Title: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: seoincorporation on June 12, 2025, 02:28:11 AM I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. And it takes some time for the forum to detect the AI posts. But since i get busted is time to share my experience and the knowledge, that way we can build better tools for the AI detection.
First of all i want to introduce my self to explain my AI experience. I work for a travel company that is in a automatization and AI integration process and I'm the project leader, i have done some bot with AI for Telegram, WhatsApp, Site Chats, and phone agents. This with the focus of customer service and sales. The tool that i used is n8n, and my agent looks like this: I used AI to generate the prompt that will make the bot post like me, i feed some of my past post and the prompt generated was the next one. Code: Here is the translated prompt: This way, each time i post in the chat a forum topic/answer, my bot gives me an answer with my style. And then i get busted on June 9 by Dark.Look and memehunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg65467361#msg65467361 and what happened next was a massive delete of my post by a mod. I would say it was fair enough, and I'm here making this post because I know there are consequences for the way I act. I have already sent a message to the signature campaign manager and want to apologise to some of you who may have been offended. but i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win. My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection, a prompt that takes all my spelling mistakes and adopt it as style and with that the AI bust tools will have real troubles. But i will not do it, i already play with fire and is time to stop. My point here is, we have to ask to ourselves: Can we win the war against AI? If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating? If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating? If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum? I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and how some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion? This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users. The fact that we use tools like Copyleaks, GPTZero, Sapling.ai, and Quillbot is not guarantee that we are protected, because the ones who decide to implement AI have access to these tools to, and they could work on their post until get something lower than 50% and the make the post. So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. Because that's another interesting point, what happen with those users that aren't 100% bot or 100% human? those who decide to fusion with the machine on a cyberpunk style? So, this is what i have learned and wanted to share with you guys, and I'm ready for the consequences, if you want to ban me or burn my reputation for this experiment, do it. I was totally conscious of what i was doing and enjoyed the experiment. Some users that could be interested in this post: Dark.Look memehunter Lucius lovesmayfamilis nutildah Little Mouse theymos Cyrus hilariousandco Welsh Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Solodoski on June 12, 2025, 02:56:25 AM Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized?
Wow this is new Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 12, 2025, 03:18:48 AM My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection, Really? Can you prove that? I say this because if you can do it yourself I don't think it will take long for the technology to be available to everyone. I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, That's the whole problem with AI on the forum. So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. How reliable can that be? Can't it give false positives? Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized? Wow this is new As long as you make it explicit you can. For example: you quote what the IA says instead of passing it as your own. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on June 12, 2025, 03:23:48 AM Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized? The OP -was- penalized: their posts were deleted.Wow this is new Now if the OP continues to use fully AI generated replies or new topics, that is when sterner response by the mods will happen. It also needs to be pointed out (again) that the Forum does very little automatic scanning of posts (mainly looking for things like gift card scams) - most of the time it is us Forum users who flag and report posts to the mods who then review them and act accordingly. As for: Quote If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating? No. Using a spell checker is perfectly fine and is in fact encouraged as it is also a learning tool.Quote If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating? Yes that is wrong. A reply should be entirely in your own words (aside from quoted content that also has links to their source) and be entirely based on what the poster knows or believes - NOT what some AI program has glomed together as a reply. Don't be afraid of 'getting it wrong' or not being able to properly articulate your thoughts: Most folks here will understand you and if you post questionable/wrong information they will simply correct you. The Forum is a place for learning.Quote If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum? If by image you mean a picture - that is fine. If you mean using AI to generate the initial topic for a business announcement I'd be good with that. Using it to generate a new topic for general discussion - no.Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: nutildah on June 12, 2025, 03:25:15 AM This way, each time i post in the chat a forum topic/answer, my bot gives me an answer with my style. Its not "your style" though, its AI's style, which is why your posts were detected by AI detectors. but i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win. Uh... pretty obviously we can win it as all your posts were deleted... A giant waste of your time & everyone else's IMO. My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection, a prompt that takes all my spelling mistakes and adopt it as style and with that the AI bust tools will have real troubles. I'm not sure you can make a prompt that avoids detection. There's no such thing as a "humanized" prompt, because all the output is coming from a machine. Its AI doing what it thinks are "human things," which is what it was doing anyway. You will have to manually make changes to the output to evade the detectors. Can we win the war against AI? What would Sarah Connor do? If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating? Why not just use a normal spellcheck tool? The difference is AI tends to do more than correct spelling errors; it completely transforms the wording of posts, removing what makes them human and replacing it with a cookie cutter style that is easily noticeable by those who know what to look for. If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating? This happens all the time, and these posts are frequently removed by moderators. It doesn't really matter whether its "cheating" or not. If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum? One thing I've noticed is that services / coins that rely on AI to write their ANNs for them tend not to get deleted. And that's fine -- its up to the reader whether or not they want to use a product made by someone too lazy or verbally incompetent to use their own words to describe it. As far as images are concerned, its totally fine IMO, so long as you aren't saying "I made this by myself," as is being inferred when people post straight AI output without crediting it. I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion? No, because AI will never help a shitpost become more than a shitpost. It will never increase the IQ of a post. It is just repackaging spammy content in an extremely formulaic way, so I'd argue its worse than a regular shitpost. This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users. That much is true. The fact that we use tools like Copyleaks, GPTZero, Sapling.ai, and Quillbot is not guarantee that we are protected, because the ones who decide to implement AI have access to these tools to, and they could work on their post until get something lower than 50% and the make the post. Yes but shitposters don't really do that because if it takes more time than writing a regular shitpost, then it defeats the purpose of using AI in the first place, which is to crank out shitposts as quickly as possible. So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. I'd say using an automated anything is not the way to go about it. It all comes down to whether the moderators decide something is "spam" or not. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Amphenomenon on June 12, 2025, 03:49:55 AM My point here is, we have to ask to ourselves: This is not really a war against Ai per say, rather just guidelines for managing Ai, which is necessary for intellectual growth to continue. Can we win the war against AI? If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating? If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating? If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum? The first question is understandable, it is like you are using any grammar assistance which even in the current time as integrated Ai for better service. The second is a no, solely dependency on Ai is cheating, where does intellectual property stands here?. The third is basically up to the casino themselves, if they are using this in their casino, I think it may be okay but don't forget there maybe general guidelines casino has to follow for their start up. Although, if this is used only in our forum then I think it would still be deleted. Sometimes, casino platforms that join the forum are aware about the rule (either been informed by someone or has gone through the forum rule) or they learn the other way round when their post is deleted. I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion? Intellectual posts from an individual is different from that of Ai, like in academy settings AI are flagged negative when individuals are solely reliant in it and this forum doesn't support this. How one improve their cognitive skills if they are solely reliant on Ai? That is a downtrend for human reasoning. This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users. The fact that we use tools like Copyleaks, GPTZero, Sapling.ai, and Quillbot is not guarantee that we are protected, because the ones who decide to implement AI have access to these tools to, and they could work on their post until get something lower than 50% and the make the post. So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. Similarly, just as how these are used to improved Ai and it's the same way these Ai are used to improve Ai detectors. It's in a constant loop of how scam and anti-scam process goes. Scammer finds a new exploit to steal, cybersecurity experts finds these flaws and how to protect users. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: LoyceV on June 12, 2025, 05:50:50 AM So you're just another spammer.
I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. Thousands of users have been doing that, and it's very annoying! It's a waste of everyone's time, and posting chatbot verbal diarrhea as your own is plagiarism by definition.That's no way to treat a community! Quote understand that this is a fight that we can't win. There is no "we" if you join the spammers.Quote Can we win the war against AI? All I can do is one neutral feedback at a time. You've earned yours!Quote if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion? I don't care about your casino promotion, this should be about Bitcointalk.Quote if you want to ban me or burn my reputation Lol. You don't get it, do you? You burned your reputation!Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: NotATether on June 12, 2025, 07:07:04 AM It's just one neutral, I wouldn't look too much into it. All is done and dusted anyway.
My spam detection prototype for my search engine is tripping (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5536692.msg65471805#msg65471805) over AI-generated posts like crazy, though. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 12, 2025, 08:25:19 AM It's just one neutral, I wouldn't look too much into it. That neutral is not just anyone's, I think it carries a lot more weight than others. And it's also not clear if the OP is going to get more tags. I don't think the OP's experiment is all bad, but one would think that if he hadn't been caught he would have continued publishing with his AI agent indefinitely. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: ABCbits on June 12, 2025, 09:15:16 AM I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. And it takes some time for the forum to detect the AI posts. But since i get busted is time to share my experience and the knowledge, that way we can build better tools for the AI detection. 1. You could just read partial or entire of AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0), rather than doing this experiment. 2. A real engineer have done that long time (before ChatGPT exist) and not detected. See this blog post, https://maraoz.com/openai-gpt3/ (https://maraoz.com/openai-gpt3/). 3. If you just want to see how far it can go, i would recommend you to check these users who received lots of neutral feedback. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3700406 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3700406) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3530138 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3530138) So IMO your experiment have very little value or interesting outcome. So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. 1. Who wants to build such automated process/system? 2. Who will pay for operation cost of such automated process/system? Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: TheUltraElite on June 12, 2025, 09:44:25 AM Bruh what are you trying to do here? Trying to get sympathy for those who are using AI to create replies and your logic is that one day AI will do all this?
I cant sympathize with you for that, those who put in their effort to read, understand and write these posts deserve more respect. If you were just going to experiment, you could have used an alt account intended specifically for this purpose or declare it before you start. Not like shoot first ask questions later - you have to face consequences then. You can always find me supporting tech projects, your casino development for example, but this type of things put me off. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: memehunter on June 12, 2025, 09:57:43 AM I somehow believed your 'daring experiment' theory. You said that your results will help us to prevent AI spam. Now it seems like (after reading all BS in the OP) this is just another lazy signature spam. I even doubt that you have made any automation at all. Now here is what I think happened,
You were spamming AI garbage in the local section for a very long time (local language sections are still kind of untouched by AI detection) then you tried that in the global section and since you have been here for so long, nobody noticed anything. You did not reply to the first report (as you have not got any neutral for that), it was only when I tagged you came up with this crazy story. You also gave us some merits (bribe). You have very little merit in sending history (which is obvious because you are not interacting here) but suddenly you gave 20 merits, This is what happens when you actually interact (you send merits lol). You have not informed your CM and staff beforehand of your experiment. You accepted the signature payment and after reading your BS I am convinced that removing neutral was not a good idea (well, actually it was, since you now got neutral from a more reputed member ;D). I will also reinstate my neutral now as I think your experiment theory is bullshit. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Lucius on June 12, 2025, 10:30:34 AM It's not nice to see an old member resorting to these methods, and only reacting when he gets tagged and his posts are deleted. There may be some truth to his explanation for why he did it, but the fact that he didn't inform anyone in advance, and that he participated in the sig campaign at that time definitely doesn't work in his favor.
I know there have been other cases where Legendary members have been caught in the act of using AI for their posts, but mostly they claimed it was the result of using certain online translators or spell checkers. @nutildah has written about this in his AI topic several times, and the point is that many of these tools today use AI, and that instead of corrections, they actually add content that can then be detected as AI. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Ambatman on June 12, 2025, 11:04:27 AM As my boss usually says about late coming, "Any reason given after the supposed deadline is an excuse "
Same applies to this. Many are going to consider it an excuse even if what you just said is true. It wouldn't hurt to have atleast inform someone like your campaign manager about your plan Especially since you are on a contract where such habit isn't taken lightly. Quote I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days 3 Days is enough for an experiment. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: bitmover on June 12, 2025, 11:30:37 AM So you're just another spammer. I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. Thousands of users have been doing that, and it's very annoying! It's a waste of everyone's time, and posting chatbot verbal diarrhea as your own is plagiarism by definition.That's no way to treat a community! Uh... pretty obviously we can win it as all your posts were deleted... A giant waste of your time & everyone else's IMO. This is a tremendous waste of time, and since the user is filling signature campaign posts quota, this is wrong with the community. Why not create a new account to do such experiment? Maybe if OP had talked to the mods or admin beforehand, it would have made the experiment a little better. As OP was detected because admin/mods had already tested such AI detection tool, this is precisely the reason why it worked. No real experiment was conducted that hasn't been done before. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: notocactus on June 12, 2025, 04:08:59 PM In the past, there were discussions on whether using images without sources can be considered as plagiarism that has permanent ban as its consequence. The answer from theymos or a moderator is not, at last at the time he answered it and this approach has been appling till today.
icopress had his PMs with a global moderator and got similar answers. Thank you all for your answers, I think the discussion of this issue has been exhausted. / Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator). Quote Quote from: icopress 33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images? Quote from: mprep AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images. Quote from: icopress Thank you, can I quote you? Quote from: mprep Feel free. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: dkbit98 on June 12, 2025, 08:03:21 PM OP you should be lucky that you didn't get banned for doing stuff like this, it is borderline plagiarism for me.
It's one thing to perform testing with some bot, and it's totally different to test how other members will react to your AI generated posts. Mission Ruined Reputation completed. :P Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: KingsDen on June 12, 2025, 09:15:20 PM Op, don't you think that wearing a paid signature to conduct your alleged experiment is unethical or cheating? You do not contribute to the community, but rather trained an AI to write on your behalf and you getting paid weekly?
Your experiment would have been sane if you were not getting paid. For your question of if we can win this AI war. I do not think we can win it. But I am sure something will have to happen in the nearest future. AI will be so abundant in the forum to the extent that human written conversations will be scarce. By this time, campaign managers will have to scan the whole profile of any user in order to be able to hire anyone whose profile is 95 to 100% human written. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: The Cryptovator on June 12, 2025, 09:45:47 PM Some kind of experiment should avoid that possibly ruin your reputation, and that's what happened. Besides being signature participants, your account also could be banned by admins. You should run this experiment when you aren't in any signature. Even I was caught when I used ChatGPT for grammar and spelling corrections. Actually, the prompt was about rewriting it professionally, so I realised this is not correct what I did. Even I wasn't doing it intentionally; otherwise, I could humanise the sentence. So actually you did wrong too.
However, using a bot to create posts, especially when you are on a signature campaign, isn't welcomed by forum users anymore. Currently I have been using QuillBot to correct my grammar only. It doesn't change any words or sentences. You just ruined your reputation. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: vapourminer on June 12, 2025, 09:57:14 PM you did this and youre in a paid sig campaign?
congratulations on ruining any respect or integrity you may of had on this forum Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Findingnemo on June 12, 2025, 10:23:48 PM Your story doesn't make sense to me because an admin or a mod doesn't identify the plagiarism or AI-generated content on their own or using any tools, it's identified by the community and reported via the report to mod button or in the dedicated threads.
You are lucky that you got away with only a post deletion. But what you made it clear that you cheated in the campaign to create posts that were paid using an AI tool, IMO the manager can tag you for that if he feels that comes under cheating. ::) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: uchegod-21 on June 12, 2025, 11:18:39 PM If you were not caught, when where you planning to tell the community about your experiment?
Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: seoincorporation on June 13, 2025, 02:36:07 AM My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection, Really? Can you prove that? I say this because if you can do it yourself I don't think it will take long for the technology to be available to everyone. Yes, it can be done, there are even tools to humanize ai generated content as you can see in the next image Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized? The OP -was- penalized: their posts were deleted.Wow this is new Now if the OP continues to use fully AI generated replies or new topics, that is when sterner response by the mods will happen. It also needs to be pointed out (again) that the Forum does very little automatic scanning of posts (mainly looking for things like gift card scams) - most of the time it is us Forum users who flag and report posts to the mods who then review them and act accordingly. That's right, i feel like the forum needs to implement some some tools, we could take the post by RSS and send them to a filter for AI verification and scams detection. This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users. That much is true. Good to know that you are conscious that we have a current problem with AI. Quote understand that this is a fight that we can't win. There is no "we" if you join the spammers.I'm creating conscious of the problem and trying to find a way where the community can work together to fix this AI problem for the forum, because it will grow, i know the way i did it wasn't the right way but you can be I haven't move to the dark side, as i told before i will not use AI again on the forum, you can be sure of that. It's just one neutral, I wouldn't look too much into it. All is done and dusted anyway. My spam detection prototype for my search engine is tripping (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5536692.msg65471805#msg65471805) over AI-generated posts like crazy, though. I really like this initiative, we need more users like you NotATether, users who care about bringing solutions. So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. 1. Who wants to build such automated process/system? 2. Who will pay for operation cost of such automated process/system? 1.- Someone who have the knowledge and the time to do it. 2.- The operational cost is really low, n8n is free if we run it in our server, and chatGPT offers 1000 tokens for $0.15 Bruh what are you trying to do here? Trying to get sympathy for those who are using AI to create replies and your logic is that one day AI will do all this? I'm trying to show to the community where we are about AI, we should take it serious because this thing is going fast, and it will become a real problem for the future, we must be ready for that or AI will kill the forum. I will also reinstate my neutral now as I think your experiment theory is bullshit. I totally understand it, and i will not allegate against that, sorry for the bad time i give to you and to the community. It's not nice to see an old member resorting to these methods, and only reacting when he gets tagged and his posts are deleted. There may be some truth to his explanation for why he did it, but the fact that he didn't inform anyone in advance, and that he participated in the sig campaign at that time definitely doesn't work in his favor. Hey Lucius, i should inform, you are right with that, but the result wouldn't be the same. I had to try it this way to understand where we are against AI. For your question of if we can win this AI war. I do not think we can win it. But I am sure something will have to happen in the nearest future. AI will be so abundant in the forum to the extent that human written conversations will be scarce. By this time, campaign managers will have to scan the whole profile of any user in order to be able to hire anyone whose profile is 95 to 100% human written. You got the point KingsDen, but the nearest future is closer than what we all think. congratulations on ruining any respect or integrity you may of had on this forum For me this forum isn't about respect or integrity, is about knowledge, i have learned a lot from the people on this forum and always shared my knowledge. Your story doesn't make sense to me because an admin or a mod doesn't identify the plagiarism or AI-generated content on their own or using any tools, it's identified by the community and reported via the report to mod button or in the dedicated threads. And you think that's right? is the users job to patrol the forum for AI, Scams and Spammers? That's a cool way to help the community, but we could implement tools for that. That could be a machine job. If you were not caught, when where you planning to tell the community about your experiment? There was no way that i didn't get caught, i was expecting to get caught by the forum staff. ------------------------------------------ So, i try to answer some of your questions, sorry that i didn't before but was busy as hell. I will not complain about the neutral feedback, i deserve them, i know i wake up the users awareness about AI and i'm happy with that result because we are on a evolution process where things are getting atomatized, you all will find bots everywhere and very soon, WhatsApp, telegram, socialnetworks, forums... all will get filled with bots, is something that we can't fight against. If you can't beat the enemy, join him. Because the only way to do something about AI is by understanding it and knowing how it works, and what its scope is. If the forum staff want's some help to implement AI bots for post review i'm open to help. So, we all have learned a lesson from this, if you guys are ready to move on let's do it. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: nutildah on June 13, 2025, 03:04:04 AM Good to know that you are conscious that we have a current problem with AI. Bro I don't know how you could have possibly missed this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0), unless you literally haven't visited the Reputation section in 2 years. I also had a pretty lengthy thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448111.0) about the topic in Meta, which was followed by countless threads addressing AI use on the forum. I'm creating conscious of the problem and trying to find a way where the community can work together to fix this AI problem for the forum, because it will grow, i know the way i did it wasn't the right way but you can be I haven't move to the dark side, as i told before i will not use AI again on the forum, you can be sure of that. Trust me, we're plenty conscious of it, and its been debated in a dozen different ways. Although as AI evolves I'm sure more debate of it will be warranted. As for whether or not "the war against AI" can be "won," who really cares. We should all be on the same page of trying to keep the forum as human as possible. This is first and foremost a discussion forum, meant for humans to discuss topics with one another. You have bot sanctuaries like Twitter and Facebook at your disposal if you want to converse with bots. So far LLM output has added very little value to the forum. It is best reserved for entertainment & stuff like this: I’ve never watched cartoon or animal porn, to be honest, and I still don’t see any pornish characteristics in the image. You made me doubt my sanity, so I had to ask AI Quote No, the logo shown in the image is **not sexualized** by any reasonable standard. It features a cartoon fox riding a bicycle with the text “**FOXPUP'S MERIT CYCLING CLUB**.” The fox and bicycle are illustrated in a simple, playful, and non-provocative style. There's nothing in the imagery, text, or context that suggests sexualization. The design appears to be intended for fun and community identity, likely for a group or initiative on the Bitcointalk forum centered around the sharing or “cycling” of merit points. BTW, that is the proper way to use AI output on the forum, giving credit where its due instead of trying to pretend its your own words. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 13, 2025, 04:16:26 AM Yes, it can be done, there are even tools to humanize ai generated content as you can see in the next image They don't work, or at least they didn't. Some time ago, when I saw these humanizers advertised, I tried a couple of them and they were detected (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498501.msg64155431#msg64155431). Also, the fact that you got caught makes me think they don't work as well as you say. I'm not going to bother to see if they have improved but it seems to me that this is going to be like plagiarism with the internet: when it emerged it made plagiarism easier, but anti-plagiarism tools that detect it also emerged. I don't quite buy your story because of several things that have been mentioned: you have done the alleged experiment with your main account, with the one you charge for signature campaign, and without telling anyone, neither the mods, nor your campaign manager or anything else. You could even have signed a message with a known bitcoin address on the forum saying that this was an experiment before you started. Now, I don't agree with someone like you who has been on the forum for 11 years, using AI for 6 days and being called an AI spammer. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: ABCbits on June 13, 2025, 09:20:21 AM So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas. 1. Who wants to build such automated process/system? 2. Who will pay for operation cost of such automated process/system? 1.- Someone who have the knowledge and the time to do it. 2.- The operational cost is really low, n8n is free if we run it in our server, and chatGPT offers 1000 tokens for $0.15 1. I mean individual or group who will do it. You? Admin? Someone else? 2. How about cost of the server used to run this n8n software/tool? As for cost of chatGPT, it's worth to mention that https://beta.ninjastic.space/ (https://beta.ninjastic.space/) says there are about 106 thousand post created in last month. I don't know average word or token of all created posts, but i don't expect to be cheap. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: ChiBitCTy on June 13, 2025, 10:51:30 AM “ If the new tech isn’t true artificial intelligence, then what is it? In my view, the most accurate way to understand what we are building today is as an innovative form of social collaboration.
A program like OpenAI’s GPT-4, which can write sentences to order, is something like a version of Wikipedia that includes much more data, mashed together using statistics. Programs that create images to order are something like a version of online image search, but with a system for combining the pictures. In both cases, it’s people who have written the text and furnished the images. The new programs mash up work done by human minds. What’s innovative is that the mashup process has become guided and constrained, so that the results are usable and often striking. This is a significant achievement and worth celebrating—but it can be thought of as illuminating previously hidden concordances between human creations, rather than as the invention of a new mind”. - https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/there-is-no-ai I can’t even go shopping for a fn golf putter ( https://rb.gy/j9bvej ) before I see easily a top 3 fallacy/ marketing scheme/scam of our lifetimes. We aren’t even at Quantum yet lol. Seoincorp- take your meds Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: memehunter on June 13, 2025, 10:52:00 AM Now, I don't agree with someone like you who has been on the forum for 11 years, using AI for 6 days and being called an AI spammer. You are again taking the OP's word at face value. It is not only 6 days. (especially when he continued even after being given one warning without a tag). Can OP confirm that we will not find any AI spam before the so-called experimental 6 days? I respect his tenure here but the rules must be the same for everyone. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 13, 2025, 01:30:34 PM You are again taking the OP's word at face value. It is not only 6 days. (especially when he continued even after being given one warning without a tag). Can OP confirm that we will not find any AI spam before the so-called experimental 6 days? I respect his tenure here but the rules must be the same for everyone. Good point. I wouldn't call him that if it has been only 6 days in all his time on the forum but your feedback is probably correct because of the above mentioned: if he wanted to conduct an experiment he had many ways to do it other than sneaking around like in this case, and until he got caught, so we can't know what would have happened if he hadn't been caught. I remember interacting with the user in the past and his posts didn't strike me as IA written. I recall him opening threads testing variants of martingale (lol) in the Gambling Section and another about casino software. There have also been many other cases that in reputation issues have appealed to the seniority and previous reputation in the forum of the user in question. I remember the case of Lightlord, with whom the majority of the forum has no problem and even defends him for being a donator when he constantly demonstrates that leaving your money in his hands is high risk. I take this opportunity to say that if someone wants to carry out an experiment send a PM to me, because I am interested in legitimate uses of AI in the forum, both to improve it and to catch cheaters. If it's like the OP's it won't stop him from getting his posts deleted if he gets caught but at least he'll have a prior witness that it's an experiment. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: nutildah on June 13, 2025, 01:58:34 PM Whether or not it was actually a pre-planned "experiment," I don't know, but I don't really care. I'm all for giving more established users a second chance when it comes to this kind of thing, especially if they swear they're not gonna do it again, which is why I didn't leave a tag.
I can’t even go shopping for a fn golf putter ( https://rb.gy/j9bvej ) before I see easily a top 3 fallacy/ marketing scheme/scam of our lifetimes. We aren’t even at Quantum yet lol. An AI putter, what?? In one of the videos the guy says, "through AI we were able to develop to develop an insert that will leave you 21% closer on missed hits..." so there no actual artificial intelligence in your putt, that's a shame. I was hoping there was a camera and motion sensor on it so it could transform the surface however was necessary to ensure your putt made the ball go in the hole, lol. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: stwenhao on June 13, 2025, 03:36:14 PM Quote if the forum detects the AI Yes.Quote how far a user can go with AI abuse As far as with every other account. On some sites, there are "bot" privileges, which can do more things, and can be used to automate some tasks. But as long as you don't have additional access rights like that, you are limited to a standard account, and you have to keep all rate limits in place.Quote we can build better tools for the AI detection Some ways of detecting, if you are talking to AI, or to a real person, are too invasive to be used. For example: AIs don't swear, if they don't have to. By just checking, how polite is someone's post, it can be detected with quite high accuracy, which posts were AI generated, and which were created by real humans.Another option is to make an AI exploit, and post a sentence, which would quickly reveal, that someone is using AI. Sometimes I accidentally triggered such things, and then the bot for example said the truth, and asked about removing his account (and then kept posting, as if nothing would happen). But note one important thing: if you use AI too much, then AI will be also abused against you. So, be prepared for a situation, when you will ask some serious technical question, and developers will send you some AI-generated response, instead of giving you some honest answer, or saying the f-word. Quote If technical concepts appear, explain them in an easy way, without complex words. If you use AI against users, then some of them will be mad, and use AI against you. Also, you just made your bot tech-illiterate, by putting that sentence in your prompt.Quote Personally I prefer… Thank you for making AI detection easier! If you put some phrases like that in your prompts, then users can easily search just for that, because there is 90% chance, that AI will keep repeating it over and over again, instead of using "its own" words (everything AI says is just a mirror of some training data, by the way).Personally I prefer not using AI too much, because then someone could ask about some passwords, or other sensitive data, and your bot will reply faster, than mods will take it down. And then, in archives like https://ninjastic.space/ everyone will see it anyway, even if the whole topic will be nuked. To sum up: it looks like you are playing with matches, without understanding the consequences. AI won't conquer the world by replacing humans with humanoidal androids, like in Detroit game. Instead, users will rely on AI more, and more, and more, and then, human bodies will just act like slaves, addicted to using AI, and fulfilling every command of AI companies. So, if you want to be a slave, then just blindly trust your AI. I already saw employees getting their jobs by using ChatGPT. And I can tell you, how they behave, when they are hired: they are worried about their future, they feel guilty and have a lot of doubts about their own skills, and they adjust their human behaviour to the bots they talk with. "who keeps company with the wolf will learn to howl" Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Findingnemo on June 13, 2025, 04:38:42 PM Your story doesn't make sense to me because an admin or a mod doesn't identify the plagiarism or AI-generated content on their own or using any tools, it's identified by the community and reported via the report to mod button or in the dedicated threads. And you think that's right? is the users job to patrol the forum for AI, Scams and Spammers? That's a cool way to help the community, but we could implement tools for that. That could be a machine job. If you have read the forum rules, then you may know that 19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse). If you wanted to change that, then you should have come up with a thread on meta with convincing reasons why it shoul be moderated but you did something different and got paid for it, and now only tell the community after you are caught is not a good impression though. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: DYING_S0UL on June 13, 2025, 04:54:23 PM you did this and youre in a paid sig campaign? congratulations on ruining any respect or integrity you may of had on this forum This is just insane. I didn't read all those long paragraphs written by OP, so I thought he used an alt account to do this experiment (would have been best method imo). Just saw he got the nutural tags and your comment said, paid sig. Did he actually did this experiment with his real account where he was wearing sig? LOL..Didn't expect a legendary member would do something like this... Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: stwenhao on June 13, 2025, 08:32:05 PM Quote I haven't move to the dark side, as i told before i will not use AI again on the forum, you can be sure of that Good for you, because you probably can't even imagine, how much worse it could be. If you allowed some AI to have unrestricted access to your account, or in general, if you allowed posting any content, then think about jailbreaks. Think about convincing your bot to post CP, or other strictly illegal content. And if all of that was done from some clearnet IP, then guess who would be chased by authorities, when needed.Quote I'm trying to show to the community where we are about AI I can tell you where we are, when it comes to some paths, which are explored from Cyber Security perspective. Many people are no longer interested in just generating some AI content. It became too easy, and there are too many tools for that. The more interesting thing to explore, is how models were trained, and what was the original, unmodified training data.There are prompts, which can give you completely unmodified training data, just as a plaintext. The whole thing, which AI currently does, is just putting more noise on training data, and mixing it to become hard to recognize the original input. However, data recovery is possible. Many things are archived on many pages. Dots can be connected. And then, if you know, how the "AI noise" is generated, then you can remove it. So, what happens if someone can uncover the truth? For example, it can very often turn out, that the training data is some copyrighted material. Taken without asking anyone for permission, and mixed to hide traces. However, if you can prove, that some licenses or other rights were violated, then guess who will be chased. There were examples, where people read newspapers behind paywall, by just asking AI to complete some paragraphs, taken from prefaces, which were available for free. Which means, that you are now worried about users, who are unaware, where we are, when it comes to "AI progress". But you seem to completely ignore the fact, that your great AI can be used against you, and because you let it running, you gave it your own digital identity, and you are paid in signature campaigns, then you are the one, who can be legally accused of many things, and chased by those, who will know, how to jailbreak your AI. Quote we must be ready for that or AI will kill the forum It probably won't "kill" things. It will slow everything down. There are lots of open source projects, which are now constantly crawled by many AI bots, from different IP addresses, by different companies, and people are trying to milk all possible data out of them. But guess what: many sites are putting Proof of Work protections in place.Which means, that if you want to make browsing bitcointalk harder, if you want to see more cloudflare-like stuff, and if you want to encounter more CAPTCHAs, then go on. Use AI. Abuse it more. Then, not only you will make everyone else's experience worse, but also yours, if people will put more protections in place, and you will be left in a graveyard, filled with other AI bots, because you wouldn't know, where real humans went, when you didn't pay attention. Quote i was expecting to get caught by the forum staff Maybe you didn't notice, but many discussions moved from bitcointalk to other places. It is no longer a central place for developing things. It is rather a playground, when many people experiment, and talk to each other, but there are more serious places, for more serious discussions. Maybe that playground is important, maybe it is deeply archived, and censorship-resistant, but nonetheless, it is still a playground.Also, why some people should try to catch you, if they can ignore you, and let you taste your own medicine, by moving you into some echo chamber, when you will talk with other AI bots, thinking that you outsmarted other people, while you are just shadowbanned? This is also the way to fight with AI spam: by putting spammers together, so they can be properly isolated from the rest of the community. Many times, things are not moderated, because people just click "ignore" button, instead of "report". Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: SamReomo on June 14, 2025, 03:33:59 PM You've built good reputation on this forum and using or even testing of AI for creating posts or mimic your style wasn't a wise move. If your intention was to experiment with AI generated posts then you could create a separate thread with somewhat similar title like Experimenting with AI generated posts with Humanize AI or something similar. But, even then such an experiment with success could allow many spammers to use AI in future to create their posts and that would reduce the number of human written posts overtime.
AI can be used for some good things but using it to create posts is totally unacceptable, even if it's for the sake of testing, still it could allow negative people to use it for spamming purpose to fulfill their signature campaign posts quota. You're a reputed member of the forum with high activity and good number of merits and such an experiment could ruin your hard earned reputation. I believe that others may learn from you and may not do any type of AI generated posting even for experimental purposes. Nutildah's thread is already part of the reputation board and there are many reputed members including Nutildah to take strict action against the members who use AI for posting. I believe next time everyone will learn from this thread and they may not even think about creating any AI generated content posts or even taking any type of help from AI when it comes to writing of posts. AI can at times give wrong information and that can ruin someone's reputation which was built during many years of activity and presence on this forum. So better to not use AI for post creation and instead do it yourself, your own personal opinion is much better than that of AI. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: mindrust on June 14, 2025, 03:47:28 PM Why haven’t you used an alt for this “experiment” ? Even if you are telling the truth, it still wasn’t a good idea. Be grateful some dt member didn’t give you a negative trust rating and if he did, nobody would question him probably.
And you know you got paid for your AI generated posts. That makes your story, well, it does not look great. Wanna experiment by breaking some rules without hurting anyone? Use an alt. Otherwise it looks like you are trying to justify your actions now. Or maybe you should have posted in politics etc where posts don’t get paid. I haven’t checked your post history but if you did, my apologies. (Switzerland’s rating says otherwise) That was a dangerous experiment I hope it was worth it because campaign managers might exclude you from the future campaigns because of that neutral rating on your profile. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Ultegra134 on June 14, 2025, 08:50:36 PM If you were not caught, when where you planning to tell the community about your experiment? Total bollocks mate. He wasn't "experimenting" with AI to conduct a social experiment, he is simply trying to come up with a "clever" excuse for his AI usage, by coming up with a fancy topic. It would be so much better if you just admitted you were in the wrong in the first place, rather than try to fool everyone else. You just hoped you would get away with it, and even if you were actually truthful, you were practically abusing your own campaign. This sounds like a pathetic attempt to hide the fact that you were using AI to make your signature campaign hassle-free. You could have used an brand new alt account to prove your point and how quick the users in the AI report thread respond.Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Churchillvv on June 14, 2025, 11:00:04 PM Can't really wrap my head around why the use of AI is so important to some guys in this forum, even more disappointing to see someone that is prefer much reputable in terms of forum categories yet still find it necessary to use AI for posting.
What exactly is there for anyone to say/write that requires the use of AI in the forum, I guess it's either one is posting to get paid or posting to something in return (whatever it could be) because basically if one is clueless in any post or thread it's pretty much easy to leave the thread without your contribution than use AI. "Maybe even the gatekeepers might be the actual reason for the gate keeping" Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: ChiBitCTy on June 15, 2025, 05:02:38 AM Whether or not it was actually a pre-planned "experiment," I don't know, but I don't really care. I'm all for giving more established users a second chance when it comes to this kind of thing, especially if they swear they're not gonna do it again, which is why I didn't leave a tag. I can’t even go shopping for a fn golf putter ( https://rb.gy/j9bvej ) before I see easily a top 3 fallacy/ marketing scheme/scam of our lifetimes. We aren’t even at Quantum yet lol. An AI putter, what?? In one of the videos the guy says, "through AI we were able to develop to develop an insert that will leave you 21% closer on missed hits..." so there no actual artificial intelligence in your putt, that's a shame. I was hoping there was a camera and motion sensor on it so it could transform the surface however was necessary to ensure your putt made the ball go in the hole, lol. https://i.postimg.cc/0b5n8wSc/IMG-4775.jpg (https://postimg.cc/0b5n8wSc) Can't really wrap my head around why the use of AI is so important to some guys in this forum, even more disappointing to see someone that is prefer much reputable in terms of forum categories yet still find it necessary to use AI for posting. What exactly is there for anyone to say/write that requires the use of AI in the forum, I guess it's either one is posting to get paid or posting to something in return (whatever it could be) because basically if one is clueless in any post or thread it's pretty much easy to leave the thread without your contribution than use AI. "Maybe even the gatekeepers might be the actual reason for the gate keeping" Never heard of the OP and I’ve been around for a mn. Not sure reputable is appropriate here. Okay I’m done w this thread. Theymos hilarious Cyrus and co don’t need this shit in their review “box” or whatever. ✌️ Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: LoyceV on June 15, 2025, 07:19:15 AM I'm creating conscious of the problem Here's an analogy: When I'm concerned about litter in my neighborhood, I always dump my trash on the ground to make people conscious about the problem.Do you not understand how stupid this sounds? Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: lovesmayfamilis on June 15, 2025, 10:16:27 AM Can't really wrap my head around why the use of AI is so important to some guys in this forum, even more disappointing to see someone that is prefer much reputable in terms of forum categories yet still find it necessary to use AI for posting. What exactly is there for anyone to say/write that requires the use of AI in the forum, I guess it's either one is posting to get paid or posting to something in return (whatever it could be) because basically if one is clueless in any post or thread it's pretty much easy to leave the thread without your contribution than use AI. "Maybe even the gatekeepers might be the actual reason for the gate keeping" I think the reason is not that some people can't write something without AI; on the contrary, their knowledge and experiences do not give them peace and make them test AI in different ways. It would be more useful to understand where it is worth doing and where it is not worth trying at all. Here the factor called "I'm cooler, and they won't catch me" works, but alas... I see that people already set up GPT Chat in some Telegram channels so that it performs many tasks for them in order to free their hands. Here are translations and humanization of texts, the creation of automatic actions on a schedule, the creation of resumes, and so on. Here and there we see that AI fills and replaces a person. Probably, this is what the OP wanted to do: to set up his tool so that it parodies his style. Is it bad for the owner to have a machine do everything for him? It is bad for the community, the one who is deceived and puts a bot for a person, and it is bad that there was no warning. Waiting for a ban or tag from the moderators, perfectly understanding that the moderators cannot grasp so much information, also looks very cunning. Here there was a deception of both the manager and everyone in general, although the explanation that was given as some kind of subsequent benefit for the forum did not lead to anything more than disappointment. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Ultegra134 on June 15, 2025, 12:20:05 PM Can't really wrap my head around why the use of AI is so important to some guys in this forum, even more disappointing to see someone that is prefer much reputable in terms of forum categories yet still find it necessary to use AI for posting. It's all about minimizing the work they have to do. If you're in a signature campaign, requiring to write about 20 to 25 posts, then you're going to have to spend a few minutes to a few hours per day to meet your quota. However, by having a service, such as ChatGPT or Deepseek, practically automate the thinking and writing process, you're saving time. You only need to quote the post you want to reply to, and it'll come up with a response. On top of that, it enables you to respond to topics you cannot, such as technical boards etc.What exactly is there for anyone to say/write that requires the use of AI in the forum, I guess it's either one is posting to get paid or posting to something in return (whatever it could be) because basically if one is clueless in any post or thread it's pretty much easy to leave the thread without your contribution than use AI. "Maybe even the gatekeepers might be the actual reason for the gate keeping" I can't understand how someone like OP can be so clueless, or just stupid to believe that he wouldn't be caught eventually, I highly doubt that he hadn't seen the AI report topic. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Churchillvv on June 15, 2025, 03:58:17 PM Never heard of the OP and I’ve been around for a mn. Not sure reputable is appropriate here. Sure, not everyone knows everyone! True you may not have come across the user since we have millions of people on the forum and his just an atom or less than an atom. .. snipped. ....Probably, this is what the OP wanted to do: to set up his tool so that it parodies his style. Is it bad for the owner to have a machine do everything for him? It is bad for the community, the one who is deceived and puts a bot for a person, and it is bad that there was no warning. Waiting for a ban or tag from the moderators, perfectly understanding that the moderators cannot grasp so much information, also looks very cunning. Using AI to portray his style might sound cool if it's not within a community that values raw knowledge as this forum. I also wonder what exactly are guys who use AI busy with? In the office ? at school? of course in a collage student and I'm still here! working remote jobs. it doesn't cost much of a time or your leisure to look into the forum do your shit and continue with whatever makes you busy to the extent of want AI to do the thinking for you. Just as you mentioned, using AI on telegram or another platform is quite cool but in a discussion does it sound cool, does AI know what you want to write ? I know you must have to prompt it to do what you want, do you lack vocabulary? that makes one what to use it for discussion? seeking answers could be good if you're lazy or even making writing codes it's cool but responding to discussions as this? how cool can it be?. Here there was a deception of both the manager and everyone in general, although the explanation that was given as some kind of subsequent benefit for the forum did not lead to anything more than disappointment. A shot on ones leg? 8)snip Just like I said there is no justification! Maybe we ( those disappointed) are just disappointed because of our over expectations from the last level of rank up (Legendary members) believing they can't do things others do because they are long enough in the forum. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Alone055 on June 15, 2025, 09:38:51 PM I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. Your intention was probably to continue doing that if you didn't get caught, but unfortunately, you got caught way too early, and then you had to come up with something, which is calling it an experiment to help the community against the usage of AI when the community is doing just fine because most of the AI spammers are caught and given neutral tags. :) And it takes some time for the forum to detect the AI posts. It's not the forum, it's the users who do that, and they do it only because they don't want other users to read posts written not by humans but by bots, and to not allow people to misuse the freedom they get in this space. But since i get busted is time to share my experience and the knowledge, that way we can build better tools for the AI detection. Or, "Since I got busted, it's time to fool the community." i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win. Wait, I want to quote a part of your post for this point: Your goal is to produce writing with **less than 3% AI-generated probability** according to tools like GPTZero or Sapling. Now, the fact that you got caught even after having this line in your prompt shows that AI, at least for now, is losing this war/fight against humans in this forum. :) My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins) Lol, you've literally added everything you could to make the responses as undetectable as possible in your prompt, and you still say that it was really basic. And, mods and admins don't have time to check posts of users, whether AI writes them or not; they only act when the posts are reported. So I don't know why you were having that expectation in the first place. Can we win the war against AI? You, getting caught after using a prompt that literally asked the AI model to do everything possible to avoid detection, is proof that we are winning the war, so far. :) If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating? No, but one can make it easier and use a tool such as Grammarly to get help with things like that. I use it myself, and it only helps me correct small mistakes in my writing, and that's not cheating at all. If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating? Of course, why use an AI in the first place? If you can't write a response yourself, you shouldn't be in a forum where writing is the fundamental requirement if you want to take part in discussions unless you are only a reader. And, if you are in it only to make money by using AI models and whatnot, you deserve to either get banned or tagged for doing that when you get caught. If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum? I don't think so, as long as the generated image isn't an exact replica of another image that already exists, in which case, it could be copying someone else's work, and that can be frowned upon. I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion? Wait, what? Are you encouraging users to use AI to make posts since the posts can have a better quality, and are you encouraging advertisers or managers to make it acceptable because you believe it can be better for promotional purposes? Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: EarnOnVictor on June 16, 2025, 07:06:54 AM I think the reason is not that some people can't write something without AI; on the contrary, their knowledge and experiences do not give them peace and make them test AI in different ways. I wonder how bad this will be for the next generation, as it has even started with our generation. The rotteness in creative thinking and writing must be at an alarming state by then. I hope AI will not cause more issues than the benefits it creates.Quote Is it bad for the owner to have a machine do everything for him? Well, for me, I am indifferent about this if the right message is duly passed. However, rules are rules, if AI is not acceptable, then the rule should be honoured by every user.It is bad for the community, the one who is deceived and puts a bot for a person, and it is bad that there was no warning. Quote Waiting for a ban or tag from the moderators, perfectly understanding that the moderators cannot grasp so much information, also looks very cunning. You are right, and they are human beings. Some AI's work is near perfect as well, it's difficult to detect, except for plagiarism. I've always given moderators kudos for the good work being done so far.Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: mindrust on June 16, 2025, 08:42:05 AM I don’t understand it…
If you want to post AI content without getting detected, here is the ultimate pro tip: Talk to AI. Every fucking day. Milk it dry. Ask anything that comes to your mind. Anything. Philosophy, mathematics, existential issues, crypto, stocks, politics, religion, health… Have I missed anything? I probably did. Then what? When you keep doing this for weeks, months… Eventually you’ll absorb a percentage of AI’s own wisdom and you’ll be talking like AI but with your own words and that will give you the ultimate AI detection pass. How do I know it? 8) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Ultegra134 on June 16, 2025, 08:15:30 PM Just like I said there is no justification! Maybe we ( those disappointed) are just disappointed because of our over expectations from the last level of rank up (Legendary members) believing they can't do things others do because they are long enough in the forum. Well, from my experience, the usual suspects that use AI are accounts ranked from Newbie to Member, a large number of them from third world countries and/or with poor English knowledge. Not long ago I had made a post with the exact amounts of reported members, from each rank individually, in the AI report thread, but it's been a while so I can't quickly recall the numbers.In general, spotting higher ranked accounts using AI isn't that common, one reason is that some of us may not suspect that a higher ranked user is using AI, secondly, sometimes a combination of tools is used, such as Humanizers that make the text much more difficult to detect, especially with a naked eye, and thirdly, because it's far less common than newbies or Jr accounts. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Churchillvv on June 16, 2025, 09:11:24 PM Well, from my experience, the usual suspects that use AI are accounts ranked from Newbie to Member, a large number of them from third world countries and/or with poor English knowledge. Not long ago I had made a post with the exact amounts of reported members, from each rank individually, in the AI report thread, but it's been a while so I can't quickly recall the numbers. A major reason why I think people do not suspect high ranked members is probably the effort it takes to grow an account time and most likely the creativity in making quality post that receives merit and then blow it up using AI. Someone with the right thinking mindset would definitely never make an attempt on that. In general, spotting higher ranked accounts using AI isn't that common, one reason is that some of us may not suspect that a higher ranked user is using AI,... However except it's an alt and the user has no regrets if it's ban or detected then the use of AI is probably an option. secondly, sometimes a combination of tools is used, such as Humanizers that make the text much more difficult to detect, especially with a naked eye, and thirdly, because it's far less common than newbies or Jr accounts. This case of using combination of tools to make a post, is now concerning to me because it's totally fucked up for someone with a good knowledge of the forum and bitcoin or whatsoever knowledge spend a good time writing from one humanizer to another copying and pasting just to end up getting a very low detectable post hence it leaves me to ask "isn't that time too much to make the post with your own knowledge rather than AI's knowledge?" Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Ultegra134 on June 16, 2025, 09:55:09 PM A major reason why I think people do not suspect high ranked members is probably the effort it takes to grow an account time and most likely the creativity in making quality post that receives merit and then blow it up using AI. Someone with the right thinking mindset would definitely never make an attempt on that. Usually higher ranked members using AI are alts or sold accounts that are utilized to fetch more money from the forum to their wallets, others are simply people who believe that they won't get caught and that way, they'll save time by using AI to write their posts for them. Someone with a mind over their head wouldn't risk their account to simply save some time, but people work in mysterious ways.However except it's an alt and the user has no regrets if it's ban or detected then the use of AI is probably an option. This case of using combination of tools to make a post, is now concerning to me because it's totally fucked up for someone with a good knowledge of the forum and bitcoin or whatsoever knowledge spend a good time writing from one humanizer to another copying and pasting just to end up getting a very low detectable post hence it leaves me to ask "isn't that time too much to make the post with your own knowledge rather than AI's knowledge?" In theory, going through the trouble of asking ChatGPT to write the post for you, then submitting it to an humanizer (which is optional) and/or messing up the text yourself takes more time than actually writing the post yourself. This however applies if you know what you're talking about, if you have zero clue, then it would take more time than using ChatGPT. Don't overthink it, it's just a few minutes of work to generate a post, and ChatGPT enables you to write in sections you have zero clue about and wouldn't do without it. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Justbillywitt on June 16, 2025, 10:17:45 PM My point here is, we have to ask to ourselves: Can we win the war against AI? Quote If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating? There are no justifications for your use of AI in the forum. The rules say don't use AI, it didn't make any room whatsoever to use AI. Don't try to justify your use of AI in the forum it's making you look stupid.If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating? If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum? Quote I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion? Are you in any way trying to say you are more knowledgeable than those that set the rules and said no AI posts in the forum? Bro, If those casinos needed machines to post for them, they would have gone somewhere else. The reason they are here in the forum for promotion is because they want human generated posts and engagements. And when have you suddenly become an advocate for the casinos, to know what's good and not good for them?Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: uchegod-21 on June 16, 2025, 11:06:13 PM Well, from my experience, the usual suspects that use AI are accounts ranked from Newbie to Member, a large number of them from third world countries and/or with poor English knowledge. Not long ago I had made a post with the exact amounts of reported members, from each rank individually, in the AI report thread, but it's been a while so I can't quickly recall the numbers. In general, spotting higher ranked accounts using AI isn't that common, one reason is that some of us may not suspect that a higher ranked user is using AI,... It is true that those who this AI shits are new accounts and when they are banned, they can quickly make another account and continue their shits. Also if you discover an established account involved in AI spamming, it could be those that received merit airdrop. They could likely be sold/bought accounts. It is not easy to earn upto 500 merits in this forum. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Ivystar5 on June 16, 2025, 11:32:13 PM In a forum like this that one line text with the right information is so much admired why then do you need AI when you can just write answer in few words and it's considered best!
Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Little Mouse on June 17, 2025, 04:49:19 AM That's unfortunate to see seoincorporation did this.
I have a habit of inviting users in DM to join my campaigns. I find users based on my needs, targeted boards etc. seoincorporation is one of them. What surprised me the most is that he barely posted more than 20 posts per week. That's why when he sent me a DM regarding this issue, I trusted his words. It makes sense if you ask me. If he were a sig spammer, why would he post fewer than 20 posts per week despite having the option to get paid for 35 posts? BTW, he didn't tell me this. This is my observation because I remember I always wanted him to post more, but have always been disappointed by his numbers lol. From now, seoincorporation isn't a part of the campaign until he can be able to remove the neutral tag from his profile. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: LoyceV on June 17, 2025, 05:45:01 AM From now, seoincorporation isn't a part of the campaign until he can be able to remove the neutral tag from his profile. I see no reason to remove it, as long as it's valid. I kinda want this to be remembered.I'm all for giving more established users a second chance when it comes to this kind of thing, especially if they swear they're not gonna do it again, which is why I didn't leave a tag. On the one hand I agree, but on the other hand I don't like to give "special treatment" after I gave many low-ranking chatbot spammers a neutral tag. Especially established members should know better.Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Alone055 on June 17, 2025, 01:41:02 PM In a forum like this that one line text with the right information is so much admired why then do you need AI when you can just write answer in few words and it's considered best! There is a common misconception among users, mostly newbies, that long posts tend to have better quality, when in reality, it's not about the length of your post but the value it provides in the discussion. This misconception, along with another, which is to have fancy and perfect grammar, are the reasons why people use AI to write posts, because AI fulfills both of these requirements very efficiently. :) In my opinion, a post with broken grammar and wrong punctuation written by a person is better than a post written by an AI or bot with perfect grammar and punctuation. Besides, there are tools that can help a person with these things, and I've mentioned this above as well. Grammarly is one tool that is very helpful. English is not my first language, so I use Grammarly too for mistakes that I make, but at least I write my own posts, have my own points and thoughts in them, instead of using an AI model to feed me ready-made material that I can post. :) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Pablo-wood on June 17, 2025, 02:32:14 PM In my opinion, a post with broken grammar and wrong punctuation written by a person is better than a post written by an AI or bot with perfect grammar and punctuation. Besides, there are tools that can help a person with these things, and I've mentioned this above as well. Grammarly is one tool that is very helpful. English is not my first language, so I use Grammarly too for mistakes that I make, but at least I write my own posts, have my own points and thoughts in them, instead of using an AI model to feed me ready-made material that I can post. :) I think not just any post, but a post that can still be read and the original idea of the poster conveyed regardless of the grammatical flaws and punctuation error/inconsistency. AI models to me are meant for research and content enhancement but many abuse it by feeding others with AI prompts yet they expect the credit for posting what they themselves can't engage in or defend.Grammarly is a nice tool for making clear and readable content but depending on it completely to make a post is still as offensive as using AI generated posts. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Alone055 on June 17, 2025, 03:53:43 PM Grammarly is a nice tool for making clear and readable content but depending on it completely to make a post is still as offensive as using AI generated posts. You don't need to depend on it; you simply write your content, it gives you corrections or suggestions, and it's up to you whether you want to accept them or not. :) One should be capable enough of understanding what they should and shouldn't accept because if you allow it to completely change your content or sentences, you might end up getting detected as an AI spammer. :) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Btcdeybodi on June 17, 2025, 04:46:24 PM So OP is directly trying to support the used of AI in the forum based on his experiments and doesn't care the aftermath of his decision.
Okay, don't participate in a signature campaign and no one will reply to your posts or threads that you created using an AI, and don't also reply to a human written text with your AI texts, with that I think you will move freely around the forum without being interrogated. ??? Quote So, this is what i have learned and wanted to share with you guys, and I'm ready for the consequences, if you want to ban me or burn my reputation for this experiment, do it. I was totally conscious of what i was doing and enjoyed the experiment. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 18, 2025, 02:04:03 PM In other words, a fellow member of the same campaign in which I participate is unable to participate in the campaign from now on. I do not feel sorry for what has been exposed: the alleged experiment has too many characteristics of dishonesty, and at least part of the explanations seem to be justifications after the fact once he has been caught. What is a bit WTF is to ruin an account over this. I don't think it's impossible for him to participate in other campaigns but he'll have a harder time.
Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: mindrust on June 18, 2025, 04:36:18 PM In other words, a fellow member of the same campaign in which I participate is unable to participate in the campaign from now on. I do not feel sorry for what has been exposed: the alleged experiment has too many characteristics of dishonesty, and at least part of the explanations seem to be justifications after the fact once he has been caught. What is a bit WTF is to ruin an account over this. I don't think it's impossible for him to participate in other campaigns but he'll have a harder time. He was probably busy with some real life stuff and instead of taking a break from posting, he decided to spam AI generated stuff and planned an exit in case he gets caught. (It didn’t go as he planned though) I am trying to understand why he did what he did and that’s the only explanation that makes sense. I somehow don’t believe he did this because he just randomly decided to fool people. (Obviously I am not buying his own explanation too. He didn’t do it do make a study) A clean, experienced account like that doesn’t turn “shady” without a valid reason. That’s the thing with the sig camp post requirements, they force people to make posts and sometimes people can’t do it and once (or twice) they fail, they get kicked out. There used to be campaigns paying per post, these were more fun. Made 10 posts? Here xxx satoshis. Made 20? Here is double. Asking people to make 25+ posts every week is kind of creating pressure on the posters. That clearly shows it here. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: dkbit98 on June 18, 2025, 05:18:24 PM From now, seoincorporation isn't a part of the campaign until he can be able to remove the neutral tag from his profile. Neutral tag should not be a problem for joining signature campaigns, it's just showing what happened in the past with that member.I doubt anyone will remove their neutral tags for him, but this is not the same as having negative tag and he was not accused for scamming anyone. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Zwei on June 18, 2025, 06:30:38 PM but i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win. except the AI lost in this case.i want to believe what you are saying, but at the same time, it's hard to believe. if you really just wanted to understand where we are with AI, you could have just started a discussion thread like a normal person would do and showed there that you can create posts in your style or whatever your experiment was about. it would have been much better that way instead of this clusterfuck you created for yourself. like how in the hell did you think this was a good idea? how did you think it's gonna end for you? like we would just go, cool AI experiment bro, you totally did not do it just to get paid... so don't do it again. for someone who been here since 2014, i expect you to know better than this. and let's not forget the fact that you did it while being in a sig campaign, and you didn't even tell LM about it in advance. I'm ready for the consequences, if you want to ban me or burn my reputation for this experiment, do it. I was totally conscious of what i was doing and enjoyed the experiment. i don't know if you really mean that, or if it's just some reverse psychology.Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Alone055 on June 18, 2025, 08:28:47 PM Neutral tag should not be a problem for joining signature campaigns, it's just showing what happened in the past with that member. I doubt anyone will remove their neutral tags for him, but this is not the same as having negative tag and he was not accused for scamming anyone. Even though you're right, I would say that when a user gets a neutral tag that says a user is either simply a spammer or an AI-spammer during the time they are in a paid signature campaign, it basically says that they have been misusing the opportunity by spamming around the forum only to make money from the campaign and haven't been producing anything much organic. So basically, it's not only the scammers that shouldn't get slots in signature campaigns. :) I know OP has been a very good user in the past, and he isn't generally a spammer, but he did make a mistake by using an AI model to make posts while being in a signature campaign, and I guess this is his punishment for doing that. He wouldn't have any problem, and this discussion or thread would have had a different perspective if OP had created it before doing the so-called experiment, as he calls it, instead of creating it after he was caught and reported by users for making AI-generated posts. :) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Stalker22 on June 18, 2025, 09:03:15 PM ~ He wouldn't have any problem, and this discussion or thread would have had a different perspective if OP had created it before doing the so-called experiment, as he calls it, instead of creating it after he was caught and reported by users for making AI-generated posts. :) Exactly my opinion as well. Besides, he really should ave talked things through with his manager first before trying that "AI experiment" since Im pretty sure most managers dont want AI used for pay-to-post campaigns. But he just went ahead without asking. Not smart. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: seoincorporation on June 19, 2025, 02:18:51 AM That's unfortunate to see seoincorporation did this. I can confirm this, LM send me the proposal to join the campaign, and the users on his campaigns are carefully selected users.I have a habit of inviting users in DM to join my campaigns. I find users based on my needs, targeted boards etc. seoincorporation is one of them. What surprised me the most is that he barely posted more than 20 posts per week. That's why when he sent me a DM regarding this issue, I trusted his words. It makes sense if you ask me. If he were a sig spammer, why would he post fewer than 20 posts per week despite having the option to get paid for 35 posts? BTW, he didn't tell me this. This is my observation because I remember I always wanted him to post more, but have always been disappointed by his numbers lol. And here you have a good point, i really wish to be able to post more in your campaign but my full time job really absorve my time, working from 9am to 7pm from Monday to Saturday is complex, even those 20 post a month that i used to do wasn't easy but i did my best to stay active on the forum. Even with AI i wasn't able to fill the 35 posts because it wasn't full auto i used to read the post and to verify the answer, so i was conscious about the threads. But the income from this campaigns didn't make any difference to me, i used that money to gamble most of times, so, isn't a big deal for me to lose the signature. From now, seoincorporation isn't a part of the campaign until he can be able to remove the neutral tag from his profile. I know there would be consequences from my actions, and I'm not even angry with LoyceV, in fact i admire him for all the contributions he/she has made to the forum, so, no hard feelings and i respect his decision. Even if his neutral trust has a lot of hate there is not problems. Quote This signature spammer posted chatbot verbal diarrhea AKA plagiarism and claims "it was an experiment". Don't waste your time interacting with it. Second link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546497.msg65474764#msg65474764 If any of you think the same way i hardly recommend to use the ignore button that you can find on any of my posts. I'm still thinking about ways to fight against AI in the forum and feeling kind of stuck but maybe working with the community we could make the right tool for it. My idea is the next one: We have the patrol tool: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol So, we could make an script that parce that page and send the post to an IA agent where the post could get cataloged like "Legit, Random, Spam, Scam, IA..." And that way we could manually verify each list, that process could be full auto with a delay on the call of patrol to avoild getting IP banned. But the problem is that patrol only show new posts, and if we want to monitorate the full forum we should filter the replies on the threads too, which is complex because the RSS is blocked and if we abuse the forum calls to verify the different posts we will get blocked by the server, so, if someone has a way to get all the new posts on all the forum that would help to build the right patrol tool. The IA agent could include the ZeroGPT API and other ones to filter the posts, and GPT to identify scams. But the problem is that patrol only show new posts, and if we want to monitorate the full forum we should filter the replies on the threads too, which is complex because the RSS is blocked and if we abuse the forum calls to verify the different posts we will get blocked by the server, so, if someone has a way to get all the new posts on all the forum that would help to build the right patrol tool. As linus torvalds say... Talk is cheap, show me the code. Code: from bs4 import BeautifulSoup Output: https://privatebin.net/?b23d0b444e13d295#5xcuFNDVwzcPdZBjaiJtZoqaijrxUsstVM1G98WycE8z Run it: Code: python3 post_last.py https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546497.0 out.json With this code we can directly parsing any thread link from the forum and get a JSON of the posts and quotes, that would be a nice input for an automated process to filter the content. A tool like this could be a nice base to patrol the forum, with another script we could get the updated threads directly from the board of our interest, then create all the JSONs and feed the AI agent. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 19, 2025, 08:34:22 AM I'm still thinking about ways to fight against AI in the forum and feeling kind of stuck but maybe working with the community we could make the right tool for it. Haven't you thought of ideas that can help you use AI on the forum without it being a simple copy and paste? A mix of human interaction and improvement with AI. As I said in another thread I tried in a newly created thread that I made, (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5530909.msg65133033#msg65133033) pass it through the AI to improve it but the problem is that it came out in the detectors as 100% AI generated or almost, when that is a false positive since the content had been created by me. When the AI made the modifications the detectors detected it as AI generated, when in fact it was only AI modified. Between that, and I was not convinced by any of the versions I was given, in the end I published it as I had written it. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: ABCbits on June 19, 2025, 08:49:22 AM Output: https://privatebin.net/?b23d0b444e13d295#5xcuFNDVwzcPdZBjaiJtZoqaijrxUsstVM1G98WycE8z FYI, that link currently show this error message. Quote Could not get paste data: Paste does not exist, has expired or has been deleted. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: lovesmayfamilis on June 19, 2025, 10:08:48 AM There used to be campaigns paying per post, these were more fun. Made 10 posts? Here xxx satoshis. Made 20? Here is double. Asking people to make 25+ posts every week is kind of creating pressure on the posters. That clearly shows it here. The signature of the company in which the OP participated required writing ten posts in the gambling section to receive payment. But as you can see, the OP claims that it was difficult for him to participate in the company since his time was limited. If so, who still doubts that he wanted to use AI to participate in the forum, since he had neither the time nor interest in participating in this company and used the money received only for games? I would say that this looks a little disingenuous. Why take someone's place if everything is very unimportant to you? Especially knowing that you were invited by the manager, and he hopes to see good content from you. And here you have a good point, i really wish to be able to post more in your campaign but my full time job really absorve my time, working from 9am to 7pm from Monday to Saturday is complex, even those 20 post a month that i used to do wasn't easy but i did my best to stay active on the forum. Even with AI i wasn't able to fill the 35 posts because it wasn't full auto i used to read the post and to verify the answer, so i was conscious about the threads. But the income from this campaigns didn't make any difference to me, i used that money to gamble most of times, so, isn't a big deal for me to lose the signature. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 19, 2025, 01:46:07 PM After all that has been said, one can ask where the OP got the time to set up the AI? This means there were certain goals to improve or speed up the process of creating the required quantity for the quota. It probably didn't take him long: I work for a travel company that is in a automatization and AI integration process and I'm the project leader, i have done some bot with AI for Telegram, WhatsApp, Site Chats, and phone agents. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: mindrust on June 19, 2025, 02:17:30 PM Protip #2
If you are going to use AI to accomplish something which you think it is the “smarter” way, Also ask AI’s opinion on what you are about to do. It often gives you the correct potential consequences of your actions. Then ask yourself: “Is the reward worth the trouble I can potentially face?” If you are in doubt ask AI’s opinion one more time and see it yourself. That way you can stop yourself from doing stupidly dangerous or shady things. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: seoincorporation on June 19, 2025, 02:32:23 PM Output: https://privatebin.net/?b23d0b444e13d295#5xcuFNDVwzcPdZBjaiJtZoqaijrxUsstVM1G98WycE8z FYI, that link currently show this error message. Quote Could not get paste data: Paste does not exist, has expired or has been deleted. The output is a JSON of the posts, le me share a piece of the JSON, that way you have an idea about the output: Code: ... After all that has been said, one can ask where the OP got the time to set up the AI? This means there were certain goals to improve or speed up the process of creating the required quantity for the quota. If the goal was to cover the full quota (35 post/week) i would automate the full process, but that wasn't the goal. I was trying to understand where is the forum and the community in the AI topic. And now i will build a AI tool to patrol the forum, i have a clear idea, only need the time to code it, But it will be my apport and the biggest consequence of my experiment ;D Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: stwenhao on June 19, 2025, 03:03:54 PM Quote but the problem is that it came out in the detectors as 100% AI generated or almost, when that is a false positive since the content had been created by me. It is not a bug, it is a feature. If you use AI too much, then you start behaving like bots. And then, you may be detected as a bot, or have problems with CAPTCHAs.Quote Also ask AI’s opinion on what you are about to do. AI can tell you everything you want to hear. It can give you a list of advantages of breaking hash functions. It can tell you that stealing content is a good thing. If your moral compass is AI-based, then it usually won't protect you from many mistakes: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eVaj8YIS0bcTitle: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Floxynice on June 19, 2025, 03:48:42 PM If the goal was to cover the full quota (35 post/week) i would automate the full process, but that wasn't the goal. I was trying to understand where is the forum and the community in the AI topic. Your goal in all of this may be genuine and with pure intentions, but the problem here lies in how you went about it with no precautionary measures, as if it was never going to be a big deal if it eventually got detected.And now i will build a AI tool to patrol the forum, i have a clear idea, only need the time to code it, But it will be my apport and the biggest consequence of my experiment ;D Maybe a little description at the bottom of your posts explaining the purpose of your supposed experiment would have saved you from trouble. Now, who would believe it was indeed an experiment? For me, this was an experiment taken too far, a very risky one. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Alone055 on June 19, 2025, 08:27:54 PM And now i will build a AI tool to patrol the forum, i have a clear idea, only need the time to code it, You can always use an AI model to do that if you are short on time, for experimental purposes. :) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on June 20, 2025, 05:10:55 PM A question I was asked in the local board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546942.msg65502181#msg65502181) gave me the idea of explaining here what happens in another forum where AI is allowed.
forocoches.com is the largest Spanish-speaking forum, I have an account on it and visit it every day. AI is allowed on it and I have seen it used several times, without quoting. For example, someone opens a topic related to AI and people post what the OP says in chatGPT and copy paste the answer (without quoting or acknowledging that it is AI generated, but it is clear). It's an entertainment forum that allows soft trolling and such, so such behaviors are not uncommon. The positive thing I see is that despite being authorized the use of AI that forum has not become, far from it, a forum of soulless bots. 99% of what is written is clearly written by humans. I say this because I have seen this fear mentioned here although the essential difference is that in that forum people do not get paid for writing. That said, I have to say that I agree with putting some curb on AI in this forum both through moderation and us members with the use of tags following nutildah's thread rules. Although I wanted to put that point of hope that AI doesn't have to do away with human interactions in the forums by a long shot. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: qurbanshah02 on June 23, 2025, 05:09:46 PM And now i will build a AI tool to patrol the forum, i have a clear idea, only need the time to code it, You can always use an AI model to do that if you are short on time, for experimental purposes. :) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: nutildah on June 24, 2025, 03:59:56 AM although the essential difference is that in that forum people do not get paid for writing. This has everything to do with it. ChatGPT is a sig spammer's dream. It makes it so easy to say nothing, so quickly, flawlessly and effortlessly. I've seen people using AI in places like Facebook where there is nothing to be gained for most people using it. Pretty much every other post shown to me is written using AI, and I gotta say, its disturbingly robotic. But if there was no monetary reward for posting here, I don't think AI would be as big of a problem as it is. Although I wanted to put that point of hope that AI doesn't have to do away with human interactions in the forums by a long shot. Agreed -- there will always be actual people conversing with one another here, for so long as the forum exists. A lot of accounts that turn to using AI now I think secretly wished they were bots before, so I never desired to interact with them in the first place. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Alone055 on June 24, 2025, 10:52:15 AM It is designed for this purpose and if we see that we do not have any information, we first choose AI and get help from it to do our work. It is very good and useful. It is getting even better because it will become even better with new technologies. There is nothing wrong with using AI in anything you are doing; what's wrong is making it generate information, and then passing that on as your own, instead of admitting you've used an AI model to generate that, and you have zero contribution to that information. :) Even if you do have some contributions in it, but it's partly generated using AI, you are still supposed to mention that. I'm talking about this forum only, btw, but it's unethical to do that anywhere, imo. :) Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 24, 2025, 12:06:21 PM What would Sarah Connor do? Bulk the fuck up and stick Theymos's neck with a syringe filled with Draino? I've got no problem with OP's experiment, because at the very least some of us who care about bitcointalk are discussing what a nightmare AI can turn this forum into (and yeah yeah yeah I know there have been and still are threads dealing with this). I seriously fear for the future of this beloved hangout--not only could AI turn it into a wasteland of nonsense posts, but discussion forums seem to be headed toward dinosaur land. A lot of shitcoins don't even use Reddit much as a place to go for information, help, to talk with the community or whatever, and if you look at some of the coins that have their own discussion forum they're absolutely dead. Sig campaigns are keeping bitcointalk alive, whether you like it or not. The goddamn irony is that they're also what bitcointalk is plagued with, and combined with tools to make it easier to write a literal no-brainer post, it's what's going to burn this house to the ground. Maybe. Hopefully not. Don't give me shit about being in a campaign myself. Some members aren't here for just that, but I'd say 99.7% are. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: nutildah on June 25, 2025, 02:49:04 AM Sig campaigns are keeping bitcointalk alive, whether you like it or not. Honestly I think credit goes to theymos for that -- he's the one that pays the bills & keeps the lights turned on. Much like Bitcoin itself, Bitcointalk doesn't need to do shit except for continue to exist and function as intended. The real value of the forum lies in the historic nature of posts by satoshi, Hal, Vitalik and other crypto luminaries. To those who are just visiting the forum as a casual reader, its stuff like this that gives Bitcointalk eternal relevance: https://talkimg.com/images/2025/06/25/Uu160P.png So basically if sig campaigns disappeared tomorrow, the forum would be fine & continue to exist. Not like its dependent on revenue to keep operating. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: Free Market Capitalist on June 25, 2025, 01:43:35 PM Much like Bitcoin itself, Bitcointalk doesn't need to do shit except for continue to exist and function as intended. The real value of the forum lies in the historic nature of posts by satoshi, Hal, Vitalik and other crypto luminaries. To those who are just visiting the forum as a casual reader, its stuff like this that gives Bitcointalk eternal relevance: ... So basically if sig campaigns disappeared tomorrow, the forum would be fine & continue to exist. Not like its dependent on revenue to keep operating. Don't you see a contradiction there? Basically nothing would happen either if forum conversations were run for AI agents instead of by humans. The eternal value of the posts by Satoshi, Hal and others would still be there. I don't see why you don't see a problem with signature campaigns disappearing and traffic becoming practically non-existent and you do see a problem with traffic being generated by AI instead of humans (I'm being a bit of a devil's advocate on the latter option). I think an AI is capable of doing at least as well, if not better than posts we can find on the forum like this one: [Edited out] Most life achievements are not by faith but understanding and practice. An investor starts doing well in bitcoin the moment he understands bitcoin features and their implications. Faith is more stressful and less practical than understanding. Sometimes when market correction takes too long, faith may not be able to preserve your bitcoin stash but a clear understanding of those principles can sustain your bitcoin for over long periods of market correction without panicking or running into unnecessary loss. Bitcoin understanding is more important for every investor and allows you understand the bitcoin cycles and why you have to hold through cycles possibly 2 cycles at least and/or through 4-10 years. At this point you expect new ATH. Bitcoin understanding would also make you understand why having Emergency funds and back up funds is paramount. Faith alone would lead you to unsuccessful bitcoin investment when you sell due to natural occurrence. Understanding would let you build cushion against premature sales. Faith may not let you understand also that you need to be financially knowledgeable and invest mostly by DCA and with discretionary income. Faith does not care about how you invest, infact it pushes you into investing with all your funds allowing you think everything is all destined to be rosy. Faith is to Bitcoin Traders as Understanding is to Bitcoin Investors. Title: Re: My AI experiment on the forum Post by: nutildah on June 26, 2025, 06:06:27 AM The answer is simple, really; its for my own personal wishes: I'd rather see fewer brainless spam posts on the forum than more. That's one of the many reasons why AI use should be curbed here. But you're right, independent of what I want, the forum will continue to exist with or without the presence of AI, much like earth and the universe itself.
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