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I can't believe that I'm having to ask this question in an international forum. I'm English. I was born in England of English parents who were also born in England. I'm proud of this, and of my heritage and the achievements of my country. I'm not proud to be thought of as British. Recently there has been an upsurge in the flying of the cross of St George, and the treasonous UK government has vilified this. I've been given such a flag, and I'm displaying it in my van as a protest against its banning. It annoys me that the Welsh, Scots, and Irish are allowed to be proud of their heritage ( which they should be ), but we English are called racists if we declare that we are English. I believe that everyone should be proud of their heritage, and when you  lose that, you lose a major part of your identity and personality.

What do you guys think? Am I a racist for flying the flag of my country?

You should do penance for voting brexit and condemming all the young people in your country to a poor future while you are merrilly resting in your grave - you egotistic xenophobe.

You can fly whatever flag you want, but I wonder why are you proud of being born English. You did nothing to be born English and there is not that much to be proud of being so.

BTW, you may recogise the picture in my avatar. Unless you are one of those "proud English" that are proud because they haven seen anything better.

most protestors arrested were not exactly arrested just for holding a flag/being english, but reciting racist chants whilst holding the flag
but not want to be called out to family/friends as racist so dont mention what they were chanting that got them actually arrested

its like them 'karens' that walk their dogs and then cause arguments with local shop owners and neighbours about their "emotional support animal". its the argument and lack of control of emotions that gets them in trouble, but then they twist it into somehow that people are against them being a pet owner

same goes for those painting(graffiti) the flag on roads and walls. its not the flag.. its the act of graffiti

though my corner of england has not seen much protest, we do fly our flags and our local police dont care

We haven't had Brexit yet. Do you mean that our future will be worse than those of the countries that a struggling to extract themselves from the EU theft?
btw - I expect you are aware that the EU was a creation of the modern British Empire, and that is why the governments we have had have restisted any attempts to make Brexit a success. The English have been responsible for the greatest number of inventions of any country. They even gave the world a Lingua Franca.

Maybe they were wronged or harmed by certain parts of the heritage, and that can act as reminder or become a provocation.
This is why in everything we do, we do it fairly and not wrong anyone. The victim of the wrong deed could bear longlasting grudges, and the wrong deed can be used against the wrong doer in the future... Even the enemy can take advantage of this and constantly remind the victim of deed to keep the parties involved divided. Or there could be false representation of true history to achieve thesame goal.
But if evil doer was justly punished in the past and the intention of the punisher was good, the proof will be in the good outcome, and it will be hard to erase or hide. This can be used as evidence why justice was done in the past. But everything should be done morally or with good intentions rather than in hurtful, prideful or provocative ways. Otherwise that become loopholes for the enemy to take advantage of the situation and keep the parties divided and weakened

And why do you need approval from us again?

Personally i never understood about being proud of land you were born into, because i don't need to. I was born into very privileged society, where i don't need to defend everything i am. But i do realize that some people need to try to fix their identity so that shame wouldn't be a primal main feeling. But i don't think that even comes from being born in somewhere.

I don't have that experience, so it's really hard for me to get that some people have their identities connected to a country, and that they feel they have crisis over it. I think i would need to feel like an underdog to get there.

I don't except that people would clap their hands and say "well done being born there". Because that didn't require any effort from me. Hell i didn't even consent to it.

I am proud of my achievements and things i have worked hard on, especially when i am expressing myself and my inner feelings with that, because that's me. I have done literally nothing to do with the fact i was born in somewhere.

You should hang your flag up if you are celebrating some achievement your country has attained but not if it is in response to some populist movement steered by left or right wing loons. Ignorant masses are far more dangerous than immigrants and are the fools clever tyrants come to power on but if you are simply proud of your country or wish to celebrate something and want to raise your flag on a pole on your own private property within local by law and planning regulatory guidelines you have no reason not to and nobody has any reason to object.

By the way going off on a tangent here but your whole "illegal immigrant crisis" is a ploy or better yet only part of a pretext to bring about the nescessity to have a new digital surveillance ecosystem that may one day be required to enter McDonalds,the cinema theatre, Football stadium,Bus,Train or even certain public spaces. It will be a global initiative and countries are figuring out the best ways to bring this system about. If you look at workplaces like banks in major cities and how they are adapting new intrusive technologies stop theft, fraud and unauthorised entry into their buildings you should get the picture once you can envision such an application rolled out throughout the whole public/commercial sectors now that AI, facial recognition cameras and biometric identities can be used with wearables or other devices  .....all for your safety of course and to keep those scary people at bay  8)

It seemingly is just far more difficult to implement these technocratic totalitarian measures ( many will think it is a great idea of course) in pesky liberal democracies unless the population is  adequately brainwashed,frightened or whatever to at least a sufficient level that you can at least get a majority of ignorant masses to go along with.

I think after the covid crisis we have learned that the majority of people will behave like a herd of animals when it comes to a crisis or are desperate and desperate measures just happen to be ready to roll out.

I honestly don’t see anything wrong in flying the St George’s flag. Wanting to celebrate your roots and being proud of your Englishness doesn’t make you racist in any way. Every people have a right to be proud of who they are and where they come from irrespective of their root.

It’s unfortunate that the UK government decided to vilify the St George flag just like you highlighted but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s your national symbol and it belongs to you just as much as the others have theirs. Flying it should never be seen as hatred towards anyone else but simply love for your own heritage.

For me personally, I take a lot of pride in my own identity and where I come from and I believe that’s something no one should ever be made to feel scared of doing. I think you should do the same by standing firm in celebrating your heritage because priding in who you are is the anchor your true identity. The moment people accept restrictions in displaying their identity, they begin to lose their heritage and disrupt passing it to generations to come.

Consider the Magna Carta. Read it and understand it. It's the way to overcome tyranny in government.

In Britain, same as in America, people are not persons. Persons are names on paperwork. Making the right statements about the fact that you remain a man, gives you power at Kings Bench Court... man to man against any government official.

People have been trained by government schools so completely that they don't believe this when I say it. The only way government can make anything 'stick' against you is if you were a literal wrongdoer, or if they can convince (sell) you that you are the name on their paperwork.

https://www.youarelaw.org/
https://educationcenter2000.com/
https://www.youtube.com/c/CraigLynch/videos

Then teach it to your fellows.



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I had a privileged upbringing as well. I went to an English public school, and in England the public schools are the elite private schools. Eton is the famous one, and is the training and recruiting organisation for the Dynasties that rule so much of the Western World, including the US, the UK and the EU. Oxford University and Sandhurst are associated with this recruitment.  The agglomeration of countries into soulless entities such as the UK, Britain, the US and the EU is designed to lead populations into subservience with no pride in their heritage, and the destruction of families and countries. I respect people who want to keep their heritage and national customs, and I feel sorry for those who turn away from their countries and families.

I'm not seeking approval for flying the flag of my country, but I am interested in hearing opinions from people outside the UK. I guess my attitude is similar to Texans who fly their flag as an alternative to the Stars and Stripes. Donald Trump is trying to achieve independence for the US from the ruling Eton/Oxford elite - Clinton was a Rhodes scholar for example, and there are/were many others. The masons and City of London livery companies may be too entrenched in Britain for us to achieve this independence, but I live in hope.

Ah Badecker you had me fooled all along thinking you were a purveyor of the finest theoretical knowledge merely disguised as polysemous wit until you go and spoil it with this legalese waffle that would only get a poor muggle entangled and eventually ensnared by the jaws of contempt.



If you worked in the Sq mile aka mystery Babylon in say for example HSBC main HQ you would have approx 1200 facial recognition cameras within your building and over 15k sensory data points associated with both you and your face,gait profile and phone which in turn would be attached to your personal device monitoring and surveilling you throughout the course of the day.Now step outside the building and enter the future that is being devised for all the peeples. Even if there were borders or no borders they would still wish to control you to the point of total dominance over you. They may rattle on about freedom of movement and seamless unrestricted travel while this measure is only to keep you safe from the bad guy but in reality the "bad guy" is their best friend because it is this "bad guy " that gives them their power. Do not play chess with lucifer because he has a counter for your counter to his counter. Much easier to move into the mountains and live like a wild animal in peace...until he comes to hunt that too. If you wish to argue with satan especially in the manner Badecker has suggested above do not even try ...just stay out of his sight and out of his mind before you are devoured but remember this. Even he believes in God and trembles 8)

Yes, you should fly your St George flag. That is representative of your virtues and values, and therefore if you are an authentic person then you can be as public and transparent about that as your heart wishes. Evil people, possibly devil worshipers, may be attacking people like you because you have political beliefs that are not inline with their religion of worshiping the hive mind.

They know you are not racist, and do not believe you are racist. The racist allegation is because they know you are opposed to racism. They are intentionally lying to you. If they actually thought you were racist, they probably wouldn't have called you that. Instead they'd go onto something else they thought you were offended by in an effort to control you.

This is a culture war that Europe is badly losing. Many people actively hate whites, Christians, and men. These people get angry if you express comfort with your skin color, your religion, your gender, and especially above all, your politics! They will label you anything and everything you are opposed to in an effort to control you.

To attack another person for having different virtues and values that are not identical to yours by intentionally lying to them, is something I'm saying is a form of devil worship. Hate for others outside one's belief system is primarily what makes a religion into a cult. They don't care what you think about other races, they just don't want competition to their cult.

Can you clarify as to whether this is sarcastic or not? I certainly can't tell, so maybe other people can't either.

If anybody has a problem with a native flying the flag of his own country then it is them who has a problem. I don’t understand why it is an issue for anybody. As long as the flag is raised on your own property then go ahead, do what you want.

To me it does not make much sense to be proud of something you did not even chose to begin with, you did not choose to be born English, you did not even choose your mother language, so it is kind of silly to be proud of it.
One can be proud of learning a second language or moving to a different countryz because those are choice one makes and one works hard for.
So, people are also supposed to be proud of their skin color ? To me it is even more ridiculous.

But anyways, you are in a free country, so feel free to fly whatever you want and express yourself freely, those are the kinds of values own is supposed to protect from autocracies and the rule dictators.

Well, if you are dumb enough to do it their way, and then say you are doing it your way, you just contradicted yourself, and your word is no longer any good.

I didn't stick those websites in there for nothing. Since you haven't been a man/woman for all these years, you probably won't learn how to stand as a man/woman overnight.

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The issue is that the flag has consistently been used by Nazi thugs during demonstrations. People now see it as a sign of racism rather than patriotism and pride. As long as it is not illegal to fly the flag and you intend to show love for your nation, you can fly the flag. People might misunderstand it and think you are a racist but your actions will always prove them wrong.

Mine is a separate problem. I have great love for my country and want to fly our national flag. But I can't fly the flag since I reside in an area where a secession group has a high population. People have been beaten and even killed for showing love for our country.     

I find it interesting that skin clour always creeps into the discussions where England or English is concerned. Nazi is also another word that people falsely associate with being English. We opposed the Nazis in a world war to free society from their scourge. Unfortunately, we weren't wholly successful, and part of the reason Putin went to war with Ukraine was the genocide being perpetrated by the Ukrainian Nazis  We now have a Zionist prime minister in the UK, and I believe he is closer to being a Nazi than the grandmothers flying the flag of St George, who want to protect their daughters,

You guys are a bad influence on me, II try to keep out of political discussions, as I have traditional English Christian views.

Badecker if you think I am going to spend the whole day looking in the mirror to check myself to see if theres anything after falling off or growing on overnight you are wasting your time. I am a prime example of an alpha male because my trophy wife lets me know this everyday (most days) and I have examined her many times to also to confirm that she is indeed a fine female (I was going to use term "fine feline" but then Badecker would insist she was a cat)


Any judge would look upon these forms of defence (apart from one particular one) as nothing more than a form of fillibuster and eventually lead to contempt if you continued after a ruling against you and any appeal along the same lines would simply be the definition of madness.


Why would you need to remain silent or not deny something if you are innocent? Simply deny you are guilty if you are innocent then there will not be sufficient grounds to either charge or convict you as there will be no evidence anyway and if evidence is fabricated or the justice system is corrupt through political interference or conflicts of interest then that is a corrupt enforcement and justice system that needs to be completely gutted anyway.

It would be better you brought about change through your elected representatives as these are the legislators and are responsible for making sure the judicial system is not corrupt however the main problem lies in the fact most politicans are corrupt so what do you expect the judicial system to be?

The greatest threat to any society is when both the enforcers and the judicial system are corrupted with bad actors whether by cops passing on information to their buddies or private investigators working on behalf of crooks whereby it should be a serious criminal offence to share data outside the course of an active investigation and even in the course of an investigation such shared data should have strict guidelines enforced by the correct checks and balances .......and legislators bringing about laws that are not conducive to a free democratic society whether it because of some radical ideaology they are attached to or corrupt lobbying practices.

Winning in court simply requires you to be innocent of the said charge or if guilty (not wanting to enable criminals only people who simply fell foul of the law somehow)being in a position to demand leniency either through some form of psychological,medical or otherwise disadvantage etc or through some form of coercion having caused your doing such. Only facts count in court whether it is civil,commercial or criminal law so if your argument is based on pure facts that should be sufficient and if you have breached the law then you will be looking for leniency to the point of a satisfactory ruling or lenient as possible ruling against you.

In most civilised societies both the police force and judges use discretionary powers to ensure people who are not usually lawbreakers and acting out of character and who have a clean record, are non voilent and of good character .....DO get preferential treatment and this is CORRECT.

A person with no convictions should NOT be treated the same as a person with 100 convictions.


If you feel the need to have to use these arguments presented on those websites above then go for it if and when the time comes and see how you fare but like I said why would you need those arguments if you are innocent and if the system is unfair it needs changing NOT legal "hacks" to try to fight your case.

These "hacks" would only be suitable in avoiding a speeding ticket or parking fine in some cases but if you didn't speed or park in someones disablility zone you really shouldn't need to try them. All you are really doing is making people feel empowered with a false sense of security or worse having some smart ass crook or serial nuisance waste court time at the tax payers expense in most cases where they get free legal representation.



Wise man, wise decision indeed. Proper Christian values brings the wisdom not to sit at the same table as scoffers lest you be devoured.

Your attitude actually may be highly unethical. You seem to be using "Nazi" to mean person who doesn't agree with most of your political opinions., Do you even know what a Nazi is? I disagree that the St. George flag has been used often by Nazis. They already have flag specifically for their ideology, and that is the one they would fly.

Secondly and much more importantly, if Nazis start flying a flag with a symbol YOU like, do you then stop using that symbol? Yes or no.

"The St. George's flag is not historically associated with the Nazis, who primarily used the swastika flag as their symbol. There is no record of Nazis officially flying the St. George's flag."
Source: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/when-is-the-last-time-a-nazi-f-3wtonBJWRIWhXlaxtL.j5Q

Here is an interesting video about the Knights Templar and the use of the St George's cross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg7_oP4NrKQ&t=1073s
I've been talking about the Knights Templar for many months in this forum, and it is interesting that many of my comments are gaining traction and credibility as more information becomes available. I don't agree with everything in the video. For example, I believe that the invention of gunpowder was a greater contribution to the demise of the feudal system. And I think he may be incorrect in his comments about the Knights Hospitalier. Also he avoids discussing the City of London and the livery companies in any depth. He could also have included a mention of the "Veil of Tiers" which is an euphemism for the hierarchy of trusts which conceal the preserved wealth of the Knight Templar.

I don't have any reason to be against anybody with a different political orientation. Everyone is free to associate with any political party they want. My view is that some people with racist behaviour are hiding under noble campaigns like "Operation Raise the Colours" to promote their agenda. This campaign received significant donations from Britain First, which was set up by former members of the Nazi British National Party. My position is that those flying the flag of Saint George have good intentions. But some bad actors are using the same flag to promote their agenda. I fully support the OP to fly the flag because he is patriotic.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/anti-racism/the-far-right-figures-behind-national-flags-campaign/

What a rubbish organ that socialist worker is. The flood of scrounging illegal migrants is bankrupting the UK, and we need to chuck them out. I'm not against immigration if the newcomers are prepared to accept our standards, and contribute to the economy. We shouldn't have to pay and feed economic migrants who are going to break our laws and attempt to change our way of life. Most other nations are now rejecting the flood of scroungers.
That picture in the rag posted shows ordinary English people, who are probably not racist or Nazis, who just want to be able to walk safely in their community, and not have to provide homes for the interlopers, whilst hard working indigenous residents lose theirs.

What you really need to do is ask how it has come to the time where people in England feel the need to express their nationality in this manner and who is really responsible for the latest flag waving craze. Radicalised politicans,academics,and woke lefty loons.


Let me break it down barney style.


A tiny fraction of your non nationals cause a hugely disproportionate amount of crime for their numbers and your government continue to ignore the fact that some people simply cannot be integrated into western civilisation as their way of life is alien to it and they arrogantly insist that you must become less like you in order to be more like them so they are not offended by you being like you.


I am baffled looking at your statistics to then come across the fact that one of the largest non national groups among you has little to no crime worth mentioning statistics unless it is for parking tickets in a workzone while actually "working" and paying their taxes as ridiculous as the income tax rate is these days is most european states.


I was going to use Polish non nationals (white european christians) who make up the vast majority but was slightly disappointed in them showing to have a number on the graph albeit only a tiny fraction of the statistics versus those from the exotic lands but I will use the next almost equal in number in relation to majority of foreign nationals so it lets you understand what the issue is here.

Overview of Irish Emigrants (white europeans christians) who number approx 600k citizens and their relationship to Crime in the UK.

Behold:

The crime rates among Irish emigrants in the UK have historically been low compared to other immigrant groups. Several factors contribute to this trend.
Factors Contributing to Low Crime Rates
1. Cultural Integration

    Irish emigrants often share cultural similarities with the local population, which can facilitate smoother integration.
    Strong community ties and support networks help maintain social norms and discourage criminal behavior.

2. Policing and Judicial Practices

    Historical policing strategies may have targeted Irish immigrants more heavily, leading to higher arrest rates without a corresponding increase in actual criminal activity.
    Research indicates that immigrants, including the Irish, were not systematically disadvantaged by the British court system despite higher rates of arrest.

3. Economic Opportunities

    Many Irish emigrants have found stable employment, reducing the economic motivations for crime.
    Access to jobs and social services can lead to better living conditions, which are associated with lower crime rates.

4. Public Perception and Media Influence

    The perception of Irish immigrants as law-abiding citizens has been reinforced over time, influencing both community behavior and law enforcement practices.
    Sensationalized media coverage often exaggerates crime rates among other immigrant groups, while the narrative around Irish emigrants has been more positive.

Conclusion

The combination of cultural integration, effective policing, economic opportunities, and public perception contributes to the low crime rates among Irish emigrants in the UK. These factors create an environment that discourages criminal behavior and promotes community cohesion.

If the UK government focused on letting the people be people, and forgetting the rest of the world, this topic wouldn't even be needed.

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the flag is just a flag. but when some people then use threatening language to suggest that bad things should happen to a group of people, that is when the person making threats should meet the repercussions of their actions.. but for them to then hide behind a flag or blame their arrest on a flag, just shows the person takes no responsibility for their actions of wanting to introduce harm on others
no one should be arrested for just displaying a flag. but if someone is making violent threats, then that should be handled as its own issue, unrelated to what they look like, wear or display.
displaying a flag should not even be a threshold of "suspicion" to trigger a approach/investigation. police should only approach people suspected or evidenced to have made violent threats

as for the politics, economics of some people frustrations. lets not use the flag as a symbol of displaying intent of violence/harm. lets instead use the pen.. use a pen to write to your local MP, to mark a ballot sheet, to sign a government petition for change..
let the flag symbolise our peaceful side and let the pen be our sword

wear the flag to display you want to show you are british, not that you want to be some racist assaulter

my view on immigration is this:
countries at war should have compensation provisions for victims of war, as the human rights laws suggest. whereby if someone escapes a country and seeks asylum elsewhere, the hosting country receiving evacuee's should be paid by the compensations of the victimising country

im pretty sure there probably is some kind of process like this happening which is why the UK government is so willfully happy to accept migrants, as it is possibly a good ££ earner for politicians.

our government should use our taxes to pay our own domestic citizens.. and then claim reimbursements for hosting, detaining, deporting or transporting visitors, migrants from their native countries governments. until an individual is made a UK citizen, they should still remain the responsibility of their native citizenship country to cover any costs incurred whilst their citizen is not in their native country

enturies to build.

I'm starting to feel that this philosophy should be applied to my personal life and attitudes. Unfortunately the rest of the world doesn't leave me alone. For example, the fuelling of electric vehicles with wood chips obtained from ancient forests, and the nut zero obsession with incredibly damaging and uneconomic wind farms contributed to me deciding to adopt the van life, At 83, I should be living in luxury, but there are too many problems associated with this, so I'm loving my freedom at the moment. How long it will last is difficult to anticipate. Our dishonest and stupid government is stealing about £1.5 billion of interest on Russian assets, and giving it to Ukraine. This is incomprehensible to me, as it has no benefit to the UK economy, or the people. Ultimately we will have to compensate Russia for this, and it destroys the trust in Britain, which took centuries to build. I understand that Putin is threatening to confiscate Crown assets in retaliation. It isn't as if the money will be used for the benefit of Ukraine, as most of it will no doubt be used to buy yachts and apartments for the illegal politicians controlling Ukraine.

I'm very happy you responded to being questioned about ethics with civil discussion and didn't expect that. The link provided clarifies your position a lot. I actually interpret this situation exactly the opposite as you do. I don't know if this alleged racist is violent or not. But, if a violence supporting racist were to send my organization money as a donation, I would then have an ethical imperative to keep the money rather than return it. Sending money to a violent racist is unethical, therefore returning a donation by a violent racist is unethical. And I see it that simply, there is no other line of reasoning involved here. And yes, there would be one yellow flag on the organization as a result, but nothing substantial. There is no number of yellow flags that are a true problem on their own unless they lead to a red flag.

I also don't think it is good to try to define a movement based on a single donation by an alleged racist. Did this person admit to being a racist, it doesn't say in the article? If a majority of the donations were by racists, then there would be a very good and important factor there, and maybe even evidence that tips in the favor of your point. But it isn't just about a majority vs. a minority, but also about the self-labeling of those people and the corresponding actions of those people. If a person of another race entered their group, would they be friendly to them? It is very important to levy a serious accusation on someone only with evidence. And yes, you did provide evidence of that, but it is only one piece of straw on a scale that requires a bale.

Here is a possibly contentious view, which may not reflect my own opinion.

Is it racist to want to preserve the customs and culture of your country of birth? It probably isn't. Is it racist to enter a country illegally, and seek to change the culture,  customs and religion of the country that has been invaded? It may well be racist. This implies that those seeking to preserve the integrity of their homeland are not the racists, but the illegal entrants could well be racists.

Since culture and race are almost entirely different only by coincidence of location, its just a logical fallacy to call someone who wants to change another person's culture racism. That said you're right, it may be to some degree a form of prejudice to go to another country and change their culture to one someone deems superior. So I think it would be fair to use the term prejudice but not racist.

It could be argued to be a form of racism that to assume because you're white (having English heritage), they say you don't diislike immigration because they are mostly non-white in your area. So, the people accusing you of racism are being racist, ironically.

The people who claim to value diversity are ironically getting homogenization of culture to some extent as people of various cultures mix in together and blend in over the long term, so I think that is your main point there. There is also the concept of xenophobia, but the fact you like a specific culture to exist and be preserved in no way makes you afraid of other cultures, so that is a logical fallacy as well.