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I've just received this pm from a newbie. I have no intention of selling my account, and I'm not sure if I should report the user. What is the current attitude towards selling accounts? especially if the account is for a merit source. I've given him a negative trust entry. Should I do anything else?

To anybody else considering an attempt to purchase any of my accounts - I don't support account trading. if you want promotion, then you should earn it by supporting the forum.

Forum allows it but account sale is discouraged as the new owners can use bought accounts for launching scam projects or send scam offers to forum community members.

You already tagged the account and the remaining thing you can do is reporting it to forum moderator. You are hesitating to do report, perhaps it is a newbie account, but why don't report it?

Moderator will handle your report and ban or nuke that newbie account.

The user who sent the message definitely have ill intention for such offer and will definitely abuse this forum if he succeeds in buying account of a merit source. Although there is no substantial evidence that the user will do what I have outline but since you are a merit source, any offer that states that they can pay high amount to buy account of a merit source simply means the purpose would be to use the account to farm other accounts.

Moderator can not do anything with the person. The account can not be banned. The main really for account ban on this forum is plagiarism or after warning from something like spamming.

It is good how Jet Cash has given the account a negative trust, although I think that may an alt of someone.

Report the unsolicited message to the moderators. I believe that user could be attempting to send that similar message to other users. And the let us know who is that sending such messages. DT members still tag/flag account sellers as they can not be trusted.

It can be banned for sending unsolicited messages.

I checked the accounts history, it registered since 2019 and nothing but just a shit loaded user drowning off on the bounty session of the forum.. he had the nerve though.

For a user of your reputation on the forum, what does he think he could offer? I think he should be reported so he doesn't end up spamming other users pm with shitty messages like he did with yours.

Permanent ban is a most possible consequence for that newbie account.

With many accounts run account sales with red tags and permanent bans, I think more about this consequence than an account nuke. Account nuke is possible only if that newbie account did some other things which break other forum rules too like spam, spread malwares for example.

If it is only account sale activities and unsolicited PMs, a permanent ban is most likely punishment.

According to the forum rules, rule number 18 stated that account sales is allow, but it's discouraged. As for me the newbie that sent you that pm that if you want to sell your account since you're not too active in the forum that the their company is ready to pay any amount. if you ask me I will say that the newbie account doesn't have a genue plan, he or she have a bad intention for trying to purchase a legendary account that have been in the forum for years, means that he or she want to use that account to scam other users in the forum, because it will be more easier for the person to use a reputable member account that have been in the forum for years to scam people, because if a reputable member is proposing a business deal to others users they will easily want to accept the business deal since it's a reputable member that is proposing the business deal.

Little did he know if there are many high suspicion and detective accounts in this forum. ;D

The popular the user, the higher chance of getting caught. Even full member account, not DT member and merit source can get caught of changed hands.

Imagine if we see a thread in shitcoin board created by @Jet Cash. :D

How is it unsolicited?

Account sales are allowed but it is discouraged and of which it should be discouraged. So what did the newbie do wrong that his account should be banned?

I do not think the account will be banned. But what that is important is the red feedback that he has received. That is enough.

The red feedback will discourage others from doing the same with a reputed account.

Too much punishment for an uncertain case. The negative tag is enough from a DT user. The account is much less of a value now anyway. And it is used only for bounties participation. The pm sounds like trolling anyway.

Why do I always have the feeling these newbie accounts offering to buy the accounts of veteran members like you are also known members of this forum cloaking their intentions behind an alt account. Nevertheless the fact is what they really intend to buy is your reputation and not necessarily the account it self.

The reason you may wonder so much why they wish to pay such huge amounts for an account  is because they already have a glimpse of how much more they'll make if they use that account to milk people that trust you.

If you want, you can report the PM as unsolicited, I mean, the guy basically gave you a "sales pitch" on wanting to buy your account(which I think is inappropriate to do, but it depends from person to person, tho). If you don't want to do that, then the negative tag you left is enough, but maybe put this thread as a reference link on the negative tag you gave to him.

No No No! I respect and cherish my bitcointalk forum account so much. I have exploit carriers and installed documentations here while my account profile have some informations of my Privacies all the while since you can not delete the memory in the forum.
I don't even think about sell this pride of being a user of this potential network. So anyone doing it for all that crap more 0's $ don't have Ego's out of their Pride's if they truly understands the consequences of breaking a rule in security terms.

DON'T SELL YOUR PROFILE! CONSIDER FUTURE EFFECTS AND INTEGRITY.

He probably couldn't afford it anyway, as I own the .com domain name to go with it, so it's a long term keeper for me. I've got 4 or 5 alts, and I won't be selling those either. Fit to Talk for example, and that was based on an old project I started here.

Once I've sorted out the current transitions in my life, I'll be back here again. Especially in view of all the political nonsense that is happening in the UK right now.

The fact that they require a reputable account shows all these were just things they set in place for their business scam attempts because a trustworthy company doesn't have to grow their account to a reputable state before starting promotion. Most of the reputable company here started from newbie and are still growing.

Anything of aside is trying to aid scam.

Do you even know the meaning of Unsolicited?

For your information, it means not invited or not asked!

So if the user you quoted used the word unsolicited DMs he is even more right that you're!

Furthermore, since Jet Cash never asked for PMs or create any thread or mention such a thing anywhere that he is willing to sell his account then it's an unsolicited PMs which is even one big red flag and can be worth banning!

The forum has a restriction on how many PMs a newbie account can send and Unsolicited PMs is one of the reasons.

So next time use Google to know the meaning of a word before you respond. period.

It's just a Newbie, he's tagged, move on. It's been years since I've had a request to buy Merit or my account, so at least those PMs aren't widespread.

For the users who say selling accounts is allowed:
That implies it's not allowed to sell the account itself either.

No you shouldn't do anything else just ignore that newbie, his/her PM doesn't mean anything at all and it's better to just put such user's on your Ignore list. You're one of the most reputed members of the forum with senior age and such a newbie doesn't even deserve any response from your side. Just ignore him!  :)

It would be better you report the user who sent you such pm to the moderator so that he wouldn't for any day reason to send you such pm again or if tempo ban is issued to him after the restrictions he would never think of sending out such pm to any higher profile user here again.

From my observation it's obviously that the user is targeting reputable account to purchase maybe to scam people over here, and this could be similar person who sent out pm to one reputable member here as well to purchase his account. Usually, account trade is extremely dangerous as we can't factor out what they had in mind to do with the account, it could be evil activity or to lure people into something else think it was the original owner who is operating the account.

Honestly, I don’t think the person who sent you that PM is a genuine newbie at all. For someone to boldly approach not just a Legendary but also a merit source with such a request, it shows they already know very well how things work around here. The line “our company is ready to pay any high demand” is not the kind of thing you would expect from an innocent newcomer, it’s a desperate and calculated offer that can only point to ulterior motives if you ask me.

In my view, this is an attempt to secure an account for purposes that are very likely unlawful or harmful to the forum. Since the account has been tagged already, that I think is enough punishment for a "newbie".

If you do not want someone to send you PM anymore, you can go to Profile -> Personal Message Options to add the user to your Ignorelist. Once the user has been added to your Ignorelist, the person will not be able to send you personal messages on this forum anymore.

About reporting the person to a moderator, I have gave my own opinion, it is highly unnecessary and the person will not be banned because he did nothing against any of the forum rules.

Often we have seen account sellers post for account sales either on the forum or outside of the forum. But it's the first time I've seen something request to buy an account that is a merit source and a DT member as well. The community, especially a few DT members, don't like account trading anyway, though the forum rules just discourage it. If I find account trading most of the time, I tag both seller and buyer as well.

Since you tagged it, it's fine; you can report to admin, though, and then the account will be banned. Also, banning newbies' accounts or tagging them won't be very beneficial at all, because they could create another account. But once tagged or banned, they will definitely realise this behaviour isn't accepted by the community. Since merit sales isn't allowed for merit source, means he can't sale the account though forum don't prevent a general users account sale.

I don't want to block messages from newbies, as I believe that established members should be prepared to help newcomers to the world of Bitcoin. However, I think that there are many other members here who are better informed than I am. I have a very traditional English attitude to banking and society. My attitude is that Bitcoin is the modern equivalent of gold coins, and most of my knowledge and experience is centred around that. I'm not the best person to help with technical problems. Most of my messages seem to be a request to review newbie posts, and I think that is a form of soliciting for merit, and I usually just ignore them.

I do feel guilty that as a merit source, I'm not awarding many merits these days, and I apologise to the forum for this. I'm now 83, and as I have hit middle age, I'm aware that I need to resolve some issues that I have ignored for over 30 years. I'm doing that, but it takes up a lot of time. Hopefully I will be able to spend more time in the forum soon, and I will be able to discuss the political implication surrounding the use of Bitcoin.

AFAIK theymos have removed some inactive sources, although he also add some new sources too. Since theymos didn't remove you from merit source, I think you're doing well and you're still deserved to be a merit source.

You're ignoring issues for over 30 years? it's about health I guess, take care of yourself first, then the forum.

Honestly it just surprising to see 83 years old person is still active in this forum. ;D

Account sellers or buyers are not too stupid and they don't use their main accounts as Hero or Legendary to deal with account sales or purchases.

Like this case, it's a newbie account and red tags don't harm the person anything as only a useless newbie account becomes more uselesss, but nothing more severe than that.

It's common to see people who run such business creating new accounts for making threads, sending PMs because they know what they will get later by forum moderators or community members (red tags).

Losing control over your own account is stupid. You may need it in the future, for many reasons. If someone wants to sell some account, it is much more profitable to sell only posting space. Which means for example publishing things, written by someone else, if you consider them valuable. In that way, you can still control your account, and the "buyer" can remain pseudonymous, and use your account as a proxy to share some content.

Because there are some anonymous individuals, who have brilliant ideas. They don't care about merits, but they care about publishing their content. And then, if done properly, you can fill their needs, without losing control over your account. And usually, you can get a lot of merits from these posts, if they are written by some great hackers.

For example, now I received some unpublished drafts about DLEQ proofs, and something about getting started with RIPEMD-160 analysis. But the time delay to publish it didn't expire yet. And also, I need to do some stylometry on top of it, to properly hide the original author, by rewriting some parts of that with my own words, or make it more similar to the style, used by other people from this forum.

Judging by that history, you had much less luck than me. It is hard to find good content makers, and this user is definitely not one of them.

Selling merits is clearly against the rules. Even doing things, that would be perceived as if some merits were sold, is very suspicious, and can put sources in trouble (negative feedback, losing rights to create merits out of thin air, and other punishments can be applied).

That's why it is much better to sell the posting space. Then, you have always full control, and you can reject any draft, which would be below some quality standards.

Nice! That kinda proves my point, that after becoming Legendary, there is not much more to achieve. And it is usually a good idea, to start from Newbie again, and to build the whole reputation from scratch. Maybe all Legendary accounts should have "make me newbie" button, to solve it? Or, if that's not going to be implemented, then it may still be done at 1st of April in the future, just as some kind of social experiment.

True, but it doesn't block sources from selling their posting space. Because by having influence over the content, which is posted by some source, doesn't allow you to send any merits from such account. And because having alt-account, or posting someone else's content is not against the rules, then selling posting space alone is not restricted.

Also, if someone will buy just a posting space, then all merits will be received by the account owner anyway, and the buyer won't get a single merit out of it (also because he may not have any account at all). Which also means, that some sources can remain hidden in that way, when they spend their month allocation, but they receive enough merits, to avoid being detected as sources (because if you don't send more than half of what you received, then you can't be outed as a source that easily, and you can delay your coming-out).

It depends mainly on your traffic. If if is low enough, then you can enable messages from newbies, and you can always turn it off, if there will be too many spammers, or only block those, who will send too many messages.

It was good that you rejected the offer and gave entry of depreciation of the trust. Selling accounts is strictly against rules since it is generally bad idea and this is due to numerous reasons. It breaks trust of community because new entity has not gained their reputation. It is also considerable security risk to buyer and seller and is against rules which can result in ban to both parties. It most importantly hurts merit system which is made in such a way that it rewards individuals based on their contributions to workforce. Most appropriate thing to do is to report message and the user to moderator. Your blunt answer is evidence that you think that you deserve status through hard work.

The fact that the offer to buy should not be discussed so much is already clear; what is not clear is how stupid you have to be to buy an account from a person who is literally special. He does not participate in signature companies and writes in a very peculiar way, not hiding his age or country. His posts are interesting in terms of the history of his personal life. Wouldn't there be people on the forum who would not see the changes, assuming that the sale would take place? It's hard for me to imagine any kind of deception that Jet Cash could come up with that wouldn't immediately make everyone suspect something out of the ordinary about his behavior.

Sometimes it seems to me that you need to deal with scammers in the same way, that is, use their own methods towards them.

1. How does account selling work?
2. Why buy an account?
3. How do you evaluate a price for selling an account?

By the way Jet Cash, I am not sure about the tag, even though I like your decision to leave negative feedback. If account selling is permitted, then I guess tagging the other part is "wrong"?

I don't understand at all why anyone would want to buy a BTT account from someone like the OP? Given his writing style and lack of participation in sig campaigns, it's hard for me to imagine that such an account would be useful for anything. I can only conclude that the potential buyer is an extremely stupid person who does not understand that having such an account is more of a problem than a benefit.

OP is lucky to have received a PM from a beginner, unlike me who once received a PM from a Legendary member who naively believed some fool on Telegram that I wanted to buy his account. Luckily for me, I got help from a good global mod who helped me prove that I had nothing to do with it.

Scamming isn't against forum rules either, but deserves red tags. Account selling often leads to scamming, which is why some people tag them for it.

@Shibbir983 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2689748) This person sent PM and offered to sell the account, this is definitely wrong. Because this is a reprehensible act and crime, the negative tag he gave to Jet Cash is definitely deserved for his work. And this new person is definitely a suitable punishment, I definitely support this punishment.

If scam aren't moderated why is account selling is permitted?
I think both should work together, no selling of accounts and no scamming, is this too hard for the forum to implement?
Sincerely, there should be some sets of rules to governed the forum, so that account seller and scammers would definitely have a place to belong than just giving them tags for their offense. I believe that since they knew that their offense could only be tag they wouldn't mind keep repeating it with another profile or still sending out same like messages to other since there is no much penalty towards their acts and actions on sending out such messages in request to purchase account.

I have always said that I haven't seen a rule that is as controversial as the merit selling rule ;D. To think about it, since merit selling is allowed, Jet Cash is wrong by tagging the account. But in the other hand, how will Jet Cash discourage merit trading if he didn't do anything to the account. This is where the controversy is.

In this case, the safest thing for Jet Cash to do is to report the pm as unsolicited and they will likely be nuked if a few more people send the same report. But then, what does a newbie account need a reputable legendary account for? For promotion or scamming? To earn undeserved feedbacks? So, it is also not out of place for the newbie to receive a red tag.

This is pretty much what I was going to say... As a native English speaker in the literal sense of the term for longer than most (all) of us have been alive, Jet Cash has a sophisticated writing style that can't be imitated. Its pure delusion on the part of the account buyer to think they could post more than a few days with this account before it was noticed it had become retarded.

BTW, use of the term "dear" is prominent among a couple of international locales on the forum, which coincidentally, tend to have little reservation when it comes to engaging in this particular kind of deceit.

Anyway, we value your presence here on the forum Sir Jet Cash & look forward to your full return.

I think this are one of the reasons why when someone voluntarily retired in this community, many reputable forum users tag the account neither with negative trust or neutral, it's obvious that the intentions of the newbie that pm op is not to use the account for good intentions, I assume that the intentions maybe to use the account and scam people in forum as the account is a reputable account

I suspected that for a newbie to pm you, the right owner of the newbie account is a member of this forum who has reached up to rank of legendary, for it have notice that op is inactive for sometimes I believed that the owner of the newbie account is an active member, secondly, it maybe that they have attempted to hack the account but it wasn't possible for them.

The new user's intentions are unknown,and it's possible they want the account for illicit purposes.Their high-demand approach suggests desperation, which could indicate plans for scams or account farming.In my opinion,the negative trust entry given to the newbie is sufficient punishment.According to Forum Rule No 18, account sales are allowed but discouraged.Rather than a permanent ban,I suggest leveraging this negative trust as a learning experience for other newbies who might consider buying accounts.This way, they can learn to build their own accounts instead.

I have the feeling that whoever is behind that account does not have good intentions. For an account trade to go on, isn't the owner of the account supposed to declare his intentions to sell his account, giving interested persons the opportunity to express their desire to buy the account? It is suspicious for a stranger to pm members here with unsolicited offers when those members have no intentions of selling their accounts.

I do not like the fact that account sales is allowed in this forum; such trades which are usually done behind the scenes can become a threat to other members of the forum if the buyer has ulterior motives.

Well, such an account can be used to make way more than what people are currently getting from signature campaigns. Jet Cash's account means someone who may control it could easily get support from the OG's because he's among the top and highly reputed senior members of the forum.

I believe such a reputed member could easily get loans without any need of collateral and that might be the reason why that newbie who might be a scammer was trying to buy Jet Cash's account.

Such scammers don't really have anything with signature campaigns as it's a tough job for them to write valuable and quality content, and they only know how to scam others.

In all likelihood it would be immediately apparent that the account changed hands. The only old accounts where its hard to tell they changed hands are the ones that were shitposters to begin with. So I wouldn't say he would "easily get support from the OGs."


Yes I think there is a much bigger chance that a new owner could get away with doing something like this instead of enrolling in a sig campaign. But hopefully a lender would do due diligence & make them sign a message as requesting a loan would be pretty uncharacteristic of Jet Cash.

You forgot one small detail: the buyer offers to pay "any high price." How much should an account of a person like Jet Cash cost, and how much should you take out as a loan after that? It is already clear that this request will attract attention.

Thanks to everybody for their replies in this thread. It reminds me that my account is an unused asset, and I really ought to do something to take advantage of this. I have rented my signature in a porn forum in the past, and I even registered the domain BigSig.com to maximise this. However, most of the campaigns in signatures here are for gambling sites or exchanges. I have promoted casinos in the past, and I picked up a whale, and I made around £2,500 per month for six months. I was earning 25% of his losses, and it made me realise the damage that online gambling can do to the lives of gamblers. I've also sold so-called health products, and my biggest earner was selling "manhood enhancers" on a Chinese site. I think those were a waste of money, as most of the active ingredients are available in supermarkets at a far lower cost. Still, at least those had some minor general health benefits for people taking them.
So what ought I to do to utilise my sig. I've always felt that a YouTube channel from an 83 year old digit nomad might have some appeal, especially if it was created by a Bitcoin enthusiast with a politically incorrect opinion of World governments. If I created this channel, and I promoted Bitcoin Talk in the comments, would the forum feel that I could promote that directly in my signature, or should i promote it indirectly through a personal hosted domain?

I'm of the opinion that possibly an attempt could've been made to hack that account without success before they approached you. Maybe changing or fortifying your password won't be out of order now.

Even if the account is banned, it's inconsequential to the user as it's a newbie account. It's as worthless as a toilet paper. However, the said "buyer" account is only a newbie account by rank, not by registration anyway. It registered in this forum in 2019. So, it's not really newbie in the true sense of it.

There's a reason mods don't like bothering themselves with newbie accounts. They don't worth much to inflict heartache or regret of action on the user. Once nuked, the user just move on and creates another one(s). Trust me, that's surely an alt account. The user dare not use their original account to do that because they know the repercussions of their action.

maybe, maybe not, there's only one way to find out.

as far as i know, you can promote whatever you want in your signature, directly or indirectly, as long as it's not malware, a phishing link or something banned by the forum. (someone correct me if i'm wrong)

A negative trust rating will not harm this company, since the newbie account is just a disposable mask for them. The company itself and the accounts associated with them need to be "painted". But how do know?

It seems to me that if you hypothetically imagine that your account was in someone else's hands (for any possible reasons), it could very quickly become known, since the posting style of other people would be very different from yours. Although, with the use of AI there is a chance to "outsmart" the vigilant readers of your posts.

These days one can build a large viewership showing just anything on YouTube. It will depend solely on your content development and promotion. There are many digital nomads with large followership but an old nomad will be a good clickbait.

As much as it's not against the rules for the forum, you can promote your channel in your signature space.

Yes, our signature and avatar space are actually a huge asset we have got on this forum, which is why some people earn by promoting an offer or service here on Bitcointalk while engaging in meaningful discussion. However, when it comes to if will the forum allow the promotion of your YouTube channel link on your free signature space,  then I think what the forum frowns at is the promotion of "referral links,  link shorteners that require users to view an ad, and links to phishing or malware sites.". And YouTube isn't any of those. Inasmuch as the content is educative and relates with Bitcoin or this forum. It will be very much welcome.

Needless to report the account for ban,, because you mentioned you already tag the account with red tag at least that is enough to warn other's from dealing with such accounts buyer's who sent unsolicited pms to high rank accounts asking them to sell off their account for whatever illegals intentions he may have in mind towards those notable accounts.

I think you already got the answer you wanted. Since they mentioned a company, I think they would put your reputation at stake and get quick attention from the community. If a reputable guy represents a service, it would be easier for the business to gain trust quickly. Also, there is a possibility that the account buyers would use your reputation to scam people.

You did a good job by tagging the account. Even if someone doesn't have a bad intention, account selling should always remain forbidden here, and I think the majority of us share this idea.

Thought I am completely against purchase and sale of accounts, I am sure this newbie is having budget of $250 for this purchase. lol

Godaddy values the domain name alone as worth $12,349, the BCT account would be on top of that of course. Godaddy may have undervalued the domain name value of course.

To be honest, I think that it's okay to sell account only under one condition, it will get tagged as sold account. Otherwise, it's a very bad decision because usually scammers will buy such a reputable account to scam people. In general, I prefer to not see account trading but for me, it's okay if it gets done publicly and we know that the account is sold (every positive trust should also be removed from the account).
I appreciate that you don't plan to sell your account. By the way, how are things going in your life? Are you okay? Are things going well?

Why is Plagiarism more of a problem than other activities, like, account buying attempt, promoting scam services and so on?

Plagiarism: You didn't write it, seen as spam, not allowed.
Account buying: Impossible to stop, thus allowed so everyone knows it is.
Scam services: Hard to moderate, since based on persons judgement, thus not moderated to prevent moderator abuse.

This is all explained in Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

So does it mean that what that person did is permittable?
Usually I don't think that is right to send out such messages and there should be an offence to it knowing too well that their intentions to purchase such account wasn't for a better purpose rather for an evil intention as I believe that most of the newbie are eagerly to use some of those reputable account to scam people over here as they believe those people has already gained reputation and people could likely fall to what they posted over here.

It's actually not about if it is allowed to purchase an account but the fact that this guy's go for higher ranking account to ask if they can purchase it shows that they want to escape the hard work of growing and also may have negative intentions like using for example the OP's reputation to scam gullible victims

But even if selling of account is allowed maybe there should be a notification on the profile of the account that it has changed hands from the previous owner to a different person.

I have explained everything on my first post, that the negative feedback is enough. Jet Cash has done the best thing as he gave the user a negative trust and which is enough. No need to report the user. I am 100% certain that moderators will do nothing about it.

Good!
If he has already given negative feedback then fine, I believe next time he wouldn't have that space or courage to go send such pm to anyone whom their profile isn't that active on the forum to have their accounts purchased.
I don't know what most newbies are turning into, becoming too lazy to grow their accounts on their own, instead would want to have already made account. The funniest thing is that, even though they purchased an account it wouldn't waste time to be spotted out because their experience in the space can't be compared with the original owner who owns the account from origins.

If the moderators do not do anything about this issue, then it will not be right at all because the forum moderator is engaged in the work of looking after all kinds of problems in the forum. But you have already said that reporting to the forum moderators will not be of any use and you have also said it with 100% assurance. I think this is not a good aspect for this forum at all.

I was confused for a while after seeing your post. Those who work on selling accounts in this forum are some kind of criminals. Everyone here welcomes new people very nicely. As far as I know, there are many rules in the forum and there are many big members who are working on identifying distorted accounts. Therefore, it seems that no one can run an account here for a long time. Those who waste their time buying an account today definitely do not get anything good and in the end they lose everything. That is why as a new member, I think that if you can learn slowly, this is the best way to get up.

I am a new member myself. I don't know if I will be able to achieve anything good, but I have developed a soft spot for this forum, so I will try to do something good.

I don't think it implies that. I think it only implies that as a merit source, you can't sell merit. It doesn't even say, "Other members are not allowed to buy those merits." It's complicated. :D

I'm fine thanks, and at a real turning point in my life. My long term partner is likely to move back in with me ( she has been looking after her sister, who has now died from cancer). I'm still fit and active, and not taking any medication or allowing any killer injections. I'm sorting my vehicles, and will end up with two van and a tricked out Volvo 740. Hopefully I can start to make some videos about health, wealth and Bitcoin. When I eventually get round to that, I'd appreciate some advice and opinions from members here. I'm way behind on the technical advances in Bitcoin for example. I need to find out more about Knots nodes, as I'm considering switching to one.

Shit like this should be treated as nuclear war, i.e., blow his ass to hell with as many missiles as you can.  Give him a neg, report him, and lock him up in a gibbet right in the middle of town so everyone can ridicule him.  That's what I'd do circa 2016, and it's what I'd do in 2025.

Yeah, buying a 10-year old merit source account with positive trust and an excellent reputation....how bad could that end up being, right?  Fortunately I think he would have been caught very quickly if he made a lot of posts; his PM just doesn't read like anything you'd write, Jet Cash.


I've heard bad things about Knots, but I'm neither going to defend nor criticize what I've heard since my own technical experience with running nodes is sorely lacking (and I've never found the need to run one anyhow).

BTW, always glad to see you here.

In my opinion, LoyceV is right about this. Even if theymos know that a merit source has sold his account, he may remove the person from being a merit source and the person's account will receive significant amount of negative feedbacks.

I did not post that merit source should sell their account but that the person that sent the PM and offer such can not be banned. Is that wrong? So why report an account for ban when it will not be banned. Negative trust is just the best.

Reading your comeback post really touched my heart. How you organize yourself, even in difficult times, is very inspiring. I feel good about the news of your partner comeback, although there is a story of hardship behind that comeback. I pray for the peace of his sister soul. Cancer is such a deadly disease that no one can escape it. In any case, I wish her well on the other side.

After hearing about the Volvo 740 and the van, I understood that you are a big fan of technology! However, the plan to make videos is excellent. Because many will learn from your experience, and if you can make videos beautifully now, you can get a lot of reach. Also, the related videos you want to make will get a lot of reach.

You have also considered switching to nodes while doing this backup. So, if you are in a good position, developing innovative ideas is a matter of thinking. Your own full node means freedom in your own hands. I don't know what steps you have taken to run the node. When you start it, you can share it with us. And if you want to start, Umbrel or Raspiblitz are excellent options, as long as you have good internet and enough storage.

You can check this out if you want:
1:https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel (https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel)
2:https://github.com/raspiblitz/raspiblitz (https://github.com/raspiblitz/raspiblitz)

I think the reason he wants your account is to use it to scam people that are in this forum, he knows you are a reputable member in this forum and any information that comes from you will be believed by any forum member, he just wants to use your reputation to scam people.
Is good that you tagged him at least people will be very careful with him, I'm sure he may have messaged a lot of people too, this set of people should be banned from this forum in other to prevent this thing he did from Happening again.

Those that sell there account should know that they are putting people in danger especially if you are a reputable member in this forum, they will use your account to scam people which is not good so let's always kick against or reject such offer of selling our account.
If you are not interested in the forum anymore you can inform the moderators to ban your account or you can just leave it.

Sorry to hear that.


Interesting.


Sounds like a conversation for another thread, but in short, there was an unnecessary beef in the bitcoiners' world, regarding a pull request on bitcoin core's github where a user suggested a change that caused a schism. Many bitcoiners decided to move to Knots where others remained with Core. Not a big deal in my opinion.

If you must know, account sales is not prohibited in this forum,  transfers of ownership of accounts can be done at anytime. However, just as  almost everyone has noted, account sales puts everyone of us at risk if the buyer is a scammer.

While account sales is allowed here, I think there should be strict rules which ensures that every transaction that involves transfers of ownership of accounts should be done publicly so everyone becomes aware that the account has changed hands. Anyone who fails to abide by that rule should be banned.

This way, members of the forum will deal cautiously with the account so they will not likely become victims of trust.

I don't like it, but it's a fact that members are selling and purchasing accounts for a long time.
Giving someone a negative trust won't help much since they are probably using altaccount or newly created junk account, but I would do the same.
When account changes hand all previous post history of that account should be discarded. in my opinion.

Account sales still happen, but it's simply "under the radar", but from my perspective, they aren't as common as they used to be in the past. Although they're allowed, buying and selling Bitcointalk accounts on the forum is frowned upon and sellers quickly receive negative or neutral feedback. A quick look at Reddit and you'll find a few posts selling accounts, but they're over 5 years old; there are no recent mentions. This has led me to believe that it's not as common as it used to be, and that's for the better.

Edit: I just stumbled upon a forum selling accounts with relatively recent posts; so it's still going.

Who gave that user such impetus to send you such a message, I have no doubt their act would likely be for nothing good because they are trying to give you an offer that is too good to reject but they forget that you are man of great reputation on this platform and would never allow such nonsense to happen. I have no doubt they are wanting to get an established member account from which they could carry out their act. These type of people end up scaming people with account they purchase as that is likely their mission here.

I've been neutral tagging accounts that appear to have been bought or hacked for quite some time. In addition to discarding their prior post history, their prior trust feedback should disregarded, as well. I also have no problem with people who want to red tag bought accounts so longer as it can be absolutely proven that the account was purchased (or hacked). It will continue to be a problem for so long as the forum has signature campaigns (or even an Altcoin ANN section for that matter).

The take from this topic for me is Jet Cash is 83 years old. Respect for his energy to help people of this community. Continue the good work brother.

That dude could reach out to some ordinary users and could easily convince a user to purchase an account in exchange of good money [I have no idea how much it could be]. He learned his lesson already I will assume.

My partner is 70, and she believes in Bitcoin, but then she would wouldn't she. :) I haven't yet been able to convince anybody over the age of 60 that Bitcoin has real value, and should rank with Gold and Silver as a medium of exchange with a real intrinsic value. Very few people understand that virtual assets can be hard assets. Many people consider real estate as the ultimate hard asset, but the current UK government changes to taxation highlight the fact that you don't own property in the UK. All you have is the right to use the property, and that right can be taxed, modified or removed outside of your control. Providing that you don't delegate the custody of your Bitcoin, you have absolute ownership of your Bitcoin. ETFs are not ownership. This is highlighted by the fact that there is 600 times as much paper silver as there is actual silver available, Imagine what would happen to the price if delivery was required for all the paper silver.

I remember him when he was only 81 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456977.msg62433619#msg62433619) :)

A man is obviously worth something when they want to buy his BTT account, and a few days ago I caught a member copying parts of his post and presenting it as his "work of art". In any case, being over 80 years old and being healthy and vital is something that everyone can wish for themselves and their loved ones.

I have become more careful with red tagging any members until I see more evidence, but neutral feedback could be more acceptable.
Usually when account changes it's obvious that writing style is totally different, but that is not always the case.

Don't give up.
And when you turn 100 I am sure more bitcoiners will cross age of 60 ;) 

I don't mind saying Bitcoin has no intrinsic value. I'm much more concerned about the many people who think fiat money has intrinsic value. There's none.

There is an even more concerning asset in the UK. Most people believe that property ( real estate ) has intrinsic value, but this is not rue. In the UK, all you get is a licence to use land, and this makes it a virtual asset. The real intrinsic value is owned by the UK Crown, it's not even owned by the Government.

Why should someone in his or her right senses send you such messages if the person doesn't have ill intentions towards your account! He or she found out that you haven't been active much on the forum, it simply means that whoever the person is, is actually monitoring your account and it didn't start from the day you were messaged but for some time all along.
I don't think you should do anything else since you have already given a negative trust entry. Just let it slide, if such individual should do that again, then you can freely take other drastic measures.

83, wow! If my eyesight and hands work to write paras as you do at that age, I would consider myself fortunate, that is ofc if I reach that age  :D


Which forum, if I may ask?

Nowadays, the forum takes a strict stance against account buying and selling. If the account is a merit source selling it is seen as disrespecting the whole community. The role of a Merit Source is to fairly evaluate contributions, and trading such an account destroys that trust. What you did by giving a (negative trust) is the right step. It warning others that the user intentions are not genuine. If you want, you can also share a screenshot of the message in the (Reputation board) so the community is aware and the person cannot try the same with others.You don’t really need to do anything more. Reporting is optional but the negative trust and warning are enough.

More massage :
anyone, who wants promotion or a higher rank should earn it through their own contributions knowledge and effort. buying an a account may work for a while but once trust is lost the account has no real value. You know this.

So happy to see you around :) Been away myself for quite a while. Nice to see that the valuable members are still around :)

I'm not sure that I'm still valuable, but thanks for the kind words. I'm slipping behind in the latest tech developments, and I'm still driving cars from the last century. :)

What you mean, you are not sure you are still valuable. You have done so much throughout the years for the forum, so many good initiatives, and it looks like you are still in a good shape to continue helping the newcomers, and not only that.  You are an asset to the forum and the community and many people will support this statement, I'm sure :) The technology is developing so fast that it's hard to keep up with everything but hey, if want to be up to everything, the AI comes in handy, so you can focus on only on the important stuff. We are on the same boat on that one, i have not so much free time anymore :)

About driving old cars.. some ppl pay huge bags with money for buying retro cars, and the Volvo you have is as solid as a tank!!! You can't have a better car choice. I'm also rollin in a car produced just a little after the y2k fiasco. Still little bit above 100k km. and i don't see a point to change something that is running smooth, cheap to maintain and has been with me thought all this years.

As I said before, glad to see you around mate, have a good one :)

Happy to see you again TheBeardedBaby, I remember you very well. When I was admiring BestChange and her campaign participants. You were the center attention then. You were wearing signature without pay or something related. Happy to see you back.

@Jet Cash, you are a legend. I learnt about you from the bitcointalk quiz by Icopress. We need you more now, because you will narrate accurately how this technological evolution happened. You must have witnessed different generations

My question is that why didn't the user used the main account to send the pm, sometimes some feel that any account that's inactive maybe the owner is not longer interested for the account, they're many people who don't like to post again but they come to forum every day to read some of post, anotherthing  I want other people to know is that is not everyone who post regularly, what makes some people to be posting regularly is because of the signature campaign they're into, without a signature campaign I don't think that many users will be that active on forum

Thanks for all the kind words.
I'm still a Bitcoin maximalist, and I'll be interested to watch the development of side chains. I'm also interested in the political influences on Bitcoin, although it is difficult to enter into discussions about his. Especially in the modern Britain with it suppression of free speech, even the shortest of custodial sentences would have a massive impact on me. In fact I have considered emigrating, but I have so many ties here, and I haven't resolved all of the issues from my  past life.

With regards to my accounts here, I think I've got a few that I don't use any more. Maybe I should list them in case they get hacked or something. Don't bother to ask if they are for sale, because they aren't.

Here are the ones I remember -

Talk Merit
Kuffy
Flash Cunt

If there are any that I've forgotten, then please remind me. I think they are all member accounts. I think there is another one, which was the faster to achieve member status in the forum at the time. I reg'd it as an experiment. Flash Cunt was reg'd to entertain Tman, and I'm saddened that he left us.