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So this thread title Don't feed your bitcoin to the whale (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5537491.msg65252343#msg65252343) inspired me to make this post since the Op did not emphasize on what the his thread title (don't feed your Bitcoin to the whalers) denote at my end, I decided to break it better based on my own view.
Regulation, market sentiments and price theories in the individual units of microeconomic has drastically caused the market dump which most investors are just like they don't know their stance if to sell or keep holding would do them better.
I don't want to talk about investors on emotional control who are resisting the volatile market system that is being manipulated prompting the weaked and minnow Investors to sell their bitcoin while the patient hodlers stays active to take the benefits when the market turns around on price increase.

Awareness: the whalers are always ready to buy your bitcoin anytime and hodls it because the rich always want to stay limited in a cycle of numbers not to see everyone grow rich or equivalent to them so, these whalers sometimes intentionally causes market panic with their large holdings strategically just so you can place your bitcoin on sell and they are always ready to buy and get richer because it is of no doubt that after dump on potential coin like bitcoin comes the pump since bitcoin is a hedge of value not like others that goes dump and dust.
So be sure that those who understands the market well with confidence that it is a store of values are the ones buying your bitcoin assets when you are in hurry to sell due to market price fall.
While your bitcoin is ought to be your greeners ticket in the future and you think selling it at ugly market time will make you a better different after getting your bank account staked of fiats, be reminded that microeconomic news being part of the negative effect on the bitcoin market will be highily effective on your fiat because when their is an economy inflation, there is always traditional currencies crisis where it faces depreciation on value in the international market.

So, don't sell to them instead, hold patiently and in matter of time depending on your goals and assets values, you could imitate them (whalers) or could even be one in the future.

What if I bought at the early stage or at a very cheap price within 10k and bitcoin hits 100k or let's say 90k which it is already in? did I still loss? being rational is also important you can't just underscore every action people take in bitcoin investment.

Holding is very important, yet bitcoin is not just a currency for investment it's also a currency for transaction, if we stop using it for other possible purposes then it's beginning to loss it's core tenants.

Hold the possible yet transactions the possible too.

I usually believe that even in a bearish market
You only truly lost when you sold.
Market manipulations most times especially in the direction of bearishness are done to shake out weak hands.
Even if you plan on selling for various reasons just try not to be a nocoiner
And never sell during a dip when you held on during a rally.
This is why it's adviced to invest what you are willing to loss not to be desperate to sell during a dip.

We all need to know this,  Bitcoin is a very volatile market and most times largely manipulated by the whales causing intentional dumps in order to catch guys who would panic sale to increase their profits. Although the recent dump was clearly orchestrated by Trump and his tariff action, and we can see the response of the market after the 90 days pause. Investors confidence returned and the market is experiencing a positive correction again.

Those who sold are not really understanding the Bitcoin market, the dump was utilized perfectly by opportunists, especially whales. The bull run isn't yet over and I'll still expect more positive results from Bitcoin going forward. :D. Those who sold in the dip have my thanks for enriching myself and the whales who bought the dip.

Although I'm aiming at holding for a long-term, but it really feels good to see the market responding positively

Well if someone a retailer got a huge profits. Its normal that he sold it, nothing can change his mind for that. But that sold will lead to a new holder as someone will take his place. With bitcoin volume, I think it will not much truly go down considering how adoption happening therein. There will always be new players to take much pie of the bitcoin supply.

Forever hodling is easy to talk about most times ,however in reality it doesn't really play out that way. When you Hodl it's also important to have a target in mind. You may not necessarily sell off all your coins but a fraction of it is still fine. One way or the other it serves as a sort of dividend for a proper hodling session mostly a bull run which usually occurs within 4 years. Sometimes when you Hodl for too long, you end up wishing you had sold at some bull you missed out on.

Whales will always buy

I don't know if that will continue being like that forever, but at least for now it seems that you are right. Blackjack, MicroStrategy and other institutional investors keep buying even amidst the uncertainty caused by the tariffs and the Government's recent pressure over the FED, while the USD continues to lose credibility as the reference currency.

Now the news say that even exchanges are seeing how their Bitcoin reserves in deposit go down, due to the accumulation of big investors. So, if you sell now, you know who's hands they're going to end up in.

I completely agree with that because I have experienced this just in this cycle when Bitcoin went above $105k, and I didn't sell, thinking that it might go higher, but then it started dropping, dropped to almost $74k, and at that time, I was regretful for why I didn't sell when it was above $105k because if I had done that, I could buy again at $74 and then I could get some more profit when It went higher, and look at the market right now. It's already above $91k, and I would have gotten some more profit by now if I had done that.

Apart from this, so many people can't hold forever because they made their investments with some goals in mind and that they would complete them when the price reaches a certain point. For example, if someone had invested $200 in Bitcoin when it was at $30k, aiming to get at least $600 from it and then withdrawing to do something important, and once Bitcoin went above $100k, their target was officially reached, so they would surely sell and cash out.

That comment of yours there is merit-deserving. I wish I had merit to splash on it. You made a salient point there and that goes out to those who try to shame investors who sell theirs from time to time. We ought to realize that every investor (well, maybe not every one of them) has their target to meet and once price gets there, they sell off to take profit. I've mine too. Sometimes, investors sell off to return to the market at a cheaper price, and not because they're afraid of what's playing out in the market. For those who believe hodling is the ultimate thing, it's not. Hodling doesn't bestow value. We get to know value when something is put out on the market. The real people doing Bitcoin a deserved service are those trading it, not hodlers who are hoarding it.

Selling or holding depends on each investor's plan and goals. Each of us has our own price range at which we bought Bitcoin. Some bought at $ 30,000, others at $80,000. Some sold Bitcoin after reaching their predetermined investment goal , while others, like me, are waiting for Bitcoin to hit $135,000 before selling, even if that means waiting several more years.

A long-term investor isn’t concerned with short-term fluctuations that may result from Trump’s reckless decisions, tariff propaganda, and similar events. Those who sell in the short term and in light of the temporary dips may think they’re minimizing their losses and escaping the market with their remaining capital , but in reality, they don’t realize that once they exit their position, whales and other investors will take their place and purchase what they sold at a loss. These buyers will then patiently wait for Bitcoin to recover and return to its previous price and peak.َ

Patience and emotional control are key factors in achieving good profits from Bitcoin. We must imitate the whales and invest with faith, understanding, study the market, and use analysis tools.

They say if you can’t beat your enemy, then at least imitate them. Whales could be our biggest competitors in the market. They target our bitcoins through manipulating the whole market. If we are weak, we will definitely be taken advantage, but if we are wise and smart, we will never be at loss since we won’t fall on panic selling. Know when to buy and sell, so you’ll remain safe from these big whales.

Long-term holders can easily go with this advice, since you lose only when  you sell your asset below the amount you bought it, so for sure what determines whether you lose or gain in an investment is, the price at which you sell it off, because you could still hold an asset for a long period and still not gain profits from it, what makes the difference is in the level of scarcity of such assets and how much investors are not willing to sell at low prices.

This is what makes it, a smart thought if you short your position when necessary, what that means is that we cash out our profits immediately after we see them and not wait for long trying to get a 100% profit rohs before we take them.

Let’s just admit the fact, whales will always have an edge over us. They have tons of money to accumulate bitcoin at any cost, so that reason alone proves that we can’t get rid of whales. They will do everything to maximize their bitcoin portfolio.

Sell when you know it’s the best time to sell, hold when you know the timing isn’t right. Whales are just behind the corners waiting for our bitcoin, they will take our bitcoin if they see even small chances that will favor them.

There is something called sustainable withdrawal ideas used by most of the old guy (OGs) here in the forum to take profit, the thread was propounded by JayJuanGee (JJG's Bitcoin Investment Ideas (Sustainable Withdrawal / Portfolio Maintenance) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475347.msg63213914#msg63213914) hence guys do not find themselves regretting for not taking profits.

So it's possible to hold and at the same times be taking profit when we hit new ATHs.

That's for you kind words here! I also agree with your opinion guys set targets and one needs not to be greedy to skip the targets but however most of the the guys educating us here on how not to sell are likely newbies into bitcoin investment hence do not really know that it means to say "Hodl" hence they misinterpret it to mean not selling at all for a life time.

"You lost when selling your bitcoin in hurry. Whalers will always buy."

This is not always true and it depends on when you sell your bitcoin and whether whales are ready to buy at the time.

You possibly sell your coins when you want to take profit or when you don't take profit but panic sell even with loss. The first case is more likely when market is bullish, around the top and whales are smart enough to avoid buying there in distribution phase. The second case is likely when whales are ready to buy, because they manipulate market behind the scene and wait for your panic sell to purchase dips.

Maybe what he means selling in panic since if that's the case and they are losing their capital for doing that then I guess he's right. But if the seller is already reached on his target years and get already a decent profit for his self then I guess there's nothing wrong for selling their Bitcoin since this is what actually we intend to do. Our target is to get profit so everything seems really fine.

Also maybe if they target Bitcoin for retirement I guess its different story so there would be lots of debates towards this discussion since there's provably different reason will come out here especially people have different intention on why they buy their Bitcoin.

What we really need to avoid is to sell at loss since this is the dumbest decision we provably do.

HODL.
I did this once and it was as a result of panicking that made me do it. It I couldn't even live with myself for making such a dumb move. I lost so much that I knew that it will take me some time to recover what I had lost as a result of that mistake.
This is why I tell beginners that  the market will test your resolve and if you had invested the money that you couldn't afford to lose, you will lose it twice if your inpatience forces you to sell in a hurry because of the market fluctuations.

The thing is knowing when to sell off your bitcoin is even part of three strategy of a good investor, I keep telling people the worst investor is one who holds blindly and doesn’t have any plan of when to sell and when to simply hold. Sometimes selling even make guy hold more with diamond hand. Can we say Microstrategy is a weak hand because they also sell off too. I can remember him buying aggressively during the bearish year of 2022 and then selling off some in 2023 with the report then about him covering up some loans which is a great strategy.

Sometimes you will sell off when your profit target has been reached to Carter for some of your needs, this play will eventually even give you freedom to hold for long or even buy back later, so there have never been any wrong with selling if it is done in profit

That is really good and common way of thinking about investing especially when Bitcoin is there that can go up and down a lot.  You are right that sometimes people try to trick market to make price go down so that people who are easily scared will sell. If you believe in what you invested in it is smart to hold on during these times. And I agree with you that we should only invest money that we can afford to lose and that will not effect on our daily life. This way we can not feel desperate to sell when price goes down. Overall this is smart and practical way to deal with times when market is not doing well.

If you invest long term, DCA and let Bitcoin as well as the market do their own jobs. You only have to purchase, store your bitcoin safely in non custodial wallets, and wait for time bringing profit to your investment portfolio.

If you want trading, personally waiting for market dips to buy and open your trade position (with only Spot) is better strategy than just buying and waiting for price rising higher. Mostly after dips, price will bounce and it's enough for your trade position to be profitable. Buying in normal days (non dip days), you will have to wait with more uncertainty about chance of getting profit.

While I agree with your point, the situation is not always the same. I don't see anything wrong with selling your bitcoin; I have an issue when you sell it out of panic. Sometimes people have already planned on selling their coin at a particular time, so I don't think they should be thinking of what the whales want and how they're manipulating the market.

Bitcoin is an investment, and one of the reasons for having an investment is for a rainy day. So, what is the point of having an investment or savings and not using it in times of emergency?
Selling your bitcoin is not wrong, but panicking and selling it out of FUD is where the problem is.

Hold your Bitcoin and not sell if that is not reach your target price. People should know that after read what @OP tell so they will not sell in loss if the correction come. They can just buy more if that is happen because that means, they can have more Bitcoin that they buy at a low price.

We can not let ourselves loss in our Bitcoin investment so holding tight our Bitcoin will be the best thing that we can do. If you trade Bitcoin, you don't have to sell your Bitcoin if the price is down but buying more will be good so your average buy price will reduce. And you can wait for a while to sell it when the price increase.

It is just a matter of time to see Bitcoin price increase back. So you don't have to worry even if the price is down for more because that will be your good time to buy more. Use that time for your benefit and you will make a big profit later.

I will do this for both of you because I completely agree. You should not create perpetual investments from HODLing. There should always be an investment goal. Why are you investing? At what price are you ready to withdraw part of the profit to implement your plans? Long holding periods can also fail; we do not know our future. We need goals. Saving for old age or retirement is are good idea, but if you do not know how to manage finances, even in old age you can lose everything at once. Create a passive business with the help of profits; it looks more reliable than storing for the sake of storing.

Everyone who invests in Bitcoin certainly does not want to sell before their planned target is achieved. Everyone has their own plan that they consider sufficient to get satisfactory profits. But sometimes, when investors do not have enough reserve funds for sudden needs, holders can decide to sell some of the Bitcoin they have collected to cover these sudden needs. Some people may regret selling their Bitcoin, but when someone is in a desperate situation, then everything can be understood.

Of course the goal of investment is to acquire more values so we can reach to a solution or our financial needs.
I don't mean to say we should just keep staking of bitcoin on our wallets even when we have over reached our expectations via duration of investment plans.
I am particularly talking about those investors who sells at the course of market negative news or seeing a realistic price falls out of doubts of good values recovering again without minding if they are loosing or have not reached their expected investment plans.

You only lost if you sell your Bitcoin, but everyone should have a reason why they are buying Bitcoin in the first place, you can't expect to buy today and sell tomorrow, Bitcoin is not a get rich quick kind of investment.

I don't also buy the idea of just holding Bitcoin, I feel good using Bitcoin as my means of transaction, it's a good fit for digital money so why only hold your Bitcoin when you can use it as payment option too? It's way more convenient than using your bank account or master card details.

DCA strategy will make you worry less even if the price is going down, the thought of you buying small part after another week will linger in, I think those who use all the money they have to go all into Bitcoin at once are those who will panic the most, buying Bitcoin should be a gradual process..

Everyone has their profit margin. Like someone gave an example in the thread: if you bought Bitcoin at $10,000 and sold at $90,000, that's a profit. While I agree that when the market is ugly, do not rush to sell your Bitcoin because that's an opportunity for whaler's  to buy and accumulate more, so then when the market gets better, they can sell. If an individual feels they've made enough profit, then they're okay to withdraw their money.

But, if you don't have a certain profit margin in mind, don't withdraw 100%. You can take out 50% or 60% or whatever amount you feel is a profit compared to when you bought, and then keep holding the rest. But it's up to individuals to decide before making any decision about withdrawing your Bitcoin, I would say it's best to talk to a financial advisor, someone who can give you better advice on what to do.

We can't hold our Bitcoin indefinitely, there has to be a time when we must sell, either to take some profits, sell part of it or sell off to use the funds for something else, at such points there will always be some whales to buy it off. My emphasy is that it is not always at a loss if and when you decide to sell your Bitcoin, it is your money and you can decide what you want to do with it. But I get your point, there is no need to rush and sell at loss during dip when you can wait for when price will skyrocket and you can sell with more profits. The important timing is to buy low and sell high, if you need funds and sell higher than what you bought it is a plus and a good business for you but the longer you hold the better profit for you in bull seasons..

This last paragraph crowns it all. How patient can we be? Some persons who keep hodling and hodling are not just being strategic, they are just being greedy!

Everyone has their different investment goals which you have stated in the op. Some persons planned to sell their bitcoins at 70k, 80k and even 100k which they have done already. That's their goal which they waited for long to achieve. If they were able to sell at those prices, it doesn't make them weaklings and impatient people, they were only sticking to the plan. I am not talking about those confused investors who do not really have a sense of direction.

Right now some persons are already aiming for 150k. If they exceed that 150k goal, that's greed. They may end up being profitable from being greedy or miss the opportunity to sell at  their targeted price.

I have a sense of how much Bitcoin i need to feel successful, Bitcoin is an investment when you buy and hold for long enough, you consider it efficient then sell, you cannot keep talking about investing always, there is a convenient ATH that makes you eligible for the best profits. Every investor has a starting price they initiate inside buying Bitcoin market, at that point selling is okay. Not all buy orders you see are from whales, average earners are also demanding Bitcoin.

If you sell your bitcoin in order for you to take care of a bad situation, I don't think that you are at lose because when that ugly situation isn't tea ken care of, it can lead to more damages. The problem is when you sell your bitcoin due to panic and the price is below your entry point that you are in loss.

Whether you like it or not weak hands will continue selling and whales will keep on buying be it in the bull market or bear season. This is what keeps the market going. However, hodli should be your priority.

It's a bit conspiratorial, don't you think? Big whales don't need your Bitcoins they can buy large bags at market price trhough OTC trades so don't imagine whales patiently buy all Bitcoins of the market since 15 years now. It's a bit ridiculous IMO, they are just like everyone else they make an investment in order to try to make some profits, so they buy some Bitcoins and they sell them, when they need to do it or when they think it's the best moment

This is a difficult question to answer without knowing what you will do with the money, but I'd argue that you lost potential profit from holding bitcoin.

Example 1.
You live with your parents, you have a partner who wants to live with you and start a family, you sell your bitcoin and buy a house. In such case you did not lose.

Example 2.
You want to start a business, you have another investment opportunity that could pass you by. Converting bitcoin to a business is not a bad idea.

Example 3.
You see 10x profit and decide to sell, just to have money, be at ease. I'd call that a loss.

It should be you a lost investment when you sell your Bitcoin at loss price not in a hurry because someone who sold their Bitcoin in a hurry may actually do that because of the gain they see in their Bitcoin investment, before the price of Bitcoin goes from high price to low price. Like the way we saw how Bitcoin went from $100k to $80k within two months. Someone can be in a hurry to sell their Bitcoin to avoid similar scenario occuring to them.

You lose when you sell at a wrong timing, that only gives an opportunity for the big whales to collect and accumulate more bitcoin as long as there is big chance on it. That’s how obsessed they are when it comes to bitcoin, and their greed push them to become more wealthy in the process. And the fact that they’re capable to keep buying, hodlers should always be cautious when to sell their coins so they won’t fall into feeling of regression in the long run.

I don't think that's true because the whales barely care about you or those at the lower level, they just buy when others are selling so that they can benefit from it, and they can easily do it because they have enough resources to buy any dip and even if the price goes down after their purchases, they would still have enough to buy again and keep doing DCA. On the other hand, someone holding only a specific amount and having no other resources will be compelled to sell when they are getting some profit that they can use. So, apart from those who panic sell, those who sell at a profit aren't doing anything wrong, IMO.

Of course, they do, and it's because they know they are going to benefit from it. It's our responsibility to make sure that we don't get fooled because those having more resources than us will always try to manipulate us to benefit from us. If I was a whale and had enough funds, I would do my best to gain as much profit as possible even if I had to create panic and manipulate the market for it.

You don't keep bitcoin forever; you sell them, you rebuy, and you also can't be imitating someone who is not in competition with you and someone whom you are not in the same financial position with.

If we are all holding our bitcoin and we don't transact with them from day one, there is no way that bitcoin could have gotten to where it is today. Money wealth distribution is allowed, and at the end of the day, almost a large number of holders are all in for one thing, which is making profit, so what's the point when you are actually going to sell off one day? And mind you, you can't secure all the profit.

Perhaps it's rare to see such an investor in this forum although I don't know what others do outside the forum but with the information we can gather here most of the guys here are more of holders but however if we reach an extent that it seems to us that we have seen a maximum or a successful amount in our portfolio then taking profit is much advisable.

What essence will it make for one to keep staking and staking without testing the orange berries, selling a part could be understandable especially when we are of age where it's a goal for retirement.

Investors who sell at negative news are more of traders than investors.

Yeah, I think this is also one good strategy, it doesn't mean that when you sold, you can't rebuy at a lower or higher price. You can reset anytime. Maybe you sold because there is some kind of emergency that you needed funds so don't think twice of dumping your Bitcoin and then rebuy it later.


That's Bitcoin's liquidity, and the market is open 24 x 7 and everyone can trade to make profits. That is the beauty of Bitcoin, many are  trading in millions or even billions everyday. You can convert your Bitcoin anytime to cash and won't affect the price itself.

That is the clear difference between the poor and the rich. The poor panics to the slightest market drops and quickly sells off, with his reason been that he avoids loosing to further drops in price. But the rich in any form of business finds it all joy and also an opportunity to gather more as it will be out available in great quantity to buy as much as they wish to. An avenue not just to buy to look for other means to even gain more from the price drop.
The rich have a brave mind of having a better market soonest while the poor are only concerned about the current market situation which affects them presently and only thinks of how to get it out of their hands before it drops any further.

Whether you sell your coins or not, the whales knows when to take advantage of the market so it's not as if when you sell to them that you are at loss while they win. If a whale wants to manipulate the market, he can buy huge amount of bitcoins and after the price skyrockets he can decide to sell immediately and take profits but since they already know the potentials of bitcoin, most of them no longer sell their bitcoins after buying but instead they HODL for long term profits which will be huge and massive. How can you imitate a whale when you are just a minnow, lol. Whales a big investors with high sources of income and wealth so you can't imitate who is bigger than you in terms of investment.

As far as someone wants to make a profit from Bitcoin investment, they must learn how to be patient enough to hold Bitcoin for a long period of time until they can make a reasonable profit. However, the truth is that one day, someone must sell because no one can hold Bitcoin forever. Another thing to consider is that if whales want to make many people sell, they can manipulate the market. They might start buying Bitcoin aggressively, pumping up its price due to their pressure of buying. When the price increases, people with small capital might begin to buy more.

After a while, when the whales see that they have inflated the price, they will sell a large portion of their Bitcoin, causing the price to drop. At that point, people with small capital will begin to panic and start selling at a low price. The whales might then exit the market temporarily and return later to buy Bitcoin at a cheaper price.The key takeaway is that if someone notices that Bitcoin is at a great price, they can sell a portion, such as 30%, and buy back when the market is down again if he don't have waht they will use the money for at that particular time.

There is a reason why all of us are investing in and holding Bitcoin. One of very reasons is because we believe in it and the benefit that it will give us in the future, and that's about profiting from it. The early holders and investors are now free to do whatever they want, sell it or hold further because they're already in profit. So, if someone sells it in a hurry and you have no idea of his/her history on how many bear markets that person went through and struggles in life they did just to get of its holding very firmly. Now, that they see the price have shoot up, they won't taking chances and wait for the next bull run to come and so, they're taking a slice or two of their profit through the holdings they have and that's not a problem.

This is all theory, but in practice, how much money can you invest so that you don't mind losing it? It's not a pity to lose a small amount, but if successful, the profit will also be small. Is this why you decided to take up cryptocurrency?

Someone who has been holding and overcame some few bear markets and decided to sell now actually did not sell in a hurry. I think what OP meant by selling in a hurry is about short-term investors who entered the market when the market was already green, so as the price slides, they are selling hastily.

But the unspoken truth is that, no matter when you sell your BTC - in a hurry or at ease, in profit or losses, that BTC is gone forever. So, whales are taking our BTC always at discounted price and selling it back to us at exorbitant price.

I don't want to amplify it too much and say things like if you invest in Bitcoin, you should not sell it and the likes. If you invest with intention of getting profit, and if you sell your bitcoin with profit that is good enough in your own calculation, it's acceptable action from purchase to take profit.

Not all Bitcoin investors consider bitcoin as their store of value, property and they won't plan to hold their bitcoins for too long time like 4 years, 8 years, 12 years or longer. Investors who join and leave the market are helpful parts of the market because they bring money in, cash out and create money flow, trading volume for the market so it's all good.

Not all the time that selling bitcoin would end up at a loss, some are just seeing that it’s the perfect timing to sell because their goal profits have been completely achieved so they won’t have to wait longer in order to sell their bitcoin. But if you have invested only at this year, and you want to sell your coins this early, I should say you aren’t minimizing your future profits, and could even be a wrong timing to sell especially if the current price is lower from the time you purchased your coins.

Just buy more instead, and give it a year or two so you can ensure guaranteed profits.

I don't agree with you talking about selling out our bitcon in times of emergency, emergency reasons is not enough for us to sell our Bitcoin perhaps it is recommended that we should build up emergency funds even in our ongoing Bitcoin investment because emergency is inevitable as humans generally but however, there is nothing wrong selling out our Bitcoin investment at some point in our life and in our Bitcoin investment journey especially when we must have accumulated up to a reasonable size to enable us also have a reasonable profits which of course we should be strategic when it comes to making withdrawals.

You can hold and don't need to think about the condition of bitcoin's journey in the market based on performance because the most important thing is how people can make steps to buy and hold it until it reaches the desired price. Make investment steps, adjust to the capital you have and do it to reach the desired stage because sometimes people don't dare to make an approach because they don't understand the process of bitcoin's journey in the market.

If you don't want to be at great risk, then buy and hold the bitcoin that we have, then in that way we have done the level of truth in running an investment because bitcoin will always have a repeating cycle that can provide maximum profit as desired.

If you're investing in bitcoins just because you plan on selling during rainy days, then you are wrong and likely a trader, not an investor. Remember that we invest for long term benefits, not to sell of due to emergency concerns, that is why keeping emergency funds in case of emergency situations is necessary. If you have the mentality to invest and sell during rainy days, it can as well mean that you can also take the decision of selling when the price have fallen just because you are anxious to sell and attend to an emergency need. Keep emergency funds and you will not have to sell your bitcoins at difficult times, have long term goals and work towards achieving a sizable portfolio, only then will your investment flourish in the long run.

Everyone has personal Bitcoin plans. Some people have decided to sell their Bitcoin at a particular price. Maybe they needed to sell to enable them to take care of certain needs or investments. I know people who needed to sell their Bitcoin because they wanted to buy a house or start a business.

My advice is that don't sell because of FUD. People are always willing to buy your coins at any price. Only sell based on your plans. Except if you intend for your family to inherit Bitcoin, you will have to sell it one day.

I disagree with this. You can't decide when people sell or keep their bitcoin. The fact that people sell their bitcoin in an emergency doesn't mean they're not investors. That's not true at all. Everybody has different reasons for buying and holding bitcoin. Some people hold bitcoin to pay off their tuition fees, some hold it to use and start a business, and some keep it for other reasons. Bitcoin is savings to some people, and they keep their emergency funds in bitcoin, so saying people who sell their bitcoin for emergency doesn't mean they're not investors.

The mindset that selling bitcoin means you're not an investor is a funny one.  You can't police how people use their money. As long as the person is not panic selling, he's free to sell whenever he wants to do whatever he wants.
Not everybody has the same amount of wealth. The fact that another person has the luxury of not touching their bitcoin investment in a time of emergency doesn't mean everybody has that luxury, so you don't expect a person who is in dire need of the money not to use it simply because he wants to keep holding.

I don't pray for emergencies but if I get an emergency that will warrant me to sell my Bitcoin, I will look for alternative to get the funds to solve that problem but if it's a problem that is beyond my power, I'm selling that Bitcoin particularly if it has something that has to do with health. I have once sold my altcoins bag for a friend wife health, it wasn't Bitcoin but there wasn't alternative for him and I didn't hesitate to sell all, if I don't have any alt, it would have been Bitcoin.

Lucky for me, when I sold them, the market was down and I got some of them at discounted price and sold this bull run, situation and conditions makes us do some things we don't prepare for but if it's a matter of life and death, I will sell that Bitcoin and then buy again, as long as I still leave and breath healthy, I will come back stronger but it's not going to be those small problems like when you have little issues, you go and sell, that's not reasonable.

Most of those that blame investor's for selling bitcoin at the current price are all just bad mouthing and in realities they don't really practice what they say, because no one that bought bitcoin even at $40k price and selling above $80k is still selling at a alone when they already made 2x profits already.

And in the other hand also, sounding that warning of not selling at low price is best served to those that have bought bitcoin at high price, that is those that bought when the price was at all time high of $100k

More people are like that just, not buying anything when the prices are so cheap and only blaming those who are selling at the current high prices.
Even though the people who are selling right now are already buying at $20k or even lower, so the profit is quite large, and it's okay to sell it, there's nothing against it because it's a free market.

Everything will be adjusted to the target price that is determined from the beginning when you start buying,
If the target price is reached at $100k or that below that there is no problem selling, that's the profit that he will enjoy.

What's wrong when FOMO people buy at the ATH price of $100k and then sell below that price or when there is a dump like before that touches the price of $73k,
it is a stupid sale and just a waste of their money because of FOMO, Except for those who play futures and can sell as they go up and down.

The whales are ready to buy in any price so we don't have to sell in a hurry and only sell if the price hit our target price or we really want to sell at a current level of the price. The whales can shake the market and make people panic so we must hold and control our emotion when the price is drop.

You need to manage your emotion when you see the price drop and search for the chance to buy back for more. If you can stay calm when the price drop, you will see the time to accumulate Bitcoin. Otherwise, you will miss that chance and will not be able to add more Bitcoin in your portfolio.

In terms of the market if you bought a bitcoin this consider as a bitcoin you didn't lose bitcoin once the market down just its the value, now people are getting feared when there's a market crash and one of the factor is they don't have a plan with their holds and trades, such as until where do you hold, and how much the price only you will play in the market with the active times, so others getting panicked sold because they are fear to lose their bitcoin value, and if the whales sees the opportunity of the another dip its the time they accumulate with the cheaper price. Its not only in crypto its just with the supply and demand concept.

People were fearful weeks ago, not now. The cryptocurrency market fear and greed index is Neutral now but one week ago it was Fearful.
https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/fear-and-greed-index/

If they want to do both investment and trading, they must separate their investment capital and trading capital in different wallet and accounts. Non custodial, open source wallets are for investment storage, and accounts are for trading. If they mix investment and trading capital, they will end with panic sell all bitcoin they have or use all bitcoins for margin, futures trading and lose most of it.

Investment or trading starts with initial capital management together with risk management, that if they can not do well at start or fail to correct initial bad management soon enough, they will lose their bitcoin to winners in this market.

Whales are not inherently bad, all they want to do is accumulate more Bitcoin like we do. It's just they they have more money for buying Bitcoin than us, in fact an order of magnitude more than the finances we have access to.

Therefore, it is fine for them to buy more coins, as long as they are not your sold coins.

The core purpose of any investment is to gain profit that help in fulfilling financial needs in real life. There are situation when we are in dire need of money like paying of emergency medical bills or we are short of certain amount in buying a new house and so on. If we have Bitcoins then it's best to cash them out at such occasions rather then going for other options like taking loans from Banks. There is no benefit of HODLing forever if we can't get any benefit from our Bitcoins during crucial times I mentioned above.   

Time is the essence in all investments. When it comes to bitcoin, we have all seen how the worst decisions are made in a FOMO market.
We should always wait for the dust to settle. Yeah, sometimes doing that could result in bigger losses than expected but you "always" have the option to HODL.
Bitcoin has proven to give bigger returns in the long term every time and if you are late to sell then just hold it until you make the profits again.
It's better than selling your coins to the whales for cheaper price and then finding out you could have got bigger profits.

In reality that is what happens, I am confused by people who sell their Bitcoin quickly, even though in the long term Bitcoin is beyond doubt, or it is possible that those who sell Bitcoin too quickly because of panic and feel that there will be a deeper decline, even though no one can predict it, and from that it is true what you said that when Bitcoin experiences a decline the whales will make purchases and what happens is resistance or even an increase. Therefore what needs to be done is to compound Bitcoin, and even though Bitcoin experiences a decline in price value, what we need to do is add an allocation for Bitcoin, so that if a Rally or Bullish occurs we will not miss the train, which could make us regret it later.

There is no need selling out your Bitcoin when you have not accumulated enough Bitcoin 4 years ago, those who buy and sell bitcoin in a hurry are mainly traders who always go for little profit at some point they get lost in their bitcoin investment, those who has been accumulating Bitcoin since 2019 or 2020 consistently and persistently either weekly or monthly can decide to sell some of their bitcoin holding since they are not selling at lost and still be accumulating Bitcoin and hodl.

You are wrong, people sell their bitcoin for different reasons, someone who sell their Bitcoin to safe someone's life haven't lost, I remember a friend of a friend who had to sell every Bitcoin he has been accumulating for long to safe his mothers life when she was admitted in a hospital.

If you are in a bad position and all you have left is your Bitcoin I supports that you use the Bitcoin to rescue yourself, you are useless if you lose your life while you keep holding on to your Bitcoin, it makes no sense.

All that's lost can be recovered if you are still breathing, having Bitcoin isn't the way to go through heavens gate when you die, there are many things that are far more important than Bitcoin, you have to live first before you can do anything else..

Sellers have different reasons for selling but the market is big enough with market available buyers that can be whales or normal average buyers. It is wrong to say all bitcoins sold by sellers will be bought by Bitcoin whales. Whales have their investment plans and they can be actively or inactivity with accumulation.

There are periods when whales are more actively accumulating but other periods they are inactively and only stay outside the market with mainly observation and wait for good chances to reenter the market. If whales are not ready for buying, you sold bitcoin will be exchanged with other small investors, traders or speculators in the market.

He is forced to do that because it is an emergency and he had to act. but why didn't he think of securing a secondary source of income or only investing what he could afford to lose, so that he wouldn’t end up selling everything he owns in such situations?

This is what we have always recomended: that all the capital a person owns should not be put into Bitcoin so that if something unexpected happens, they won't be forced to sell all their holdings just because they need cash.

People must learn how to overcome such situations and emergencies before they invest in Bitcoin, because someone might not be lucky and may end up selling at a loss what they spent months or years accumulating, or worse, giving it away at a huge discount.

He managed his finance bad and did not follow the common advice. Before investing, let's reserving your money for life like emergency fund for urgent needs in fuutre. If he had reserved money like this, he would have not sold his bitcoin urgently at loss like this.

He must learn from his experience and realize that investment is a long term journey. He can do it with time and add new money into his investment portfolio with time but always do two same things, add one part to his investment capital, and another part to his emergency fund if he starts with empty hands for both. People can work and improve their finance with time if they know a good and safe method for practice.

When people realize that they don't have to "Bet" all money they have for investment, they will have a safer approach and actually are on ways to success.

I wouldn't call this a loss at all, 10x is good profit margin, especially if you have a considerable sized portfolio as at then. It is just worthy of noting that if you have decided to sell just because you have already had 10x in some part of your investment, while you are yet to reach your accumulation target or have not elapsed you holding period, I might consider it taking quick profits and lack of proper discipline in your accumulation journey.

Yeah, transactions is possible but the fees are on the high side too, so it has made bitcoin only suitable for higher transactions as at now. No one would be willing to pay high TX fees for a little transaction, that's why Personally, I convert bitcoin into stable coins which are cheaper for smaller payments or transactions.

Do you think is the case here? imagine some of the OG's who bought at the price of a thousand dollar and sold at a hundred thousand dollars, not all but some part of their investments do you think they lack discipline? if you think so then you must be delusional! who knows bitcoin will reach such a price today? absolutely nobody which is a big reason we say its not guaranteed but more guaranteed than any other investments. hence how much discipline do you think someone who bought at that price is? probably the most disciplined person on earth because picking an investment that is not generally adopted or acceptable in the whole world like Gold is and outing a good amounts into it then leaving it for more than ten years yet maintain the investment it's really such a think if you ask me.

TX fees can be high sometimes but can also be very low, volatile in nature, then what prevents one from using it for that purpose at that point pretty nothing just the mere fact that it has been used for more investment wise than a currency wise.

people are just after money and all they care about at the moment when it comes to investing in bitcoin is not more than that because putting your mind to come and invest and the next thing you are making money is going to be dangerous and this is why people are losing money because they have a different perspective about investing and money starts coming its a game of patience and the moment you don't have it the next thing you will do is to sell.

And you can not predict the price of bitcoin, but it is not always so its is now as if you have to work with what you have and so times investing in bitcoin can actually be very challenging and there is a lot to learn when it comes to the investment.

I think this would really depend on the goal of the investor whether he sees his investments as liquid cash or not.

Generally, investors would diversify their investments by investing into different portfolios. As a general rule, however, you also invest the cash that is considered "extra" on your part. If an investor has no spare cash to invest, then chances are that there would be no investment at all.

What I am saying is that, an investment is generally cash/money that can be sold at anytime depending on the gravity of the situation. For example, if an investor suddenly experiences financial trouble, then he could use his/her investment to answer for that need.

Personally, I am guilty with this post because I also sold most of my BTCs during its early stages. Unfortunately, that was an expensive lesson before I realized the potential of BTC and its long-term value.

There is a difference between holding Bitcoin for 4 years and accumulating Bitcoin for 4 years. When we start to invest in Bitcoin, our goals should be to hold Bitcoin for long, why it takes long to accumulate Bitcoin is because of strategies like DCA, DCA takes longer to accumulate reasonable amount of Bitcoin, and is mostly used by those who are not whales with large funds for investment. Whales don't need to accumulate within a period of 4 years, they can ultimately find the dip and purchase in lump sum, then the 4 years will be for their holding period.

Bitcoin is indeed reliable.

Even those who invested at the top in 2021 are now in big profit but I doubt they all hold, the value and utility of Bitcoin makes it a no brainier for smart investors, there is zero need to worry about your invest.

You can't do the same with other coins or those Bitcoin coins that pretend to be the next big Bitcoin, I don't think there will ever be a better coin in crypto space that will do better, it's already too late.

Now that developers only care about their pockets, they can't do what Bitcoin creator did, everybody's eye is on making money right now, they really don't care about the technology they claim to be working on.

If it is only to gain profit by taking advantage of Bitcoin's decline and then selling it when it goes up, then I think it is not included in Investing, but it is Trading, It is clearly different. As far as I know, what is meant by investment is by making long-term capital investments and having confidence that what is invested will work well in the long term, and not so quickly. Unlike people who only take advantage of the momentum, it looks like a trader who only takes advantage of profits when experiencing only a slight increase, this is clearly different from investors who dare to hold their capital or assets for the long term.

You can simply do your investment with dollar cost averaging strategy (DCA) but you can do it with waiting for good chances and making your purchases as dip buyings. In general, not all investors manage their portfolios like only do buyings and never make sellings. If in their investment journey, they buy and sell for profit, it's not like they are no longer investors, though it will be very different if they no longer holding bitcoin but completely switch their approach to buying and selling for short term profit, then it's time of big change from investors to traders or speculators.

There's nothing wrong in taking profits from your Bitcoin stash once in a while so far you're in profit and especially  in bull circles. It's your money and you're entitled to take some profits as a reward for your diligence in DCA method. What is not advisable is selling off your Bitcoin except it's an emergency that you can't raise funds from any other sources. Bitcoin has built reputation as a store of value and as long as you hold it you're guaranteed of ROI on the long term. When you sell somebody else is profiting from it, so the mindset of Bitcoin holders should be long term.

You will definitely lose if you sell your bitcoin at a bad timing, that will only create bigger opportunity for whales to benefit from your wrong decision-making. Let us be reminded that whales are just waiting in the corner looking for  a perfect timing to steal our coins, so we need to be more cautious on when to sell our coins, otherwise we won’t benefit it in the end, but only the big whales and that would even make them richer and richer.

Don’t be compulsive and be obsessed with profits. It’s best to reap our hard-earned profits when the perfect timing comes.

What people need to understand is that if you don't discipline yourself with money for four years, you will not be able to achieve anything. so, when it comes to Bitcoin, you need to have a job to solve the money problem because there is always a money problem everywhere because there are bills to pay so we need a job to sustain ourselves, and with a job you will be able to accumulate enough Bitcoin for four years, and people that have been accumulating since 2019, that is a lot of dedication and that is what is needed when it comes to holding because it is a long-term investment, and when you are holding for a long time, you can not sell anyhow.

I can't blame weak investors sometimes, it's not really easy seeing ones money going down the drain. We all have that of feeling to sell off our assets when there is a massive dip but only a few are disciplined enough to withstand the pressure. To be a successful investor we have to train our mind to  withstand market volatility and the pressure to sell prematurely. All this are the qualities a trader must possess to succeed but most people neglect that part and that is why they panic and sell when the market is bad.

Having a plan is essential and we should learn to stick to the plan no matter what happens along the road we need to remain disciplined and focused. investing is not supposed to be easy, if it was easy it would be pretty boring and we will all keep making profit without much effort. All the obstacles makes it more interesting.

Patience is the key to everything , people often forget that whales are the ones who profit, when panic selling happens at the wrong time. In my opinion, it's always better to have a long term strategy and wait for the right moment, because if we make decisions based on emotions, the consequences can be disastrous.

That is why we need to have patient especially in investing in Bitcoin. We can not just sell immediately especially if the price is down because we will not profit from that.

The whales will always like to buy Bitcoin from those who sell in panic and they are ready in anytime. If your reason to buy Bitcoin is for the investment, you should follow your plan and not sell even if the price down.

A long term strategy will be the best for Bitcoin investment so we will much time to accumulate Bitcoin. We can be like the whales by waiting for the time to buy Bitcoin especially in a low price.

If you can hold your emotion and not panic, you will see the time to buy. You will not sell instead only buy more because you want to have more Bitcoin.

In simpler words, BTC will always be fought over by many people just like property in Manhattan.

Many persons misunderstand the term hodl to mean hold for dear life. It makes no sense holding on to our Bitcoin until the day we will cross over to the other side thereby forfeiting the essence of investing in it. The reason why we all are willing to invest in Bitcoin is not because it is the surest asset to invest in that has no risk. But because in a  long run you can be sure to be on profit if you invest in it.

Investors should know when to make a sustainable withdrawal. In the sense that they can take some profit after a while and still leave some good percentage for more long run.