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User: coaltin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527094.msg65428756#msg65428756

This is a clear merit abuse.
Mastercon sent merit to his alt account and below is the proof.

coaltin owns 1DDjnKAn1Vq273JScK7KDWcq5wDEjuDVQ5 and according to wallet explorer (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Poloniex.com?from_address=1DDjnKAn1Vq273JScK7KDWcq5wDEjuDVQ5), the address is a deposit address on Poloniex.
Mastercon owns bc1qlm68jjll97lpyy48hecnhfy34dw0tqm6ycq8zr and made this transaction (https://mempool.space/tx/207f9a30dda50127eb5de526941b2781e280d8bfa8f729e4c65eb19ffce64909) to the above address to make a deposit in Poloniex.


Proof of addresses:

His alt account got red tags but still he sent merits to that alt account. All account farmers retard to some extent? This is clear case of stupidity because what one would get by sending merits to a red tagged account which can't even enroll in signature campaigns as no campaign manager is going to accept such accounts.

Probably tying to troll around. Even if he sends 100 sMerits to is alt account. It's already tagged so he is somehow wasting time as any sane campaign manager may never enroll it in any signature campaign.
If he thinks that he will also use the alt to gather some merits and then send them out to other alt accounts, he will still be caught

Nutildah also uncovered another of Mastercon's alt accounts which happens to also send merits to coaltin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5335270.msg65428902#msg65428902
I don't think it'[s a coincidence.

But he is also ruining Mastercon's reputation which in now enrolled in a signature campaign.

The user is really a shit poster and I had noticed that for the past few days. (More information in ABCbits' post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482297.msg65432782#msg65432782))


So, all the three accounts (Mastercon, rsarkar and coaltin) are owned by the same person and they are all involved in abusing the merit system.

While we're on rhetorical questions: Is it worth creating an alt-account just to post this? Both users involved are on my Ignore list already.

Creating alts just for the sake of an attack, to keep your main account out of the way and be cool has always come with mixed feelings with me. The forum is filled with these kind of accounts and it highlights just how several accounts are created and dumped after a short purposeful theme. You’ll be sure to find them create another just when the need arises and then, they dump them yet again.

However, 5merits to an application, that doesn’t just highlight the application but, raises a lot of eyebrows as their are many same sane applications that got nothing. Now we know why!

@OP could be targeted with the same way, probably he also own alt accounts or there were few of his merited posts are questionable. Honestly this thread isn't worth for discussion, I mean like, yeah it's merit abuse, then what?

Either the sender and receiver won't get red tag just because of merit abuse, it's different if @OP bring something like a connection of two accounts and evidence if they're cheating.

Sometimes the creation of alts can have a normal reason, when the user presents controversial evidence, fearing for his main account, which, as you know, also comes under scrutiny. But this case is simply not worth paying attention to.
Coaltin received merits from Masterson twice. Instead of wasting time on creating an account, can watch the further actions of these accounts, as they can be more interesting than transferring merits.

Definitely not. It doesn’t contribute to the forum.

It is even just considered as bump post since it’s use is to apply and bump the service thread.

Merit is not moderated so we can’t do anything about it rather just informed manager for merit abused through neutral feedback.

5 Merit won't change much, especially since neither account is a merit source.
Frankly, there is no need to create more Merit topics unless the offense with +20 Merits.

When looking the account history of the member that received the merits along with the account history of the member that sent them, I think most members would agree this is a clear case of merit abuse. Both accounts have been tagged therefore should not have any long term future in the forum.

Having said that, the sender of the merits is enrolled in a campaign therefore as long as he is enrolled in campaigns he will continue to be active here.

You seem kinda different in this thread. I see that usually when someone asks questions like they should have posted that from the main account, you defend the thread creator and post something like the ones I quoted below.


You have mentioned this post of theymos 11 times in your forum life. I assume this is the first time you are asking if it is worth creating an alt-account to post it. So, I would like to quote theymos for you  :D

After his account resurrected on the 5th of February of this year, there hasn't been much activity done by this user and looking at the post that earned him that number of merits would just tell you what you need to know; it's merit abuse and this Mastercon sent 2 merits to this account for yet another seemingly bland response  here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5544439.msg65428759#msg65428759) and even though the gifting of merit is based on the individual doing the giving, this one still doesn't count.

Should due punishment not be served since according to the other users that feel it's an alt account of Mastercon, he gave merits to an already red tagged account. Is it not a case of ban evasion or something?

I have red tagged accounts Mastercon, bitterbit and rsarkar based on connections made in this thread by hosemary and JeromeTash. The other two accounts are also alts of Mastercon as pointed out in my post referenced by JeromeTash. I could not believe the arrogance of Mastercon in response to his recent loan application (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg65425243#msg65425243) being denied by shasan. He clearly exhibits the pathological absence of manners or remorse that is typical of professional scammers. Hope he gets removed from his campaign tbh.

He is punished now so it doesn't matter anymore. If he has an issue with the red tag, he can come in here and explain himself. The admins don't intervene in scams here and IMO, but the community steps in and moderates scammers themselves. Cheaters never win IMO.

That's merit abuse and the owner of the account is trying to cheat the system and it's prohibited for doing that, how can you use your Smerit and your alt, that means the person doesn't want a circulation of merit across the forum, and what causes this kind of a thing is greediness, for me it's totally merit abused, and both accounts is being linked up and that's why it was visible that the both accounts belong to one user if I'm not mistaken, for me people have to know that meriting your account your alt is cheating, let them know now.

Lol, you counted? :P
I wouldn't say pointing out obvious Merit abuse is controversial, so that wouldn't be something I'd create an alt-account for.

Some people fear discussing these topics. Probably they are less experienced. I wouldn't fear talking about these things. However, as you can see, some people with Member or Full Member rank who lack sufficient forum background may think that creating this type of topic could bring unwanted attention to their account. So, they choose to create an account, say it from their alternative account. I have nothing against them. I often see people tell them that they should have some balls to talk from their main account. But I think I have seen people who accused someone of doing something, later they got tagged or exposed for doing some shitty things.

A thief hardly owns up to his crimes or come ups up to defend himself except it's a very good one who knows how to clean up his tracks so I doubt that he'd be confident to do that because evidence has piled up against him and it's a good thing that he has been properly handled. The annoying thing is that this sort of punishment will not stop them from creating more accounts.

I'm not against those user nor being jealous, no issue with them regarding they've received tons of merits for their posts even if they seem geneic| I'm just trying to understand whether the posts were made by them totally merit worthy or not.

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I'm sharing here some of the those posts where users recieved a tons of merits in generic comments.

1)The op received 20 merits by one user in this quoted thread.
2) Another user received 15 merits in this quoted thread of op with that previous merit sender.
3) Same user received again 10 merits from previous sende.
Was it really a worthy post or not?

Thank You.

Honestly, no.

But, gambling board is one of board who lack of merit, which mean there should be more merit sources who give merit in that board. So I can't really give any comment, maybe as time goes, he will decrease the amount of smerit he gave.

I'VE REPORTED THIS ISSUE TO THE RELEVANT THREAD, BUT IT'S DISGUSTING TO SEE THAT EVERYONE IS TOO PUSSY TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST SwC Poker's signature campaign. Everyone is willing to admit that those accounts are spammers and frauds, but NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO REPORT THEM DIRECTLY TO THE CAMPAIGN. I've taken it upon myself to report this issue, since apparently I'm the only one with the courage to do so.

I do casually come across campaign applications that are merited and I always wonder what is so special in such applications. However, they're mostly one or two merits and they're mostly from reputable members but this particular one is beyond wonder. Five whole merits for application of a senior member is weird.

In as much as the forum doesn't regulate the giving of merit, at least, there are guidelines in issuing out merits. There's no much to discuss again since it is obvious the accounts involved are alts and some already received the appropriate tag. The handler was probably carried way because no sane person would endangered accounts for just five merits.

Tbh I also wondered why I got that many merits for a pretty simple post, and I observed that the guy who merited (Julien_Olynpic) was on a generous merit spree that day in gambling discussion board (https://talkimg.com/image/Udn8gc).


I always thought that the applications that are merited especially by reputed members are kind of recommendation for BM to hire that applicant.

Apparently, you don't have the courage to do so cause if you did, you wouldn't have needed to use your alt to come and make these statements. True, Mastercon defaulted some of the rules and the necessary punishment has been given to him but you on the other hand seem to have a personal beef with SwC which is as result of fraud as you claim. You've reported the matter, did you drop proof? If yes then focus your energy on something else because all these things you're doing now; writing in all caps just makes you look noisy.

Tagging the accounts was the appropriate course of action. I also have tagged the Mastercon, bitterbit, coaltin and rsarkar accounts and ~distrusted them. If the scammer has other accounts he is keeping them away from public eyes (for now at least).

Why, though? It doesn't really matter... your displeasure in how the posts got merits will not really affect anything. Complaining about merits given to accounts shouldn't be the sole basis for opening a thread. Instead, merit transfer information should be used to help solidify cases against potentially scammy accounts, in conjunction with other evidence. It is very rare that any type of action is taken against account solely because of their merit distribution habits.

Merit transactions should definitely be tracked and which user is giving merit to whom is definitely a matter of analysis. Because here many people are abusing merit and doing business of selling accounts by creating multiple accounts, while many people are working with multiple accounts in signature campaigns which is against the rules of the campaign.

According to the rules of the Signature Campaign, if someone has a small lack of merit due to the requirement of having 120 days of merit, then at that time they trade merit from their account in low quality posts or POA posts. Although a campaign manager understands these and does not accept them in the campaign. But what they are doing is completely against the rules of the forum. So they deserve to get the tag

Stop tagging my account username