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Upcoming times like this crypto is only true safe heaven.
Forget about gold when rockets will attack your house you aint gona have time to take your gold stacks when you not federal reserve or some big instution or bank or goverment then large gold is not your thing !

Fiat currencies about collapse now rumours that UK £ will be first one because UK is out of the markets nobody don't need £ no Wonder why elite allowing Putin to attack UK London.

Thanks to crypto London and NYC important as financial cities not needed.

Whole economy will run on crypto and you can't shoot or destroy crypto while yes bank buildings can get hit with Rockets

Also upconing limited or tactical nuclear war crypto is only things what can hold your wealth safest way.

All your Investments in physical things like real things cars house or other can be destroyed.

Things are easy those who don't have crypto they will just taking the risk to be poor without money and assets.

In fact, if war breaks out, these highly volatile assets are far worse than you might expect. We're not even talking about assets, but about survival. What's being used is tangible goods that you can easily use or exchange.

Have you forgotten how the initial incident, when Russia invaded Ukraine, caused the crypto market to worsen, not improve. Everyone was afraid and moved to places they considered safe. So don't misunderstand, because if that rocket killed your internet power or your technological facilities, it would be a different story.

Until there is internet and Electricity atleast somewhere in the world you have wealth.
If Europe in chaos the servers and computers still good in far away like australia.

And what about volatility or Market crash ? That's not the problem use usdc and usdt and your wealth stable, even better when world in full chaos dollar and usd stablecoins purache power will increase.

Because when markets crashing and debt bomb ticking all the world debt has to be paid by dollars it will create dollar shortages
And dollar and stablecoins value increased and eur gbp and others ones falling big against dollar.

No Wonder why they don't have UK £ stablecoins like USA have usdc and usdt because they know UK will collapse anyways

Bitcoin was below $25,000 when Putin declared the start of the war against Ukraine, but bitcoin is above $100,000 now in price. This makes me not to understand what you mean.

Bitcoin fell when the war began in Ukraine but it took less than 24 hours before bitcoin increased back and get above the price it was falling from.

That's possible, but we must consider a clearly verifiable answer. In practice, it's not as easy as you say. Regarding stablecoins, we see the world from many angles. The dollar also poses major threats, such as hyperinflation. This could be a factor in considering stablecoins as collateral. At times like these, gold becomes highly sought after, as FIAT is easily printed and manipulated.

I hope you can see multiple angles and perspectives to understand the global context when discussing this.

During wars, since bitcoin is not associated or connected to any state or government then you can be a bit more relaxed that your coins will not be touched by anything or anyone. You might not be able to access bitcoin at the time of a war breaking out but once everything is back to normal, you can still see your bitcoin secure and safe. That is a difference compared to if you just put your money on a bank or something. The bank might not be able to give you back the money you lost. 

Most cars aren't investments but liabilities. And if the houses can be destroyed, the land where it is standing is where the actual investment growth is happening. So, there's still some money and profit that you can get from the actual land even there is no house anymore not unless, it's totally exploded and eroded.

Well, not all. There are still the traditional people that can still do well even without crypto like Warren Buffett.

We have a slogan about Bitcoin, 'Be your own bank.' It means when I am my own bank, then someone else can't destroy it unless I lose my seed. But to be your own bank, there are a few terms, definitely. Holding on to custodial wallets or on exchange doesn't make you your own bank. However, I understand what you want to say actually. Crypto can't be destroyed through physical attack or virtual attack if you just secure your seed phrase.

There is another benefit if you hold your Bitcoin. Besides being your own bank, your portfolio will increase in the meantime. If something happens like a nuclear attack, you will need to secure your seed phrase. Otherwise you might lose it as well.

Fiat currencies have been on the verge of collapse for a while now but I don't think we can predict when it is going to happen easily. For the time being there is no indication of collapse of any fiat currencies but we know that they are going to decline specially in Europe considering how US regime is pushing them into a proxy war with Russia as their original proxy (Ukraine) has been losing ground every day for the past 3 years despite full NATO support.

The numerous false flag operations by the US regime is a strong indication of war expanding in Europe which means their economy is going to go through a brand new crisis after enduring 3 years of extreme hardship and various crisis.

But despite that, I still say it is too soon to talk about collapse.

Yeah, it is too soon to talk about collapse. Centralized governments will keep running fiat currencies to the ground with bad policies, as they have been doing for a long time now (i.e. what Trump is doing with the U.S. economy), but we cannot start predicting its collapse. It does not even matter if fiat collapses or not, BTC is a safe haven asset, not at the level of gold, but it is. Its capped supply (scarcity), ever growing demand and decentralization makes it a great option for people or anyone who wants to save their funds from inflation caused by bad government policies.

All the internet in the world cannot shut down at once which means that bitcoin is safe from war. If the price dips, it will only be a temporary thing. Look back at history. If the world internet shuts down at once, it wouldn't affect only bitcoin but the  entire financial institutions world wide , airports and almost everything in the world will be stagnant.

Crypto-currency is not a safe heaven, as long as the financial sector is concerned there is no safe heaven. The fastest way to loose your funds is to drop you guard and just foolishly believe that Crypto-currency is your safe heaven.
Also crypto-currency is large, it includes Bitcoin and lots of other coins the level of unsafe investment increases as you move away from Bitcoin so to any newbie reading this you don't have sure profit when you invest In Crypto-currency you must have to do your own research and diligence.

Should I be surprised after Trump ask NATO to shoot down any Russian jet that enter their territory? No I'm not surprised because it is clear that the United States want Europe to go to war with Russia again so they can backout or act like they don't know what's happening. The same Trump that asked NATO to shoot down any Russia jet that enter their territory could not shoot down Russia jets that enter inside Alaska. This a signaling game Europe need to be cautious about.

Anything that makes NATO to go to war with Russia, that will be the end of Europe because Russia has everything in place to strike anywhere around the world. If China supports Russia, that will be the end of Europe and NATO at large. China has enough stockpile of modern ammunition that is sufficient enough to turn the world into ashes. I hope what NATO is looking for what will not come to them for a test of power.

I am so disappointed in the Ukrainian president because he was not wise enough to know that NATO is using his country as a place of ammunition testament. Any new ammunition they want to test, NATO will have to send it to Ukraine so that they can use it to fight Russia testing the capability of the ammunition. The Ukraine president needs to be wise and save his country from crumbling from the hands of Russia.

The US regime is trying to repeat the previous word wars that took place in Europe. They want the world to burn due to armed conflict while they stay far away intact whilst only selling them weapons to earn tremendous amount of money.
After both sides (East versus West) were exhausted and had their infrastructures were destroyed, the US regime hopes to only come in then and name themselves victorious and in the aftermath enjoy the spoils of war by controlling the carcass of what would be left of Europe or its other so called "allies" as well as dominance over the rest of the world that they call "enemy".
Pretty much repetition of WW2.

This is why over the past 5+ years I have been saying repeatedly that this strategy has to be neutralized.

• A peaceful way is for Europe (and others US regime tries to use as proxy like Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Australia, Arab dictatorships,...) to not fall of this and to NOT become a US regime proxy to fight others for them. This seems to have worked in East Asia and a to some extend in West Asia but not in Europe considering these days the European forces have already been mobilized and have been deployed in Eastern Europe already and have even invaded places like Moldova and are intervening there.
• So the other option is that in case of any kind of conflict the US soil has to be the first and main target. That is the only way the World War can be avoided in my opinion because US regime has to be reminded that the days of proxy wars are over and they will not be allowed to stay back unharmed while inciting wars.
• The third option is of course is if we see the US regime is overthrown by the people to avoid being bombed out of existence. Something like the result of WW3 aka The Cold War where "union" known as US is dissolved like USSR did. This is also a likely scenario as well considering the unrest that is growing in the USA and how we are witnessing the beginning of a revolution. I wrote a short comment on the 7th wave of American awakening here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5558508.msg65816485#msg65816485).

The problem with narrative is that bitcoin hasn't been tested for this situation. Right now we see that if there is any war news anywhere in the world (that has globally a big impact), we see people taking money out from stocks and bitcoin too. Bitcoin usually follow the stocks and haven't proved to be a safe heaven in these circumstances.

However I understand your logic as gold is different to carry but still people have more trust in Gold. I think with awareness the stocks and crypto will be decoupled and then we may see this narrative building that you are talking about.

In rocket, missile attacks to your house, I really can not believe that Bitcoin wallets can help you too much even they are portable wallets. It is more easily and conveniently to bring your Bitcoin wallets around but it does not mean you will be aware of rocket or missile attacks to your house for any excavation at all.

Like a tsunami in Japan, Beirut explosion in Syria, illegal immigrants deportations in the US, you less likely have enough time for doing anything and even can not save your life so Bitcoin wallets are not your main concern.

In such catastrophes, it is best to prioritize your life than anything else but it is always important to know how and practice your wallet backup well.

How to backup a seed phrase. (https://blog.lopp.net/how-to-back-up-a-seed-phrase/)

don't talk about wars as though they are simple thing just because you want to paint bitcoin as the best asset, if war breaks out and really affects you to a degree that your physical asset can be endangered, believe me that you will get frustrated to a point where the amount of bitcoin you are holding will not matter much to you compared to staying alive.

Crypto especially bitcoin is a safe haven and a good asset for investment but it worth is not defined only when you downgrade other asset to the point of wishing those holding it bad. when there is ever an international crisis, it hits almost all the asset be it those that are digital asset as well as those that are physical assets. war is a bad thing no one should wish for because when it comes, nothing else maters apart from thriving to stay alive.

What do you say is true, and the reality will definitely decline, even though you consider it while at least one year of war occurs, will you still hold your bitcoin? Things that are difficult to do to think of holding, especially large countries that have conflicts, your hands will be burned and continue to feel panic.

Just look at what happens in its history, only a few people talk to continue to buy, most people are scared and sell from buying when the world is in a chaotic state, after all stabilized again, people go back to Bitcoin, and that is a definite thing.

The market reacted negatively because the oil price went high due to supply disruptions. But the market recovered after some weeks. The internet is not accessible from one source; it is highly unlikely that there will be a global internet shutdown due to rockets.  

If you compare Bitcoin with other assets during wartime, it is clear that Bitcoin is far safer. See what is happening in Gaza and Ukraine. Buildings that cost millions to build a levelled down within seconds. But you can keep millions in a Bitcoin wallet, and all you need is just the seed phrase written on any safe material. And you can flee with it to a safer area, which is unlikely with others.  

The 7 waves of American you wrote about was like an eye opening to me and this shows that there will be switch of power soon.
The America we know before at the time of Lincoln is not what we are seeing now, corruption and lust for money had turned good people to money freaking generations. The quest to maintain power has become the order of the day but greeds of the politicians is becoming a catastrophy calling for unexpected turbulence. I hope these waves do not affect the innocent ones.

I hope people will not forget that their was great past empires that had ruled the world with large dominance but are no more in power.
The rotation of power is what had been going on since the ancient time till today. There was a time countries/States like British, Rome, Greece etc was excessively powerful with no rivalry but now, there influence had collapsed. If the United States is not smart enough to see the future and what is yet to come, the same thing could happens to the new generation. The world is not at peace like the way it used to be.

We are in the age of Decadence when there is heavy corruption, debt, disagreement, and heavy technology to prove dominance and many still don't know that we are in the end of time. Once we are done with this wave of time, we shall be heading to total destruction where the last war will commence that could destroy the whole world. Trump, and Putin need to talk to end this war. If the United States and NATO is not sponsoring the war in Ukraine, this delimma might have ended before now.

China is a fast rising action coming onboard that could take the position of the United States if the power dominance is not resolved.

Yea crypto can't be shot down or destroyed but a  safe or locked cabinet where the recovery sred phrase of our crypto hardware wallet can be hit with a rocket and we lose our keys, and what does losing your keys mean?!  So either way, wars are bad for us all.

Whole economy, both the very one you think would be running on crypto would be affected by the war. Just recall what happened to the crypto market in the few days intense war in the Middle East. War practically doesn't favour the crypto market as we might think because at periods of war like someone said, everyone is after survival .

Of course crypto currency I mean Bitcoin at large is the most important Asset to hold in place of war or dispute as it's indestructible provided you have your seedphrase and keys secured with you one can move around with their crypto investment without the fear for losing them. Though during war physical properties are mostly damaged because they are the only thing which their enemies could target to completely destroy them, so the only safe haven is digital currency.

Yes, you could definitely end up with a good return just if you could keep it memorized or something like that. We should realize that it's something that will not be gone and you can be in a whole different nation on a new pc and you can still open it. So, it is not easy but you can make it happen and you should make that happen.

It's really not a good thing at all but it can be done in a way we need to focus on how to get it made better, and can't really focus on this. Realize that crypto is a safe haven for sure, and it is the best asset as well and should be something that we all invest into and not only invest but also we should be using it a lot more widespread as well.

Let's not pray for war, it can be uglier than you're predicting. When war comes it affects virtually every asset performance whether physical or digital. You can grab your seed phrases and start running only to end up loosing it to criminals or even misplacing it. War doesn't help any assets perform better, when their is peace, investors can make more money and put them in assets and it continues to perform better, when people are on the run, they cannot make money and would only be selling their assets for survival. Although I would always agree that bitcoin is better than gold anytime any day, but for war I'm not in any way a fan of war.

Each country might have different status in regards to finance sector and even if one has no problem or only has a normal type of finance sector, inflation might still not be prevented. This is where we insert crypto as a safe haven. But no doubt that crypto still has its own type of risk. So care must still be there before one get started. Bitcoin is the safest crypto, so all starters are recommended to start here. Once they move away from Bitcoin, that can also mean that their knowledge have now increased and they are now ready for other risky kind of coins.

No one wants to lose money anyway. Some are confident about traditional money and thinks that others (crypto is too risky), so they just stay on their comfort zone but in reality, it is when they drop their guard is the one that can make their life much better.

The panic in this case is authentic despite the fact that the situation is overdone. You are correct that the seizure-resistance of Bitcoin is an important issue, and you only need to ask any escapee out of Venezuela or Lebanon that took on a brain wallet to get their fortune

Safe haven in nuclear war? Come on. At this level of the tactical nukes you are not concerned with the preservation of your assets, but with potable water. The grid goes down, your hardware wallet is a paperweight. No blockchain validation, no price discovery, no exit liquidity, means no internet

crypto's value is that it survives institutional collapse without needing apocalypse. Bitcoin never provided PEOPLE with a way out, like losing 44% of their value over a year, but Turkish lira did. That's the real use case. Not rockets destroying London, but slow-motion institutional failure where capital controls trap populations

The rumor of the £ collapse is racket but the feat behind the rumor (that legacy financial centers are becoming less monopolistic) to be investigated. Crypto does not displace London and NYC. It only implies that they are no longer the gatekeepers. Alternative threat model

It seems foolish to pray for war because we don't know how terrible it can be if there is a war. But I think that if there is a war, it can bring a ban on all digital assets. Yes, it is certainly true that if you invest in gold during a war, it will be difficult to save your life and how to save your investment is very enlightening. How to save your investment is a wise thing to do. I think if you invest in Bitcoin, it will give better results than gold. It is true.
If you pay attention, you will see that at any time gold can be stolen from you or someone can attack and snatch you, but Bitcoin can never be snatched from you and even if there is a war, I would say that investing in Bitcoin is better. However, although investing in Bitcoin during a war cannot take away your investment, it is still wise not to pray for war because if there is a war, you will have to face a terrible situation.

I, for one, believe that even if there's a war, as long as our Bitcoin and other crypto assets are in hardware wallets, that's what could really
Help us once the war is over, because we have potential crypto assets tucked away.

I am pretty sure the internet in our country will resume again, so that means we have assets reserved or stored. This is unlike the bank,
which really won't be able to give anything back to us.

If the basic thinking is like that, then we can sell on the threat of war or the first day of war (need to look at the country in conflict before we talk about influence), because at that time any market will experience fear and cause prices to drop very sharply, it has been proven several times, and when the war begins to subside or a ceasefire begins (another option after people get tired of reporting war) then you buy to get the Dip price in the market, isn't that much bigger profit when you have confidence that the market will recover and the internet will recover completely after this war is stopped?

I also dislike war because it can destroy beautiful places on earth, preventing everyone from enjoying their vacations to a country or a place with a beautiful view. Furthermore, economic pressure and business development will be severely disrupted by war, which is why it's hated by many, including investors of all kinds, because they will find it very difficult to make money in a non-peaceful environment. And as of today, all investors who are still holding Bitcoin seem to be smiling again when they see the new ATH in Bitcoin.

Yes, if in the future there is a currency collapse, war or government collapse, I think cryptocurrency can be an alternative and safe asset. Also, it is not controlled by any center or country. There is a possibility of gold or money being stolen or confiscated, this does not happen in the case of crypto, everyone owns their own property here. However, it is better to keep some money in cash instead of keeping all the money in crypto. Because if there is no electricity or internet, then crypto cannot be used. Also, if someone loses their password, they will not get their money back. So these things should be kept in mind. In this case, it would be best if someone keeps some crypto and some cash in hand, in which case they can survive any situation.

Oh hell no, you got it all wrong, if a bomb hit where you at now your mind won't be on your wallet, safety will be the first thing that will come to your mind, and let's say you have time to react and move, you can start looking for your wallet and the next bomb hits again, have you seen war or bomb strikes in real life? You will likely forget you own Bitcoin in a wallet.

Do you know how easy it is for recovery seed to go out in the smoke? Papers will get burned, iron can face the same fate too, even your recovery seed can get lost in a  destroyed home, where everything that once look so nice have shattered into shreds everywhere, the only thing that makes sense here is you having your recovery seed around your neck, it goes wherever you go.

Recovery seeds are physically kept, they can get destroyed just as those cars and houses, unless you take the with you all the time or you get a futuristic chip implant that has your recovery seed on them.

No one supports or expects war to happen my friend, but those things are beyond our control and as you can see. Geopolitical instability is getting worse and worse, meaning war can happen at any time and no one can warn us to prepare. So there is nothing wrong or redundant in having backup plans and solutions in place.

But what I wonder is, just because cryptocurrencies are more convenient and easier to use than physical assets like gold. Is that enough to make it a safe haven? Let's say if war happens, I don't think most people will go to bitcoin and see it as a safe haven. I guess they will still prioritize gold and cash.

Hardware wallet may not be the greatest when it comes to war. You are not going to think of your hardware wallet when there is a bomb destroying the building next to yours, you think of running away. While some may achieve that kind of calmness and get it, most won't. This is why I never understood hating on exchanges, because while I have been here for well over a decade and seen terrible "exit scam" exchanges, Binance never showed anything like that, or a custodian wallet could.

These are all online versions, like metamask for example, if your whole money is there, then you do not need to have a hardware with you, because you can go anywhere in the world and open it up there easily. That is why I prefer online over hardware.

Wide adoption would make crypto a safe haven, in a time like this cash is worth it, because that's what most people would accept, let's say an attack happened as Op gave an instance, the crypto would be safe, yet the owner is not Satoshi, he'd want to sell to settle bills and costs regarding evacuating and traveling to a new location. The coin has to be sold and converted to cash for easy payment. Because not all of the service providers would wish to be given crypto in times of danger like war and missile challenges. Crypto would be all great if the person won't bother selling. Although the price can aswell be affected in a tough economic market.

Absolutely right, it's tricky to predict when fiat currencies might collapse, especially when most people don't want to know about crypto, which they don't even intend to hear about talk more of using it.
That is why fiat will still be useful but challenges could trigger making it not to be useful at times. So collapsing isn't imminent, which people should be ready for whatever things that comes.

Gold and fiat money are also worthless during war because people cannot store them. If a gold holder hoards a lot of gold, if there is a war, that gold will have no value. His hard-earned money will lose value, but when held, Bitcoin will be safe in war or any other situation if the holder can properly store his keys. Bitcoin is the safest asset in terms of all types of financial security, including war, inflation.

We have to get ready for any potential thing that's about to come, whether it's something threatening, worrying or convincing.

Having no idea of what's come and with the global economic and we see the elites stacking up as much cash as they can.

There's something that they're cooking in there that they don't tell us the recipes. Regardless of that, I find BTC as a safe haven still.

It depends on your situation and where you are. If it's local and your country is experiencing inflation with a depreciating local currency, and the market is doing great, then Crypto is a good haven.

However, if it's a war involving many countries and affecting many, then Crypto cannot be considered a safe haven.
Do not put everything in crypto; learn to diversify. Diversification is always important in every scenario; there is no guarantee that everything will be ok with Cryptocurrency. We have seen it in many instances of crashes.

The difference is that gold will remain valuable and increase in value over time, especially during war. Gold is highly sought after wherever you go, and its price tends to rise during war. Countries still strongly believe gold is a safe haven asset, making it highly valuable and likely to continue to rise. Meanwhile, fiat currencies will dump their gold as long as it can be exchanged for gold at a low price. Bitcoin's volatility tends to decrease during war, making it the time to buy, not hold back losses.

(If we're talking about assets) it's not an urgent need in a war situation.

Thinking that cryptocurrencies are the safest haven is pure fantasy; it distances one from reality and can lead to many bad investments. There are many different cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin being the most prominent, and thinking this way will also lead you to distance yourself from Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the only safe haven among cryptocurrencies. The rest are just trash, just tokens  should not be financially attached to.

Only those that have been using Bitcoin and learning form what it offers will be able to tell more about it, how it applies to many areas of the financial economy system globally and for their personal uses, those that have given a try on Bitcoin will definitely enjoy its benefits of doubt for trying and they know what it serves them continually.

And those who don't yet understand and experience the benefits of owning Bitcoin must have the will and courage to buy Bitcoin. Because some who still don't believe in Bitcoin need to open their minds, think more wisely, and also ask more questions from those who have clearly experienced the benefits of owning Bitcoin. Now, world leaders have seen Bitcoin as an important asset and are happy to own it at this time. This can certainly be very good for the sustainability of Bitcoin as an asset that already has greater value in the eyes of many people today.

I think in times like this precious metals are actually the true safe haven assets. It is evident in the rush by so many countries to stock up on gold and they have not stopped buying. There is also silver, it may not have a large market like gold does, but the industrial demand keeps the price pumping, plus investors see it as a cheaper option to own a precious metal, because it is just $54 an ounce, while gold is $4,342 an ounce, hence they keep buying.

That said, this is not to advice that people stop accumulating bitcoin, because i for one have not stopped. Bitcoin is unique and even if the price falls, it is definitely going to pump again. But if we are talking about the season we are in right now around the world, precious metals are the true safe haven assets.

Bitcoin may be considered the safest place in the crypto world but unfortunately, it is still not a safe haven for us in an unstable economy. Just like what is happening now, as the trade war escalates, geopolitical instability also increases. While the demand for gold has spiked and pushed up the price of gold, the price of bitcoin has been quite volatile and even dumped a few days ago. How can it be said that it is a safe haven?

Bitcoin in particular and cryptocurrencies in general are just speculative assets, they are not safe havens and cannot protect us in times of crisis and economic recession.

It's becoming a trend that whenever Bitcoin price goes up we start hearing news like soon Bitcoin will be one million usd and when price goes down we hear opposite stories. In start of October, when Bitcoin touched it's ATH their were speculations that soon we will see 150k. Now as price of Bitcoin has gone down, their is complete FUD in the market.

Bitcoin price has gone down a bit and that's mainly because of tariff standoff between US/China and investment going towards gold. We have to keep this in mind that it's not the first time we are seeing this, it has happened many times in the past. Key take away is that Bitcoin price will recover in the long run, be patient and HODL your Bitcoins.     

I would say that difference doesn't matter because you do not have to buy a full ounce, which means if you have only 54 dollars, then you can buy 54 dollars of gold too, you do to not have to enter at one ounce at the start.

However, what we are seeing here is the fact that we are not really going to make that much money from neither gold nor silver if we invest that little. These are not investments that can give you x10 return or something, or if you want that, then you gotta wait for a decade or something. But if you really want to, it's safe and it's stable so you would not have a risk of losing all your money, that is at least something we can do for a while and shouldn't be worried about it and can get better.

If you want to be specific, please use Bitcoin and not crypto before some people reading the post will go and buy memecoin or some of those shitcoins thinking they are safe. Meanwhile, gold have proved you wrong somehow because it has performed even better than Bitcoin. Most of the deep pockets choose gold instead of Bitcoin, a little deviation from what most of us projected. So, based on present realities, we can say gold and Bitcoin are the safe haven.

Any asset is valuable as long as the asset is owned by the person. Gold or fiat currency has value as long as the person owns it. Since it is a physical asset, it needs a secret or safe haven to protect it. But during war, there is a possibility that that safe haven is lost. But Bitcoin does not require much space. Bitcoin is also very easy to carry from one place to another. So if all the money is in Bitcoin, the person's assets will be safe even during war. But instead of keeping all the money in Bitcoin, fiat currency is also needed to meet daily needs.

Are you judging based on the current downtrend on bitcoin price or the overall movement of the both assets? moreover, Gold is older than bitcoin which had shown heavy dominate in the market and had paid every price to be trusted by bigger investor from the beginning.

Although, there are many stock market assets that are actually safe haven today, microsoft, ETH, Silver and many others are actually Safe haven. 

precisely Bitcoin, op should take note the difference so you don’t mislead others. Bitcoin is considered the top safest asset when listing other assets. Well everyone with a different opinion, people also have something to say concerning bitcoin being unsafe for example people get scam and robbed from their wallet still they didn’t expect such yet it happened, I know for a fact bitcoin is safe compared to the listed asset mostly fiat system, fiat depreciates in value aside value a bank can get bankrupt at any time, one should be careful when choosing physical asset so they don’t get affected in times of war.

Crypto is truely a safe heaven from your explanation. We all know the important of having crypto or Bitcoin in our wallet over having physical Gold. Having physical Gold is like having bunch of physical asset with liability and nconveniences in it.a peson can decide or might have Gold in his reserved at large and lost them to natural disasters and May never be recovered by the crypto asset will be recovered with just having your seed phrase at hand. The evolution of cryptocurrency is very strong and not be taken for granted.

It would be somewhat accurate if you said Bitcoin instead of crypto. There are too many centralized coins and if you consider the crypto market as a whole you'd be mistaken. However, Bitcoin has become an asset that truly stands strong against everything. It no longer has its old volatility, but it still shouldn't be seen as equivalent to assets that have existed for thousands of years. It's still a new technology. While gold, which has existed for more than 5000 years, has a total value of $21 trillion, only 15-year-old Bitcoin is worth one-tenth of that. This data alone shows how rapid the development has been.

Let's compare the current state of Bitcoin vs. gold.

Gold
Currently, it's at a historic high due to massive purchases by central banks (particularly China, Russia, and India), geopolitical uncertainty, and expectations of a US interest rate cut. This reflects market fear and uncertainty, despite high liquidity, from physical assets to derivatives. Gold's only weakness is that it doesn't generate yield and is at risk of being overvalued if global inflation falls and interest rates rise again.

Bitcoin
It is still categorized as a risk-on safe haven, although labeled as an inflation hedge, it still follows short-term global liquidity flows. Despite its high liquidity on the exchange, extreme volatility and regulatory risks remain significant. Weaknesses include technical risks (custody, exchange hacks, regulation), and indications that it remains connected to the stock market.

Currently, Bitcoin remains an option against the monetary system, while gold serves as insurance against the monetary system. So, I'll hold gold if I'm worried about inflation, geopolitical conditions, or the weakening of fiat currencies. However, believing that economic digitalization is inevitable, I'll add the option of holding bitcoin. Depending on the primary objective, for security and stability of value, gold remains the preferred option. If the goal is growth and digital diversification, bitcoin is the choice.

If I could only choose one asset for the next 10 years, I'd set a target amount where I'm prepared to lose most of its value and accumulate it using DCA (since bitcoin is still on its way to becoming a true digital store of value, the potential reward still far outweighs the long-term risk if stored properly). Gold's stagnation and bitcoin's network effect are key considerations.

Honestly, it can be said that no asset is completely safe. Every investment or financial instrument has its own risks, and cryptocurrency is no exception. Especially when we look at what has happened recently, various bad news has come out that has destroyed the market in a short time. The trade war between the US and China destroyed the market in a day, giving a shock effect, especially to traders who had active positions in the market. They were hit by massive liquidations. For investors, this certainly tests their mental strength. I see that crypto is becoming easier to manipulate with bad news that appears suddenly.

Cryptocurrency can indeed be used as a store of value, protecting our money from inflation that rises every year, and even providing significant profits, but this will only happen if you have the mindset of an investor, not merely wanting to get rich quickly from trading in cryptocurrency. If you have that mindset, it's only a matter of time before you experience total ruin.   

In this era, we all know how important the internet is, and if it disappears, it will have a huge impact on us,
especially since cryptocurrency or Bitcoin only works because of the internet. It would be fine if we were sure that the internet wouldn't be
affected even if a war broke out.

However, what if the internet is affected worldwide? That would be a huge problem for all countries and especially for our crypto community that depends on the internet.
We also know that the majority of people now rely on the internet for many things and reasons.

Yes, right. People can still access assets that are stored as long-term investments and what I want to say is Bitcoin.
Apart from Bitcoin, I don't dare to say that other types of crypto are good even if they are stored well without being easily lost due to the chaos that occurs in a country, so as long as the person is still alive and of sound mind, he can still have the assets stored.
It's not about price, it's about hedging and Bitcoin at its best. As for crypto, I'm up in arms about that.

War sanctions, these bring down fiat currencies a lot. Even if my house is not hit by a rocket attack, if the assets are not destroyed, we will still be able to see how much purchasing power we have lost, that is, how much fiat currency has lost its value. In the last few years, the dollar has significantly lost its own value due to several wars, including the Russia-Ukraine war. Not only the dollar, but all fiat currencies worldwide have lost their value significantly. In that context, if we analyze the price of Bitcoin in the last few years, we will see that it was much safer and those who stored Bitcoin got higher returns than other things. Bitcoin is not only digital gold, it is much better than gold.

Even without armed conflict, trade wars or global financial crises, fiat money will still lose value over time because it is designed to lose value. Meanwhile, bitcoin is designed in the exact opposite way to fiat with a fixed, decentralized supply, so it often tends to move in the opposite direction to fiat, increasing in price over time.
But note that this is only true in the long run, not necessarily in the short run. Bitcoin can still be speculated and dumped, even losing 20%-50% in the short term. This does not happen with fiat.

But when comparing bitcoin and gold, both are good, and have their own pros and cons. Bitcoin is not better than gold in every way. As we are currently witnessing, gold prices have been steadily rising during the turbulence and those who invest in gold have not only been able to preserve the value of their assets but also made significant profits. Meanwhile, bitcoin was dumped and tended to decrease during the time of chaos.


So it cannot be said that bitcoin is better than gold in every way. Gold is the real and only safe haven, while bitcoin is not a safe haven yet.

Obviously, when there is such a big loss in the war and a lot of money is spent on it, they definitely do it because the country's economy needs to be improved and the money that has been spent needs to be recovered. This will require rocket fuel, which, if we look at the currency of any country, amounts to millions. Therefore, they can make some things expensive in their country by calculating everything, which they can use to maintain their warplanes and their systems. The power of these two countries is quite high and Russia always prepares for war generously, due to which the population in this country is also very large, so attention is also paid to its grains and other things. Bitcoin has been seen to weaken in every war, due to which this system and shortages continue to increase with the war between the two countries, so this becomes a loss for us.

Understand this. Bitcoin is not the solution to everything and if the economy or the institution is affected through countries attack we also have to worry about BTC performance because BTC is not excluded.
An example is the traffic war between President Trump and the Chinese President which affected every market.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble. Despite, BTC potential it's still not possible for the whole economy to run on crypto.


First, car shouldn't be consider an investment due to how easily loose value.
In a situation where there's nuclear war, crypto maybe safe but it is still not totally safe, and it will also be among the  settings that will be affected.

Do you notice that the war sanctions also influence the price of crypto?

That is literally how it was built, we are used to seeing it lose value and there won't be anything that will get any better. We should not cause this to be different, we are not going to get anything better with time. For this time of course it is not going to cause it to be a problem.

For us to continue to make this kind of money, there won't be any troubles for the time being. Focus on getting the best out of this so that you can actually do a fine job with investing into bitcoin. This way you can save it and do a fine job, it won't be an issue at all. Most people use bitcoin for this reason, they just end up with a lot better results, and we can't really get better than bitcoin, that's the best way to move forward with crypto at the moment.

Such considerations are indeed necessary because the real facts in the market are enough to explain why most people prefer long-term Bitcoin storage over other cryptocurrencies. Because when Bitcoin drops 3 to 4 percent in the market, other coins also experience the same thing, but by a larger percentage, sometimes even dropping by more than 20 percent. This happens because Bitcoin's foundation and support are always much stronger than other cryptocurrencies, which clearly don't have the strength to withstand price crashes in the market.

Yeah, people say bitcoin gonna lose value when war breaks out, but that is only temporarily usually bitcoin starts picking up later on.
Bitcoin's growth is still going up despite having to go through various war where the value plummeted temporarily but at the end of the day people know they need safe haven to help them retain their purchasing power and bitcoin is the answer.

Now with big players like institutional investors injecting their capital into bitcoin, I'm sure it will become more resilient price wise and have less volatility even if war breaks out.

There's logic and common sense in what you're saying. I agree with your opinion. I came to the same conclusion a few years ago. That's why I try to keep crypto on hand, just in case. Besides, it's easy to transport it across any border in unlimited quantities. No one will even know it exists. It won't show up in regular accounts, and financial regulators won't know anything about it. They can't even verify it. That's why I like this technology. It truly gives you freedom and scope.

When Bitcoin drops a little, many people think that the price of Bitcoin has dropped. But the reality is that the price of Bitcoin never drops because it is an asset reserved for the future. Those who are real Bitcoin owners never worry about the current price of Bitcoin. And they do not even compare Bitcoin with the price of fiat currency. They only focus on how much they have in their portfolio. Warfare has become a daily occurrence these days. One country is imposing additional tariffs on another country, as a result of which one country has to trade with another country to meet the demand for a particular item, perhaps they have to spend more money there, as a result of which the value of that country's fiat currency is falling drastically. In such a situation, those who have Bitcoin will be able to find a beautiful solution to that problem because no one has any influence on Bitcoin and no one can suppress its price if they want. I repeat, the price of Bitcoin will never decrease because it is a future-proof asset.

I disagree because you categorize crypto in general, but I like it when we're talking only about potential coins. But when it comes to safety, gold is also a safe investment. If you're buying just to hold, perhaps a slightly high price is fine as long as you can hold on until it reaches a higher price than you bought. In fact, war might cause a lot of destruction in the global economy or even in crypto, but gold prices tend to be more stable. So the question is, why do you say it's unsafe just because you can't afford to take out a large pile? Crypto is also quite speculative in these conditions, as we see quite a bit of energy-draining traffic as the market reacts in the opposite direction and even experiences corrections, as seen in the past few days.

The minimum duration is 2 years. I mean, since they have known Bitcoin for 2 years, they already know the answers and reasons why they should ignore all the misleading statements about Bitcoin.
In that time they have been able to stand firm in their stance on Bitcoin rather than anything else. Is not it?

Learning from the decline of 3 to 4 percent, even in October there was a decline of 7 percent which caused many complaints, so there is an important attitude to take, namely not to be a trader but choose to be a long-term holder. Holders will always be lucky without having to panic about declines.
Regarding other coins following Bitcoin, I agree because I have felt it.