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Title: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 02, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
As we all know, the Euro elections are just weeks away.

This time, there are a total of 751 seats, divided in to 28 member states. Germany will elect 96 MEPs, while France will have 74. The UK and Italy will elect 73 each.

The polling dates are from 22 and 25 May 2014.

Discuss the prospects of your favorite political parties.   

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/EP-constituencies.svg/350px-EP-constituencies.svg.png


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: railzand on April 02, 2014, 02:06:14 PM
no


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Lethn on April 02, 2014, 02:15:39 PM
Not if the UK has the planned EU referendum we won't :P


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bigtimespaghetti on April 02, 2014, 02:33:07 PM
Not if the UK has the planned EU referendum we won't :P

Even if we do, do you really think the public has that much of a spine? I'm sure that people are somewhat sceptical but I really can't see anything happening even if we do hold a vote.

And on the tiny chance we do leave, will the vindictive political backlash of the EU cause us to go running back? It would surely put pressure on whichever party is currently in power.

I can't see any good situation occurring from this. There's too much short term pain from leaving.

And as to "favourite" political party. We all know it will be more of the same. I guess I enjoy the ones that make me smile and occassionally speak a nugget of truth.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Cheesus on April 02, 2014, 03:07:34 PM
no
legit


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 02, 2014, 03:40:19 PM
Not if the UK has the planned EU referendum we won't :P

Is such a referendum supported by any of the major political parties? And more importantly, is it legitimate?


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 03, 2014, 03:02:56 AM
Latest opinion polls from France:

UMP leading with 24% of the vote, FN close behind with 22%. The ruling PS will only get 19% of the vote.

http://www.ipsos.fr/ipsos-public-affairs/actualites/2014-03-30-francais-et-l-apres-municipales


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Sithara007 on April 07, 2014, 04:40:58 PM
Jobbik gets more than 20% of the vote in the Hungarian General Elections:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.584200

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Jobbik_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g%C3%A9rt_Mozgalom.png


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 07, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
Jobbik gets more than 20% of the vote in the Hungarian General Elections:

20% of the votes can give them 4 to 5 seats in the EU parliament. With the FN in France expecting to win at least 15 seats, forming a block won't be much difficult.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Kiki112 on April 07, 2014, 08:42:52 PM
Jobbik gets more than 20% of the vote in the Hungarian General Elections:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.584200

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Jobbik_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g%C3%A9rt_Mozgalom.png

yeah, I'v heard of him, congratulations for uniting your right-winged parties :)


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Sithara007 on April 09, 2014, 07:07:37 AM
A potential game changer here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-eu-26890988

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But now, with support for the far-right rising, four parties - France's National Front (FN), Austria's Freedom Party (FPOe), Belgium's Vlaams Belang and the Sweden Democrats - have joined up to form a European youth movement.

They can add more parties, such as Ataka of Bulgaria, BNP of UK, PVV of the Netherlands, NPD of Germany.etc


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: EasySam on April 09, 2014, 01:14:10 PM
More nationalistic parties in euro parlament...

EU might get closer to USA at this point in election system.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 09, 2014, 02:29:40 PM
EU might get closer to USA at this point in election system.

There are no nationalist parties in the US Senate. Even in the house there is no nationalist representation. The US is having a two-party system, unlike the multi-party system of the EU.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: IIOII on April 09, 2014, 02:41:38 PM
In Germany there was a recent judgement of the constitutional court which eliminated the former treshhold for seats for European elections (first 5% then 3%). So in Germany any party which reaches approx. 1% of votes will get a seat. This will strengthen all small parties.

I expect that AfD (eurosceptic), NPD (far-right), Piratenpartei (pirate party, in Germany now much more left-wing than libertarian) will get seats for the first time.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 09, 2014, 03:32:39 PM
I expect that AfD (eurosceptic), NPD (far-right), Piratenpartei (pirate party, in Germany now much more left-wing than libertarian) will get seats for the first time.

AfD and PP might get seats. But the NPD got only 0.9% of the vote in 2004. They didn't participated in 2009. Die Republikaner might get one seat, as they got 1.3% of the votes last time.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: IIOII on April 09, 2014, 06:59:10 PM
I expect that AfD (eurosceptic), NPD (far-right), Piratenpartei (pirate party, in Germany now much more left-wing than libertarian) will get seats for the first time.

AfD and PP might get seats. But the NPD got only 0.9% of the vote in 2004. They didn't participated in 2009. Die Republikaner might get one seat, as they got 1.3% of the votes last time.

Republikaner are in a constant decline since several elections and will most likely loose votes to AfD, so I think it is less likely they will get votes above 1% than the NPD, which is much more radical and therefore more likely to keep its core voters. But I wouldn't rule it out.

It will be interesting to see if the smallest parties as a whole improve their results because the threshold no longer exists and voters will be more likely to vote for their real preference than just strategically out of fear the vote might not count in the end (party does not get past the threshold).


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: FalconFly on April 09, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
Well, another chance to get rid of the unelected Goldman Sachs sock puppets trying to lead the EU into the abyss and form a EuSSR...

But considering how incredibly apathetic and uninformed the general public is - who knows. Most are busy watching disinfo channels presented as "news" and other than that bread & games TV shows.
I don't have high hopes for getting that continent back on a healthy track but it's always worth a shot trying.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2014, 02:16:07 AM
But considering how incredibly apathetic and uninformed the general public is - who knows. Most are busy watching disinfo channels presented as "news" and other than that bread & games TV shows.

The anti-banker parties might increase their representation. But I don't think that they will gather more than 5-10% of the total seats. Still, it will be some sort of a victory.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: sana8410 on April 23, 2014, 08:38:21 AM
European Parliament will be held in all member states of the European Union (EU). It will be the 8th Europe-wide election to the European Parliament.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 04, 2014, 01:57:16 PM
Euro elections: Searching for President Nemo

http://rt.com/op-edge/155564-euro-elections-candidate-ridiculous

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The European Parliament is at the most productive part of its four-year cycle. Instead of adding more stifling rules, politicians are out seeking re-election to the ridiculous Brussels/Strasbourg gravy train. Thus Europeans are spared the indignity of more useless micromanaging regulation destroying employment and the economy for at least two months every four years.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 12, 2014, 12:23:14 PM
Greek neo-Nazi party allowed to participate in EU elections

http://rt.com/news/158368-party-nazi-elections-golden

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Greece's Supreme Court has cleared the Golden Dawn neo-Nazi party to take part in the upcoming parliamentary elections, according to a party lawyer. The move came despite the criminal trial into the party’s activities. The lawyer said that the Greek judiciary body’s move wasn’t a surprise at all for the Golden Dawn. "We expected this decision. We have faith in Greek justice," lawyer Pavlos Sarakis told AFP.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 12, 2014, 06:04:30 PM
As the world is swinging scarily towards the authoritarian right, I'll be voting for the opposite.  If you're in the UK and unsure which party matches your outlook of the world, there's a political quiz (http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz) that should tell you with reasonable accuracy.  Sadly it doesn't seem to have options for other EU nations.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Balthazar on May 12, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
It's hard to admit, but it seems that true far-right parties are able to save european civilization from current way of self-destruction, which formed by idiotic demographic and migration policy. By true far-right parties I mean non-puppet, independent forces like jobbik or national front.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 13, 2014, 05:00:23 PM
It's hard to admit, but it seems that true far-right parties are able to save european civilization from current way of self-destruction, which formed by idiotic demographic and migration policy. By true far-right parties I mean non-puppet, independent forces like jobbik or national front.

Said to say this.. but I fear that the Western Europe is already lost. More than 10% of the children born in England are Muslims. That figure is even higher in France. The proportion is doubling every decade or so. My suggestion is to forget about Western Europe and focus more on the Central and Eastern European nations, such as Czech Republic and Hungary.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 13, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
It's hard to admit, but it seems that true far-right parties are able to save european civilization from current way of self-destruction, which formed by idiotic demographic and migration policy. By true far-right parties I mean non-puppet, independent forces like jobbik or national front.
Said to say this.. but I fear that the Western Europe is already lost. More than 10% of the children born in England are Muslims. That figure is even higher in France. The proportion is doubling every decade or so. My suggestion is to forget about Western Europe and focus more on the Central and Eastern European nations, such as Czech Republic and Hungary.

You both have some very interpretative notions of what "self-destruction" actually means.  If you think isolationism and a fear of minorities is the way to go, then you're already well on your way towards it.  Follow the fearful "Dey Turk Er Jurbs (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/they-took-our-jobs)" mentality if you really want, but the phrase "be careful what you wish for" never rang more true.  If you vote for totalitarianism, that's what you're going to get.  Any restrictions on liberty that are imposed on a minority at the moment will be used against the majority (i.e. you) soon enough.  It's incredibly shortsighted to believe otherwise. 

Ordinary people moving freely between arbitrarily drawn lines on a map doesn't cause problems unless your prejudices allow it to.  It's not an invasion and they're not there to conquer or convert you.  They're just people.  Leave the closed-minded scapegoating for the history books, please.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 14, 2014, 03:51:29 AM
Ordinary people moving freely between arbitrarily drawn lines on a map doesn't cause problems unless your prejudices allow it to.  It's not an invasion and they're not there to conquer or convert you.  They're just people.  Leave the closed-minded scapegoating for the history books, please.

1. Yes. If all the jobless criminals of the 3rd world are allowed to migrate to Western nations, it will  create problems for me. I don't want to live in a place which is unhygienic and having high crime rate. 

2. It is an invasion and they are here to convert the natives. Check what is happening in England.

3. Yes. They are just people. But those people will never obey the laws of my home country. So I have to keep them out.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Sithara007 on May 14, 2014, 04:16:20 AM
In France, the Front National will be winning close to a dozen seats.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 14, 2014, 07:47:26 AM
Well... this is seriously funny.

Elections Seen Giving Moscow Bigger Anchor In European Parliament

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-european-fringe-parties/25382987.html

http://gdb.rferl.org/D1DA6BE1-DB8C-4B40-98C8-21AC4E8753FD_w640_s.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 14, 2014, 06:08:49 PM
Ordinary people moving freely between arbitrarily drawn lines on a map doesn't cause problems unless your prejudices allow it to.  It's not an invasion and they're not there to conquer or convert you.  They're just people.  Leave the closed-minded scapegoating for the history books, please.

1. Yes. If all the jobless criminals of the 3rd world are allowed to migrate to Western nations, it will  create problems for me. I don't want to live in a place which is unhygienic and having high crime rate. 

2. It is an invasion and they are here to convert the natives. Check what is happening in England.

3. Yes. They are just people. But those people will never obey the laws of my home country. So I have to keep them out.

Wow.  Okay...

I honestly can't tell if you're exaggerating a generalisation or if you genuinely do believe that most people from abroad fall into those categories.  Either way, most legitimate reports show that immigrants are a net contributor (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467) to the UK economy.  Some place the figure as high as £25 billion (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/05/migration-target-useless-experts).  If you want to lessen that contribution to our economy based on your own prejudices about "unhygienic criminals" (seriously?) then go ahead and vote for some isolationist party, but I still maintain it's shortsighted.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: okaynow on May 14, 2014, 10:58:47 PM
1.
You could, as a superior western civilisation, stop raining bombs all over their heads, that would stop them from leaving their countries in the first place.
2.

What you call invasion, is actually people fleeing from the nato airforces and us drones, and obviously from brutal puppet regimes that the west supports and finances, so your car can have gas, your wife diamonds and your every day life full of tech gadgets
3.
Super provocative generalisation, you have added that for extra effect i believe.

2/10


ontopic: far right seems to be on a move in many western countries.
I believe that the worst is yet to come though.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: beetcoin on May 14, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
europe's election process appears to be way better than what we have in the U.S., when you begin on the campaign trail 2 fucking years before the actual election day.. that means 2 years of having to whore yourself out to billionaires and corporations, promising favors once or if you win. i wish we could adopt this policy on elections, but that's just a pipedream.

in the U.S., the media milks the campaigns (looking at you, CNN). they talk about it 24/7 just for the sake of ratings and it's really annoying.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Hazir on May 15, 2014, 12:06:50 AM
europe's election process appears to be way better than what we have in the U.S., when you begin on the campaign trail 2 fucking years before the actual election day.. that means 2 years of having to whore yourself out to billionaires and corporations, promising favors once or if you win. i wish we could adopt this policy on elections, but that's just a pipedream.

in the U.S., the media milks the campaigns (looking at you, CNN). they talk about it 24/7 just for the sake of ratings and it's really annoying.

It is democracy! You asked for it then you got it! But jokes aside. This whole politics campaigns are more and more like contemporary circus to me. You vote for people and then what? They don't even need to keep their election promises.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 15, 2014, 02:42:28 AM
You could, as a superior western civilisation, stop raining bombs all over their heads, that would stop them from leaving their countries in the first place.

Why the common people in Europe have to pay for the crazy wars started by the Americans. Tell Obama to stop bombing innocent civilians.

What you call invasion, is actually people fleeing from the nato airforces and us drones, and obviously from brutal puppet regimes that the west supports and finances, so your car can have gas, your wife diamonds and your every day life full of tech gadgets

Once again... it is the US which is bombing and killing innocent civilians. The US regime needs to be changed.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: beetcoin on May 15, 2014, 04:31:10 AM
the U.S. military industrial complex is not going to stop. it's too profitable for the wealthy who have a stake in it, and those people are making enough money to pay off the people in washington. it's crazy how much money the republicans want to pump into "defense" which is a euphemism for "economic hegemony and expansion."


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: solimi on May 15, 2014, 07:40:28 AM
The European Commission has launched innovative program called "blue economy" is expected to continue to invest 145 million for the year 2014-2015, aimed at sustainable development and utilization of marine resources, promote economic growth and increase employment. According to reports, the "blue economy" covers aquatic, marine, marine biotechnology and marine renewable energy, etc., and in the past seven years, the European Commission providing an average of 350 million euros for Development and Research Grant "blue economy" related industries annually . European public opinion, the EU announced the "blue economy" innovation program aims to help marine-related industries continue to grow and increase employment opportunities, and ultimately to achieve economic recovery in Europe as a whole impetus. However, the EU also has to worry about the launch of the "blue economy" plan will guide the market turns ocean development, and the development process may cause environmental damage.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 15, 2014, 07:56:29 AM
the U.S. military industrial complex is not going to stop. it's too profitable for the wealthy who have a stake in it, and those people are making enough money to pay off the people in washington. it's crazy how much money the republicans want to pump into "defense" which is a euphemism for "economic hegemony and expansion."

Why should they stop the war machine? The politicians are making money, and the brainwashed public believes that it is unpatriotic to oppose the wars. This will go on until the economy is irreversibly ruined.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bitgeek on May 15, 2014, 11:56:26 AM
Whole EU sux, I can't imagine how stupid people have to be to allow other countries rule over your own. EU doesn't have a single positive feature, it forces countries to uphold their stupid laws, takes from the rich to give to the poor, wtf is this Robin Hood crap? Not to mention politicians in their parliament get enormous wages.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 15, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
More gains for the Euro-sceptics are predicted!

European elections: Euro-sceptics in Greece and Denmark

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27421170

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With some countries experiencing high unemployment and concerns about migration and the cost of being part of the EU, many places are experiencing scepticism about being part of the union. The European elections could therefore produce a parliament with more opponents to the EU than ever before.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: railzand on May 22, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
Wow seven racist parties and the usual parade of scammers. I spoiled my vote.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Benjig on May 22, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
Wow seven racist parties and the usual parade of scammers. I spoiled my vote.

Lol, frankly i dont care too about that elections, i think there are only one scammer giving the power to another scammer.. so now russia has more slice?

"The last European elections were in 2009. The Conservatives got the biggest UK share of the vote, 27.7%, UKIP got 16.5%, Labour got 15.7%, the Lib Dems 13.7%, the Green Party 8.6% and the BNP 6.2%.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 22, 2014, 07:15:04 PM
"The last European elections were in 2009. The Conservatives got the biggest UK share of the vote, 27.7%, UKIP got 16.5%, Labour got 15.7%, the Lib Dems 13.7%, the Green Party 8.6% and the BNP 6.2%.

This is the latest opinion poll for UK.

http://news.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/european-parliament-polling-19th-may

UKIP - 32%
Lab - 25%
Cons - 21%
Lib Dem - 6%
Oth - 16%


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: mailmansDOG on May 22, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
As bitcoiners; I think that the most friendly parties to us would be the pirate ones.

You can go to http://www.pp-international.net/ to see if there is one in your country. They're most likely to bee acecpting bitcoin donations too!


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 22, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Ugh, it's quite sickening to think that the majority of our euro MPs are likely going to be something that crawled out of the dark ages.  Hope the opinion polls are wrong and I don't actually live in a country full of benighted troglodytes who would actually vote for that ukip scum.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: hello_good_sir on May 23, 2014, 03:31:19 AM
It is nice to see that right-leaning parties such as UKIP are going to do well this election.  Here in the US we are limited to choosing between Maoism ("progressivism") and Trotskyism ("neoconservatism").


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 23, 2014, 03:40:03 AM
Results here so far: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/vote2014/england-council-election-results (http://www.bbc.com/news/events/vote2014/england-council-election-results)

UKIP up 80 seats and counting!!!


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2014, 04:16:12 AM
Results here so far: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/vote2014/england-council-election-results (http://www.bbc.com/news/events/vote2014/england-council-election-results)

UKIP up 80 seats and counting!!!

Still much lower than the seats won by Labour and Conservatives. I fear that the UKIP remains relevant only in the European elections. They need to perform better in the national and local elections as well.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 23, 2014, 01:51:03 PM
It is nice to see that right-leaning parties such as UKIP are going to do well this election.  Here in the US we are limited to choosing between Maoism ("progressivism") and Trotskyism ("neoconservatism").
If you're talking about Democrats and Republicans, I think you'll find they're both decidedly right wing compared to political parties elsewhere in the world.  Your choices are actually far more limited than they might appear.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/us2012.php

Looking at that, there's hardly anything between Obama and Romney.  Your other candidates are a little more broadly spread across the spectrum in their views, though.  But of course, being the US, independent and third party candidates may as well not exist for all practical purposes.  The UK isn't much better in that respect, though.

As for it being "nice" to see UKIP do well, I'll have to disagree.  Scapegoating minorities and blaming them for all your economic problems is the kind of backwards thinking that we, as a species, should have been able to move past by now.  That sort of BS should have ended with WW2.  UKIP are disgusting, vile creatures.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 23, 2014, 02:00:44 PM
Not a big fan of the Golden Dawn.... but don't understad what is the role of ADL and Abe Foxman here.

ADL’s Foxman calls on Greeks to reject Golden Dawn

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/ADLs-Foxman-calls-on-Greeks-to-reject-Golden-Dawn-352710


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: dj213 on May 25, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
Not to cry those who did not vote for salaries, pensions or if takes them away home, the IRS for two euros. They have no rights because they believe, that by not voting, and keep " face " to politicians punished them . It is exactly what the government wished.
 
In 43.11 % was the percentage of participation in elections throughout the European Union , as announced by the European Parliament.
 
In the 2009 elections the turnout was 43 % , while this is so for the first time since 1979, when the first elections were held , that the participation rate has been slowly increasing.
 
The highest attendance was recorded in Luxembourg with 90 % and lowest in Slovakia with 13% , while 57.4 % was participation in Greece.
 
Details by country participation is as follows ;
 
Greece 57.4 %
Hungary 29.2 %
Ireland 51.2 %
Italy 60 %
Latvia 30%
Lithuania 37.3 %
Luxembourg 90 %
Malta 74.8 %
The Netherlands 37 %
Poland 22.7 %
Portugal 34.5 %
Romania 34.7 %
Slovakia 13%
Croatia 24.3 %
Czech Republic 19.5 %
Cyprus 42.4 %
Denmark 55 %
Estonia 36.4 %
France 43.5 %
Germany 47.9 %
Slovenia 21%
Spain 44.7 %
Sweden 51 %
Britain 36 %


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 01:48:13 AM
Front National emerges as the largest party in France with 25% of the vote, while the ruling Socialists of Francoise Hollande finishes on the third place with just 15% of the vote.

http://referentiel.nouvelobs.com/file/7352896.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 26, 2014, 01:53:58 AM
European elections results 2014: Nigel Farage's Ukip on course to top poll as Europe takes a swing to the right
http://i57.tinypic.com/122g51j.jpg

Ukip likely to beat Labour to first place, with Tories dropping to third for first time ever in a national election.

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Nigel Farage inflicted another body blow on the three main political parties on Sunday night as Ukip scored a stunning victory in the European Parliament elections.

The anti-EU party dramatically built on its success in the local elections in England last Thursday when the results of the Euro poll on the same day were announced. A jubilant Mr Farage hailed the outcome as “an earthquake because never before in the history of British politics has a party seen to be an insurgent party ever topped the polls in a national election.”
The Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats conceded that Ukip would come first. It looked on course to double the 13 seats it won in the last Euro elections in 2009. The Tories, who came first last time with 25 seats, faced the humiliation of dropping to third place for the first time ever in a national election. The Liberal Democrats suffered a disastrous result, conceding that they could lose all 12 of their MEPs, which would increase the grassroots pressure on Nick Clegg to stand down as party leader. Early results suggested the Lib Dems could come an embarrassing fifth behind the Green Party.
Lib Dem fears of a total wipeout were confirmed when they lost their seat in their one-time stronghold of the South West. Sir Graham Watson, president of the Liberal group in the European Parliament, was ousted by the Greens.
After results in six of the 12 regions, Ukip had won 29.2 per cent of the votes (up 12.1 points since the last Euro elections); Labour 24.5 per cent (up 8.8 points); the Tories 23.5 per cent (down 3.5 points); the Greens 7.6 per cent (down 0.5 points) and the Lib Dems 6.8 per cent (down 6.9 points).
Across the EU, nationalist and Eurosceptic parties made big gains amid predictions that they would double their strength in the European Parliament. In France, Marine Le Pen's Front National topped a nationwide poll for the first time in its history, with the anti-immigrant party predicted to take 25 per cent of the vote and win as many as 24 seats in the European Parliament.

Ms Le Pen said France had “shouted loud and clear” that it wanted to be run “by the French, for the French and with the French” and not by “foreign commissioners” in Brussels. Manuel Valls, France’s Socialist Prime Minister, said the victory was “more than a shock, it's an earthquake”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/european-elections-results-2014-sweeping-gains-for-nigel-farages-ukip-deal-further-body-blow-to-main-parties-9434042.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/european-elections-results-2014-sweeping-gains-for-nigel-farages-ukip-deal-further-body-blow-to-main-parties-9434042.html)


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 01:55:26 AM
Results from Austria:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/austria-eu-projection-orf-2.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 01:56:13 AM
Results from Bulgaria:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Bulgaria-mediana-exit-poll.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 01:56:50 AM
Results from Czech Rep:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/eu-czech-rep-exit-polls.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
Results from Denmark:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Epinion-with-seats.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 02:21:37 AM
Results from Germany:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/germany-eu-forecast-fgw-3.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 02:22:08 AM
Results from Greece:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Singular-logic-Official-projection.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: hello_good_sir on May 26, 2014, 03:39:09 AM
If you're talking about Democrats and Republicans, I think you'll find they're both decidedly right wing compared to political parties elsewhere in the world.

That is a common misconception.  If you look at actual policies the US is pretty far left in many ways.  I spent a few days studying this a year or two ago, and the US is to the right of about 3/4 of Western countries, and to the left of about 1/4 of them.

Looking at that, there's hardly anything between Obama and Romney.

I am familiar with the website from which that chart comes, and I don't consider it credible.  How does it decide where to put the center?  It is arbitrary.

I use a non-arbitrary definition:  the status quo is center.  Anyone who wants modernize authority is a leftist, anyone who wants to diversify authority is a rightist.  Anyone who is more of a leftist than Marx is far left, anyone who is more of a rightist than Confucius (the man himself, not his disciples) is far right.

You are correct that Obama and Romney seem to fall pretty close to each other on a left-right spectrum, but the truth is that they are on the left.  This is because they both want to move the status quo to the left.  That is indisputable.  We know that Obama's policies are far left because of his actions on the lumpenprole (people that Marx did not care about).  Romney could have gone pretty far left when he was governor of Massachusetts, but he didn't.  So we can conclude that he (like most Mormons) is only a center leftist.


As for it being "nice" to see UKIP do well, I'll have to disagree.  Scapegoating minorities and blaming them for all your economic problems is the kind of backwards thinking that we, as a species, should have been able to move past by now.  That sort of BS should have ended with WW2.  UKIP are disgusting, vile creatures.

None of the top three parties addresses any of the concerns of the average person.  UKIP not only addresses them, but has decent solutions.  Also "move past by now"?  Do you see the demographic shifts that are happening around you?  How many children does the average Labour supporter have?  How many does the average UKIP have?  I'm guessing that the latter is at least twice the former.  In the US it will only be a couple of generations before we shed the progressives.  They'll be a few of inconsequential weirdos instead of the ruling class.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 03:43:24 AM
Results from Ireland:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ba-exit-poll-ep2014.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: FalconFly on May 26, 2014, 06:25:48 AM

That is a common misconception.  If you look at actual policies the US is pretty far left in many ways.  I spent a few days studying this a year or two ago, and the US is to the right of about 3/4 of Western countries, and to the left of about 1/4 of them.

It's a common misperception to believe there's actually an inch of a difference between democrats and republicans in terms of actual policies that really matter. You could call them "republocrats" just as well.
In the background, they're basically a neocon one-party-system, owned and controlled by exactly the same forces.
All the differences are just propaganda or artificial pseudo-differences to create the illusion of differing principles, divide the people emotionally and infuriate them over meaningless issues.

The US policies combined make it easily one of the most ultra-right-wing extremists on the entire planet, in terms of resulting effects they are literally second to none in that respect.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 09:39:37 AM
Results from the Netherlands:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/nl-exit-poll-eu.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: stompix on May 26, 2014, 10:23:38 AM
European elections results 2014: Nigel Farage's Ukip on course to top poll as Europe takes a swing to the right
http://i57.tinypic.com/122g51j.jpg

Ukip likely to beat Labour to first place, with Tories dropping to third for first time ever in a national election.

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Nigel Farage inflicted another body blow on the three main political parties on Sunday night as Ukip scored a stunning victory in the European Parliament elections.

The anti-EU party dramatically built on its success in the local elections in England last Thursday when the results of the Euro poll on the same day were announced. A jubilant Mr Farage hailed the outcome as “an earthquake because never before in the history of British politics has a party seen to be an insurgent party ever topped the polls in a national election.”

Across the EU, nationalist and Eurosceptic parties made big gains amid predictions that they would double their strength in the European Parliament. In France, Marine Le Pen's Front National topped a nationwide poll for the first time in its history, with the anti-immigrant party predicted to take 25 per cent of the vote and win as many as 24 seats in the European Parliament.

Ms Le Pen said France had “shouted loud and clear” that it wanted to be run “by the French, for the French and with the French” and not by “foreign commissioners” in Brussels. Manuel Valls, France’s Socialist Prime Minister, said the victory was “more than a shock, it's an earthquake”.

Isn't it ironic that the anti-eu party is running in an EU parliament election?
Reading through all the uk politicians have to say , looking at how "close" they are to Europe , I wonder , why are they still members of the EU.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 26, 2014, 10:34:45 AM
I am familiar with the website from which that chart comes, and I don't consider it credible.  How does it decide where to put the center?  It is arbitrary.

I use a non-arbitrary definition:  the status quo is center.  Anyone who wants modernize authority is a leftist, anyone who wants to diversify authority is a rightist.  Anyone who is more of a leftist than Marx is far left, anyone who is more of a rightist than Confucius (the man himself, not his disciples) is far right.

You are correct that Obama and Romney seem to fall pretty close to each other on a left-right spectrum, but the truth is that they are on the left.  This is because they both want to move the status quo to the left.  That is indisputable.  We know that Obama's policies are far left because of his actions on the lumpenprole (people that Marx did not care about).  Romney could have gone pretty far left when he was governor of Massachusetts, but he didn't.  So we can conclude that he (like most Mormons) is only a center leftist.

And I suppose the fact that by doing that, you get to move the goalposts every few years and redefine where the centre lies is just a fortunate coincidence?  No thanks.  If governance takes a sudden swing to the right, you can't just turn around and say "actually that's the new centre now" and anyone who's left of the old centre somehow just got more extremist even though their views haven't changed.  Nice try, though.


As for it being "nice" to see UKIP do well, I'll have to disagree.  Scapegoating minorities and blaming them for all your economic problems is the kind of backwards thinking that we, as a species, should have been able to move past by now.  That sort of BS should have ended with WW2.  UKIP are disgusting, vile creatures.

None of the top three parties addresses any of the concerns of the average person.  UKIP not only addresses them, but has decent solutions.  Also "move past by now"?  Do you see the demographic shifts that are happening around you?  How many children does the average Labour supporter have?  How many does the average UKIP have?  I'm guessing that the latter is at least twice the former.  In the US it will only be a couple of generations before we shed the progressives.  They'll be a few of inconsequential weirdos instead of the ruling class.

Their concerns are simply misplaced.  People buying into a farcical fear campaign because they're gullible and afraid doesn't make their views justified or in any way realistic.  If anyone voted UKIP because they genuinely believe people who have committed no other crime than being born within different arbitrarily drawn lines on the map will somehow destroy the country by coming here, then I'm sorry, but I think they've been manipulated.  Having less people coming from abroad won't miraculously fix any problems, so actually, no, UKIP don't have any "decent solutions".  Anyone who thinks it will change anything for the better is, quite frankly, broken in the head and in denial about the fact that their view boils down to the simple fact that they're scared of the boogeyman and the current boogeyman of choice is foreign people.  It's pathetic.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 26, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Results from Poland:

http://metapolls.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Poland-ipsos-exit-poll.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: Nemo1024 on May 27, 2014, 12:54:09 PM
“Saving” Ukraine? What a joke. The EU cannot even save itself.

I just read the Op-Edge on RT, which in part covers the EU election.
http://rt.com/op-edge/161664-elections-in-eu-ukraine/

Scroll down to "What a mess" section of the article. :)


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: neighborrr on May 27, 2014, 01:55:20 PM
As usual it was just a parade of scammers. I spoiled my vote!


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 11:58:02 AM
As usual it was just a parade of scammers. I spoiled my vote!

Rather than wasting your vote, you should have voiced your dissent by voting for any of the anti-establishment parties (far-right, far-left or even parties such as the Pirates).


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DVFree on May 29, 2014, 03:31:57 AM
As usual it was just a parade of scammers. I spoiled my vote!

Rather than wasting your vote, you should have voiced your dissent by voting for any of the anti-establishment parties (far-right, far-left or even parties such as the Pirates).
I'd vote for the Pirate party if it didn't get involved with the Greens who in my perception are just environmentally friendly capitalists. Ended up voting for the Socialist Party (GUE-NGL). But I wouldn't say there's anything like a wasted vote, the system is rigged anyway. Much better to be an active citizen daily and exercise your political power along with your co-citizens than participate in this faded republic.


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 30, 2014, 01:38:14 PM
Some people never stop complaining.  ;D

French students in anti-National Front rallies

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27629603


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: elliwilli on May 30, 2014, 01:42:19 PM
UKIP are a bunch of racists pretending not to be, its shocking and some of their ideologies are quite fascist, its quite unsettling to see them to have won in the UK...


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: DooMAD on May 30, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
UKIP are a bunch of racists pretending not to be, its shocking and some of their ideologies are quite fascist, its quite unsettling to see them to have won in the UK...

But on the plus side, they're not very good at holding on to their seats as a party.  Granted, this was for the local elections rather than the European one, but it's still indicative of their overall stupidity:

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It’s taken just five days for one of UKIP’s new Councillors to find themselves at the centre of a row - with Redditch Councillor Dave Small accused of sickening racist and homophobic comments on Facebook.  Barely literate comments attributed to him, include branding African migrants “scroungers” and Elton John and Clare Balding “perverts”.

Yesterday UKIP expelled Mr Small for these comments (and rightly so), however it does raise concerns about what types of people have found their way into the UKIP party? In many cases these undesirables receive a large amount of 'protest votes at the current government', by people who genuinely want to see positive change in the UK. It's a shame that many of these UKIP voters whom actually support left wing policies (such as re-nationalising the railways, NHS and energy firms, more money and control for local authorities, better support and funding for education...etc) but instead vote for a party that's even more right-wing than the Conservatives.

So imagine you've now voted in a new council member, only to find out they harbour extremely racist and homophobic views, (not to mention substandard grammar). We would expect you to be feeling pretty cheated right now if you spent your vote on this guy.

How long do you reckon it'll be before we hear of more racist, fascist, homophobic and anti- immigration rhetoric coming from the UKIP camp? We expect the stories to come thick and fast - which so far they have done, especially since the mainstream media has focused its attention on tax dodging racist hypocrite Nigel Farage - and his band of eugenics supporting, gay hating merry madmen.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10365915_767819969918554_4979881197641352794_n.jpg


Title: Re: European Parliament election, 2014
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 30, 2014, 02:52:09 PM
UKIP are a bunch of racists pretending not to be, its shocking and some of their ideologies are quite fascist, its quite unsettling to see them to have won in the UK...

UKIP are just a bunch of conservatives, who just happens to be Eurosceptic. They have destroyed all the nationalist parties in the UK, including the British National Party.