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Title: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: TEBTC on April 28, 2025, 09:09:53 AM
 As international monetary tensions intensify, China is accelerating its offensive against the dominance of the dollar. Beijing officially launches a strategic plan to impose its own international payment system. This initiative marks a major turning point in redefining global financial flows, reinforcing China’s ambition for a multipolar economic order. By directly targeting the traditional networks dominated by the West, this maneuver now captures the attention of markets, governments, and major financial institutions

In Brief

China formalizes an ambitious plan to promote its own international payment system.

Shanghai becomes the nerve center for developing the CIPS network, a direct alternative to SWIFT.

Beijing aims to strengthen the use of the yuan in cross-border trade and support its companies abroad.

The project intends to reduce the BRICS’ dependence on the US dollar and consolidate their financial autonomy


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/28/U236qc.png


https://www.cointribune.com/en/brics-china-officially-launches-a-plan-to-promote-its-own-payment-system/



Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Tungbulu on April 28, 2025, 09:27:15 AM
China has always seek to become autonomous in every areas and this is another bold step towards gaining/enhancing full financial autonomy as well as promoting a multipolar economical system. If China promotes/develops their own international payment system, they’ll drastically reduce their dependence on the dollar and making the yuan more dominant globally. If the CIPS is developed as a direct alternative to SWIFT, of course the yuan will definitely have an increased adoption as well as to use the yuan for direct cross border settlements. That’s a very bold step for the Chinese economy I must say.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: _act_ on April 28, 2025, 09:44:31 AM
As international monetary tensions intensify, China is accelerating its offensive against the dominance of the dollar.
What is China planning? We have bitcoin already. Why are they not going full force with making bitcoin the global payment and as one of the Chinese foreign reserve. They have the currency they can use already which is bitcoin.

But why is China even do not recognize bitcoin as a currency? The world should be careful of China.

Beijing aims to strengthen the use of the yuan in cross-border trade and support its companies abroad.

The project intends to reduce the BRICS’ dependence on the US dollar and consolidate their financial autonomy
This is what I am talking about. Even the currency swap of a thing is not good at all. China may only be looking for ways to let yuan overtake dollar and which is not also good. I do not like any fiat to be the dominant currency because we have bitcoin already.

It may not be a good project and I think they will fail as always. They should go for bitcoin if they do not have hidden agenda.

But with what Trump did, you will know that the present US president is like he is insane. US should know that without other countries support in the world, US is nothing.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: davis196 on April 28, 2025, 10:27:43 AM
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What is China planning? We have bitcoin already. Why are they not going full force with making bitcoin the global payment and as one of the Chinese foreign reserve. They have the currency they can use already which is bitcoin.

But why is China even do not recognize bitcoin as a currency? The world should be careful of China.

When was China Bitcoin friendly? I don't remember China being crypto-friendly.
Is Bitcoin suitable to become a currency for international trade? Imagine BTC being widely adopted as a truly global currency(I mean being adopted by governments and big corporations as a means for payment). The Bitcoin price skyrocket, but the BTC blockchain would most likely get stuck and the transaction fees will go thru the roof.
China trying to promote the yuan as a global currency was a move that is pretty much expected. Every big economic superpower is trying to push it's national currency as the dominant global currency. This is pretty normal. However, I don't believe that the yuan is going to get global recognition.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: asriloni on April 28, 2025, 10:33:28 AM
This indirectly said the de-dolarization intiated by BRICS is a complete bullshit.  :D :D :D :D :D

CIPS has been exist since long time, but always unable to fight Swift. It's nothing new, and growing slowly. Not sure it will able to meet SWIFT size in like one or two decades later.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Dark.Look on April 28, 2025, 11:13:57 AM
This is not something we couldn't expect to see from China, which we know is trying to have better economic power than the USA. Many people think China already has more power, while I don't think they can reach this goal anytime soon. Now, they want to have their own payment system instead of SWIFT.
I can imagine what's going to happen in China next. Unlike America, China is not banning many countries, and if they really launched the CIPS network, we can see more countries like Iraq, Syria, and other countries using this system. While America won't let them use the SWIFT.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: BIT-BENDER on April 28, 2025, 01:46:21 PM
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What is China planning? We have bitcoin already. Why are they not going full force with making bitcoin the global payment and as one of the Chinese foreign reserve. They have the currency they can use already which is bitcoin.

But why is China even do not recognize bitcoin as a currency? The world should be careful of China.
You have to look at it from the Chinese point of view. China aren't in control of Bitcoin and they are a well developed country, in fact they are considered to be amongst the global world power, you don't expect them to go all out on without focusing on their own currency the Chinese Yaun.

But still Bitcoin is very much highly regarded in China and they are a big force in the Crypto-currency community. But they aren't petty as Trump to use the Bitcoin friendliness scheme to get people on his side.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Wexnident on April 28, 2025, 02:17:02 PM
As international monetary tensions intensify, China is accelerating its offensive against the dominance of the dollar.
What is China planning? We have bitcoin already. Why are they not going full force with making bitcoin the global payment and as one of the Chinese foreign reserve. They have the currency they can use already which is bitcoin.

But why is China even do not recognize bitcoin as a currency? The world should be careful of China.
Because they don't see the need to? They can make their own, they probably have enough influence to make this a success themselves, I personally see no reason as well to push for Bitcoin when they have this capability, at least from a political and a business perspective. I mean it's not like Bitcoin is their country after all.

This is what I am talking about. Even the currency swap of a thing is not good at all. China may only be looking for ways to let yuan overtake dollar and which is not also good. I do not like any fiat to be the dominant currency because we have bitcoin already.

It may not be a good project and I think they will fail as always. They should go for bitcoin if they do not have hidden agenda.

But with what Trump did, you will know that the present US president is like he is insane. US should know that without other countries support in the world, US is nothing.
That's just how it goes lol. Unless we break free from the monopoly of super powers, we probably ain't seeing Bitcoin standing on top of them. And no again, they're not going for Bitcoin becase as you've said, they DO actually have hidden agendas. Or maybe not that hidden at all really, they just want to be the monopoly themselves and break away from the US.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: o48o on April 28, 2025, 02:50:24 PM
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https://www.cointribune.com/en/brics-china-officially-launches-a-plan-to-promote-its-own-payment-system/
Even if that would technically work, i wouldn't put too much trust on China. There's no way to tell if Chinese yuan itself is been artificially pumped, and when that bubble would burst, some SWIFT alternative developed by them will burn everything connected to it. But it wouldn't happen right away, so i am assuming that this might as well work for a while.

But we know how thin skinned Chinese leadership is. Say wrong things about China and say bye bye to your assets you tried to send.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: avikz on April 28, 2025, 04:17:21 PM
If I look at it from the Chinese point of view, I see nothing wrong in it. There is no mandate written me where that the countries need to only use the systems built by the west. If China is planning for their own payment network for international payment, that's great!

I see people are arguing that we already have Bitcoin, but China will definitely not depend on a decentralized payment method where they have no control. Probably no big countries will do that.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: pooya87 on April 28, 2025, 04:25:06 PM
One of the reasons why dedollarisation has been slowed down has been surprisingly China! They have always been trying to push their own fiat as the replacement for dollar and I don't think other countries are happy about it. The preference is BRICS which has another payment which is preferable IMO and China has been slowing that down as well!

In any case, having an alternative is already a fantastic thing for the world. Remember that not every country in the world is a member of BRICS or would be allowed in. They will have to choose a payment system controlled by someone else. Their choice so far has been SWIFT, it would be fantastic for them to have the Chinese thing as well.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Helena Yu on April 28, 2025, 05:15:39 PM
This indirectly said the de-dolarization intiated by BRICS is a complete bullshit.  :D :D :D :D :D

CIPS has been exist since long time, but always unable to fight Swift. It's nothing new, and growing slowly. Not sure it will able to meet SWIFT size in like one or two decades later.
I don't understand why they're always trying to revive their old project and after they revive it, there's no more update. I heard BRICS countries want to launch their own currency, now there's no more update after Trump threat to impose insane tariffs.

Yep CIPS has been exist since 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Border_Interbank_Payment_System

If Trump threat more tariffs for using CIPS, I they China will stop their idea again.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Zlantann on April 28, 2025, 06:31:17 PM
In Brief

China formalizes an ambitious plan to promote its own international payment system.

Shanghai becomes the nerve center for developing the CIPS network, a direct alternative to SWIFT.

Beijing aims to strengthen the use of the yuan in cross-border trade and support its companies abroad.

Having alternatives to SWIFT is not a bad idea because the global financial system needs more than one platforms.. The US has been using SWIFT to punish countries that are not aligned with them. An alternative to SWIFT will give other nations the choice to choose the platform that suits or favors them.

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The project intends to reduce the BRICS’ dependence on the US dollar and consolidate their financial autonomy

BRICS is made up of many nations, and the biggest economies are China, India, and Russia. I don't think these nations have agreed to use the Yuan as the alliance's main currency. Each of them will want to promote their own currency, so I doubt they will accept Chinese money. A decentralized currency would have been better to be a BRICS single currency. Or they can just use local currency to trade with each other.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Mate2237 on April 28, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
In Brief

China formalizes an ambitious plan to promote its own international payment system.

Shanghai becomes the nerve center for developing the CIPS network, a direct alternative to SWIFT.

Beijing aims to strengthen the use of the yuan in cross-border trade and support its companies abroad.

Having alternatives to SWIFT is not a bad idea because the global financial system needs more than one platforms.. The US has been using SWIFT to punish countries that are not aligned with them. An alternative to SWIFT will give other nations the choice to choose the platform that suits or favors them.

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The project intends to reduce the BRICS’ dependence on the US dollar and consolidate their financial autonomy

BRICS is made up of many nations, and the biggest economies are China, India, and Russia. I don't think these nations have agreed to use the Yuan as the alliance's main currency. Each of them will want to promote their own currency, so I doubt they will accept Chinese money. A decentralized currency would have been better to be a BRICS single currency. Or they can just use local currency to trade with each other.
Even though all members may not be in support of using the yuan as the official currency of all the Brics blocks this is a very important move in making sure that China breaks out of any further usage of the dollar which has put America in favour of controlling global trade and transportation.



I think that the trade war too is contributing to this move because the United States of America has become a threat to the economic stability of major countries especially China and the Brics Nations so coming up with this kind of moves will reposition China in terms of global trade control


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Coyster on April 28, 2025, 07:17:44 PM
This was expected amidst the trade war going on, especially the heightened war between the U.S. and China that has been going on for quite sometime now. China have been trying to knock the U.S. and the U.S. dollar off their perch for a long time, and this tariff war gives them another opportunity to allure other nations to look away from the U.S. dollar.

That said, we have to wait and see what the success rate of CIPS will be, and how many nations would be willing to settle international trades with the Yuan and China's own payment system. This war is going to last a long time and i don't think any of these powerhouses is going to back down.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Zlantann on April 28, 2025, 07:24:48 PM
In Brief

China formalizes an ambitious plan to promote its own international payment system.

Shanghai becomes the nerve center for developing the CIPS network, a direct alternative to SWIFT.

Beijing aims to strengthen the use of the yuan in cross-border trade and support its companies abroad.

Having alternatives to SWIFT is not a bad idea because the global financial system needs more than one platforms.. The US has been using SWIFT to punish countries that are not aligned with them. An alternative to SWIFT will give other nations the choice to choose the platform that suits or favors them.

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The project intends to reduce the BRICS’ dependence on the US dollar and consolidate their financial autonomy

BRICS is made up of many nations, and the biggest economies are China, India, and Russia. I don't think these nations have agreed to use the Yuan as the alliance's main currency. Each of them will want to promote their own currency, so I doubt they will accept Chinese money. A decentralized currency would have been better to be a BRICS single currency. Or they can just use local currency to trade with each other.
Even though all members may not be in support of using the yuan as the official currency of all the Brics blocks this is a very important move in making sure that China breaks out of any further usage of the dollar which has put America in favour of controlling global trade and transportation.



I think that the trade war too is contributing to this move because the United States of America has become a threat to the economic stability of major countries especially China and the Brics Nations so coming up with this kind of moves will reposition China in terms of global trade control

China has always been seeking means to bypass SWIFT for a long time. However, it has not been easy since most of their trading partners still prefer trading using the dollars (SWIFT). But this move might help in promoting the Yuen.  Breaking free from the financial grip of the US will be gradual because the global financial system has been patterned to favor the West.

De-dollarization awareness has been increasing since Trump started this trade war. Nations have started seeking means to protect themselves from US bullies. However, it is worth noting that this is idea coming from China and other BRICS nations has not agreed to use this Chinese payment system.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: SilverCryptoBullet on April 29, 2025, 02:14:35 AM
One of the reasons why dedollarisation has been slowed down has been surprisingly China! They have always been trying to push their own fiat as the replacement for dollar and I don't think other countries are happy about it. The preference is BRICS which has another payment which is preferable IMO and China has been slowing that down as well!
China and the Chinese government under leadership of CCP and especially in an era of Xi Ji Ping in the last 12 years have behaved very aggressively and arrogantly against many nations. They shown that they don't deserve to be a global leader because if they actually get that global leadership role, they will aggressively "eat" other nations. They shown this greedy style more than one decade ago and now when they are in a tariff war pluses mass negative effects of their over boost in their economy in latest decades with weak foundations behind, they have been trying to beg other nations recent weeks.

They want those nations to support them, become their allies to fight against the USA while just not too long time ago, they publicly shown that they want to "eat" those neighbor nations.

This style won't help China and their ambitious plan won't be achieved.

One article from China.
https://www.zhengjian.org/node/289333

When the CCP fail to govern their own nation well, they can not achieve bigger things at global scale. Time for CCP collapse won't be too far if they start a war like Russia did with Ukraine.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: pooya87 on April 29, 2025, 04:51:17 AM
They shown that they don't deserve to be a global leader
Why should there even be any "global leader"?! That never made any sense. It is a fake concept that US regime created after the dissolution of USSR when the world became unipolar so that they could pillage the world. Otherwise for thousands of years there was nothing called "global leader"! There were just various powers in the multipolar world. Something that is being reestablished again.

Bottom line is, neither China or US or anybody else should be allowed to be "global leader" or the solo power that oppresses the rest of the world.

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When the CCP fail to govern their own nation well,
I disagree with this part. They have messed many things up and their approach has been oppressive but they have been the best at governing their nation. Nobody else comes even close. Even the US regime dreams they could govern their colony like CCP.

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They want those nations to support them, become their allies to fight against the USA while just not too long time ago, they publicly shown that they want to "eat" those neighbor nations.
I somewhat agree with this part. Chinese have been acting like a weasel in a lot of matters. They want to keep the current corrupt globalized system in place where they can grow and they want others to cooperate with them but they don't want to pay any price.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: freedomgo on April 29, 2025, 06:30:07 AM
What is China planning? We have bitcoin already. Why are they not going full force with making bitcoin the global payment and as one of the Chinese foreign reserve. They have the currency they can use already which is bitcoin.

But why is China even do not recognize bitcoin as a currency? The world should be careful of China.
They don’t like Bitcoin because it’s not ideal for them, mainly due to its high volatility.
They prefer something they can control, and that usually means a currency that comes from them.

Since Bitcoin is used globally, any party dealing with it has to manage the risks, and that alone can be a huge hassle.
And if a country doesn’t recognize Bitcoin as a currency, or worse, bans trading, then it’s no surprise they’re not going to support it.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: _act_ on April 29, 2025, 07:21:10 AM
Why should there even be any "global leader"?
It is a fake believe that the West is using to deceive the world that the EU also supported that rotten their brain not to know that they should have enough nukes to counter Russia without the help of the USA.

United States has the second largest nukes, the best military, the largest economy but not in purchasing parity because that goes to China but in nominal goes to United States, the United States dollars is the currency the world is using most and some other things about them makes the world called them the world power but which is not right. Also their influence is included.

The native United States before the Cowboys which were Red Indians were not like that until the Cowboys came to United States.

United States was a small country before but full of abuses to other regions around them and they last conquer Mexico to gain huge territory.

Map of United state before which was very small to their land today:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/29/U2yBsa.jpeg

Map of United States now:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/29/U2y9HN.jpeg

Trump wants to buy Greenland Denmark to acquire more land. Trump has called Canada the 51st state which is making a region in Canada to heighten their pursue to breakout of Canada and seeking independence, saying they are closer in culture to United States while some said it is better they become part of the United States.

United States needs to be stopped because they are strategically threat to countries.

They don’t like Bitcoin because it’s not ideal for them, mainly due to its high volatility.
They prefer something they can control, and that usually means a currency that comes from them.
They can make it a reserve and also have some dealings in bitcoin even if not large part of their foreign trades.

Since Bitcoin is used globally, any party dealing with it has to manage the risks, and that alone can be a huge hassle.
And if a country doesn’t recognize Bitcoin as a currency, or worse, bans trading, then it’s no surprise they’re not going to support it.
All they know to support is Yuan. They are after their own also.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: freedomgo on April 29, 2025, 09:08:39 AM
They don’t like Bitcoin because it’s not ideal for them, mainly due to its high volatility.
They prefer something they can control, and that usually means a currency that comes from them.
They can make it a reserve and also have some dealings in bitcoin even if not large part of their foreign trades.

They already did..  that’s how they’ve treated the Bitcoin they confiscated in the past.
If not, they would’ve just sold it off and converted it to fiat, like what Germany did.

As of April 2025 (if the data is accurate), they’re now the second-largest holder of Bitcoin, next only to the United States.

https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/government-bitcoin-holdings

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/04/29/U2yebC.png


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: _act_ on April 29, 2025, 09:28:52 AM
They already did..  that’s how they’ve treated the Bitcoin they confiscated in the past.
If not, they would’ve just sold it off and converted it to fiat, like what Germany did.
If it is not official, they have not. Germany sold their confiscated bitcoin after a long period of time that it was confiscated. China may decide to sell their own at anytime just like Germany. But if they make it official, it would be better. I am not satisfied with what United States did which even caused market crash after the announcement. These countries should buy and use bitcoin in trades and they can reserve some also.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Coyster on April 29, 2025, 04:50:30 PM
They don’t like Bitcoin because it’s not ideal for them, mainly due to its high volatility.
They prefer something they can control, and that usually means a currency that comes from them.
I don't think this has anything to do with bitcoin, China is trying to knock the U.S. dollar off its perch as the world's reserve currency, you don't expect them to push the agenda of replacing it with bitcoin, do you? Bitcoin, like most of us know cannot be the world's reserve currency, it was not even created for that.

If the U.S. dollar would cease to be the world's reserve currency someday, it will be replaced by another fiat currency and not a decentralized currency like bitcoin, but the question is, will the world accept the Yuan?


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: iv4n on April 29, 2025, 05:51:17 PM
There was a time when I didn't pay much attention to what the Chinese were saying... But when I got into crypto, I started paying more attention to them. The Chinese are unpredictable, they have said many times that they would do something and have not done anything. It has happened more than once that they have done something and few people know about it... Looks like they are playing a global game with wise moves. I say wise because they are still doing their thing... whatever that thing is.

I didn't look into their plan & payment system, I am a crypto person, and I am not interested in any government/fiat schemes. But I am sure they have something to promote and infrastructure they can build for that to work. And I am just guessing here that Chinese people and some countries will be forced to use it, but will others buy it?


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: el kaka22 on April 29, 2025, 07:22:41 PM
They are always "trying" to do something, doesn't mean they actually can do it. BRICS was established to make sure they can battle USA and even with all those nations together, they still failed, which means they are trying some another thing, and they will fail again.

And the worst part for them is the fact that half of those nations have dictators, what do you think Putin will say when Xi ends up saying "you all will use Yuan, we are superior", you think Putin will be like "oh yeah sure thing" and be fine with that? Of course not, even if he can't handle the economical sanctions, he still wouldn't let China be better than Russia neither, China is already bigger, but Russia would be agreeing and accepting their inferiority, so they won't accept it.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Mate2237 on April 29, 2025, 10:18:25 PM
They are always "trying" to do something, doesn't mean they actually can do it. BRICS was established to make sure they can battle USA and even with all those nations together, they still failed, which means they are trying some another thing, and they will fail again.

And the worst part for them is the fact that half of those nations have dictators, what do you think Putin will say when Xi ends up saying "you all will use Yuan, we are superior", you think Putin will be like "oh yeah sure thing" and be fine with that? Of course not, even if he can't handle the economical sanctions, he still wouldn't let China be better than Russia neither, China is already bigger, but Russia would be agreeing and accepting their inferiority, so they won't accept it.
I don't think that Xi will force any of the Brics Nations to use the yun as the official currency of the Brics organization what China is do is strategically making sure that the weaken the use of the dollar by member states of brics that was the main reason why this organization was form the fact of the matter is that the world we are is about interest and anything that China is doing is to make sure that their interest and agenda is protected especially when it comes to the areas of trade and investment


My problem is that the Brics Nations has just been too silent and has not taken any concrete decisions concerning their plan about having a single currency so if they can have a consensus on this one currency issue the United States of America is going to feel the effect of it when they started using other currency in trading apart from the dollar


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: freedomgo on April 30, 2025, 01:29:22 PM
They already did..  that’s how they’ve treated the Bitcoin they confiscated in the past.
If not, they would’ve just sold it off and converted it to fiat, like what Germany did.
If it is not official, they have not. Germany sold their confiscated bitcoin after a long period of time that it was confiscated. China may decide to sell their own at anytime just like Germany. But if they make it official, it would be better. I am not satisfied with what United States did which even caused market crash after the announcement. These countries should buy and use bitcoin in trades and they can reserve some also.
Yeah, it’s not official, but if they’re just holding Bitcoin, it’s easy for them to say they’ll declare it as a reserve because they already have it. Isn’t this what happened in the US? They said they would consider Bitcoin as a strategic reserve, but it turns out the ones they consider are the ones they confiscated. So China could take the same stance, since it’s already in their holdings.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: Coyster on April 30, 2025, 02:40:06 PM
And the worst part for them is the fact that half of those nations have dictators, what do you think Putin will say when Xi ends up saying "you all will use Yuan, we are superior", you think Putin will be like "oh yeah sure thing" and be fine with that? Of course not, even if he can't handle the economical sanctions, he still wouldn't let China be better than Russia neither, China is already bigger, but Russia would be agreeing and accepting their inferiority, so they won't accept it.
That is one major problem in the quest for de-dollarization, if we hypothetically agree that the U.S. will be knocked off their perch one day, how many countries will gladly accept China and the Yuan with open arms, not many i reckon. If BRICS want to achieve anything, it has to be collectively, i don't think other memeber nations joined the organization to be dominated by one country (China).


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: asriloni on May 01, 2025, 12:57:19 PM
This indirectly said the de-dolarization intiated by BRICS is a complete bullshit.  :D :D :D :D :D

CIPS has been exist since long time, but always unable to fight Swift. It's nothing new, and growing slowly. Not sure it will able to meet SWIFT size in like one or two decades later.
I don't understand why they're always trying to revive their old project and after they revive it, there's no more update. I heard BRICS countries want to launch their own currency, now there's no more update after Trump threat to impose insane tariffs.

Yep CIPS has been exist since 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Border_Interbank_Payment_System

If Trump threat more tariffs for using CIPS, I they China will stop their idea again.

I guess China only want to create some noise. I totally aware about how all of attentions are focusing on them and US. That's why they use this momentum to promote their CIPS, or at least pushing it to be get more adoption in order to fight SWIFT.

They smart, yes, but hardly to move on from a proven widely adopted payment system such as SWIFT to the CIPS.


Title: Re: China Officially Launches A Plan To Promote Its Own Payment System
Post by: o48o on May 01, 2025, 03:07:11 PM
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As of April 2025 (if the data is accurate), they’re now the second-largest holder of Bitcoin, next only to the United States.
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As an example how misleading term "holder" is: USA confiscated around 95,000 BTC that they got from criminals in 2022 who stole it from Bitfinex in 2016. Those are not for USA to sell, or use as reserve, or do it as they wish with it. It's confiscated property of Bitfinex, and most likely going back to them at some point. As Bitfinex haven't gave their consent to sell it, nor there's clear estimation of how that stolen BTC should be valued, other then in BTC.