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I visited the "Reputation" board and came across a thread started by a clear troll. After reviewing its thread history, I noticed that it has been trolling for quite some time without facing any consequences. Is trolling allowed and a common occurrence on this forum? I’m not particularly concerned about the answer, as I just want to request that this user be banned until Sun is gone.

Quote from: jvanname on June 29, 2025, 09:13:12 PM

I have been taking a stand for my own personal safety. And since universities promote violence against me, I had to also make a stand against universities, and I will continue to stand against evil universities until they fucking apologize. Until they do so, they need to be mocked relentlessly! But the people on this site (and everywhere else) are fucking evil, and they FUCKING HATE ME FOR BRINGING THIS UP! HUMANS ARE EVIL ROTTEN VIOLENCE PROMOTING PIECES OF SHIT WHO DESERVE EXTINCTION FOLLOWED BY ETERNAL DAMNATION!

Quote from: Hispo on June 29, 2025, 02:44:31 PM

It is wrong to mock someone who obviously have problems controlling his behavior and his anger on the internet and probably in the real life, though.
We both know he was likely fired from his position at his university because he is supposed to be taking medications to stabilize his mood and his outbursts of anger at so many things and at the same time.

The most disturbing thing about all this situation is how most people would have already forgotten about getting kicked out their job and would have found other one where they feel comfortable and productive, without spending literal years yelling at strangers on the internet so many weird and improper things.

If there is a lesson to learn from all this, it is how important mental healthcare is for people like him and having a doctorate does not mean one is educated.

Hispo is one of the most evil people imaginable. Hispo wants me to take psychoactive medications AND HE IS FUCKING ASSUMING A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT ME JUST TO GASLIGHT ME INTO BELIEVING THAT I WAS WRONG FOR LOOKING OUT FOR MY OWN PERSONAL SAFETY! THAT FUCKER IS THE MOST EVIL THING IMAGINABLE!

I HAVE MADE THE ONLY CRYPTOCURRENCY WITH A MINING ALGORITHM THAT IS DESIGNED TO ADVANCE SCIENCE, AND ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS HAVE NOTHING BUT ABSOLUTE HATRED BECAUSE OF THIS! YOU ARE HORRENDOUS PEOPLE! GOD FUCKING HATES YOU!

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Quote from: Free Market Capitalist on June 30, 2025, 04:56:17 AM

Although in this case I think it is simply someone who has mental problems

Even though I wouldn't mind seeing people like that banned as this isn't the place to showcase your mental problems, I kinda appreciate the fact that Bitcointalk freedom of speech, even if the speech is bullshit. Just click Ignore, that's what I did a long time ago.

Quote from: OcTradism on June 30, 2025, 05:32:34 AM

If you reply to trolling posts, you are feeding it and make trolleys more exciting and have motivation to continue trolling.

That will never end. By the time someone gives up and stops responding, someone else jumps in and responds to his posts again. Even with the best intentions, some users can't be helped.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 30, 2025, 05:36:26 AM

Quote from: OcTradism on June 30, 2025, 05:32:34 AM

If you reply to trolling posts, you are feeding it and make trolleys more exciting and have motivation to continue trolling.

That will never end. By the time someone gives up and stops responding, someone else jumps in and responds to his posts again. Even with the best intentions, some users can't be helped.

I know and the forum is big enough to have many users who will ignore or join trolling discussions. I only recommend users to do their actions individually against trollers, and that's all they can do individually. As a community, other forum members must contribute and reduce replies to trolling posts but I agree with you that it is endless. There are always shitposters who don't kind what posts or topics they are replying to. They only care of making as many posts as possible for post quota, trolling or not, it is not their concerns.

jvanname have been a long time troll in this forum right from his early stage in the forum (judging from his post history). Trolling is against the forum rules but i don't know if there is a penalty for such act but if there is, jvanname could have probably gotten a punishment for breaking one of the forum rules before now. From his previous posts that i have come across in the forum, he could be a professor in mathematics as he so claimed and i have met people in real life who are actually professors in mathematics and sometimes these people acts weird, mentally ill and sometimes suffers for amnesia (am not generalizing anyways), hence i am not surprised by jvanname's behavior in the forum.

My advice: If you see any of his post about trolling, just ignore them because if no one engages in his trolling threads he could probably get tired and stop posting but the moment you give his trolling threads attention and start making replies, it even gives him more effrontery to troll. Discard his trolling threads/posts and he will become bored 8)

It is very unfortunate there are people who obviously are in need of mental healthcare and yet, they they decide by their own will not to get help and come to place like this to showcase their delusions and problems with little filters.
If I remember correctly, he was already banned once,.but it was rather a short temporary ban.

Being realistic, even if he was banned from this place he could easily create another account to continue posting or move to a different community in order to continue to act out and allow his rage outbursts to be seen for any stranger on the internet.

If we look at all this situation from the humane perspective, it is a sad place to be and I would not wish such situation to anyone, as it seems he does not have anyone who checks on what he does...

Trolling isn't legal in the forum. Bitcointalk forum has about 745K active profiles according to BPIP, out of this huge numbers, do you expect everyone to act normally? What is not your problem shouldn't get your attention, stay away from thread not to get caught up in the midst of dirty conversations also saving your mental health.

If he receives tag notification from this topic, he will turn here into another den for troll, kindly lock the thread if he comes to save yourself from irrelevant banter.

Quote from: philipma1957 on July 01, 2025, 02:43:40 AM

my only negative trust came from him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507

I do not particularly think he is well.

Since the trust feedbacks are not moderated here, there are users who (ab)use the system like that, but one who does will end up in the ~trustlist of (DT1) users eventually those all falls under the untrusted feedbacks. Trolls' posts are not moderated unless it turn out to be threats and they just use the term 'freedom of speech' to say anything against any users. ::)

Once we set up rules on deciding on who is troll and who is not, given enough time, everybody can be seen as one. The thing is, the admin don't want to engage because no matter how retarded one's ideas are, some people might support him for the sake of supporting.

And if the admin bans the troll, then that act might be seen as a violation of free speech.

Then some people will argue against the ban and that will be seen as trolling as well. Then those supporters will get banned also.

That's what they do in other forums usually and I don't want to visit any forums that behave like that.

I think the current situation is fine. Let the crazy act crazy. Use the ignore button.

Quote from: mindrust on July 01, 2025, 05:43:04 PM

I live with the negative trust. I did not retaliate and give one back to him as I know what it is to be

suffering from delusions. I was very ill from 1981 to 1985.

Quote from: mindrust on July 01, 2025, 05:43:04 PM

I think the current situation is fine. Let the crazy act crazy. Use the ignore button.

If only it was that easily solved. I have dozens of negative trust ratings all for make believe reasons from trolls that have teamed up to get into DT. I’ve been doxxed, reported to different government agencies, my house vandalized, my family harassed… Everyone I’ve talked to about it wonders why the Administration here allows this to continue. I hope the forum does something at some point to protect users because the Default Trust system has failed miserably and at some point it crosses into negligence territory.

Quote from: OgNasty on July 02, 2025, 03:00:53 AM

Why am I still having to defend myself against this clown? I have never left negative trust for a make believe reason and I have never teamed up with anybody. My feedback on your profile is valid, as I'm sure all the others are. If you don't want to be doxxed, don't post videos of your house from your drone. If you don't want your house vandalized, stop posting pictures of all the btc you scammed. If you don't want your family harassed, stop being an asshole to everyone. And finally, if you want to hold Theymos accountable, stop play fighting.

Quote from: OgNasty on July 01, 2025, 09:23:54 PM

nobody wants to turn their nose up at that money. It is what makes the world go around after all. The mere mention of it makes me think they are just play fighting.

Finally, your approval of DT changes as often as your membership.

If anything I wrote in those paragraphs are untrue, include it in your sworn defense.

Quote from: Free Market Capitalist on June 30, 2025, 04:56:17 AM

In theory, someone who trolls is breaking rule 3 of the forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) but from what I've heard from the older folks on the site it's been a long time since it was enforced or it's only done in the most exaggerated cases.

How to define the line between a joke/sarcasm and trolling?

Quote from: jvanname on June 29, 2025, 09:13:12 PM

In my opinion, this is a direct insult, not trolling, and I believe that such unethical behavior is also unacceptable on the forum.

And it doesn’t matter whether the reason lies in a mental disorder or something else.

Quote from: m2017 on July 02, 2025, 05:24:21 PM

Quote from: Free Market Capitalist on June 30, 2025, 04:56:17 AM

How to define the line between a joke/sarcasm and trolling?

Quote from: jvanname on June 29, 2025, 09:13:12 PM

Well, insults are relatively allowed on the forum:

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 05:27:51 PM

Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

If you add to that rule 23 you can understand why such posts are not deleted.

Quote from: philipma1957 on July 01, 2025, 02:43:40 AM

my only negative trust came from him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507

I do not particularly think he is well.

He is someone I use to reply to his post and when I made a reply to end the conversation, he keeps quoting me and making me feel my point is baseless and he’s the one that’s actually right. His use of words are also not appealing to me, so I stopped commenting on his topic after also seeing many comments of other users about him having mental health issues.

I forgot about the ignore button, it will fit very well for this user.

These days, there are no more trolls . When I was new in this forum, there were many unrepentant trolls and they weren't banned for the reason of trolling, maybe for spamming.

The only medicine of trolls is to ignore them. The more you reply to a troll, the more you energize him. But the irony of the case is that, the trolls create avenue for people to complete their weekly post quota.

I also admit that trolls also play their role in keeping the forum lively. Sometimes I'll be bored and will just be searching troll threads that will lift my spirit ;D

Quote from: KingsDen on July 03, 2025, 04:45:15 PM

It sounds like you feel sorry. I can tell you about an unkillable troll who doesn't disappear from the forum; his favorite location is Russian, but you should be glad that he stopped appearing in the reputation. There used to be nominations; if one day they decide to create a similar nomination, "Best Troll of the Forum," then this will certainly excite the desire of some individuals to do nonsense, so as you say, "to revive the forum." ;D

Quote from: KingsDen on July 03, 2025, 04:45:15 PM

These days, there are no more trolls . When I was new in this forum, there were many unrepentant trolls and they weren't banned for the reason of trolling, maybe for spamming.

Gone are those days regularly abusive and toxic behaviors of users were strictly contents to justify the communities Terms of Services which are tantamount to legal actions of banning users accounts. Although it was actively a practice before I myself came in in less than 2 years ago. Unlike these days that banning accounts is more pegged on plagiarism and spamming. Obviously there's a regulatory adjustment now in considering the prompts to banning accounts.

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The only medicine of trolls is to ignore them. The more you reply to a troll, the more you energize him. But the irony of the case is that, the trolls create avenue for people to complete their weekly post quota.

Best remark of what such trolling contents impacts on users who pays them attention is that you'll also be afflicted of talking shits just to get fixed in maybe firing back to the troll. Unknowingly you sudden behave like one too. So the best to deal with them is the ignore

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I also admit that trolls also play their role in keeping the forum lively. Sometimes I'll be bored and will just be searching troll threads that will lift my spirit ;D

Somedays are like that when they also play some easing roles on handle anxieties. The forum can be hectic sometimes with the quality of contents when you step up on some worth serious cases at times.

Quote from: OgNasty on July 02, 2025, 03:00:53 AM

I hope the forum does something at some point to protect users because the Default Trust system has failed miserably and at some point it crosses into negligence territory.

The forum's ability to stop trolls is inherently limited, it always falls back to users protecting themselves. The ignore button remains one of the few reliable tools we have and the best choice in my own little suggestion.

That said, the pseudonymous nature of the forum makes accountability tough. If real world identity were tied to accounts, admins might face more pressure to act against misconduct. But in an anonymous system, trolls often thrive because there's less risk of real consequences both for them or for those enabling them.

Quote from: Pablo-wood on July 05, 2025, 02:41:21 PM

In this regard, we should encourage members for more use of the ignore button as well as the report button for trolls seen on the forum, we cant do without having them come in once a while, but when such is observed, then we acted accordingly and as appropriate.

Quote from: Pablo-wood on July 05, 2025, 02:41:21 PM

That said, the pseudonymous nature of the forum makes accountability tough. If real world identity were tied to accounts, admins might face more pressure to act against misconduct.

I may not support this, because the forum supported it for our maximum privacy which they also respected, if all we preach is about the same privacy with bitcoin, then the forum should as well be in the best position to give it as well on its users, the issue of troll should not cause us to lose on this.

Quote from: DYING_S0UL on July 05, 2025, 05:58:58 PM

Apparently, YES! Perfectly legal, I guess! Every now and then, we see trolls emerging around here. Some are pretty persistent, while others quickly loses interest and disappear for good. But now that you mention it, a question popped into my mind. Has there ever been a case on the forum where a user wwere banned because of trolling? Any of you guys have any idea? :P

How do you say it is apparently allowed while the forum rules are written as not allow troll?

I agree if you say something like troll is not allowed in this forum but this rule interpretation is too lenient towards trollers and your account won't be banned by a single troll posts or even many troll posts.

It is very big different than how plagiarism cases are handled with immediate ban in the past while in latest years it has become more lenient and softer but still applied more strictly than trolling cases.

Quote from: hd49728 on July 05, 2025, 06:12:57 PM

I meant "in a way". Even though rule number 3 clearly says no trolling, but do you think it it followed accordingly? If it were, we would have seen countless users getting banned. But personally, I haven't seen/noticed/observed users getting banned just for trolling. So in that sense I said allowed. Btw, unofficial rules, we mustn't forget that also. So, there are some level of grey areas here. My two sats...

I can't say anything about your last statement since I don't regularly follow the reputation board or plagiarism cases.

Anyway, can you point any cases where users were banned for trolling? Just curious...

Quote from: Free Market Capitalist on June 30, 2025, 04:56:17 AM

Although in this case I think it is simply someone who has mental problems, and it seems that from the forum they are quite lenient with them, as in the case of Polo7 and his multiple alts.

This will continue to be a nagging issue as it will be very difficult at what point one can draw the line between trolling and someone having mental issue? Since this is an anonymous site, we can't see people physically to judge their mental state. So, we just assume things. Anyway, like LoyceV said, even if one was insane; a forum wasn't the place to showcase one's mental problems. I agree with that.

Quote from: NotATether on June 30, 2025, 05:38:17 AM

The guy controlling the "jvanname" account (and his sockpuppet account, "Joseph Van Name Ph.D.") is clearly insane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5539386.0), so it's probably better to just put them both on Ignore.

I guess too much learning made them insane 😏

I have seen a lot of this user's (jvanname) thread and it's more than just trolling as I see it, jvanname obviously has mental disorder and he should look for help, it's very annoying seeing the way he talks to people in the forum and it seems like he doesn't have a family or friends so he is probably sad and depressed.

The rule number 3 of the forum says "no trolling" and they also didn't write down the consequences for trolling hence the reason why many trolls are yet to be banned from the forum, so OP, until the ban happens I suggest you use your ignore button on him as many users have done.

Quote from: DYING_S0UL on July 05, 2025, 05:58:58 PM

But now that you mention it, a question popped into my mind. Has there ever been a case on the forum where a user wwere banned because of trolling? Any of you guys have any idea? :P

Im also curious to know if there are massive results on ban or maybe negative red tag for being a troll in the forum. Thats actually a broad term, we cant sometimes distinguish if a user is just plainly joking or have some wits on their though but for others it is already a troll.

Not sure if anyone layout a tabulations or info on this.

Well, you did not hold back on that one ;D

By far the majority of members would agree. The one thing that is absolutely clear is that the puppeteer controlling the jvanname and Joseph Van Name Ph.D. accounts is not the real one and he probably does not even know his name is being used by a mentally unstable individual.

Quote from: NotATether on June 30, 2025, 05:38:17 AM

Actually, if you read the forum rules, then probably it wasn't necessary to create this topic. Or if you read the rules and create this thread, then your thread should be considered as a troll thread. Isn't it? Then you may defend yourself as well that this isn't a troll post, because you didn't read the rules. So what's the result? It's become complicated to decide whether your thread is a troll or not. In such a case, if someone reports to moderators, then I am pretty sure they will leave it unhandled.

The summary and your answers are that trolling is illegal as per forum rules. But it's not an easy task to moderate trolling. Due to freedom of speech on the forum, trollers are taking advantage of it. So we fight each other on the reputation board by trolling. You can't control it anyway.

It is the same with scams, they are not moderated in the forum and that has allowed some scammers with serious nefarious intent to operate freely simply because the forum rule are open. If a member finds another trolling, I suppose the appropriate course of action would be to leave a neutral tag and ignore them.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 08, 2025, 09:31:41 PM

The summary and your answers are that trolling is illegal as per forum rules. But it's not an easy task to moderate trolling. Due to freedom of speech on the forum, trollers are taking advantage of it. So we fight each other on the reputation board by trolling. You can't control it anyway.

Quote from: baneveryone on July 09, 2025, 03:17:14 AM

Thanks for all reply. So trolling is allowed in this forum, as in many members have stated that no troll has ever been banned for that misconduct. Rules mean nothing if they are not enforced.

I know of at least one troll who has earned himself a permanent ban on this forum. Goat aka El Cabron was banned back in the day before people running this site got so rich they stopped caring about it. I can think of another troll who has earned himself a permanent ban, but for some reason is still here trolling.

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