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Title: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Pauldesaints on September 04, 2025, 11:13:27 AM
Curbing the high rate of moral decadence in the society.

For sometimes now,The high rate of moral decay in the society have been a burning issues.
A research conducted by experts shows it more prevalence sub-saharah region of Africa continents.
A particular school was visited and girls between the ages of 18years and above have contraceptives implantation to prevent pregnancies.about 20 girls from the same school was discovered to have implanted this contraceptives.

Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: franky1 on September 04, 2025, 11:34:32 AM
simply indoctrinating girls to give permission to have "the coil" implanted, is not really sex education. its simply pregnancy prevention, and in some regions of the world that mandate it, its population control
..
contraceptives dont stop sex. it stops pregnancy/spreading STI's..
and types of contraceptives may stop pregnancy but not stop STI's..

so sex education is different depending on what it educates, so it all depends on what the aim of the project is

if the aim of sex education is just training women about how to use or access contraception and reasons to use it, all it prevents is pregnancy, and sometimes STI's

however if the aim of sex education is the morals of sex, to teach women to wait for marriage or practice chastity or simply avoid one night stands, then yes it can change moral standards, and can reduce pregnancy, STI rate



Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Juicyhome on September 04, 2025, 01:12:58 PM
Curbing the high rate of moral decadence in the society.

For sometimes now,The high rate of moral decay in the society have been a burning issues.
A research conducted by experts shows it more prevalence sub-saharah region of Africa continents.
A particular school was visited and girls between the ages of 18years and above have contraceptives implantation to prevent pregnancies.about 20 girls from the same school was discovered to have implanted this contraceptives.

Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?

There are already Curriculum for sex education at the primary and secondary school levels, the awareness are increasing everyday both off and online. But like the parable, you can take a horse to the River but you can force the horse to drink water. It's easy to wake someone that's at sleep than a person pretending to sleep.

The young girls are already aware of the danger of early sex, but they do not care , they want to experience it by themselves. The Internet has also contributed to the high rate of sexual abuse among the teenagers. To eridicate early sex , the parents has a major role to play, they must stop buying phone and giving access to under age kids. Let them grow up and mature before you can give them a phone. That's the only way to reduce early sex among teenagers. Peers group is another problem, parents must monitor the kind of friends their kids keep.  We're living in a rotten world, and we must be guided by all means to safe guide our kids.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Roseline492 on September 04, 2025, 02:05:54 PM
There are already Curriculum for sex education at the primary and secondary school levels, the awareness are increasing everyday both off and online. But like the parable, you can take a horse to the River but you can force the horse to drink water. It's easy to wake someone that's at sleep than a person pretending to sleep.

The young girls are already aware of the danger of early sex, but they do not care , they want to experience it by themselves. The Internet has also contributed to the high rate of sexual abuse among the teenagers. To eridicate early sex , the parents has a major role to play, they must stop buying phone and giving access to under age kids. Let them grow up and mature before you can give them a phone. That's the only way to reduce early sex among teenagers. Peers group is another problem, parents must monitor the kind of friends their kids keep.  We're living in a rotten world, and we must be guided by all means to safe guide our kids.

Yes is something every school teaches there students at a very tender age so that they would have it on there mind that this what could happen if they neglect it, actually this sex education is something both teachers and parents teaches there children all the time so actually is no longer something that doesn't have an awareness but the thing is that someone who would listen will actually do and some will not even care about it because they think even if they made a mistake through that the world would always revolve around them as it was before then. Yes internet has influence many because when they began to see how some of there mate are doing on the media they began to put themselves on the place of the person and the next thing is emulating. We usually think that phones can prevent them but no because is controllable when you are seeing what they're doing than when they're hiding  to use another person phones, sometimes to understand their ways is to give them the necessary things and watch how they use it.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Accardo on September 04, 2025, 03:06:20 PM
Birth control implantation is always made available for girls above the age of puberty whose parents are begining to notice phishy behaviors between them and young boys or older men their age, to prevent premature pregnancy. They wouldn't want to face any form of misconduct in their family, and would prefer the implant made to help safeguard the girl child. I don't think any effect is to it health wise. But parents should do their best at educating the teenagers about STI and STDs, and talk to them about protection.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Marykeller on September 04, 2025, 03:08:52 PM
I have seen the video of the said secondary school girls that implanted contraceptives in their hands. This development came to people's notice when one of the girls was flogged by one of the teachers and blood was gushing from the back of the hand she had implanted the contraceptive. From there she was taken to the principal's office and was questioned about the contraceptive; she was the one who confessed that other girls in the secondary school had implanted the same contraceptives in their bodies.

However, it's quite unfortunate that our young girls are taking such an act at a young age to implant a contraceptive when their focus should be on their education, not on ways to avoid pregnancy and STDs.

I don't know how we get it all wrong. Because it's like this, the Gen Z generation is moving in the wrong direction due to the rise of social media and phone usage among the young. A child of 10 years old has an Android phone that they can make use of.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Hispo on September 04, 2025, 04:29:50 PM
As someone has already mentioned in this thread, sex educationnis not the same as pregnancy prevention. It is just part of the scope of what people need to know in order to have a healthy sexual life.
I am the kind of person who believe sex education is important, specially in developing countries, so one can curb the rate of poverty, by helping the young to focus on their own economical development, rather than having children before they have a career.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Frankolala on September 04, 2025, 05:18:38 PM
Schools teaches sex education but it's not enough for these teens who are copying everything they see that adults are doing. I believe that the parent especially, the mother of the girl should be in the right position to educate her daughter on sex and its consequences. Just like what the posters above said, contraceptives is to prevent unwanted pregnancy and not to prevent sex. Which means that sex cannot be prevented by these teens but you can limit the number of girls in this practice.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Helena Yu on September 05, 2025, 04:49:51 AM
Many schools have taught sex education to their students and they don't force girls to use contraceptives implantation, but unfortunately it's not effective because there are still many cases free sex happen everywhere.

Sex is really a hard thing to solve because many girls actually don't mind to have sex as long as they get money or make their career smoother.

Every sectors must working together like hotels who want to accept a couple to book a room with marriage certificate as the evidence.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Accardo on September 05, 2025, 06:31:59 AM
Every sectors must working together like hotels who want to accept a couple to book a room with marriage certificate as the evidence.
Funny, everyone is in business, this will hurt hotels in a tough way, managements wouldn't want to do that, multiple cons are attached to a policy like that. People wouldn't be moving around with a marriage certificate on every single trip they embark on to a new city.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: franky1 on September 05, 2025, 06:37:35 AM
Many schools have taught sex education to their students and they don't force girls to use contraceptives implantation, but unfortunately it's not effective because there are still many cases free sex happen everywhere.

Sex is really a hard thing to solve because many girls actually don't mind to have sex as long as they get money or make their career smoother.

you may not know this, but it takes 2 people to have sex..
guys can have contraceptives too(condoms), and guys can also choose to stop peer pressuring girls into having sex.. this can be achieved via sex education for guys to be responsible. also guys need to learn the word 'no'



Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Helena Yu on September 05, 2025, 07:31:56 AM
Funny, everyone is in business, this will hurt hotels in a tough way, managements wouldn't want to do that, multiple cons are attached to a policy like that. People wouldn't be moving around with a marriage certificate on every single trip they embark on to a new city.
Who said a unmarried couple can't book a hotel? they can still book, but make sure they book two rooms, they will sleep in different room.

you may not know this, but it takes 2 people to have sex..
guys can have contraceptives too(condoms), and guys can also choose to stop peer pressuring girls into having sex.. this can be achieved via sex education for guys to be responsible. also guys need to learn the word 'no'
I agree and girls need to learn how to dress properly instead of wear a tight cloth and pants that intentionally have a purpose to make guys see them more sexually. Sometimes many girls are shy but they actually want it, that's why we see men pressuring girls into having sex.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Akbarkoe on September 05, 2025, 09:24:29 AM
Every sectors must working together like hotels who want to accept a couple to book a room with marriage certificate as the evidence.
Funny, everyone is in business, this will hurt hotels in a tough way, managements wouldn't want to do that, multiple cons are attached to a policy like that. People wouldn't be moving around with a marriage certificate on every single trip they embark on to a new city.
Of course, it would be very unusual to do so. Carrying a marriage certificate wherever we go with our partner is one of those unusual things. This is not about loss or gain for those who are legally married, but rather laziness.

And if this were enforced, the hotel industry would also suffer losses because there are quite a few prostitutes who book rooms in hotels to receive their clients, especially in big cities.
What needs to be done is moral education in the country itself, which needs to be cultivated from childhood to adulthood to help people take good care of themselves, and to raise the standard of virginity, which is very valuable.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: AVE5 on September 05, 2025, 11:23:34 AM
A research conducted by experts shows it more prevalence sub-saharah region of Africa continents.
A particular school was visited and girls between the ages of 18years and above have contraceptives implantation to prevent pregnancies.about 20 girls from the same school was discovered to have implanted this contraceptives.

That's a medical prescription for those who want to prevent getting pregnant, most celebrities uses it too. As for the recommendation, I don't really find it immoral because preventing unnecessary pregnancies is better than engaging on pregnancy abortions but the fear is the side effects because it's a system where medically it deprives the woman's reproductory organs from ovulating to conceive (pregnant).
This can be infectious to the body system and as well potential to cause fertility damages to ovaries.
I believe this act is mostly exhibited by the sex workers and looking out to the rate of corruptions in the high schools and institutions, women has engaged more on sexual activities while in school where they've distanced from parents and guardians.


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Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?

Biology is of course a course of studies that teaches about reproductions and also health education that're relatively to reproduction and healthiness.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Accardo on September 05, 2025, 12:00:36 PM
What needs to be done is moral education in the country itself, which needs to be cultivated from childhood to adulthood to help people take good care of themselves, and to raise the standard of virginity, which is very valuable.
In societies across the world the rate of venereal diseases in young teens have tripled in the last 30 years, about 33,000 cases each day (https://www.childrensnational.org/get-care/health-library/sexually-transmitted-infections). And the birthrate amidst young girls 12 to 15 years have also doubled. The term 'babies having babies' was labeled to this development. Parents have the most work to do about this, leaving kids in unhealthy day care environments with poor staff treatments, close to negligence affects the emotional growth of children. And when they grow up to the age of puberty they'll go for any form of care from any person of the opposite sex just to feel loved. Which expose them to premature pregnancy.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Juse14 on September 05, 2025, 01:52:32 PM
Sex education should be introduced to children as early as possible. Why? So that when children grow up and become acquainted with the opposite sex, they can avoid inappropriate interactions. Sex education is very carefully and crucially delivered to children, families, and even neighbors, to introduce them to things like which parts of the human body are more private and which parts are permissible for others to touch. Therefore, when conveying it, care must be taken to ensure that what is conveyed becomes a foundation for understanding and a foundation for support when children are outside the reach of parents and adults. However, if parents or even family members at home don't yet understand this sex education, then schools are the hope for delivering this sex education to children. Introducing sex education and installing contraceptives to schoolgirls seems unwise. If trying to prevent pregnancy is to instill in women the importance of maintaining their privacy, and convey the severity of the consequences so that unwanted events can be prevented as best as possible.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: franky1 on September 05, 2025, 02:39:49 PM
you may not know this, but it takes 2 people to have sex..
guys can have contraceptives too(condoms), and guys can also choose to stop peer pressuring girls into having sex.. this can be achieved via sex education for guys to be responsible. also guys need to learn the word 'no'
I agree and girls need to learn how to dress properly instead of wear a tight cloth and pants that intentionally have a purpose to make guys see them more sexually. Sometimes many girls are shy but they actually want it, that's why we see men pressuring girls into having sex.

guys can be shirtless wearing only shorts in summer. i guess they must be male sluts too.. or they might just simply want to enjoy summer without having to dress for winter..
let me guess you want women to wear burka's and hijabs on the beach because bikinis are in your view a sign of wanting to be a free prostitute

this again is where sex education comes in.. teaching guys that they need to control themselves and not just pounce on a girl simply for what she is wearing
remember, no means no

if a guy instantly wants to grab a girl and have sex with her simply for seeing a female stranger walk down the street not fully covered.. then the guy needs more education, not just in sex education but social studies(how to actually approach and get to know someone before wanting to have sex with them)

wearing a skirt or a strapless top does not mean by default she wants sex down a dark alley with someone she just met

im a straight male, but i have brains and respect, even when i am frank with people, so lets run a scenario:
i wonder how you would feel as a straight guy if you just wanted to enjoy the sun, but then had dozens of gay men want to grab your ass because you chose to wear shorts because its summer..
would you now want others to respect you when you say no, or think they have the right to grab your ass and its your fault you wore shorts.
what if its summer so you wore open toed sandals/flip-flops.. should it be your fault if someone with a foot fetish just grabs you hold un announced and demands to suck your toes and licks your feet even if you said no?
 will you start to want to dress like a inuit/eskimo, wearing 3 layers just to prevent gay men touching you. or would you want all men straight or gay to have effective sex/social education to learn how to respectfully interact and get to know each other



Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Hispo on September 05, 2025, 04:09:31 PM
Sex education should be introduced to children as early as possible. Why? So that when children grow up and become acquainted with the opposite sex, they can avoid inappropriate interactions. Sex education is very carefully and crucially delivered to children, families, and even neighbors, to introduce them to things like which parts of the human body are more private and which parts are permissible for others to touch. Therefore, when conveying it, care must be taken to ensure that what is conveyed becomes a foundation for understanding and a foundation for support when children are outside the reach of parents and adults. However, if parents or even family members at home don't yet understand this sex education, then schools are the hope for delivering this sex education to children. Introducing sex education and installing contraceptives to schoolgirls seems unwise. If trying to prevent pregnancy is to instill in women the importance of maintaining their privacy, and convey the severity of the consequences so that unwanted events can be prevented as best as possible.

The problem with your approach is how many conservative families believe it is better not to talk about sex with their children, believing that ignorance and told them to avoid sex it is better than having an actual talk about pregnancy and the importance of preservatives, methods to control reproduction and how to avoid sexually transmitted diseases.
This is an important debate in school of the United States, specially those which are funded by public money, about half of the country believe sex education should be taught on highschool, while the other half believe it is not proper to give such education to teens and pre-teenagers.

Paradoxically, the lack of knowledge only increases the possibility of teen getting pregnant.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Zoomic on September 05, 2025, 04:47:08 PM
simply indoctrinating girls to give permission to have "the coil" implanted, is not really sex education. its simply pregnancy prevention, and in some regions of the world that mandate it, its population control
..
contraceptives dont stop sex. it stops pregnancy/spreading STI's..
and types of contraceptives may stop pregnancy but not stop STI's..

so sex education is different depending on what it educates, so it all depends on what the aim of the project is

if the aim of sex education is just training women about how to use or access contraception and reasons to use it, all it prevents is pregnancy, and sometimes STI's

however if the aim of sex education is the morals of sex, to teach women to wait for marriage or practice chastity or simply avoid one night stands, then yes it can change moral standards, and can reduce pregnancy, STI rate


I was also trying to under the Op's idea of sex education. Whether it is to make the contraceptives implant mandatory for all young girls or so. This is because the example given above does not add up to the idea I thought Op wanted to convene.
According to franky1, if what Op described above is the idea behind his perceived sex education, it is not sex education. It is simply, pregnancy preventive education.
From the other angle, sex education shouldn't be teaching only abstinence from sex or all about morality. It should be neutral and unbiased, educating the children in a balanced way that will enable them make the right decisions. Some extreme sex orientation makes children develop phobia for sex, which in turn affect their adulthood sex life.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Lida93 on September 05, 2025, 05:34:02 PM
I was also trying to under the Op's idea of sex education. Whether it is to make the contraceptives implant mandatory for all young girls or so. This is because the example given above does not add up to the idea I thought Op wanted to convene.
Giving sex education to school children is not by implanting contraceptive and am not sure that's what the op is conveying but rather the op makes an instance of school where most of the girls have contraceptive implantation to prevent pregnancy. In my understanding of the OP it's about how rather sex education would be the right  knowledge to give to the girls that would not only prevent pregnancy but would make them have a good understanding of the dangers of unprotected sex that not even contraceptive can prevent it contraction.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Dunamisx on September 05, 2025, 06:51:49 PM
Curbing the high rate of moral decadence in the society.

For sometimes now,The high rate of moral decay in the society have been a burning issues.
A research conducted by experts shows it more prevalence sub-saharah region of Africa continents.
A particular school was visited and girls between the ages of 18years and above have contraceptives implantation to prevent pregnancies.about 20 girls from the same school was discovered to have implanted this contraceptives.

Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?


Sex education is important and the more we allow these children especially the teenagers to be exposed to the reality in all these the better for them being helped and saved from any assault of sexual act, also, not only in school should this be taught, parents also have their responsibility to do the needful at home with their children by enlightening them on the necessary things needed of them to do or know about sex, lastly, i will go by saying this, we should also be mindful of the kind of environment we live in, such must be the type that is more adaptive for preferred kind of lifestyle we want for them


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Odusko on September 05, 2025, 11:44:20 PM
This girls must be smart to have known the preventive measures for unwanted pregnancies that have limited alot of their forks in the, this make them to act in a way to prevent getting pregnant from their sex activities, what you should know now is that, most of those girls are the one that are now catering for both themselves and even their parents so alot of them are into prostitution from young age till that early adulthood, parents have more lessons to teach their kids especially the females to avoid early sex.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: franky1 on September 08, 2025, 09:49:04 AM
im a guy, but i must say:

This girls must be smart to have known the preventive measures for unwanted pregnancies that have limited alot of their forks in the, this make them to act in a way to prevent getting pregnant from their sex activities,
guys should take responsibility too, at this moment however many guys think they can go bare-back and unprotected, and if they get someone pregnant they can demand an abortion or simply call the girls a slut, pretend he is not the dad and just walk away.. again guys need to learn respect and person responsibility as part of sex education

what you should know now is that, most of those girls are the one that are now catering for both themselves and even their parents so alot of them are into prostitution from young age till that early adulthood, parents have more lessons to teach their kids especially the females to avoid early sex.

it seems your personal experience of women is limited to that of the sex industry. i can understand that if 90% of females you observe are in the sex industry, but please put down the porn and get to know other females. your view of "alot of them" seems based on your limited source of access to observe women

if you dont want to put the porn down. atleast reach the end of the video to see the credits and read that the majority of people in the sex industry are male.
1 female actress vs 1 male actor, male cameraman, male producer, male director, male editor.. where by the men also have responsibility to feed their family by getting income from the porn industry
oh and instead of reading old playboy magazines, watch the movie "magic mike" and its sequel.. watch the Chippendales. the giggalo and even your porn movies to see men are in the porn industry too

and if the majority of your own sex education came from porn. then we(men) definitely need better sex education in school, to avoid learning bad habits from porn

genuine question to ask yourself to analyse how you perceive women and have ended up treating women:
how many hours of sex education school curriculum have you gone through when younger.
 i bet its only about a couple hours per year at middle-high(secondary) school, so ~14 hours max
how many hours of porn have you watched.. work out the ratio of which has affected your perceptions and interactions with women more


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: Y3shot on September 08, 2025, 01:59:20 PM
If this can be considered as sex education given to students in school, then I would say we are going too far from what the main sex education is supposed to be. For me, I think the main sex education that is supposed to be given to the girl child is to create awareness of the sexual parts of the body and not to give anyone the chance to abuse these sexual parts. But if schools go to the extent of introducing contraceptives to students to control childbirth, it is not bad, because the reason might just be for the government to be able to manage the population.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: coin-investor on September 08, 2025, 02:48:35 PM

Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?


Based on a WHO and UNESCO study, a comprehensive sex education reduces unwanted pregnancies, delays sexual initiation, and reduces the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases. There may be resistance from other sectors due to religious and cultural beliefs, but it’s something we should have in our school.
We are living in a liberal society because of social media, and sex education is the answer to the many bad effects of free sex



Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: El_Tammy on September 08, 2025, 03:50:45 PM
Curbing the high rate of moral decadence in the society.

For sometimes now,The high rate of moral decay in the society have been a burning issues.
A research conducted by experts shows it more prevalence sub-saharah region of Africa continents.
A particular school was visited and girls between the ages of 18years and above have contraceptives implantation to prevent pregnancies.about 20 girls from the same school was discovered to have implanted this contraceptives.

Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?


The concept sex education isn't basically just about contraceptives and how to prevent pregnancies and distribution of condoms.

It's majorly to enlighten people how and what sex is. It's nature, effect and how it even occurs in some instances. So to me, sex education will curb out these acts because it even teaches the advantages and disadvantages of these contraceptives because I believe some persons don't even know that contraceptives have their own disadvantages.

Sex education is good, and yes it will help relinquish this menace as you put it.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: mich on September 09, 2025, 05:38:59 AM
Well I do think and believe sex educational classes should be taught as early as the fifth grade. The more you educate young students you can make them aware about the dangers of contracting a sexual transmitted disease.

We would also be able to reduce the percentage of unprotected sex for teen pregnancies. Not only will it have a big impact on school campuses. But as well at home because parents will have to do their part on their end.


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: franky1 on September 09, 2025, 06:56:55 AM
Well I do think and believe sex educational classes should be taught as early as the fifth grade. The more you educate young students you can make them aware about the dangers of contracting a sexual transmitted disease.

at 5th grade it should not be talks of how to have sex, like "sex is when a man inserts his genitals inside a womans genitals, and when they do it, it feels good and is natural" as that just entices people to be more curious and want to experiment/try it

its the same as telling a 5th grader who never knew before about how everyone enjoys nike shoes and pokemon cards. suddenly that kid wants them too

..

at 5th grade it should be more about preparing for the biological changes of puberty, how hormones are going to affect their feelings, emotions and how they may react in situations, how they may perceive and see the opposite gender, and how hormones can overwhelm their decision making process.. where they need to learn to think before they act and learn to respect each other. whereby its not just about sex but also about handling the rebellious teen stages of acting out and going against good life choices, teaching them about relationships, respect and consent

then introducing more detail as time goes on.. basically an actual planned curriculum suitable for the age group. and not "thrusting" the word sex into them


Title: Re: Sex education in schools.
Post by: RealNoblee on September 09, 2025, 09:24:01 AM
Curbing the high rate of moral decadence in the society.

For sometimes now,The high rate of moral decay in the society have been a burning issues.
A research conducted by experts shows it more prevalence sub-saharah region of Africa continents.
A particular school was visited and girls between the ages of 18years and above have contraceptives implantation to prevent pregnancies.about 20 girls from the same school was discovered to have implanted this contraceptives.

Do you think introduction of sex education in schools will eradicate these menace?


Sex education is important and the more we allow these children especially the teenagers to be exposed to the reality in all these the better for them being helped and saved from any assault of sexual act, also, not only in school should this be taught, parents also have their responsibility to do the needful at home with their children by enlightening them on the necessary things needed of them to do or know about sex, lastly, i will go by saying this, we should also be mindful of the kind of environment we live in, such must be the type that is more adaptive for preferred kind of lifestyle we want for them


Obviously yes, parents should be up and doing in educating their children when it comes to sex. But you will agreed with me that most parents who are fathers and mothers of this children lack morals and chastity and do not have the moral justification knowledge to give this children sex education.

The world with the so called new age and civilization has so much introduced lifestyles through social media, churches, schools that feeds lust for power, lust for things. So both parents who should educate are not left out.