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Trump and Putin will meet on Aug 15 at a US military base in Alaska. Officially it’s about “talks” and maybe even a Ukraine ceasefire, but critics think it’s more about optics and giving Putin a stage.

Zelensky already said no deal without Ukraine at the table, so hard to see any real breakthrough here.

What do you guys think — could this actually change something, or is it just going to be another media circus?

I think that's not PR show. For me it looks that Trump really want to end his war and get Nobel Peace Prize for it. But some of his statements looks that he is living in alternative reality.
I wish that this meeting would give results, it's time to end this war. But I'm afraid that again it will end without any result. First because fate of Ukraine can't be decided without Ukraine. And also because it looks that Putin isn't ready to make any discounts on their requirements.

Hopefully, it's not. While the world needs this to happen, Ukraine needs it more if they won't cooperate. I guess Trump has already started to negotiate with Russia because with all of the penalties that have been placed on them, they need to start acting on it and just talk with the one that funds their enemy the most. When Trump wasn't in office yet, it's Russia that's shown as the evil of this war. I guess that when this talk is done, it could be reversed and it will be Ukraine that will be shown as the bad guy. But with all and such, I just want this war on these two to end and not just ceasefire for a period of time but, permanently.

I don’t think these talks will lead to anything. Trump just wants that Peace Prize for his own ego, not real change. Russians won’t stop at what they’ve taken — they’ll just regroup and start again. It’s hard to negotiate with them when they’ve got little left to lose.

They are going to talk. basically. about how to make Alaska a joint Russia/US State for further joint military protections for both the US and Russia.

Zelensky's Ukraine is not the real Ukraine. Russia is proving it by gradually taking Ukraine over, militarily. Once Z is gone, Ukraine will likely revert to some semblance of what it used to be.

Note that 3 big American companies, including Monsanto, own about 60% of Ukraine farm land. This gives Trump the duty of kicking Z out if Z will not become civil about the whole war, and stop fighting.

There are a lot of things that need to be hashed out, including who is going to replace Z. Does anybody think that Z can keep himself from being assassinated if Trump gives a nod in that direction?

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I think they are due for a talk. Trump's way of doing politics is quite personalistic.

Now, I believe that it is also PR. Proably at this point Witkoff and others have already arranged some short of deal, and now Trump meets with Putin to show as if he had made the deal himself or the like.

What the deal consists of and how likely is to be accepted by Ukraine... probably it will be unnaceptable. They speak about territory swaps and things like that without mentioning future guarantees... I see no way Zelensky can deal with that internally and Europe is unlikely to accept anything that does not provide a stable and safe framework for Europe - which is something I do not see coming from Trump.

He is willing to do anything that takes away the focus from Epstein files.

Reason why others aren't invited is that no one else will accept the terms, so any deal they will make wouldn't be valid anyway. So it's purely just a performance act.
Trump will definitely lie that he solved the issue, because he is obsessed with a nobel prize, but it's going to be just a show.

Or other way i can see this going is that Trump is willing to bribe Putin in some way that he can keep his face. One scenario would be USA leaving NATO, and removing sanctions, so that Putin has time to lick his wounds and prepare for next invasion.

I don't think there is going to be any serious peace talks on the table. I rather lean on the possibility of Putin using Trump to give himself some façade of power over the west the western politics. Ukraine was purposely left out the room because Putin considers The United States to be the biggest reason why Ukraine has managed to survive the Russian aggression for so long.
Putin is counting on being able to manipulate Trump into not longer providing assistance for Ukraine, while Trump will try to trust his abilities as a business person to get something which give him as many political points as possible before the people of the USA, and the west in general.

The meeting is about this issue, unless he a start discussion about giving back Alaska. Trump would sell his own Grandma for money.
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Trump having a B-2 bomber fly overhead when he meets Putin is such a BDE move. It’s almost unreal having a President will balls after the Biden Administration. So thankful.

Good stunt. However, I would not call anything before we know more about the content of the "chats". You may have to perform some argumentative contortions and tight-rope walking if Trump, with all his balls, hands half of Ukraine to Putin for nothing.

So yes, I am goint to quote you on this one, just to make sure.

Very nice aircraft. Also quite expensive to fly, particularly the bomber... an expensive stunt.

Trump doesn't care about Europe neither about Ukraine in particular. All what he want to do is to reach some achievement in foreign policy to cover his failure inside the US. See the results of local opinion polls and how his popularity has declined due to the economic downturn and successive crises. By playing a major role in conflict regions arround the world, he may recover his popularity for the rest of his mandate.

I think they are making a deal that Alaska will become a joint Russia/US State... an easy way to further future negotiations. Alaska is easily reached over the arctic by Putin. Trump can easily get there over land.

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A [bad] PR show. Where was Zelensky?
Thousands protesting with flags in solidarity with Ukraine made me smile;-)

Trump could have stopped this from escalating months ago by keeping --the worlds-- promise to protect Ukraine's sovereignty  (made decades ago when the USSR fell).

These "strongmen" in power are not a good sign for the liberty of people everywhere.

though not much was said in the stage event of 2 presidents at the podium, mostly it was platitudes, so appears as a waste of time of just flirting to each other on camera. but obviously what was not said in the secret talks may be enough to prompt zelekski to meet with putin to put this stuff to rest

putin did admit that he wants to offer trade routes and access to the alaska/arctic path between russia and america. so i can see they probably done a deal that if war stops, america will be buying russian fossil fuels via the alaskan passage, however this could be putins tactic to keep trump passive and not send the b-2's over russian oil fields. but nothing was really said about what zelenski would get out of a deal(land rights of eastern ukraine/western russia).. so it all could just be a PR stunt of putin and trump making friendly gestures and flirtations towards each other

trump did say after the meet-up he would call zelenski straight away, so trump might have some concessions russia made towards ukraine for trump to announce to ukraine, so we should have news shortly of results of that phone call

The message is that Russia will not relinquish the territories it has captured through war. Putin is moving forward with a long-term war strategy. Trump considers himself a peace envoy to keep the world free from war, but he is arming and financially supporting Ukraine. He is pressuring NATO to give more weapons to Ukraine, asking European countries to provide financial and military support.

Although the ceasefire proposals are late, they make sense, although the world wants peace and millions of people have lost their lives, how many children have lost their fathers and become orphans, many sisters have lost their brothers. War is destroying the lives of our children, the new generation is emptying our souls and going to God before the world understands anything.

Trump, i give you 50 day ultimatum, then the ultimatum reduced to 10 or 12 days, sanctions and sanctions
Reality, US soldiers on there knies rolling and straightening out the red carpet for the great friend
The meeting, as expected a nothing burger

Trump, time and time again with the handshake of the defeated humiliated
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BDE move?
I personally call it an "unwise" move. You have a peace deal to broker but then you go on to flex your weapons on the day of negotiations/talks. What a great way of trying to convince an egomaniac to stop a war  ;D

You people really think Putin is that stupid?

I think the world has forgotten how recently in history the nuclear arms race had to be put to an end, what it took to get there and what it takes to keep us from the brink.
Either one of these egotistical men have more than enough to destroy the world many times over ---> AND are continuously cultivating their minds to justify it.

To put it crudely in the men's vernacular of "mine is bigger than yours": flying a bomber over that meeting was a small floppy dick move.

When Ukraine gave up it's nuclear weapons to cede from the fallen USSR, the world promised to protect its sovereignty.
Failing to do that  -from- the - start- has began to leave cracks open for the "strongmen" of the world to exploit.

Yeah... Putin was welcomed not like war criminal, more like Trump's friend or partner. Any Western leaders didn't got such welcome by Trump. And looks that only winner of this meeting is Putin. Where all these promised ultimatums, sanctions and etc?
Putin got what he wanted. According to recent rumours, they agreed that Ukraine should cede remaining part of Donbas to Russia and then Russia will stop offense in South - Zaporizhia and Kherson. What a great deal!
Offcourse that Zelensky won't agree with this.

More or so with the ongoing genocide of Palestinians by Israel, backed by the same United States of America and Donald Trump, and they think they have a leverage over Putin or perhaps they think he doesn't know what is going on?
If Trump is so serious about peace, left him stop funding the murderers and also stop that Middle East massacre ASAP, otherwise that he is doing is just "PR"

I think Zelensky may agree, but probably not to hand over any territory, just accepting the control zones as they are.

Let me give you my ratioinale:

- This may be accepted as a de-facto situation, not recognising the borders or the legality.
- This may be accepted under pressure by the current US President - depending on how that pressure looks like.
- There may be conditions about prisoners, children and other matters.

You loose a lot, and it is not fair and it should not be profitable to invade - so morally, it is unacceptable. However, you keep Ukraine, you still have your choice of government and there is a good chance of creating a proper defence agreement with Europe - sufficient for Ruzzia to think twice about further adventures (anyway Putin is getting old).

Depending on other conditions such as army limitations, security and free choices for Ukranians, this may be the best option available as of now.

There is no talk about recognizing occupied territories as part of Russia officially. Just de facto, no de jure. I think that Zelensky may agree to froze conflict at current front line. But I don't see him to agree leaving whole Donbas to Russia. They would have to withdraw troops from cities like Kramatorsk, Slovyansk, Pokrovsk. They were holding these cities for so long. They were in conflict zone since the beginning in 2014.
Initially before mmeting Trump talked about territory exchanges between Ukraine and Russia. But now we have situation where only Ukraine would have to give away their territory, while Russia just would stop offensive in South without giving any territorial discounts.

I agree, giving away territory is probably out of the question. The current defensive line of those localities is something that Ukraine needs for current and future defence. It is a deterrent in itself. Freezing the current line, with minor interchanges to avoid dividing cities and stuff like that may be possible.

The most important part of any deal is what is not quite known yet. The security guarantees that Ukraine needs.

For Putin to honor Trump's visit to Alaska, that means the deal will lead to a positive outcome. Putin and Trump wouldn't meet over nothing meaningful without a good outcome. We saw the way Trump invited Zelensky to the white house just to bash him to draw Putin's attention. I think that paid out for Trump to win Putin over because if it were Biden, Putin wouldn't honor his visitation, the war between Ukraine and Russia would be escalating. But with this meeting, we look forward to complete ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine

Are you kidding me? Have you paid any attention to this? I mean good outcome for whom? Trump openly sides with Putin and says that peace is up to Zelenskyy surrendering now. I mean you posted this today, so have you read the news about this today?

Or how would you like a deal where guy from another country makes a deal with your neighbor, that he can take over half of your house, and it's now up to you to honor this deal. Putin hasn't done anything to de-escalate the situation. Neither has Trump.

The meeting was more like a date or the moneymaster summon the apprentice. (Lol thinking back, six times bankrupt and teaching how its done  ;D)

China at this stage could invade Russia without shooting, simple manpower would overrun eastern Russia.
Russia now lost 4000 tanks have no more meaningful airdefence and a train from Moscow takes a week to bring reenforcement  and supply.
One single saboteur could even stop that lifeline.

The date was intended to shape a narrative, mediapower. (It was a fake Putin anyway)
https://youtu.be/gInFfkaayJI

It's funny that Putin, who knows he can't take over Ukraine because he's out tanks and can only move forward by meters with large loss of men and equipment, still demands the same things. Terms that Ukraine cannot meet, like giving away all the occupied territories. They could give Russia Crimea, which they took over so long ago that it doesn't really matter, but Putin is greedy. He wants to show his people that all the losses were worth it because he won something for Russia.

IMO they are not going to get anywhere with such demands, especially when we all see satellite images. We know that Putin is out of vehicles and his refineries are burning. He should take anything he can get at this point.

It's funny that Putin, who knows that he can wipe Ukraine out in a day, with Oreshnik and now with Burevestnik, sits around and plays the game like he can't win any faster than he is winning.

Btw, Oreshnik and Burevestnik barely have anything that can stop them anywhere in the world. And if you add all the nukes in subs, Russia would own the world if she only took action.

Gotta get into the mind and spirit of Russians and Putin to see why they just don't take over the world.

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The world already knows better unlythose who only chooses to act ignorant of what's really going on in the middle east and eastern europe. Lots of people still doesn't know that israel committed a lot of genocide and are still doing same till date on gaza and funny enough they are backed by this very united states of america and not just trump because different adminstration has been doing exactly the same thing to the people of gaza. Since all these years, no sanction on israel but they were so quick to sanction russia after they invaded ukraine three years ago. We know better why they are sanctioned russia and we know almost exactly why putin is fighting them.

Yep. Either whatever was discussed with Putin has been previously discussed with EU / UK and Ukraine behind the scenes and discretly or the deal would need to be imposed by the US upon a number of countries - not just Ukraine, but all EU.

Trump is willing to play hard, but imposing a deal that is unacceptable to Ukraine and Europe would be considered nearly an adversarial move, rather than what you'd expect from trading partners and culturaly close liberal democracies. Trump is all about displaying force in public, but even he may understand that the US strenght is large but not unlimited.

One of the keys is how much of a real, physical and internationally commited security guarantee does Ukraine get. Anything like we pause the war but we can go again at any moment means that it is better then to keep the fight now that Ruzzia is in a worse position.

The personalities that can end the Russia and Ukraine war is Putin and Zelenskyy, not Trump with what he decides or from sanctions he orders. If Putin and Zelenskyy will be willing to sincerely concede those contending territories and give way to a no loser no vanquish solution, the Russia and Ukraine war will die a natural death. 

This sounds impossible and impracticable due to the tied interest from both ends of the warring nations but it's the only rationale to peace been a reality. Several meetings by Trump hosting Zelenskyy or Putin won't end the situation as these meetings are mostly closed  with a PR view.

What are you even talking about? We all know what using a nuclear weapon would mean globally, not to mention that he doesn't have the authority to give the order himself. He'd need the support of the Parliament and he's not going to get that because nobody wants to start a global nuclear war. Do you think a nuclear genocide in Ukraine would end at that? Nobody would respond and just let the contaminated air and water flow through Europe and the Black Sea?

BA is always speaking of nukes and thinks that a ballistic missile is something exceptional - yes, that is technology from 60 years ago, he just discovered it exists.

Putin has nothing to win from a nuclear escalation - compared that what he may loose like a full NATO involvement and probably a coup and himself killed. That is why that escalation has not happened. It is that simple.

A Trump 2028 hat ---> I cannot with our current storyline it's  ::) worthy except that he means it. No Kings in America ;-)

I do not think is going to be as simple as that. While Europe cannot replace fully the US support to Ukraine, there has been plenty of EU money for that purpose. And there can be more and perhaps enough to make things difficult for Ruzzia for a long time.

If Trump wants to get to be a candidate to the Nobel price - which is all his aim if we are honest - he will need to make sure Europe feels there's enough security for the future. I am inclined to think that Europe needs to be nearly self sufficient in defence for the future.

TPTB would like to see OBAMA back for 2028 so maybe the maga muggles will get the opposite of what they hoped for if daddy manages to convince everybody it's a good idea.

If your president had what he doesn't really have, then he would end the war in 24 hours, as he promised. Instead, he invites a man accused of war crimes to the US and welcomes him with all state honors, and at the same time tells Ukraine that it must give up its territory in order for peace to come.

It is not a contribution to peace, as he wants to show it, but a legitimization of the aggressor country and its actions in the past 3+ years. Ukraine and most EU countries were appalled by the show, but that's nothing new from your kitchen - the guarantees given by the US are obviously worthless, because if you had fulfilled the ones you gave in 1994, then this war would not have happened.

Better still, let him go to Moscow and broker the peace deal and end the war. Let him also call out Benjamin Netanyahu and his pack of murders right away, stop supporting them and sanctions them as soon as possible. Now that will be a BDE move, not just selectively picking some show of aircraft in his own State  ;D

Zelensky is still seen as a boy in the game of international politics and what many are saying is he's capitalising on the men behind the scenes who are using him as a stooge to achieve whatever their motives are. Zelensky is not really a seasoned politician but a smart young man who used what he have which was popularity at a time to get what he wanted which was power. Because he's not a seasoned politician, he might not know the best way to hand issues deplomatically and bring a lasting solutions to a country that brought all its supports and voters to bring him to power.

This is why I feel even Donald Trump was bold enough to put him on a hot seat and to subsequently embarrass him in front of the press and spoke to him anyhow without much courtesy. Anyone who was expecting Trump to act the same way to Mr. Putin is only thinking of the impossible because the president of Russia is a seasoned politician and military man who's known as one of the most powerful leader in the world. Trump won't try to do anything disrespectful towards him.

Trump has looked at history. He has seen that since before the Bolshevik Revolution, the West was trying to take over Russia for their land.

Stalin made Russia strong even if he did it in some really bad ways.

In 1991 Russia broke up the USSR to give the people freedom, in return for no further movements of the West towards Russia. Ukraine is the West breaking those agreements.

The Alaska meeting was a method for Putin to show Trump that he wants peace, but is not joking about will happen if there is further movement against Russia from the West.

The reason why Trump likes Putin is, Putin is laying it right out in the open. This is something that the western banking systems are not doing.

Western Europe and the banking systems are moving ahead with Bolshevik-Revolution-like activities to steal Russia from the Russians and take over the world.

The meeting clarified this for Trump (he had to fight them in and out of government), and he finally realizes that Russia and America are on the same page.



Got inflation where you live in the West? It's your banking system trying to conquer you that is doing it... attempting to take over the world. Wanna send more money to Ukraine but Trump is stopping you? Take out all the loans from banks that you can, because loans are creations of new money, much of which winds up in the hands of Zelensky through the Federal Reserve Bank owners.


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He will meet with the black devil himself if it is in his interest, because he is simply a man who sees everything through business - and Ukraine is just business for him and a man whom he values ​​immensely, regardless of the fact that the majority of the civilized world already puts him in the same category as Hitler, Milosevic, Stalin and similar inhumans.

A man who extends his hand to such a non-man cannot even be a man himself - not to mention the genocide that Israel is carrying out in Gaza with the full support of the same US president who thinks he already deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

But after they bought the Nobel Prize to Obama, it wouldn't be surprising if they secure it for another president - who knows, maybe they have some kind of subscription to the Nobel Prizes - money can buy anything except that I will never again believe that honest people sit on the Nobel committee.

All those wars are actually business if you indeed critically look into them especially that one in Palestine.
There is a lot of money exchanging hands over those arms deals and the Aid that is now controlled by Israel instead of the Humanitarian organizations

Documentaries like this have a lot of truths in them: How the military-industrial complex captured US democracy | Business of War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVYTb85_dZw&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish)

Fuck the Nobel Prizes, they mean nothing to the oppressed and starving civilians.

The meeting between Trump and Putin seems to me to be a very important event, but I don't know how much the relationship between America and Russia will improve because of this meeting. I have seen many such meetings before with different enemies or superpower countries. The results of this have never been good. For the past few years, Ukraine and Russia have been at war. America has directly helped and supported them with weapons and money. Now, Putin and Donald Trump have met again. Maybe the war has stopped. But what I think is that America always goes to one country to save its own interests by starting a war with another country or by starting a riot. If they cannot directly suppress a superpower country, they create trouble in that country through other countries. As I have seen, America may not have gained much from the war in Russia and Ukraine. That is why Trump is thinking of meeting with Putin to establish a new relationship.

This is very hilarious I can't stop laughing and if this is the perception that other world leaders have about Trump, then it's quite unfortunate. It means that other people's opinions don't count and what is the need of calling for a meeting when he has already decided by himself what he intends to do. I don't quite think that Trump, is like that, he probably puts the interest of America, first in any peace or economic meetings with foreign leaders. My concern regarding the series of meetings regarding this Ukraine, war is on the ordinary citizens that are suffering. i hope to see a meeting that can truly bring the war to an end.

The revolution was due to WW I in which Germany + othes invaded Ruzzia. The rest of the "west" were allies of Ruzzia.


Gorvachov broke partially the USSR because they collapsed economically. It was not a "deal", it was a collapse.



The Alaska meeting has resulted in better arming and less restrictions for Ukraine. Other than that, it achieved nothing.



The revolution changed the Tzars for the Politburo. Ruzzia kept being Ruzzia and even expanded later in WW II and the invasion of Findland by Ruzzia (you probably have forgotten, the Finns have not).


You got bitcoin for all that.

Let's just get back a few years in time, when Trump made that "historic" meet up with Kim Jong-un. Did it stop North Korea from producing nuclear weapons? No it didn't.

People tend to forget so fast, but this is the same old bullshit we are going through again, and it certainly involves some PR show or some dick measuring contests. The world is evolving real fast and more nations are realizing that the US and most of the West are not as peaceful as they claim to be.

So most of the rest of the world wants out, away from the western control and propaganda.