with these few points, we should already be able to come up with a better way. Still, I know there is no perfect way to store seed phrases, which is why I want us to discuss it.
What methods do we use as individuals or think could be a little bit perfect (of course it can’t be totally perfect) to store our seeds as Nigerians? Adding other conditions to consider is also welcome.

Here’s what I found on my side:
Having a seed phrase on a steel metal plate - at least this could withstand heat and somehow doesn’t look like garbage(to someone that could be illiterate to it) in case it’s found, and it can withstand fire to some extent. Water damage is less of a concern too. It won’t still be safe in case of flooding,Moises can be of a concern little because  of rusting but it’s a good methd IMO.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/12/xtBBJ.jpeg
visual look, having it in a key holder (in order or numbered) for storage
Note: Key-holder as used in the image above was only used for holding the plates together, it's not meant to be carried around like normal keys, it's meant to be stored in a safe place instead, carryingarround will only increase the chance of losing it .. That being said , it's better numbered (the plates) in order to prevent future confusion as well.

Let’s share our ideas as a discussion too. Corrections and additions are also welcom..
Consider storing your seed phrases in multiple locations to ensure you can recover them if one location is compromised.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Sim_card on April 22, 2025, 03:00:20 PM
Nice job Op Well-done for those that will really want to do these key holder , you will hardly know that it's a seed phrase written on it, well protected, waterproof and customized, no need for writing on paper that can be soiled at any time or mistakenly torn at any point in time easily accessible also not easily misplaced.
Having a seed phrase on a key holder is not recommended at all, especially if you will be carrying the key holder about. If your coin is stolen as fast as possible, do not be surprised. It would be good if promise444c5 change it to a better metal (stainless steel or titanium) seed phrase backup that can be recommended.
Well , I think they are all getting the concept of "key-holder" wrong here,I already tried  explaining the role  in my previous comment..
Generally, key holder are meant to hold keys together as one instead of separate pieces,now it left for user to carry it around or not. Same here, the keyholder is just to hold this plates together, doesn't necessarily have to be a keyholder, could be any type of holder or container to keep them all as a group and not scattered  as parts  could be misplaced easily, then stored in a safe place after and  not to be carried around.
I will also add it as a note on the thread to prevent  confusions too.
Your seed phrase shouldn't be like the way it is on the picture in the OP, because it's easy for children to place their hands on key holder to play with. If you keep the key holder in a safe place without moving it around will be nice. However, engraving it an a steel plate is very good. The most important thing is that you keep it safe from third party because it doesn't matter where you write your seed phrase on be it on paper or metal steel plate.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Makus on April 22, 2025, 03:58:56 PM
Nice job Op Well-done for those that will really want to do these key holder , you will hardly know that it's a seed phrase written on it, well protected, waterproof and customized, no need for writing on paper that can be soiled at any time or mistakenly torn at any point in time easily accessible also not easily misplaced.
Having a seed phrase on a key holder is not recommended at all, especially if you will be carrying the key holder about. If your coin is stolen as fast as possible, do not be surprised. It would be good if promise444c5 change it to a better metal (stainless steel or titanium) seed phrase backup that can be recommended.
Well , I think they are all getting the concept of "key-holder" wrong here,I already tried  explaining the role  in my previous comment..
Generally, key holder are meant to hold keys together as one instead of separate pieces,now it left for user to carry it around or not. Same here, the keyholder is just to hold this plates together, doesn't necessarily have to be a keyholder, could be any type of holder or container to keep them all as a group and not scattered  as parts  could be misplaced easily, then stored in a safe place after and  not to be carried around.
I will also add it as a note on the thread to prevent  confusions too.
Your seed phrase shouldn't be like the way it is on the picture in the OP, because it's easy for children to place their hands on key holder to play with. If you keep the key holder in a safe place without moving it around will be nice. However, engraving it an a steel plate is very good. The most important thing is that you keep it safe from third party because it doesn't matter where you write your seed phrase on be it on paper or metal steel plate.

That is why in the op's he stated that it should be stored in a safe place probably in a safe that can be encrypted. The idea Is actually  a nice one and I must say that I'm  impressed, but the only draw back is to get a metal That doesn't corode easily. Because for securities like this, the seed phrase could be kept in a the safe or the storage medium for years, so in other to not lost the information  that is crested on the plate we'll need a metal that doesn't  corode easily. It's a much advanced technique to storing our mnemonic seed rather than making use of paper to write them down. Paper could be easily eaten by cockroaches or other insects that find interest in it.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: Coyster on April 22, 2025, 06:03:19 PM
Consider storing your seed phrases in multiple locations to ensure you can recover them if one location is compromised.
It makes sense to keep your seed phrase in multiple locations, but the thing be say no be everybody get more than one home wey dem fit keep their seed phrase. To be able to keep your seed phrase in multiple locations you need to have different locations that you can keep your seed phrase in the first place and it will be safe.

That said, hope say you know that if one location is compromised and your seed phrase gets exposed, make you know say you don lose your money be that, so e better say you add passphrase to your seed phrase to be more secure.


Title: Re: [Discussion] Seed Storage
Post by: promise444c5 on April 22, 2025, 09:23:32 PM

Your seed phrase shouldn't be like the way it is on the picture in the OP, because it's easy for children to place their hands on key holder to play with. If you keep the key holder in a safe place without moving it around will be nice.
Well , from the comments have been seeing so far, I could tell we are all used  to keyholder been a normal keys for households, cars  and lots more.
I already added a  Note Section on the thread to explain  the "keyholder" thingy and yes it's meant to be kept in a safe place.

...but the only draw back is to get a metal That doesn't corode easily. Because for securities like this, the seed phrase could be kept in a the safe or the storage medium for years, so in other to not lost the information  that is crested on the plate we'll need a metal that doesn't  corode easily.

Well you have a good point regarding  that,  the option is to get a material that won't corode easily, Titanium or Alumnized steel  is a good option but other factors can be considered as well, like how deep the engrave gets plus the storage, moist could cause corrosion, a cool and dry storage could prevent that..