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If the casino does not directly show the rtp of the slot game, how can we know the RTP version of it?

As you may know, some specific slots have multiple RTP versions ranging from as high as 97% to as low as 88%.

One of the game was caught on my mind is "ryse of the mighty gods". I first play this game in Casinopunkz. At first, I did not think much because I believe this version is the only version (as I was new to slot game, I was like a dice before). Then, funny thing was I glance over the URL of my game and I see this:

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Turn out this was just the 94% rtp version, not the 96% version. More about "ryse of the mighty gods"
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This makes me wonder, what if, even in a reputable casino, RTP version can be tweak like this, so for example, a casino can claim they are using the 96% RTP slot version of a slot, but it could actually turn out to be the lower version. Can this be a posibility?

I no longer believe that RTP in casinos do perform as they are meant to. What is writing in the game is most likely the opposite when you are playing.

It takes only a reputable casino to keep an RTP around 86% and it actually worked that way. In the end, we are looking for a win not RTP, which is why I do not care bout it.

How can we win in the long run if the RTP is always lower than 100%? To me, gambling is mainly for entertainment and fun and sometimes facing our own demons or having that inner dialogue between greedy side of ourselves. And other times, maybe winning something, or participating in contest. What I want to mention here is the itegrity of the casino nowadays

Play in a casino that is licensed by the UK Gambling Commission, by law, any casino that has a license with them must reveal their RTP, must agree to the game being tested by an independent body and must display the RTP rates to its players. Pretty simple!
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/guide/gaming-machine-categories
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/standards/remote-gambling-and-software-technical-standards

Play with an unlicensed casino and you're going to have to trust their numbers!


You can win even if the RTP is 0.1%, that number is for all the players not just yourself, if 99 guys lose 10 dollars and one guy wins $500 he has won with an RTP of ~95%.

If it is a licensed casino, it is most likely that this data can be seen on the provider's site and not in the casino itself, and as for your question about whether a licensed casino lies about it, it is possible but unlikely since they are audited and regulated and will not want to damage their own reputation because in the same way the house always has the advantage, so cheating to win more money would be like shooting yourself in the foot out of greed.

Many casinos don't show RTP at all, but some casinos (like MetaWin) show general RTP and RTP in the last 24 hours:

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Just a reminder, it's stated on the site:


And now what is RTP for? :)

I have written it many times, and I will write it again... Slots can give a lot, but they can take a lot more. But will they give or take? We don't know, we need to try it, and we will find out. :)

And RTP? It's a joke, we can hit bonus buy & awesome payout in the first 10-50 spins, or we can see +500 spins without hitting a bonus round... on any RTP... with x2 or higher chances for bonus round.

Should we talk about bonus buys & super bonus buys?  ;D ;D ;D

On a normal standard, it is expected that the casinos provides the proof to serve as evidence to their approved RTP their license operate with, but most of us care less about having a check on this, because in most cases, we can discover that the values varies from what they presented to what we see in playing, all these talks a lot about why they should have more transparency in their RTP, i also advise us to avoid unnecessary stress on a look for this, because it can be disappointing sometimes.

Direct answer, yes, that is possible. But let's think about it, should a 'reputable' company go beyond that action to maximize business profits? I suggest not to stress about it. RTP is something gamblers can't even feel. Just go with the flow on why you gamble.

Let's face it. Do most online gamblers, especially slot enthusiasts, really care about online RTP? Maybe yes at some point but not to the point that we will end up investigating if there's a flaw, especially if we talk about games on a reputable casino. That's why they are called "reputable" in the first place, we can expect that everything is fair. Of course, it doesn't mean that we should be blind about it, but the main criterion now is popularity. A certain slot game won't be popular in the first place if it's trash and full of flaws.

Game providers won't ruin their business by tweaking the original RTP. I can say the same thing about those games provided by the online casino itself. It's hard to build trust in the current vast industry of online gambling.

To simply make this short, stick with reputable casinos, as we can expect that their games, and games by their providers, always follow the original algorithm designed for them, and that includes the RTPs.

In my experience there are usually multiple versions of the same branded/themed game, so you just need to be aware of the exact RTP of the game you're playing. You'll have a "basic"" version of the game and there can be all variety of others, usually one called Mega or Ultra, which offers a different play style - maybe more reels or side games. If you cannot figure out specifically what you're playing I would actually choose to go to another casino because they're being a bit sneaky. If you have any doubt or think that they are pulling tricks on customers you probably want to switch anyway because that's never a good look for somebody that is essentially holding on to your money.

Thank you so much. This type of knowledge is what I need. I do understand your point of view. I just want to make sure that the RTP we have are the real number. But there are some slots that are from other provider. How can users verify if they are using the correct RTP version?

Some casinos are transparent with their RTP, some are not. I’ve played in casinos where the RTP isn’t even displayed, but I end up winning. Then on the other hand, in casinos that proudly show their RTP, I get unlucky. That’s why sometimes I don’t fully believe in RTP.

Sure, there’s supposed to be a standard RTP per game or per provider, but I always think casinos could request providers to adjust it higher or lower depending on what they want. At the end of the day, the house edge is always there anyway.

The only time I’ve seen something different was one casino running a promo with 100% RTP, but it was only temporary, just for a few hours. After that, back to normal.

In slot games, I don't care about RTP, and I doubt the winning percentage. I play slots without really hoping to win. I know that I will lose in the end. However, I still play with a small balance. For some reason, I like to see the images and hear the sounds of slot games. Most people don't believe in the RTP displayed.

Some casino use this RTP to lure their players and they even show different RTP for different time frames so it doesn't really make a big difference though about how much you are going to win which will still be based on your luck. Someone already mentioned that casinos regulated by UK has to show their RTP but other casinos are also showing it but my suggestion will be don't give much thought for those numbers. It can deceive you and nothing else.

Not all casinos shows the RTP of the game, perhaps you can only assume what is the RTP of the games that you played (unfortunately). But as what the majority says, RTP is not that big of a deal for them.

As long as you like the slot games, maybe it is your favorite you are going to play with it. Even if you are really losing money, that's how addictive slot games are, and if you don't have that self control, you are going to fall for the trick of it.

And even if you think that you can select a game that has a RTP that will allow you to win, you're still going to lose in the long run.

Game providers can allow the casinos change the rtp on slots within a given range, but all regulated casinos are obligated to show the correct rtp percentage that they are using and they must display it to. If you do not see it when opening the game, check the info which contains more details.

Cause you can lose your entire balance even with an rtp of 100%. You should not factor in the rtp too much before playing a game, it likely wouldn't come into play during the duration of your game time.

How can it really deceive gamblers? Maybe if they’re showing a number that isn’t the real RTP, then yeah that’s deceiving. But if it’s displayed there, at least they’re showing it, since it’s required by the operators. Gamblers need to know the RTP so they understand their chances.

But since most casinos are regulated overseas, I think the implementation isn’t that strict. That’s why you’ll still see some casinos not showing the RTP at all. At the end of the day it depends on us if we still trust them or not. And to be honest, most gamblers rely more on their own experience than what’s written on the RTP anyway.

you have a good point because many slot providers usually make different RTP versions of the same game!! and it is up to the casino which one they choose to use. if the casino does not show it then there is no way to be 100% sure while you are playing.sometimes you wil see the RTP in the games info menu but that is often just the default one, not always what the casino is running. like you said!! it can also show up in the URL or game details... in places with strong rules, casinos must display the RTP but in other markets it is not always clear. that is why playing at licensed casinos is safer!! they should tell you the version if you ask since and you are right some shady sites could advertise the higher RTP but run the lower one. you won’t notice in a few spins!! but even a small difference makes a big impact in the long run.

Most online platforms doesn't give us the real RTP of any slot games that we play, unless it's truly shown like MetaWin.

But if you are really that interested, you have to do it by yourself, you can obviously search it. For example, if you love Pragmatic Games, then you can go to their website to check the RTP of their games.

Like in this case, https://www.pragmaticplay.com/en/games/gates-of-olympus/#

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Gambling should be based on fun and non expectancy of winning put you at a consistent stable condition that most likely will not harm you state of mind even if you lose consistently while having your desired fun, gambling results on games like slot and dice have limited tendency to win and only by luck a gambler will win over the house which make the whole thing not easy to win and for that we need to limit how much we gamble with and the time we spend on that.

That's kinda like the worst part of the game. I understand that feeling when you realize you're playing a lower RTP version, it's like the casino just showed you they're not playing fair. Most of us just click and assume the best. It’s basically why gamblers find it hard to trust a casino’s word alone.

Sometimes the gambling community is surprisingly kinda tight-knit and fast to call out a casino that’s running a low RTP game. You just can’t be too careful because when the house isn't transparent I actually on you to find the truth.

Yes, that's possible whether by mistake or deliberately. Best you can do is to compare the rtp in the official website (if it is stated) and the casino in question, I suppose.

As much as possible, always go with reputed casinos and providers as we still have to trust them up to a certain extent.

So, RTP is not a good numbers to believe, it is the luck that we can count on playing slots?

I have my Favorite game with pragmatic, Viking Forge. same RTP show on the site but different result daily/.weekly.

There are times that i can go big win all the way and give lots of good spin.
There are times that i will go nothing from my rolls.

RTP is more than 96%

You should be able to open an options menu in each slot and find the RTP being offered. Most Pragmatic slots are 96.54% or something close to that. I have seen that some sites offer multiple versions of a game, BC game had 2 versions of a hacksaw slot(can't remember the name), 1 was 96% rtp other was 94% rtp.

Overall slots are a losing venture no matter the rtp, but sites should be transparent at the very least.

Simple! You can't!
No amount of users would be able to simulate that to anything meaningful in any casino that also has a large player base.
So, you will just have to deal with the unknown yourself!

Anyhow, unlike dice in slots RTPs in big casinos are a bit meaningless, you have thousands betting 1 million, let's say, and the casino pays back 980 000 or 900,000, your 1k-2k bets are just a drop of randomness in that ocean, you can end with zero in 5 minutes or with 10k in 20 hours.

There is no way for us to know. The casino may state one set of figures, but in reality it will be different. I think that only the casino employees have the exact information, and of course they will not disclose it to strangers (clients) under any circumstances.

The range of numbers looks very large. At 88%, I suppose it becomes simply unthinkable to win.

I don't know for sure if this is possible, but in any case, we can't check it in any way.

If the casino was "fair", then they could leave their customers the opportunity to verify the truthfulness of the numbers they announced (RTP). But as it is, all these words and pictures from their side look unfounded.

If the casino has the opportunity to cheat, which will bring profit and not be caught for it, then why shouldn't the casino cheat?

There should really be a way to audit them, otherwise regulation has no purpose at all. Most casinos just use game providers anyway, and it’s these providers that maintain the coding and programs behind the games. So they’re the ones answerable to regulators.

Even if there’s still a chance to cheat, it’s a very high-risk move for them. If they get caught, it could easily lead to suspension or even total closure of their business.

An RTP around 86%? That seems too low. I'm not sure if there's anybody who prefers to play with that low RTP when its competitors are mostly offering above 95%.

What do you mean you don't care about RTP but you're looking for a win? If you're after a win, then you should be chasing slots with higher RTP. The higher the RTP is, the higher the amount that you could win back. So, it matters, especially if the difference is big.

If you aren't after wins, then you may not care about RTP. You won't care if in a $1,000 bankroll only $800 is designed to be returned to you, even if there are other slots which offer $980.

you are gonna have to find it maybe it is indicated in the game most games have that icon where more information can be found but if it is still not there then you can check on their registration i guess? that is if they are registered
yes it is possible and it depends if they are registered or not if they can get away with this i think some authorities would require for the rtp to be accurate so if not they could face some consequences

That is possible to happen but you don't have to think much about RTP. You can enjoy the slot games for some time and then stop gambling. RTP doesn't guarantee you win but your luck. If you don't have luck, you will difficult to win.

Maybe that is right that high RTP can give you much return. But if you don't have luck, that will not happen. You just need to think about how you can enjoy your time in gambling and not think about winning because that is difficult.

I never check on the RTP but sometimes, members here share the RTP. But you don't have to think much about that.

however if you claim that RTP does not perform then it is totally incorrect imo. most of the casino is now regulated so regulators mandate that operators keep an eye on convergence to the theoretical target because RTP is a longterm average it is not somethin like a session promise. afaik the average RTP for well known good slots is around 96% where 86% is abnormally shallow & more in line with bad land settings. You are soberly eating a larger house edge if you plump for 86% lol :D. Even though variance make out harsh, honorable casino avail oneself of certified RNG & RTP testing by labs like ecogra, so the everything is audited nothing hiding mate

I am saying they are scamming or faking the numbers but deceiving is different, people may misinterpret the numbers and assume that higher the RTP they will win more but not it is not the case, each bet results are individual random even that has no correlation with the previous bets so even if the RTP is 99% we can still lose the bet completely like in slot that is what I tried to say.

Most of the casino ive been playing now provided with the RTP of the slot games, and as of now like the Whale.io provided with the 24, Week and the total accumulated RTP base on the result before I ignored witht the use of the RTP because I know they will provide wins even though its low but as per experience in slots I see this is an essential to have. Also its good that they are transparent to their players about this RTP. but still depends on the players risk management in slot games even though its a higher percentage always the house wins the game.

Even if the RTP is still up to 96%, the chance of my winning has never been any better, maybe I can be lucky only a few times but after I win, I still get taken out all at once so I do see it make much if a different for me and that's why I don't care much about it, but certainly it favours some players too most of the time which makes it very necessary to know which number every casino is using.

Such things are not unusual, as some casinos may manipulate the original RTP, which is very possible at any casino.

Sometimes I doubt the performance of RTP in actual results, so from that point on I am not interested in paying attention to RTP in every game at any casino. If the game is one that I really like, I will play it even if it has a low RTP, and I have no interest in games that have the highest RTP in the same category.

Go to the game provider website and check for the specific game RTP. Details of the slot games including the theoretical RTP is always disclosed on the official website of the game provider.

Casino usually doesn’t have access on RTP but they can request to make it higher on the provider.

I’m not sure if provider allow casino to modify the RTP to theoretical RTP without disclosing it on the game details on the casino.

I think it's possible. In fact, I think they are tweaking it. Imagine winning a high multiplier in one slot game, and then you jump to another one with high RTP too and win again. I don't think they will accept that, or they will lose a lot of money.
It will cause a big problem for them, and I don't believe they will let this happen in the first place. They will tweak it first before they show it to their games. I have tried playing many games, and I can see that whenever I win, the RTP is very low, even for games that have high RTP on their services.

yeah you are right sometimes in-game info could vary cause i have also noticed many well known provider like Pragmatic play or Hacksaw offer multiple RTP version to stay in competition with other provider, whatever,  it is the casino who are responsible & opt for which setup they run, ok? You will find many games those are created as operator configurable way but good casino always pick those games which RTP is typically controlled by provider. so imo always pick reputable casino & make sure certificat pages are clear enough because you know regulator body  need testing & realtime RTP monitoring.  finally you  could ask to support if the RTP is not clear from the paytable, if you feel they are trying to avoid it just leave those nasty casino