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Hi.

I got 0.001 BTC (worth today about 100 USD) from www.freebitco.in and I plan to make a small experiment with it. I will try, is it possible to increase this initial BTC amount (0.001) with trading: selling then BTC is overvalued and buying then BTC is undervalued.

I believe that Bitcoin will be worth at around million USD in 2040, but meanwhile it will be much much cheaper than today (hundred thousand USD). Is my holding then worth 1000 USD? Or more? Or less?

With great excitement,
Jaanus

We do not know when bitcoin will get to $1 million but we know that bitcoin would have increased if you hold it. Just see long term holding as a hedge against inflation but bitcoin will do justire than that.

As for trading, it is highly risky. You are a newbie, if you do not want to lose youriney, do not trade with it. Trade with the money that you can afford to lose.

Good luck with trading! Just remember, it’s not for everyone, and honestly, only a few really succeed at it.

If you want a less stressful and simpler path, go for long-term holding. You’ve got no problem anyway, since you believe Bitcoin will hit $1 million someday. So just keep buying consistently using DCA (Dollar Cost Averaging) and learn how to secure your holdings. That’s it, simple and chill strategy.

Thank you for quick answering. I am generally agree with you. I think that most people would benefit if their BTC holdings could be frozen 12-15 years ago :)

This 0.001 BTC is small enough I can afford to lose. But it is big enough to get much fun if I will be right and there will be great BTC price fluctuations ahead.

First question, could you possible be able to increase your BTC via trading. Yes, of course! Buy low and selling high on which this is just indeed the basic but actually the most hardest thing to be done when you are already on the actual situation or condition on dealing up with trading.

Second question, Would it be that reaching $1M/coin in 2040? No one really knows and no one will really be having the crystal ball on which everything would remain speculative no matter what.
If you are having those kind of positivity towards into its potential then you could always have the option to hold up for long term but since you do want to have that trading approach
then it will be that up into your choice.

Third question. Is $1000 worth of Bitcoin now is enough or should suffice? The key on here is that you should be that investing into the amount on which you can afford to lose.
It doesnt matter whether it would be small or big as long you are that investing or making use of the amount that you wont be that affecting out your finances then it should be just that fine.
Dont go all in, so that whenever there are some unfortunate things to happen you wont be ending up on getting broke because you have that putting up too much.

If you are willing to lose the assets you have collected then it is okay to try it, the question is do you have enough knowledge in the field of trading? because trading is not as easy as clicking BUY / SELL there is a lot to learn so that our entry point is right. So I think holding is much better and lower risk.

Nobody knows but nothing is possible especially bitcoin has shown extraordinary development since its launch and currently bitcoin is very popular so it is possible that the price of 1 million for 1 coin occurs but who knows when 1 decade or 2 decades or more. who knows.

OP, from a pleb to a pleb, just HODL. There's no need for an experiment, you'll merely waste your BTC0.001. Either keep it, OR buy yourself something nice or something you can use.

Gambling with it through "trading" would simply be a waste of your time and your coins because of one simple fact - Most "traders" can't outperform Bitcoin.

If I were you, I will hold 0.001 BTC and use the other free money that I have to trading. Maybe I will difficult to buy 0.001 BTC if I loss that amount in trading. But if you are sure with your skill in trading, you can sell that Bitcoin and trade more. We don't know when Bitcoin will be worth around million USD in 2040. But if you still hold that amount while you use the other money for trading, your chance to increase that Bitcoin amount you have will be bigger. But that will depend on your skill in trading. That is up to you.

For such a small amount, I think it's better to take a little risk and get into trading. Even though it's riskier, but it still has a potential to increase the amount of your Bitcoins. You may loose it all as well. But since the amount is small, if it fits your risk appetite, go ahead with trading. I would be doing that if I were at your place.

Holding is good and less risky. But you never know when Bitcoin's price will reach to a million dollar. It may not happen in your lifetime. So take a little risk and try to increase the amount you are holding.

You already know the answer. Trading will only make you lose, while hodling does not incur losses, you will only lose if you decide to sell it at a loss. So if you want that small amount of btc to make it 100x or 1000x in the long run, do not trade, but hold.

While trading is risky and will only end up at a loss, hodling will prevent you from losing as you intend to hold your coins until you end up seeing an excellent price to sell.

Good that someone is testing it, but it has been tested many times before. We have seen great traders make more than holding, and we have seen some people who not only didn't make a profit but instead lost. That is the most important difference, if you do nothing at all then you are going to lose and you should not be losing like that if you are a good trader.

So make sure that you know what you are doing and you could do more profit than holding, tons of people do, so if you want to then just work on becoming a great trader. Or you do not have to, you could just end up holding and that is not bad income neither because if you hold long enough then you are making a profit too. If you could accumulate and keep getting more and never sell then in the long run you are going to make a good amount of profit too.

Well, you can always do both with your next pay check or something lol. Or do you have some sort of situation so it's not possible?

Otherwise, you can play with this small amount for trading plus hodl bitcoin on the other side. In addition, it's not necessary to do a one big purchase as well, because for instance, you can always DCA with a small amount every paycheck where you focus on accumulation. This might interest you op, see: https://dcabtc.com/

If you have the knowledge to trade, then why not?
However, I believe the chance of success is only 5% out of 100%.  So, there’s no guarantee that you will succeed.

It's very risky, which is why I tend to agree with the comment above about HODLing for a long period and waiting. Regarding your question about when the price will rise, nobody knows when that will happen.  Many people here believe that Bitcoin will reach another ATH, which is why they continue to HODL.

I prefer to accumulate over time during short corrections, this falls under the DCA category of investing in Bitcoin.
You can research how it works.

Trading can give us impressive profits as long as you trade professionally. But if you are still starting to learn the process, do not expect for some gains but realistically, expect consistent losses. That’s how risky trading is. That’s why it’s best if you hold your coins for now and see it grow in time.

You’re not closing doors for trading, but just give it yourself a time to learn and master trading. Focus on hodling for now.

Freebitco.in is a very old casino that has an old Bitcoin faucet too but nowadays its faucet for each claim is small and surely not as big as 0.001 BTC.

Would you mind sharing how did you get 0.001 BTC from Freebitco.in, please?

I don't think you got it from its faucet.
List Of Crypto Casinos with The Best Faucets. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5341966.0)

You are wondering between Investment and Trading, what is better, let's see results from holding (investment) and trading.
Holding: https://casebitcoin.com/charts#roi_chart
Trading: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/053115/average-rate-return-day-traders.asp
The answer is clear now.

Hold that amount and withdraw it from freebitco.in. It is better to hold in your private wallet but if you still want to keep that amount in your freebitco.in account, that also up to you.

If you want to use that amount to trade, you must think how good you are in trading. If you are sure about your skill, you can trade. But trading have its risk so you need to be careful.

We can suggest more but you need to determine by yourself. We don't know if your holding will worth $1000 but I hope that will happen as you want.

Well if you only hodl that 0.001 BTC you are going to make some profit. Bitcoin is going to have a 'bull run' and then we will see a new all time high.

But if you want to trade it well then you can lose it. It is not so easy for us to trade crypto that is why alot of investors just hodl and take profit from it.

OR, if he truly wants to gamble and lose his money, then why not do it the better way. Go to an exchange where he/she can trade Bitcoin on leverage.

The point of the matter here is to avoid gambling on shitcoins.

BUT what plebs should actually be doing is to find a job, a second job, and stack sats.

Nah OP is not here for advice. OP knows FBC site, and to get 0.001 there he must have been freerolling for a while, so he's not hew to crypto or to forum ;)

If OP really wants to have fun with that and doesn't mind losing, and seems to want to gamble, why not deposit and play in a tournament? $100 can get you $5 or $10 if played patiently while building up rewards.

Or... YOLO on dice x100.

Better than trading.

I would do the same. It's really a small amount of money and holding it for a long time won't do him much good, because even if bitcoin reaches $1 million it won't make him rich or change his life. The profit he gets when bitcoin hits 1 million is only $1k, holding for 10 or 20 years just to earn $1k, is it worth it?

Instead, he can try his luck by trading but do not set too high expectations because high returns come with high risks, he needs to accept that. Or he can gamble with that money right on freebitco because he has no trading knowledge, and trading with him is like gambling  ;D ;D ;D.

You can increase the initial profit you receive from trading if you know for yourself that you have knowledge in trading and you know that you are getting profit from it. Now if you know that your knowledge in trading is not that good and you are hesitant, it is better to just hold on while you learn trading.

This is the best thing to do, now if you can do both and you can get profit, there is no problem as long as you know what you are doing. Because at least they can still be considered
to be both beneficial to us.

Long-term, holding is profitable but not very much, because the market is saturated and it's not the early years anymore, so 100x profit should not be expected.

You can make lots of profit from trading, especially with increased leverage and a combination of futures long and short positions but consider that this type of trading becomes gambling and also consider that if you are not a whale, you'll never make it in trading.

If you combine trading and holding, then from my experience I'd say that you'll succeed. I only trade once or twice a year, sometimes in two years. I keep patient and wait for the right moment to buy and sell Bitcoins and I've been very successful with this approach. Never be in a hurry and do not fomo even if you miss the chance, just keep patience, read lots of crypto news, regularly check the price and you'll make it.

If youre good on trading then that $100 can grow easily from slope to slope. Well if youre gonna do spot trading g it will take time for it to grow. But holding it will still depend on value but if you do trade and you you win profit youll got a chance to increase that quantity. However you could also lose in the process. But for me if you eanna grow it, then risk it on trading. Who knows you can make a 5x of that in your short while.

Well, if you know how to trade then you can increase that BTC amount that you have. I'm not pretty sure though if how long can you be profitable. Probably it will depend on how much knowledge and experience you have currently. If you're a newbie, I would consider holding it instead of trading it unless you want to pursue your "experiment" and you're ready to lose your money just in case.

Anybody can believe in anything, but the question is what are the chances that what you believe will happen?

For me, I'm not saying that your prediction will not happen, but that's too optimistic if you will ask me. I still remember when Charlie Lee predicted a few years ago that Bitcoin will reach $250,000, but until now it's struggling to surpass even the $100,000. This is the reason why so-called analysts' predictions are often wrong. Holding your Bitcoin will take you a longer amount of time to be profitable, but it will be low risk compared to trading where yes, you can make more money in a shorter amount of time, but there's more risk of you losing your money.

This is a very simple and at the same time understandable strategy for everyone: Buy on loyals and sell on highs) But not everyone succeeds, even experienced traders. So if you don't have enough knowledge and experience, then you will lose your 0.001 BTC very quickly.

It is you invest the money than going to trade with it. Selling bitcoin when it’s overvalued and buying it back when it’s undervalued is a great idea too because that’s the purpose of inventing but without you having knowledge of the market volatility, it becomes a risk for you to take on that path. Using all that money to trade is not right, trading is risky and you may lose the money all without getting a good judgement on the result you want to take it for, so stay away from trading or risk a smaller percentage of it for experiment, but it’s better you stay away from it.


It is better you continue to hold this amount and not sell it to buy back later. Since you already know that bitcoin will continue to grow to that amount till 2040, then there is no need trying to trick the market to buying and selling at intervals. Just try and grow your portfolio by adding more bitcoin to it either through DCA or lump sum.

It depends on the amount of time you will trade because if you have a lot of time, trading would be great, and even better is that you would also have tools.

I think the current market is withholding if it is the meme market. Trading is the best option for BTC, IMO.

In my opinion, both are bad for you. For a newbie like you, without knowledge of the market and a clear direction for yourself, choosing whether to trade or hold will only lead to one result: loss. So my suggestion, you take the time to learn some about bitcoin, the market and once you have knowledge. You will know what is better for you and can make your own choice. Investing on other people's advice never brings good results because we are not the same, we have different interests, tastes...

Or you can do it this way. Although it is a small amount, I think it is enough for you to experience both, why not use $50 to trade and hold the remaining $50?

You could chose trading and most probably lose your coins, but at least you learned your lesson. So it’s not a complete loss after all. However, if you really want to increase your coins seriously, hodling will be a better option. Keep doing DCA and hold, that will ensure bigger profits in the end. But of course, the real challenge here if you can stay hodling despite of some market crash and price fluctuations. While it seems easy to say, but actually hard to do especially if you cannot control your high emotions.

You can increase your bitcoin by trading. If you buy at a low price and sell at a high price, which is possible. But it is important to remember that it is difficult to predict whether Bitcoin will increase or decrease. It may also happen that the price of Bitcoin may decrease after you buy it, what will you do in that case? There are many new traders who are very excited at the beginning but when the market moves towards a long bearish trend, they panic and sell and face big losses. So you should definitely invest in Bitcoin by considering both sides. If you can hold your Bitcoin for the long term, then you will definitely get big returns. I would personally suggest holding rather than trading with Bitcoin.

I mean, that's what trading does? Making the initial amount bigger than, well, the initial amount. Is it better than hodling? Depends on what metric. In ease, hodling tops trading. In possible profits? Trading tops hodling. Just a matter of what you want and what you can and can't do.

And brainwashing yourself to the idea that the price of Bitcoin that you thought of in the future would be the price is, well, pretty bad ngl. Like I mean even if it was actually true, you'd still have to wait for that future to happen/pass. And that's on the off chance that IT IS true.

Holding is the best because there’s zero chance of losing your 0.001BTC. Find a better job and invest part of your salary on Bitcoin. That’s a better way on consuming your time to earn rather than trading since you will still need time for analysis for determining when to buy and sell.

If you value Bitcoin 1M in the future then you should treasure it now and invest for more rather than risk it on trading that is too volatile right now.

Worst is you bust it all in futures trading if you become greedy.

0.001 is too small if you want to keep it for years just to wait for Bitcoin price to reach $1 million. If you have income, you should add it from your income if you have it and do it according to your ability after you prioritize all the basic needs and make purchases periodically when you receive income if your goal is for the long term because this is a very good opportunity to get big profits in the long term so you should plan it from now on, and besides if you can get it without having to buy it and it can help your accumulation no matter how much it is.

Trading activity is not easy because it requires a lot of experience, and if you have good experience in trading it depends on you. If not, your 0.001 Bitcoin will definitely be lost and you will regret it and it is much better if you use it for you to enjoy by selling it.

This really depends on your goal if you want to focus on either short or long-term strategy.

If you want to focus on short-term goal, then trading would definitely be the best option. Be reminded, however, that trading involves huge risk on your part. With all the experiences of traders being discussed in this forum, you may want to check their threads/posts for your insight regarding trading.

If you want to focus on long-term strategies, then HODLing would be the strategy that I would recommend. As the name suggests, it will focus on long-term holding of your BTCs until it reaches a certain price that you are comfortable selling.

In conclusion, there are two (2) ways on how to invest and its timeline would depend on your liking. All have their respective risks and advantages depending on which strategy you would employ.

You have done the calculation already a about the future of Bitcoin which you mentioned 2040, so you can just stick to that future you see, you already said that when you hold your $100 till 2040 is a *10 of your investment, so just hold it because is better to keep it there than doing what you cannot account for, the price might also exceed the $million on that time and that's how your $100 will be multiplying but also no that all those prices are speculation because those years might come and the price are not even a little bit close, so that's how you should see it.

It is possible to increase it, and it is also possible to lose it all to trading, so you must be pretty sure of the option you want to take before taking it.

They were also investors who had predictions that were pegged to this year, but the reality of things is that predictions will not always go as expected. 2040 is still some time away; things may still not be as you expect.

If they are frozen sound like a great idea to me but when it is frozen will dey be able to still buy more Bitcoins and send to that particular frozen wallet? 12-15 years guarantees that the owner have more that enough however even though we are optimistic.

We all know how the market works, but in certain circumstances, there are times when the strategy we have does not really give the return we expect. I once lost $1k in my trading experiment, it didn't even take long for me to get my trading balance to 0. Instead of spot, I preferred to trade futures with my chosen risk, but the market really dumped badly when I entered it.

This is an experience that taught me a lot about future trading, but on some occasions I still find it difficult to control my emotions. Losing money because my long position was destroyed did not make me give up at all, but I did not pursue future trading too much because I was basically just trying to get experience from there.

First of all, I will say that holding is much better than trading. If you do not have trading experience and if you are new, then you will not be able to earn money easily by trading. To earn money from trading platforms, it is essential to have experience and trading knowledge. But if you are a new person, if you have a little knowledge about investment and can give proper security to your investment, then investment will be the best for you. I am a little experienced in trading platforms. Since I am a little experienced, I can say that you will never succeed. I also had the same thoughts as you and I did trading. At first I made some profit and I liked it very much and I got so greedy because of it that I have lost 700 dollars so far. Whatever you do, do holding instead of trading, so you will be much more successful.

It's possible with trading. I have managed to increase mine quite a bit in recent times with a bit of leverage but I don't recommend it unless you know what you're doing. My point is, it is possible but not easy. you will find that it is much more better (and easier too) to just buy and hold bitcoin if you have an income flow.



No one know the future but the general consensus is that bitcoin will reach $1m; probably sooner than the year 2040 but then, what do I know?

Buy, hold, accumulate, that's really good advice for those just starting out.
Recommending risky trades like leverage to beginners is definitely not advisable - but if they are brave and capable of managing risk, then they can give it a try. I didn't do as well as I had hoped in trading - but at least I understood how the market could give me returns.

Instead of $1M in 2040 - I tend to hope $250K in 2025. But in the long term - bitcoin is the most recommended investment for investors to own - it is the asset that has performed well so far.

Well, a simple buy and sell can actually generate some profits. But with the amount you have, it is too small to think it will generate big profits. If you have the intention to make crypto another source of income, try to add some more funds. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with trying trading, provided that you also have good knowledge about it. Some say trading is not for everyone, but we can never tell if that is for us until we try and see the results.

I support your plan, but as I've said, if you can risk more, the better. At least $500-$1000 is good enough.

Know your position in trading. If you are confident that you will make it right, then do trade cautiously. But if you are hesitant to trade because you know your own limits and potentials, just stay holding, as easy as that mate. You don’t have to make it complicated. Trading is risky so you have to think a hundred times prior to decision making. But if you hold your bitcoin, you will surely increase the amount of your bitcoin, but it does not happen in an instant.

Well, that amount is good to trade in the market since you won't be losing a lot or at least that amount of money is already a lot in you. If that's the latter then I advise you to keep on holding it and do something else so that you can add more with the use of your salary. But if you want to trade it and you're completely out of idea on how to do it, you should stop. It seems that you have the idea of what you're doing and it may sound easy but to be honest I won't be surprised if one day, you'll just choose the easier path and that's to DCA and hold.

I would say more trading doesn't equal to more profit, depends on the person. There are plenty of people who have no idea how trading works and they could have all the time in the world and all the trading they want and all the money in the world and they would have no idea how to make money. That means, if you are an amazing trader, and have small capital and very tiny amount of time, then you could still use that small window and make some more money.

You should be considering how to make money and learn how to be good at it, so that capital and time could be made, because the better you get, the more time you will have. Imagine being a great trader that you make enough as an income, you would not have a job or anything. So try to be good, that is the most important part.

Winning from FBC? That is something tough to achieve considering how high their house edge is and the recent troubles the site has been facing.

Would the OP mind posting some pictures of the website showing the win?

As far as what to do with the money, its simple, withdraw it from the casino first, then save it up for selling in the future when the price rises. If you take the current bull run as the point to sell, then also you can go forward and sell and then hold the USDT for long term - till the bear run starts and then you can buy back.

Holding is another term for never selling, which is stubborn. Long term trading should be the goal here.

Every choice has a risk, choose the one with the least risk.
When you choose to trade, the way it works will not be smooth, where when you have bought, the price of Bitcoin goes up so that it can be sold immediately, it takes skill in trading so that you can make money, and when you choose to hold you may feel like you are losing the opportunity to get profit when the price of Bitcoin goes down, so knowledge is needed not only when trading but also holding.
And no one can know exactly what will happen to Bitcoin in the future.

Trading will be high risk if you are not someone who understands how to trade. If you are new to trading, you can lose your 0.001 BTC or the amount may decrease from what you currently have.
If you do not have trading skills, it is better to hold your Bitcoin as the plan you discussed. You will still hold 0.001 BTC, but the value may change when you want to sell it. It can increase according to your prediction, but it can also not be that high.

Depending on the knowledge you have in the world of crypto, which is certain both have a risk, but the risk trading is greater while hodling is not too risky only when the price drops, but if you choose bitcoin is not a problem.

Trading especially you must have trading knowledge, that is certain, while your hodling only needs to wait when the price is good for example you buy at this time $ 90k/btc in the next five years if BTC $300k you can sell it, on the contrary if the price of $50k, you can lose, but I'm sure hodling is better than trading.

If you are ready for higher risks and ready to lose your money. So you can actually try trading. As long as you really have good insight and analysis in trading itself. And if you are not confident in the way you analyze and you are not confident in the trading strategy that you will use then I think Hodling is better. And you can only save BTC in the long term if you are not going to use the money in the long term.

I often accumulate bitcoins if I have excess funds that I won't use. Or the remaining funds after all my monthly living needs are met. I also trade sometimes but that is with special funds that I budget for trading. So in essence, both hodling and trading have their own risks and their own potential. but if you prefer to take risks to increase your assets then trading is indeed possible. But yes, provided you also understand trading itself. Don't trade based only on feelings and not mature analysis.

Do you know how to trade? If you do not know how to trade professionally, I am already having the feeling that you might incur more losses than gains while trading your Bitcoins. As for investing instead, it will take time to become very profitable, but I am certain that you would make a lot of money if you hodl your Bitcoin for a very long time.

If I were in your shoes, I wouldn’t bother experimenting because I already know how everything would end. I am not a good trader, so I will stick to what I know is less risky for me and that is hodling.

I have already started my DCA journey, and I already have the self-assurance that I am not doing the wrong thing since I'll be hodling for a very long time. My current experience is enough experiment.

Your decision won’t depend on the amount, but it’s all on your knowledge and capability to trade, otherwise you remain hodling all the way. However, if you are confident enough to trade because you are an experienced trader, trading would be a better option. But it never lost the fact that no matter how experienced you are, losses are still possible. So prepare yourself to lose, or just hold your coins and make it grow year after year.

 if you have Bitcoin and hold onto it for the long run, you are likely to see the value increase over time.  Though trading can be tempting for quick profits, its super risky, especially for beginners.  You gotta be prepared to lose whatever money you put in.  You will never be able to time the market perfectly. Even if you think Bitcoin is overvalued, the price can still go up. The same is true the other way around. So if you are going to trade solely based on your gut feeling, expect to lose money over time.

@OP, holding is less stressful and less risky than trading. Before you trade, you need to gather a lot of experience and even after you experience, there's no guarantee that immediately you start trading with real money you will make profit, most of the times, once you start trading with real money, you will lose that your initial deposit because you have not completely gotten used to trading psychology and until you learn it, you probably could be losing your deposit repeatedly and that's not good for you since you want to double your $100 worth of Bitcoin. It is best to hold if you know you can't risk losing your money.

I believe holding will perform better in the long term but I also curious with your experiment.
Although the only downside of you doing trading in spot is missing out the rally, but I'm sure trading in spot with bitcoin while having long term conviction can turn out really well.
it will be more interesting if you experiment on future trading though I'm sure the result will be a lot different than spot trading or holding ;D.

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If there's high expectation of entertainment and low expectation for profit, then YES, that's the best path to achieve losing your money.

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But he did also say that it's an "experiment" on what's better - Trading or HODLing. Give it a cycle or two cycles. Many people, most probably 90% of them or more, saying that "trading" is better will learn the HARD WAY that they should have merely HODLed Bitcoin.

Many forum participants did similar experiments, but the result was usually a loss of deposit. And if the OP tries to trade without having the knowledge and experience to do so, then it is 100% safe to assume that his experiment will fail.

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For someone who is completely new in this space, holding is probably a better option because a newbie wouldn't have enough knowledge to get into trading and turn $100 into more money, which is the basic aim. Trading requires extensive knowledge about trading practices and the market, and some experience with the market and its movement to have an understanding of when to buy and when to sell an asset to stay profitable. Besides, I think $100 as a capital for trading is also pretty small, and even though one might be able to make some money with it through margins trading, it's too risky as I said.

That being said, I think for someone like you who seems to have no knowledge whatsoever about trading and the market, the best option is to hold and there is absolutely no need for any experiments as said by fellow forum members because experiments should be done with money that you can afford to lose and you aim to learn with the experience without worrying about the funds, and I don't think that's the case with you.

Yeah, the ball thingy with binance looks like the best way to explain it. I understand that spending is better, like you earn and then you spend, but it is also clear that we are going to make more money by holding versus trading. So that is why we can't make that much money and that is why we are going to be holding a lot more and we won't be getting what we want.

It is clear that we are going to see people preferring that too. I am sure that we can make money with time too, and that should be the most important way to focus on bitcoin, making money". If we do that then we are go get used to this and that should be the key future here. So if you get used to it, like hold once, then you can get a greater return without much in the future and can keep holding longer.

Huge number of experiments already prove the theory over and over. Hard scientific evidence that majority of traders lose money. And still he has to ask the question, but yeah exactly. Give it one more cycle go full circle to prove to himself.

In fact all those trading platforms that tell you 80% traders lose money? That's just one cycle or less. That number goes closer to 100% the more they track.

For everyone who's afraid to trade in the market, they should choose to hold. It's not making any investor a less just because they choose to do that. I've been a holder but at the same time trades only whenever it is convenient for me. This is what's good on this, we can do whatever we want with our money and also we're free to trade. But if you've got some bad experience gained over the period of time, will soon realize that it's best to simply hold and not do anything stupid at all with your money. It's a slow approach but rewarding in the long run and have been proven by the majority of the people not just in the forum but globally.

OP, If you really want to do a very good experiment and give yourself a test, then do this: Take one 0.001 Btc and another one 0.001 Btc. Now save one Bitcoin on your self-custody wallet or on an exchange that offers you a normal APY (Annual Percentage Yield). Then deposit the other 0.001 Btc to your exchange account and start trading. Focus on growing the value of Bitcoin, not on the value of USD. Set 365 days as your first target, so you won't be in a rush. Trade slowly, only when it's necessary and in the end, compare the results. If you manage to get more money by just holding them, then stick with this plan and if you manage to get significantly more money by trading, then repeat.

Based on my experienced, better trade your 0.001 bitcoin as short term by selling when breaking out to higher price and then buy back later after going down to lower price, bitcoin not always stable at higher price since your post last five days ago bitcoin have up and down its better way how to increase your bitcoin amount. Holding for long term actually not bad ideas but you need more patience waiting for bitcoin drastically raise to higher price and have to face several time moment bitcoin will get correction.

I believe if you trade as short term buying at lower price and then selling later when break to higher price easily increase your bitcoin amount, indeed not take short time but you have chance increase bitcoin from 0.001 btc become 0.01 until bigger amount depend how many time bitcoin get up and down. Last month bitcoin after breaking out above $100k and correction drop to $75k and you can increase bitcoin amount if you sell at higher price and buy back at lower price.

As a first step, you should try it to eliminate your curiosity about trading and of course to do this must be accompanied by strategy and knowledge. Taking small risks is less likely to lead to depression or regret when you fail the experiment.
Now you need to strategize if you believe in the great potential that Bitcoin will generate in the future, remember, time never waits for you, as long as there is still an opportunity, then take advantage of it.

Trade no 1: 0.001 BTC sold for 103.36 USD (1 BTC = 103 356.45 USD).
Balance: 0 BTC, 103.36 USD.

Yes, it's possible to increase the initial BTC amount you got through trading but you've to be good at trading. If that's the little experiment you talked about, you may what to risk it. It won't kill you. If you lose, you learn from it and Garner experience. If you win, you will be glad you took the bold step. After all, learning is a part of growth. However, don't go all in by using all that you've got. Only use a part of it.

My suggestion to you again would be not to trade it through Futures. Leave it at simple Spot trading. Just your regular selling at the top to rebuy at dip. Don't target a very steep dip as Bitcoin is gaining momentum now because your re-entry point may be unrealistic and you miss it. Just a slight dip and you're in again.

Nice start. Always keep a close watch on it for re-entry whenever you sell off.

He won't lose his coins if he trades on the spot trading - but he will lose some percent of his capital due to the price drop. If he has $100 as his main capital - then I think he can use all of it to trade. Diversification when his capital is that much doesn't help at all - I tend to recommend him to trade on one asset. A simple strategy is to buy on the dip and sell on the rise - this can be done repeatedly until he manages to accumulate a lot.

Yes - good advice.

Any worth of Bitcoin shouldn't be used as a medium of experiment cause if you know it's value and worth you won't be risking it in conducting an experiment they won't yield results. What you do that I prefer instead is holding for long term which will be profitable to you cause with the look of things the price of Bitcoin can skyrocket at anytime thereby making you smile for doing so, so hodl instead of trading for now.

Know that trading is not for everybody, if you don't have what it takes to be a successful trader it is better to hodl your Bitcoin and take profit on the long term. Trading can give you profit in the shortest time but it can also take your small funds on the shortest time so if you must succeed in trading you have to understand the technicalities and fundamental analysis with the right mindset to be profitable. Hodling is far easier, all you need to do is buy, hold and wait for a long term to get returns on your investment, with a strategy like DCA method you can increase your stash and make so much profit on the long term.

They are both unique and they have their own risks...I can't really say that one is better than the other because they work differently based on every individuals level of knowledge... holding is more of people who are into long term investments and trading on the other hand is more of a short term term investment..they are both profitable but it both involves taking risks and knowing how to keep it balanced

If you choose to trade, know that it's not answering to the question. It's only answering to the question if you are lucky as a trader, as other traders have different views for it being overvalued / undervalued. Some of them guess right and some wrong. Those terms only become real after some time when the price keeps moving on.

And maybe it's translation error, but that last sentence doesn't make sense. How it's more cheaper in 2040 then today, if it's 100k now?

First you need to know that Bitcoin is risky, but holding is less risky than trading. If you can't analyze the market properly, you will lose instead of profit from trading. But if you buy bitcoins and hold them for a long time, you can expect profit in the future. Now many people have lost money by trading, but if someone has invested at any time in the past and held on till now, then he must be currently in profit. Now we cannot say that the price of Bitcoin will be 1 million dollars in 2040, we believe that at some point in the future the price of Bitcoin will be 1 million dollars, but no one can tell the exact time. No one can tell how many dollars your holding will be in the future, but you can expect to make several times the profit. No matter what you do holding or trading, don't use more money than you can afford to lose.

I agree with you, in the long run, holding can be the least risky and most profitable. When comparing trading to holding, it is clear that trading is definitely harder and riskier than holding. Yes, trading is definitely good, but if it is compared to holding, I will definitely be in favor of holding, and everyone will say that holding is safer. And not everyone can benefit from trading, because not everyone can trade correctly, but in the case of holding, you just have to buy and hold. And real investors know very well that how valuable Bitcoin is likely to be in the coming days, and if an investor holds Bitcoin for the next 10 years with long-term faith, then he can benefit more than anything else.

2040 is so far and that's about 15 years from now hence that price is so possible for Bitcoin to be worth. In the next decade we should be selling one Bitcoin more than 1 million because if Bitcoin is increasing on a steady increase after every halving, it should be able to be worth more than 500k by the next Bitcoin halving and when that double that's about a million next. Many people will be thinking a million is too far for it to be able to achieved but that's not a far price for Bitcoin.

Holding that $100 should be worth more than $1000 by then and it's going to be a good investment although to benefit more, you should be capable of a cumulating more Bitcoin before that time reach. The more Bitcoin you own the better profits you'll be able to make but don't over invest that it becomes a burden to you to keep on hodling.

It seems to be too far if you start from now and imagine about 15 years later but if I inform you about a big fact that Bitcoin has been here for 16 years already, what do you think?

Time flies very fast and 16-year existence of Bitcoin is a strong example for this fact from which you can learn from the past and make your plan for future.

Your account was created 3 years ago and I believe that if you look back, you would feel it like yesterday. 15 years is five fold of such period, and I am sure it will come very quickly. Another example is Covid-19 that is like yesterday with me but in fact it was almost six years ago.
Understanding about it and Bitcoin controlled supply, you can make your investment plan better than many other people.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply
Equivalent network time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331087)

It can definitely be said that holding bitcoin will require less effort than trading, as it will take a lot of time to gain knowledge and experience in order to learn how to trade profitably. In addition, if you decide to become a trader, you will lose several deposits until you achieve mastery. So it might be better to invest this money in bitcoin and then just hold it.

Bitcoin reaching a million dollar in 2040 may not be something we should be discussing now even though we know really well that it can reach up to that amount in years to come but not actually sure the year it is going to happen. If you hold on to your investment till 2040, I assure you that you’ll get as much of what you’re holding now in worth of bitcoin.

Trading is risky, even if it is the fastest way to make your money grow to reach that amount you’ve wanted it to reach or what you’re predicting for it to reach by 2040. Trading is risky and as a newbie, it’s advisable that you stay away from it and focus more on buying bitcoin and hold. That will mean less risk for you and more potential profit in the future for your investment.

You already know what you want to do.

You want to have fun with it and see how far it can go. And since you said it is an amount you can afford to lose, I say go for it. For me, I can't afford to lose $100 , I'll probably be holding even though I know that it is a small amount and there will be little profit out of it from the holding..
However, if I decide to do DCA of $100 per month that's going to amount to much in some years.

Exactly! Many people trade but they fail to increase the value of their coins. From $100 at the beginning become less than initial, because the trading cannot make the right entry and exit, the balance eventually decreases periodically. Trading, it must be active for at least 1x24 hours, to see if the stop loss or take profit has been triggered or not. if it has been triggered, then it must take a re-position. This must be done routinely. While holding, just save it in the wallet and let it work by itself following the value of Bitcoin itself, without having to determine when to exit and enter every day.

Any many is worth it if it came from small amounts. Don't think of it as something too little if that's your goal.

I respect your goal and I also have mine, they all started small and for you to have a bigger gains, you have to take risk and have some more.

It's a number game that the more you hold, the more profit you'll get when that year comes.

Just don't limit yourself to how much you invest in Bitcoin, as long as you have extra, that's what you should buy or you should always allocate for bitcoin every time you make a profit.

It's up to you whether you save it monthly or weekly, as long as it's up to you, since you're the one who knows what you're really doing. Now, as for trading, there's no problem as long as you trade at your own risk and you should also accept that you also accept losing in trading because not every time you win.

Trading your asset to increase your bitcoin portfolio is something you should ask yourself if you can be able to do. Although if you are ready and willing to use the funds to trade, then you should know more about trading, have your own strategy and everything a trader needs before you jump into trading because trading is very risky, especially for a beginner trader.

So trading your bitcoin to increase the portfolio – that decision should be for you, although people may do that if they have the knowledge of trading, not beginners. Although if it’s me, I won’t trade the $100. I would rather keep holding the bitcoin, and when I have money to buy more bitcoin will do that but not use the $100 to trade, thinking that it will increase. I can say that is a risky decision; nobody will stop you from doing that since you said you can afford to lose the $100.

Trading is trading but short-term investment belongs to hodling category. There are traders who hold for a while but if that was the case, they better don't trade at all and just do short-term investing instead. It is shows that they are not yet ready on the level of risk that trading has to offer. This is the problem of most people or traders. They get too excited and lacks in patience to go on the process first.

The balance that you said at the end, can mean two things. That is; the balance in our daily life and balance on the holding or trading activity that we do. This is like saying we shouldn't be greedy because even if we win, we will still lose our profits if we won't stop.

Both approaches have their place and effectiveness many investors also successfully combine both approaches where they hold some long term investments and use some for short term trading. Those who are not well versed in the process and strategy of trading should not expect immediate profits rather they are more likely to experience consistent losses in the early stages of learning. And for those who are interested in long term investments and are not concerned about short term market fluctuations holding coins can be a relatively safe and stable strategy. Good quality coins have the potential to increase in value over time you should consider your situation and goals to decide which one is best for you.

Simply hodl bitcoin is not complicated and very simple and provides breadth in long-term investment but when talking about trading then some beginners will feel the difficulty and the risk is very large. Based on the OP question, a better small trial would certainly fall on hodl.

Actually Trading with tiny sums is a good method to learn without risking much. Timing the market can be tough though, given BTC is very volatile. As for the future if Bitcoin actually does hit a million by 2040 even holding that 0.001 may be worth a lot more than now. But it all relies on how the market moves and how consistent you are with your strategy.

While hodling will benefit investors, trading will benefit the network as trades are carried out. It was for this reason that the famed 10,000 BTC was exchanged for just two pizzas. My argument has always been that if everyone decides not to sell their Bitcoin, no one will have an idea what Bitcoin value is today. Nothing is worth anything untill it's exposed to the dynamics of the market. Yes, Bitcoin will worth more in future but I rather not hodl all throughout without taking profit from time to time and then rebuying at low.

I don't recommend we trading to increase our portfolio but instead, investing is the right thing to do. We should be investing into getting better paying jobs that'll give us enough money to have spares to invest into our portfolio. Trading isn't a guarantee and I don't like to do things that doesn't have guaranteed because we can lose while doing those things. With jobs, we'll have assurance that we can get a specific amount of money monthly or weekly that'll be use to invest and then we can grow our portfolio to our desire taste.

Holding helps build your patience with trading makes you impatient because you can't be waiting for the market to give you profits while trading instead all you'll be concerned about is how to make profits with every movement of the market and when the market moves without you making a profit, you'll become angry.

Both will definitely always be the case, where investors will always be there to hold their assets in Bitcoin until their price targets and traders are always making trades to make profits from the price fluctuations that occur.
It is indeed an advantage for the network or exchange but trading also provides advantages for those who trade correctly and professionally.

You probably won't be selling bitcoins anytime soon, and only accumulate Bitcoins when the price drops drastically and it looks like you have enough Bitcoin for you to hold on to in the long run.

But of course you have a target price that will be the point where you will sell it for the profit you expect, not hold it for the rest of your life.

Hodl is not a panacea when investing in cryptocurrencies, as all coins are different in their technology. And if some coins have long-term potential, and over time their price may rise, then other coins are speculative and their price may not only decrease, but also disappear from the market altogether.

I agree with the sentence you used in the first verse, traders with small capital must be more active in monitoring market movements to gain profit from price movements that occur all the time. They also need to be patient and not panic easily if the price drops after making a purchase because market sentiment can change at any time. Preventing greater losses needs to be done by choosing top coins such as Bitcoin, its strong level of resistance can provide comfort for traders who have small capital. Traders also need to analyze the market carefully so as not to rush when making decisions, avoiding FOMO also needs to be done for trading discipline so as not to be tempted to make impulsive decisions.

That is recommendation for those who new in trading. Using small money while they learn about the analysis and other things can help them to have time to understand. If they lose, their lose will not too big but they can learn from their mistake to improve their skill.

But if you think you are difficult to learn trading more details, you can just hodl Bitcoin without spending to anywhere. You use Bitcoin as your long term investment and still buying using DCA method. That help you to gain the big profit in the future especially when Bitcoin reach your target price. You should know that no one can force you to trade.

If we are talking about Bitcoin, then there is nothing to think about, holding will almost certainly bring you better results, maybe an exception will be if you are a very good trader, but for most people holding will work better. If we are talking about holding altcoins, then this is a very bad idea in my opinion, especially if it is a long-term hold, then you still need to monitor the project, and with altcoins, everything usually goes down. So if this is advice for a beginner, then first - buy only Bitcoin, and second - do not try to trade, just hold.

This is the main difference between holding and trading. The holding allows even a beginner who does not have special knowledge about cryptocurrencies to make a profit on a long-term basis if the coin is chosen correctly for investment. Trading is profitable only if the trader is really a professional in his field.

You may have forgotten that the money is more expensive for the holding than trading. Why do you think it can cost a lot of money to learn trading details? I think you can master everything very easily if you are in a hard work. Otherwise you will not be able to benefit even if you hold Bitcoin. Because it is the first time you need patience to learn trading. However, if you have a lot of money, you can do both the trade and holding. However, Risk is low for holding and Risk is higher in the trading. That is why one should go ahead with whatever choice and be careful all the time. So that everything can be dealt with before the bad situation in the market .

If you prioritise the safety of your money, go for HODLing, but be sure that you zero your mind of that money and your profit won't be exciting after a long period of time. However, if you prioritise risk, especially when your AI is good at what it does, then go for trading. Supposing I'm the one, I will try my luck on trading and follow the strategy you explained, but with extra caution and more analysis. If you are lucky and successful enough, you might make multiples of this amount in just one year.

It's even better. If OP thinks it's eventually going to a million dollars, why not focus on doing something else and let the coin grow in a cold wallet?

We all have a certain amount of time to spend every day. We can dedicate this time to certain activities like working, trading, having fun, and so on. IMO trading is a bit counterproductive if you're a bull and believe it's going to appreciate to insane levels, the way Saylor predicts. It's better to look for ways to get capital, like through a business, taking loans, selling unneeded stuff. You're going to make more money this way than by trading. Let's say you can make 50% a year through trading. You have $10k to begin with, and you'll make 5k a year and bitcoin goes up 20% that year which is a very low number but I'm showing it to you on purpose. 
You can easily save up $5k and invest in bitcoin by simply working on it. By the end of the year you'll have $15k + whatever 20% gave you over the year, which could be between $2k and 3k. Being a very good, often lucky trader will more or less give you the same results as having a job and saving up in bitcoin, unless you have huge investment to begin with, like over $100k, which could allow you to make more money from trading.

With low starting capital you're going to do better saving up, working and doing DCA.

On the moment that we are just that still starting then these kind of questions or things will definitely be that pushed up into your mind on which you will be having that kind of confusion on what are the actions that you would be needing up to do for you to be able to have that maximize profits as much as possible. Also, each person does have that different level of tolerance when it comes to risks taking and management on which simply means that you would be needing up to consider on which method that makes you that yourself be comfortable whether you would become that a holder or you would be that become a short term trader. Not all will be having that courage on taking up that trading short term approach because volatility isnt something that you can deal on it on easy way and needed up for you to be serious. If you are still that having that hindrance on which one you would be trying out to deal with then this is the moment or time that you would be trying out to test out on which one works for you.

It all matters about on how you would be able to test out whether it will be that holding or trading actively on which it matters about on the risks management that you would be trying out to deal on with. If you are just that simply testing out on how you would be handling up your crypto investment then this will be the best approach on this one. You are the ones will be trying out on which one works for you and just like been said that risks tolerance will differ into each individual and thats why decisions will also vary too.

While holding could make an edge in the future, but trading could make you highly profitable as well, that is if you are inclined already on how to manage that kind of craft. However, since you are still in the beginner’s era, I suggest don’t rush into trading yet, otherwise all your funds will be put at risk of losing even by just a single mistake. Learn how to trade, but always put holding first as your priority.

Of course, trading brings much more profit on a short-term basis, but we should not forget that such traders, who receive stable profits, according to statistics, only 5% of the total number. So everyone should independently determine for themselves who they are: a trader or a holder.

You can do both with different coins. If Bitcoin, you should save and keep it for the long term. And if you want to trade and don't have enough knowledge, you can learn everything well first and start with a very small capital and make both of them as your comparison and which one is better and which one is more profitable and also which one is easier to do and you will find the answer that suits you better. But if in the end you have expertise with both, there is nothing wrong with doing both, the most important thing is that both are profitable for you and you can also get long-term and short-term profits.

The aim is to trade with low and sell high, as it is easy to put the words into practice, let alone with the volatility of crypto markets. It is a good idea that you are planning on trying to trade at 0.001 BTC since this will not cost you much to learn.
Regarding your attitude that in 2040, the price of Bitcoin may reach about a million dollars, this is a high but widely shared short-term forecast by certain adherents. In case that occurs, your 0.001 BTC would appreciate to the amount of approximately a thousand dollars, which is a fine addition compared to the current values. But you know, in the intervening time, there is a chance that the price would go way down before it would go up. Crypto prices rarely ever increase in a linear fashion and the path there is usually characterized by highs and lows.

I believe it will only depend on your willingness to endure the volatility and in this case it should be considered both as a learning experience as well as a long-term investments. I will like to know the way that your experiment of trading will go.